Second Holocaust from Iran?

[Illuminatus]

The Iranian parliament just passed a law that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

I find this development very disturbing -- perhaps I misread the article and it's really a sick joke of some kind.

The National Post (Canada) "Iran eyes badges for Jews" (http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=11fbf4a8-282a-4d18-954f-546709b1240f)

The non-observance of these rules could entail a severe beating by the Mullah police...or worst.

quoting NP:

[.. Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews would have to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth. ..]

?

[CoinToss]

I knew there is currently a recencement of BAHAIs in Iran.
BAHAIs is are peaceful people, and they feel really endangered there.

[CoinToss]

here is a second joke, jewish schools in Iran:
"While there are Jewish schools, the principals and most of the teachers are Muslim, the Bible is taught in Farsi, not in Hebrew, and the schools are forced to open on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath," Amir said, as he played Hebrew music for his listeners.
http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=684952006

[KettleWhistle]

The Iranian parliament just passed a law that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.
The article mentions that Simon Wiesenthal officials wrote a letter of complaint to the U.N., but the Wiesenthal center web site has no mention of it.

[Womble]

The Wiesenthal center website seems to not have been updated today yet. Let's wait and see. In the meanwhile, however, the fact that the law was passes is confirmed by IRNA, Iran's official news agency.

Majlis passes bill setting out new dress requirement (http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-235/0605158004121559.htm).

[genghis_tom]

I don't know why Iran is doing what it is doing. Holocaust denial, now almost holocaust revival, not to mention the daily mad antics of Ahmadinejad.
I swear, I think they are goading the West/Israel into conflict, just so the Arab world can start a jihad in earnest...

[Illuminatus]

It's quoting the NP

Iran may force badges on Jews, Christians (http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060519-105912-5198r)

[genghis_tom]

I just experienced an epiphany.
Iran itself is trying to be a suicide bomber, picking a fight with everyone else and seeing how many it can take down with them. :mad: :(

[Illuminatus]

[.. independent reporter Meir Javdanfar, an Israeli Middle East expert who was born and raised in Tehran, says the report is false.

"It's absolutely factually incorrect," he told The New 940 Montreal.

"Nowhere in the law is there any talk of Jews and Christians having to wear different colours. I've checked it with sources both inside Iran and outside."

"The Iranian people would never stand for it. The Iranian government wouldn't be stupid enough to do it." ..]

http://www.940news.com/locale.php?news=2512

man I hope so
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I notice, though, that the disputing reporter does not claim that there is no dress-code law (nice catch Womble), only that he does not see any part in there about Jews and Christians having to wear something different.

[PeteRoy]

Read (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3252830,00.html)

[defari]

I don't know what to say. This is really sad. I'm pretty sure China and Russia will find another way of making excuses for Iran as they have done so far in this whole nuclear discussion.

If Muslims claim that their religion is tolerant towards other religion, then why is there a need to mark the Jews and Christian? What's the point of it? Lies Lies Lies, nothing but lies from Muslims.

Oh and watch some more stupid Christians AND some Jews, both in the US and Europe ignore this, while continuing boycotting Israel.

Those will never learn.

[Mira]

The story just made the Jerusalem Post:

New Iranian law to require Jews to wear yellow band
By JPOST.COM STAFF


A new dress-code law reportedly passed in Iran this past week mandates the government to make sure that religious minorities - Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians - will have to adopt distinct colour schemes to make them identifiable in public, the Canadian National Post reported on Friday.

Under the new law, which still awaits final approval from Iran's supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Jews will have to wear a yellow band on their exterior in public, while Christians will be required to don red ones.

Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter responded to the new law Friday night, saying, "Whoever makes Jews anywhere wear the yellow star again, will find themselves in a coffin draped in black."

Furthermore, according to the law, the Iranian government has envisioned that all Iranians wear "standard Islamic garments" designed to remove ethnic and class distinctions.

The purpose for the law was to prevent Muslims from becoming najis "unclean" by accidentally shaking the hands of non-Muslims in public.

Ophir Paz-Pines, minister-without-portfolio responsible for culture, sports, science and technology, who is also a member of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee in the Knesset, called on the government's secretary to ensure the issue be immediately addressed during the next Cabinet meeting.

"The State of Israel was created after the Holocaust in order to ensure it would not be repeated. The yellow star is a bright red warning sign that obligates us to muster the entire world in the face of events there [Iran]."

