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Leon
04-23-2006, 05:54 AM
Left-Wing Writers Against Olmert's Unilateral Withdrawal Plans
13:52 Apr 23, '06 / 25 Nisan 5766
by Hillel Fendel

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=102349

Journalists Yoel Marcus, a prominent dove and left-wing apologist, and Sever Plocker, pro-Disengagement commentator for Yediot Acharonot, are no longer sure they support Olmert's plan to quit Yesha.



Marcus wrote in Haaretz last week, "In light of the fact that the evacuation of Gush Katif put Hamas in office, increased the Kassams, and Israel is still in Gaza with artillery - and maybe soon with tanks - I suddenly doubt if the Ehud Olmert government will be able to evacuate 60 thousand settlers."

Dr. Aaron Lerner of IMRA noted that the article, which appeared only in the Hebrew edition of Haaretz, was written by a man who devoted the past years encouraging Ariel Sharon to retreat from the Gaza Strip.

A more detailed exposition against Olmert's unilateral convergence plan was penned by Sever Plocker, the Chief Economics Editor and Member of the Editorial Board of the daily Yediot Aharonot. Commenting in the past in favor of Ariel Sharon's disengagement plan, Plocker wrote that it was "a first step – and not a last step – ahead of a return to [Israel's] proper borders." Now, however, he feels that the lessons of the Disengagement indicate otherwise.

Plocker's article on Ynet last week was entitled, "Disengagement Lessons: Flawed Pullout Predictions Should Make Olmert Rethink His Plan." The article states:

"...Almost nothing has materialized in the way supporters of the Disengagement promised us would happen. The Gaza Strip did not calm down and the Palestinian Authority did not take matters there into its own hands in order to establish the Middle Eastern Hong Kong... Armed gangs rule the narrow, derelict refugee camp streets. The only manufacturing activity is the industry of flying iron tubes that are launched to short distances... The handing over of the border crossing with Egypt to Palestinian control also failed to lead to the expected results. The border is rather porous, checks are inadequate, and smuggling is rampant. There too, the Palestinians failed to implement their sovereignty... The Palestinian Authority did not use the months between Israel's withdrawal and the general elections in order to reinforce its hold among Gaza residents. It was busy with internal power struggles. The elections were decided in favor of Hamas... [E]ven the official Hamas has given up in the face of Gaza's collapse and left it to face its destiny.

"And Israel, even though it removed its army and settlements, and even though it closed down the crossings to the movement of goods, is still stuck with Gaza as if it was a huge bone in its throat. We didn't disengage: What is happening, and particularly what is not happening, in Gaza, continues to haunt us. The responsibly over it, in the eyes of the world and in some ways in our own view, has not been lifted from Israel...

"Did Israel gain from the disengagement? Less than what its planners hoped. The United States didn't grant us even one cent in economic aid, even though in various phases of preparation for the withdrawal and upon the pullout, much was said about a special $2 billion grant. As of today, there's no grant.

"For a short while, Israel enjoyed international sympathy, with the pullout perceived as the start of a large-scale unilateral withdrawal. Yet the sympathy is slowly evaporating, particularly following Ariel Sharon's illness. Ehud Olmert may discover that the attitude to a Sharon-made disengagement is very different than the world's approach to an Olmert-made one. The first one fascinated the world because it appeared to be a personal sea change by a hawkish leader tired of war. The second one, Olmert's pullout, would look like - and already looks like - as an act by a centrist politician whose party received about a quarter of the vote in the recent elections.