Paz-Pines also called on Prime Minister Ehud Olmert to make the issue his top priority when he visits Washington D.C. next week to meet US President George W. Bush.

Meretz Chairman Yossi Beilin said, "Israel could no longer be satisfied with warnings, and that the moment Jews are forced to wear the yellow band, Israel must act to evacuate all Jews from Iran. He added that, "Israel must stand at the forefront of efforts to separate Iran's crazy and Hitlerite regime from government control."

"The new law resembles the Holocaust," said head of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, Rabbi Marvin Heir, and warned that, "Iran was nearing Nazi Ideology."

According to Army Radio, Wiesenthal Center officials sent a letter to United Nations Director General Kofi Annan urging him "not to ignore" the new law, and reminded him that, "The world ignored Hitler for many years."

The new law was drafted during the presidency of Muhammad Khatami in 2004, but was blocked. That blockage, however, has been removed under pressure from current President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

According to Ahmadinejad, reported the National Post, the new Islamic uniforms will establish "visual equality" for Iranians as they prepare for the return of the Hidden Imam.

The final shape of the uniforms is yet to be established but there is consensus on a number of points.

The Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations released a statement saying, "We have been seeking to clarify these reports but do not yet have confirmation. There are clear indications that various Iranian government agencies, including the Ministry of Commerce and Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance, are working on new uniforms to be introduced in the fall.

"While such legislation would be reminiscent of dark periods in the past, like the Nazi era when Jews and others had to wear identifying badges, it is also consistent with the racist and extremist ideology propagated by President Ahmadinejad.

We are monitoring the situation and seeking to ascertain the facts in order to determine the appropriate response."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1145961377561&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[Toga]

I think it is great when an enemy regime shows its desparation and true color. Yet, there will be a minority of Jews, especially the self-hateful leftist Jews, who will blame Israel and the vast majority of Jews regardless how despicable the enemy is. At the very least they will try to create a moral equavalency between the Jews who are trying to defend themselves and those who are blowing up the Jewish kindergartens.

That is our reality. If there is anything good about the Iranian requirement for the Nazi type marks, which by the way, were invented by the Brits, it is that they show some Jews their reality.

[MGB8]

Israel must broadcast to the Iranian Jews, and follow through on, an option to get every single on out of the country and into Israel if they so wish.

Subsequently, if Israel needs to blow things up in order to get landing spots for planes to transport people out of Iran, so be it. But channels should be created so that Iranian Jews can get out.

[MrRight]

unf$#$ing believable

[Elin]

If Muslims claim that their religion is tolerant towards other religion, then why is there a need to mark the Jews and Christian? What's the point of it? Lies Lies Lies, nothing but lies from Muslims.



Well ok,I don't know any other muslim country which mark the Jews and Christians,do you know?

It's Ahmedinejad,you know him..

[SteveMetch]

What other Jew hating satanic cult have we seen this from?

How big of bomb does it take to wake up the self-hating fools among us? In fact the willful stupidity has gotten so high that even if Iranians started goose-stepping around under a Nazi flag with pictures of Hitler and banners saying nuke all Jews they probably still wouldn’t get upset.

Islam is just bursting with peace.

Never Again? Never say Never.

What are we waiting for the bright flash?

It feels like everyone is asleep. Hello knock knock is there anyone in their.

[Mira]

Iranian lawmakers debate women's clothing

By TAREK AL-ISSAWI
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

TEHRAN, Iran -- Iran's conservative-dominated parliament is debating a draft law that would discourage women from wearing Western clothing, increase taxes on imported clothes and fund an advertising campaign to encourage citizens to wear Islamic-style garments.

A draft received preliminary approval Sunday and lawmakers debated it this week, but the parliament has not passed the bill. If adopted, the measure would require approval by the Guardian Council, a constitutional watchdog.

The measure has provoked concern outside Iran after a Canadian newspaper reported it included provisions that would require Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians and other non-Muslims to wear a patch of colored cloth on the front of their garments.

The National Post, quoting "Iranian expatriates living in Canada," said the law would require "Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews...to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth."

In Tehran, legislator Emad Afroogh, who sponsored the bill and chairs the parliament's cultural committee, told The Associated Press on Friday there was no truth to the Canadian newspaper report.

"It's a sheer lie. The rumors about this are worthless," he said.

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Afroogh said the bill seeks only to make women dress more conservatively and avoid Western fashions.

"The bill is not related to minorities. It is only about clothing," he said. "Please tell them (in the West) to check the details of the bill. There is no mention of religious minorities and their clothing in the bill," he said.

Iranian Jewish lawmaker Morris Motamed told the AP: "Such a plan has never been proposed or discussed in parliament. Such news, which appeared abroad, is an insult to religious minorities here."

At Iran's mission to the United Nations, a diplomat, speaking anonymously because he was not allowed to make official statements, called the report "completely false."

"We reject that. It is not true. The minorities in Iran are completely free and are represented in the Iranian parliament," the diplomat said.

According to the bill, a joint committee of the parliament and Cabinet ministers will decide on the tax increase on imported clothes and other details.

"Promotion of Western and spontaneous styles has become a cultural problem in major cities. It needs national attention," Mahmoud Hosseini, spokesman of the cultural committee in the Majlis, or parliament, has said in comments broadcast live on state radio.

According to existing law, women must cover from head to toe, but many young women, buoyed by social freedoms granted to them during the 1997-2005 rule of former President Mohammad Khatami, ignore the law.

Since conservatives regained control of Iran's most powerful institutions, there have been increasing calls to implement strict Islamic laws that were largely ignored in the past.

Iran's Islamic law imposes tight restrictions on women. They need a male guardian's permission to work or travel. They are not allowed to become judges, and a man's court testimony is considered twice as important as a woman's.

Despite such restrictions, Iranian women have more rights than their counterparts in Saudi Arabia and some other conservative Muslim countries. They can drive, vote and run for office.

The State Department said Friday it was concerned about the reports on a special clothing rule for Iranian minorities.

Spokesman Sean McCormack said such a measure would be "despicable" and carry "clear echoes of Germany under Hitler."

McCormack said he could not comment further because the precise nature of the proposal was unclear.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107AP_Iran_Dress_Code.html

[SteveMetch]

Excerpt from Jpost;

(Meretz Chairman Yossi Beilin said, "Israel could no longer be satisfied with warnings, and that the moment Jews are forced to wear the yellow band, Israel must act to evacuate all Jews from Iran." He added that, "Israel must stand at the forefront of efforts to separate Iran's crazy and Hitlerite regime from government control.")

Yes, good idea lets get all the Non-Muslims out of there.

[Gershon]

A colour code for Iran's 'infidels'


Amir Taheri, National Post
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=398274b5-9210-43e4-ba59-fa24f4c66ad4&k=28534&p=2

Published: Friday, May 19, 2006

While the Iranian economy appears to be heading for recession, one sector may have some reason for optimism. That sector is the garment industry and the reason for hopefulness is a law passed by the Islamic Majlis (parliament) on Monday.
The law mandates the government to make sure that all Iranians wear "standard Islamic garments" designed to remove ethnic and class distinctions reflected in clothing, and to eliminate "the influence of the infidel" on the way Iranians, especially, the young dress. It also envisages separate dress codes for religious minorities, Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians, who will have to adopt distinct colour schemes to make them identifiable in public. The new codes would enable Muslims to easily recognize non-Muslims so that they can avoid shaking hands with them by mistake, and thus becoming najis (unclean).
The new law, drafted during the presidency of Muhammad Khatami in 2004, had been blocked within the Majlis. That blockage, however, has been removed under pressure from Khatami's successor, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
The new law replaces the one passed in 1982 dealing with women's clothes. That law imposed the hijab and focused on the need to force women to cover their hair in public. The emphasis on the hijab was based on the belief that women's hair emanates an "evil ray" that drives men "into lustful irrationality" and thus causes harm to Islam. The new law cannot come into effect until consensus is reached on what constitutes "authentic Islamic attire."
The world's estimated 1.3 billion Muslims live in more than 180 different countries and dress in a bewilderingly large number of styles reflecting national, tribal, ethnic and folkloric traditions. The Ethnological Museum in Tehran shows that Iran itself is home to hundreds of different styles of clothing for men and women.
According to Ahmadinejad, the new Islamic uniforms will establish "visual equality" for Iranians as they prepare for the return of the Hidden Imam.
A committee that consists of members from the Ministry of Islamic Orientation, the Ministry of Commerce and the Cultural Subcommittee of the Islamic Majlis is scheduled to propose the new uniforms by next autumn. These would then have to be approved by the "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenei before being imposed by law.
Although the final shape of the uniforms is yet to be established, there is consensus on a number of points. The idea of adopting an Arab-style robe (known as dishdash) for men has been rejected along with a proposal that men wear a form of turban.
"Iranians have always worn trousers," says Mostafa Pourhardani, Minister of Islamic Orientation. "Even when the ancient Greeks wore woman-style dresses with skirts, the Persians had trousers. We are not going to force Iranian men to do away with trousers although they predate Islam."
What men will wear on top is not clear yet.
Some Islamic experts want a kind of long, almost European-style, jacket known as "sardari" and used in Iran for centuries. Others propose only a waistcoat.