"...Would Israel really be able to unilaterally set its border vis-vis the Palestinians, a border they or the world would not accept? Would Israel be able to 'converge' into 'settlement blocs' in the West Bank and annex them? Who would finance such a move, which would cost tens of billions of shekels and not be perceived as a solution to anything? Who would prevent a tragic rift among the people? And what would be left behind in Palestine following a pretend-Israeli-withdrawal coupled with pretend-annexation? ..."

jeans_moha
04-23-2006, 03:53 PM
thanks

Leon
04-26-2006, 01:17 PM
Former Def.Min. Moshe Arens: "Northern Gaza Must be Recaptured"
17:17 Apr 25, '06 / 27 Nisan 5766
by Hillel Fendel


"I fear that the government is refraining from sending IDF troops into Gaza to stop the Kassam rockets because it doesn't want to admit its mistake in withdrawing from Gaza in the first place."



So said Prof. Moshe Arens today, speaking with Arutz-7's Uzi Baruch. Prof. Arens served as Defense Minister in four different Israeli governments and Foreign Minister in one.

Arens said that a military ground operation is necessary because the "IDF's artillery barrage on northern Gaza is totally futile, as the terrorists fire the rockets from densely populated areas while Israel shells empty areas."

"The security establishment must not forget," Arens exhorted, "that the Kassams being fired on Ashkelon are being fired from areas that were abandoned as part of the Disengagement. The army must therefore return and conquer these areas, and only in this way will we be able to stop the rockets from being fired at us."

Arens had tough words to say about the withdrawal and the uprooting of the Jews of Gush Katif and northern Shomron. "To forcibly uproot [nearly 9,000 Jews] from their homes, and to use the IDF to do it, was a barbaric act," he said.

On the day the Disengagement began last summer, Arens spoke on IsraelNationalRadio and called the disengagement a “self-inflicted wound” and “the biggest internal crisis that Israel has ever faced. It will leave some serious scars behind. It’s going to be very bad, and I’m sorry I can’t be more optimistic.”

Arens is supportive of the appointment of a non-general such as Labor Chairman Amir Peretz to the position of Defense Minister. "It's truly not good for a Defense Minister to be an army man," Arens said, "because then he comes with preconceptions that make it hard for him to work."

mbczion
04-26-2006, 02:00 PM
Let's do the math:

2 + 2 = 4

Let's do more math:

Before Withdraw from Gaza ------> Missiles falling in Sderot and Hamas NOT in power

After Withdraw from Gaza------> Missiles falling in Askelon and Hamas elected as Palestinians official representatives

I think the second math problem is easier to figure out if you ask me....

Leon
04-26-2006, 05:33 PM
All da more reason to give away more land and ethnically cleanse more Jews for the sake of "greater security" and "peace." Now I know why they call it "painful concessions."

Leon
04-26-2006, 05:35 PM
And its not just missiles falling into Ashekelon and Hamas in power. Think of the shock waves that this is sending over to Iraq where US troops are bogged down in fighting, not to mention Iran where the President concidentally (yes concidentally) made his "wipe out Israel speech" around the same time as the disengagement.

Its also brought Al-Qaeda in large numbers into the territories.

Leon
04-27-2006, 02:02 AM
Passover in the Holy Land

by Naomi Ragen (9 April 2006)
You know that Passover is coming when the Arab workers in the supermarket start cleaning up the crumbs from the bread aisle, and marking the shelves "Hametz." You can see the special matzo lining the shelves: Organic whole wheat, wheat bran, egg, chocolate-covered.


People take this holiday very seriously here in Israel. Everyone is buying gifts for their Seder evening hosts. Or they are stocking up on food for the groups that will descend on them to be hosted.


And although forty rockets were fired from Gaza (gee, that unilateral pull-out was such a brilliant move, saving so many lives...) people don't seem worried, or even vaguely concerned, except of course, if you were one of the workers in that mattress factory in Ashkelon which took a direct hit, sending at least one person to the hospital. As our friends in Reuters wrote: "The makeshift rockets fall harmlessly into Israel." Thanks, Reuters for putting all our fears into perspective! I hope one of your reporters doesn't happen to be standing in a spot where that amateurish little bomb falls, because despite the lack of professionalism, he might actually find himself unprofessionally beheaded! But hey, that's unlikely.