On colour schemes, however, there seems to be consensus.
Islamic legislators are unanimous that Islam is incompatible with "gay, wild, provocative colours" such as red, yellow, and light blue, which are supposed to be favoured by Satan. The colours to be imposed by law are expected to be black, brown, dark blue and dark grey.
Some Majlis members have been trying to lift the ban on green, which is, after all, the colour of the Bani Hashem, the family of the Prophet Muhammad, and thus regarded as the colour of Islam. The majority view, however, is that green is not "serious enough" to underline the gravity of a Muslim man's position.
Religious minorities would have their own colour schemes. They will also have to wear special insignia, known as zonnar, to indicate their non-Islamic faiths. Jews would be marked out with a yellow strip of cloth sewn in front of their clothes while Christians will be assigned the colour red. Zoroastrians end up with Persian blue as the colour of their zonnar. It is not clear what will happen to followers of other religions, including Hindus, Bahais and Buddhists, not to mention plain agnostics and atheists, whose very existence is denied by the Islamic Republic.
The new law imposes a total ban on wearing neckties and bow-ties which are regarded as "symbols of the Cross." Will Iranian Christians be allowed to wear them, nevertheless? No one knows.
The law also mandates the government to wage a campaign against "expensive attire" without defining it. Some mullahs, for example, wear robes made of pure hand-woven silk that costs several thousands dollars. Nor is it clear whether or not the kind of blouson (long shirt) that Ahmadinejad often wears would be deemed Islamic. (Shops in Tehran are selling the so-called "presidential" blouson for US$3 apiece.)
One aim of the new law is to impose a total ban on imports of clothes and dress designs from the West. The Majlis hopes that all jeans will disappear from the Iranian scene within five years. The boutiques selling haute couture Western gear for men and women will also be closed over the next few years. A total ban on designer items, marked by logos, will come into force by the end of the year.
"There is no sense in a Muslim man or woman wearing something that is, in fact, an advertisement for an infidel designer or clothing merchant," says Pourharandi.
Another aim of the new law is to abolish the chador, the overall piece of cloth that Iranian women have tucked themselves in for centuries. The reason is that the chador existed before the Khomeinist revolution and thus cannot be regarded as "properly Islamic." Women must wear clothes that would, in fact, transform them into advertising billboards for the regime's ideology.
One remaining problem is to decide the age at which girls should wear the uniforms. At present the hijab is mandatory from the age of six. But some of Ahmadinejad's advisers want to reduce that to four.
During the committee debates on the new law, some Majlis members tried to include articles determining the shape and size of men's beards and mustaches and impose an Islamic standard for male facial hair. But it was agreed that the issue be tackled in another bill to be presented to the Majlis next year.
By September the Majlis is expected to approve an initial budget of US$800-million to help "the poor and the needy" to adopt the new uniforms. All public sector workers, estimated to number 4.5 million, will be in uniform by 2009 at the latest.
What is already labelled "the Islamic clothes revolution" will not be limited to Iran. Tehran has already sent a team to Lebanon to inform the Hezbollah of the new law and train cadres to impose it on Lebanese Shiites.
"Our aim is to make sure that every Muslim, wherever he or she happens to be on this Earth, is a living and walking symbol of Islam," says Pourharandi.
- Iranian author and journalist Amir Taheri is a member of Benador Associates.
Is Iran turning into the new Nazi Germany?

[defari]

Israel must broadcast to the Iranian Jews, and follow through on, an option to get every single on out of the country and into Israel if they so wish.

Subsequently, if Israel needs to blow things up in order to get landing spots for planes to transport people out of Iran, so be it. But channels should be created so that Iranian Jews can get out.


I've heard that Iranian Jews are not allowed to leave Iran. Is that true? Is there a law that says that? Why are they not allowed to leave? Why does Iran want to keep the Jews if they hate them? I don't get it.

[Theodikritis]

Is Meir Javdfander the fool who keeps saying "Revoloution next month" every month?

[golani]

I've heard that Iranian Jews are not allowed to leave Iran. Is that true? Is there a law that says that? Why are they not allowed to leave? Why does Iran want to keep the Jews if they hate them? I don't get it.

(adolf) aminjad might use them as human shields to protect "sensitive"sites from being bombed by swarms of F15s,F16is,B1s,B2s,cruise missiles being readied for "the big day"

[Khalid]

another false information!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060519/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_dress_code_1

[tzanchan]

I've heard that Iranian Jews are not allowed to leave Iran. Is that true? Is there a law that says that? Why are they not allowed to leave? Why does Iran want to keep the Jews if they hate them? I don't get it.
is not iran the only muslim state with a jew in parliament?

[CoinToss]

is not iran the only muslim state with a jew in parliament?Noam Chomski lives in Iran ?

[Womble]

is not iran the only muslim state with a jew in parliament?
They do keep one for decorative purposes. (I believe they also have one Christian and one Zoroastrian, for the same reasons). But they aren't the only ones; the Palestinian parliament also has a Neturei Karta guy in the parliament.

[Womble]

I've heard that Iranian Jews are not allowed to leave Iran. Is that true? Is there a law that says that? Why are they not allowed to leave? Why does Iran want to keep the Jews if they hate them? I don't get it.
They have to. No totalitarian regime can ever afford freedom of emigration. If they let the Jews out, everybody else would want out too.

[CoinToss]

They do keep one for decorative purposes.A canary in a cage would fit as well... tweet, tweet, tweet...
However Chomski is more of a vulture...

[Khazar]

tzanchan
is not iran the only muslim state with a jew in parliament?

No

Secondly this is Iran and AhmedImMadijad, there is no need to label all Muslims and Islam based on this wacko after they call other groups of Muslims "Najis"=Dirty and most Muslim's don't agree with this country.

They represent nothing but Oppression, oppression of woman, of human rights and now Jews, why Jews? what have the Jews of Iran done for this Medievel European Spanish Inquisition type of behaviour by Iran.

These people simply have strayed far away from their religion and are living breathing example's of Hatred.

[Mira]

You guys, the story isn't true. It was made up by a bunch of X Iranians living in Canada.

[Illuminatus]

You may be right Mira,

The new law addresses women's attire - to "encourage" the wearing of Islamic clothing in order to protect the country's Muslim identity.

but,

what happens to an Iranian non-Muslim who refuses to wear Islamic clothing?

[defari]

what happens to an Iranian non-Muslim who refuses to wear Islamic clothing?

Exactly, I wonder that too?



But I also wonder what does "encourage" mean in this context? I mean they talk about a "law" and then "encourage". Those too don't go together IMO.

I could encourage (suggest, try to convince) a friend to listen to Madonna, for example. But it's not a law that she or he must listen to Madonna. It's just a suggestion.

But when they make a law about Islamic dresses, then it's NOT an encouragement, it's an ORDER. So what is this bullsh1t about "law" and "encouragement"? Those are two different things.

This law will be an order not an encouragement.

[Leon]

I've heard that Iranian Jews are not allowed to leave Iran. Is that true? Is there a law that says that? Why are they not allowed to leave? Why does Iran want to keep the Jews if they hate them? I don't get it.

It reminds me of the situation of the Soviet Union. Even though they hated and persecuted the Jewish minority, they refused to let them out. Large waves of Soviet Jews eventually got out after much internatonal pressure

[Leon]

is not iran the only muslim state with a jew in parliament?

You mean the usual token Jew?

The USSR also had plenty of token Jews in its parliament and in very high positions.

[CoinToss]

It reminds me of the situation of the Soviet Union. Even though they hated and persecuted the Jewish minority, they refused to let them out. Large waves of Soviet Jews eventually got out after much internatonal pressure
In the same way, Berlin's wall was made to prevent germans from fleeing to the west side.
And I prefer not to talk about north-koreans trying everyday to escape their bloody regime...

[CoinToss]

You mean the usual token Jew?

The USSR also had plenty of token Jews in its parliament and in very high positions.You want to see dumb people such as tchantchan ?