Reuters doesn't usually send its reporters to places where they are likely to actually witness any news first-hand. They have their "sources" in "Palestine" call them on their cell-phones. I say this all allegedly, of course. Don't believe me if you don't want to.


This morning I heard the sound of jets roar overhead - a sure sign that the nation is in defensive-mode. I read that air strikes had targeted terrorists returning from "training camp for freedom fighters" in Gaza, with their "Everything you need to know about firing missiles at civilians" manual.

A few were killed, along with the child or children of a "freedom fighter" who brought along the tots to participate in the fun and games. What a lovely parent!

My son got a week off from the army, and now he has to go back. He doesn't know if they'll let him out for the Seder. Given the security situation, and the fact that his unit will no doubt be on full-alert, I doubt it. I'll miss him. He's still my baby, whatever his commanding officer thinks.

I guess I'll have to ask the Four Questions, as I'll be the youngest.


I have a few more than four to ask, though. As I was cleaning for Passover, I came across an unopened envelope that I guess I set aside until after the elections. It was from the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs (jcpa@netvision.net.il). It was called: "Defensible Borders, A Fundamental Necessity for Israeli Security." Only in Israel would one need to actually research such an obvious statement. In it, I learned a few things I didn't know.

A Kassam II rocket has a range of 6-7 kilometers. A Katyusha has a range of 22 kilometers. This means, that if

Ehud Olmert and his merry band of losers have their way, and Israel pulls back to the '67 borders, rockets from Hebron will be able to hit Beersheba and Kiryat Gat; rockets from Bethlehem will be able to hit Jerusalem; rockets from Bodrus will be in range of Ben Gurion Airport. Rockets from Rantis can hit Tel Aviv. Rockets from Kalkilya can hit Kfar Saba; rockets from Tulkarem can hit Netanya; rockets from Jenin can hit Afula and Nazareth. By the way, there are.04 kilometers separating Jerusalem from Bethlehem, and .07 kilometers separating Kalkilya (home of the Hamas terrorist who blew up the Park Hotel in Netanya on Seder night) from Kfar Saba.


As General John Foss, former commander of the 82nd airborne division of the U.S. Armed Forces once said: "As a military man I have to say that the '67 borders are not defensible in the long term. The State of Israel absolutely cannot exist within these borders."


But who cares? Israel's leaders are on their merry way, led by people who wrote books like: The New Middle East, just before the entire world was engulfed by the primitive barbarism of the old Middle East. They were just re-elected by the Israeli public to serve yet another term in office after their brilliant success in their last term.


And the average person, like me, who isn't an idiot, who packs off her son in his uniform knowing all that I know, and having no way to influence events except to type away and publish the facts, alerting those few who actually give a damn what is really going on here, how do we go on?


We go on because we remember who we are, and the precarious state of our people and our nation that has survived and triumphed so many times over innumerable odds in the past.

We go on because we remember that in the blink of an eye, we can have salvation come our way, not through the normal channels, because if that were true, we'd have been extinct a few thousand years ago. We go on, because we need to make a Seder this Wednesday night, and our sons and daughters and grandchildren will be joining us. And if we're lucky, our soldier sons as well. We will drink our wine, and dip our herbs in the salty water of tears, remembering how we called out to our God in Egypt and how He brought down the plagues on the houses of our enemies, and brought us to the Promised Land. And even though we went through the desert kicking and screaming - we didn't like the food (we want meat, not manna! Oh, those watermelons we ate in Egypt!), building a Golden Calf, and challenging our wonderful leader, Moses, still God kept His promise. Willy, nilly, He brought us home.


And when I say: "Next Year in Jerusalem," unlike most Jews in the world, I will know that I am already there, and that it is a dream come true. I hope that your "Next Year in Jerusalem" will also be a dream that comes true, and that next year we will truly be free of fear, and want, and stupidity.


God Bless you all, and a happy holiday.