Read this:http://www.petitiononline.com/Nazanin/
And watch this:http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?Nazanin&1

>please save nazanin
>she is innocent
>Please stop this injustice
>pls forgive her
>I beg you please save her life

Have you ever red such stupid comments ??
Do they naively think they can tenderize the iranian mullahs ??
Now I understand how noone acted against Hitler from 1933 to 1939.
The world is splitted between dumb people and bloody psychopaths.
And the dumb are so dumb that they complain when a psychopath is hurted...
There is no hope...

[alethea]

Hi and new here, mostly a reader, but am interested in finding out as much about that article as I can.

We don't know for sure if this is false or not, the article was written by a credible journalist and analyst, Amir Taheri. The article is 3 pages long and gives many details, too many for him to have made up.

I also find it odd that this journalist Taheri would risk losing his credibility over a complete falsehood.

The article is 3 pages long, I wonder how many read the whole thing.

From Tehari's article at the NP:

a law passed by the Islamic Majlis (parliament) on Monday. The law mandates the government to make sure that all Iranians wear "standard Islamic garments" designed to remove ethnic and class distinctions reflected in clothing, and to eliminate "the influence of the infidel" on the way Iranians, especially, the young dress. It also envisages separate dress codes for religious minorities, Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians, who will have to adopt distinct colour schemes to make them identifiable in public.
[...]
The new law cannot come into effect until consensus is reached on what constitutes "authentic Islamic attire."
[...]
A committee that consists of members from the Ministry of Islamic Orientation, the Ministry of Commerce and the Cultural Subcommittee of the Islamic Majlis is scheduled to propose the new uniforms by next autumn. These would then have to be approved by the "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenei before being imposed by law.
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What is already labelled "the Islamic clothes revolution" will not be limited to Iran. Tehran has already sent a team to Lebanon to inform the Hezbollah of the new law and train cadres to impose it on Lebanese Shiites.

"Our aim is to make sure that every Muslim, wherever he or she happens to be on this Earth, is a living and walking symbol of Islam," says Pourharandi.

[Cato]

another false information!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060519/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_dress_code_1

All that shows is that Iran is cowardly in the extreme and fears the fal out with the international community, a few known liars are not credible.

Simon Wiesenthal Center is more credible then the Iranian Government.

[alethea]

Hmmm, there are two threads on this so I won't repeat my post in the previous thread. However, the link to the NP article has changed, it is now:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=398274b5-9210-43e4-ba59-fa24f4c66ad4&k=28534&p=3

As I said, there were a lot of details in it that they could not have made up so I would think that if this is false, the NP would have pulled it by now, they havn't, nor have they made any statement other than to run another article:

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=38b84a95-622e-4830-9a57-ed004fe805ec&k=31543
saying that the Iranian embassy denies dress code.

It is possible that there was a plan to do this, but early publicity could nip it in the bud.

[Cato]

More likely Iran is doing as it always does, lying.

[Mediocrates]

People aren't stupid, it's a subtle way to get people to 'stop' being Jewish.

[rhodescholar]

I think it is great when an enemy regime shows its desparation and true color. Yet, there will be a minority of Jews, especially the self-hateful leftist Jews, who will blame Israel and the vast majority of Jews regardless how despicable the enemy is. At the very least they will try to create a moral equavalency between the Jews who are trying to defend themselves and those who are blowing up the Jewish kindergartens.

That is our reality. If there is anything good about the Iranian requirement for the Nazi type marks, which by the way, were invented by the Brits, it is that they show some Jews their reality.

I am not religious, but I wonder if it is acceptable under Judaism to kill these jews - such as the Neutered Kartei, Peace Now, etc. - who provide political cover for the enemy of Israel.

Does anyone know? If so I would certainly advocate jewish groups such as the JDL to simply slaughter this trash at every opportunity.

[minusthejihad]

Yes, this story is obviously not true. The colors of the badges were way too colorful, and will need to be changed so Jews don't look like Shiny Happy People. They'll give them black ones instead.

[CoinToss]

I am not religious, but I wonder if it is acceptable under Judaism to kill these jews - such as the Neutered Kartei, Peace Now, etc. - who provide political cover for the enemy of Israel.

Does anyone know? If so I would certainly advocate jewish groups such as the JDL to simply slaughter this trash at every opportunity.
Even if they deserve death, they can be exploited alive.
Those trashes are religious fanatics mixing religion and politics exactly like islamist terrorists.
And you can point out this, in order to deligitimate their friends.
Use the double-edge sword at your own profit.

[rhodescholar]

Even if they deserve death, they can be exploited alive.
Those trashes are religious fanatics mixing religion and politics exactly like islamist terrorists.
And you can point out this, in order to deligitimate their friends.
Use the double-edge sword at your own profit.

I prefer a more direct and decisive method: pure, unadulterated violence.

By liquidating this garbage, we can begin the process of cleansing the world of the enemies among us.

[Mediocrates]

http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=IA27706

[alethea]

Well, for the record the NP has a retraction.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=6df3e493-f350-4b53-bc16-53262b49a4f7
Last Friday, the National Post ran a story prominently on the front page alleging that the Iranian parliament had passed a law that, if enacted, would require Jews and other religious minorities in Iran to wear badges that would identify them as such in public. It is now clear the story is not true. Given the seriousness of the error, I felt it necessary to explain to our readers how this happened.

The story of the alleged badge law first came to us in the form of a column by Amir Taheri. Mr. Taheri, an Iranian author and journalist, has written widely on Iran for many major publications. In his column, Mr. Taheri wrote at length about the new law, the main purpose of which is to establish an appropriate dress code for Muslims. Mr. Taheri went on to say that under the law, "Religious minorities would have their own colour schemes. They will also have to wear special insignia, known as zonnar, to indicate their non-Islamic faith."

This extraordinary allegation caught our attention, of course. The idea that Iran might impose such a law did not seem out of the question given that its President has denied the Holocaust and threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." We tried to contact Mr. Taheri, but he was in transit and unreachable.

The editor who was dealing with Mr. Taheri's column wrote to Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. The Wiesenthal Center is an international Jewish human rights organization that keeps a close watch on issues affecting the treatment of Jews around the world, and maintains contacts in many countries, including Iran. Asked about the specific allegation that Iran had passed a law requiring religious minorities to identify themselves, Rabbi Cooper replied by e-mail that the story was "absolutely true." When a reporter spoke to Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean of the Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, a short while later, Rabbi Hier said the story was true and added that the organization had sent a letter to UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan asking him to take up the matter. (Rabbi Hier has since said that, contrary to the understanding of the reporter, the Wiesenthal Center had not independently confirmed Mr. Taheri's allegation.)

The reporter also spoke with two Iranian exiles in Canada -- Ali Behroozian in Toronto and Shahram Golestaneh in Ottawa. Both said that they had heard the the story of the badges from their contacts in Iran and they believed it to be true.

Canada's Foreign Affairs Department did not respond to questions about the issue until after deadline, and then only to say they were looking into the matter. After several calls to the Iranian embassy in Ottawa, the reporter reached Hormoz Ghahremani, a spokesman for the embassy. Mr. Ghahremani's response to the allegation was that he did not answer such questions.

We now had four sources -- Mr. Taheri, the Wiesenthal Center and two Iranian exiles in Canada -- telling us that according to their sources the Iranian law appeared to include provisions for compelling religious minorities to identify themselves in public. Iranian authorities in Canada had not denied the story. Given the sources, and given the previous statements of the Iranian President, we felt confident the story was true and decided to publish it.

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I wonder if this article by the Tamir had anything to do with trying smear him. It would drive the anti Bush people nuts.

http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19499

It would be hard indeed for the average interested citizen to find out on his own just how grossly this image distorts the realities of present-day Iraq. Part of the problem, faced by even the most well-meaning news organizations, is the difficulty of covering so large and complex a subject; naturally, in such circumstances, sensational items rise to the top. But even ostensibly more objective efforts, like the Brookings Institutions much-cited Iraq Index with its constantly updated array of security, economic, and public-opinion indicators, tell us little about the actual feel of the country on the ground.

To make matters worse, many of the newsmen, pundits, and commentators on whom American viewers and readers rely to describe the situation have been contaminated by the increasing bitterness of American politics. Clearly there are those in the media and the think tanks who wish the Iraq enterprise to end in tragedy, as a just comeuppance for George W. Bush. Others, prompted by noble sentiment, so abhor the idea of war that they would banish it from human discourse before admitting that, in some circumstances, military power can be used in support of a good cause. But whatever the reason, the half-truths and outright misinformation that now function as conventional wisdom have gravely disserved the American people.

For someone like myself who has spent considerable time in Iraqa country I first visited in 1968current reality there is, nevertheless, very different from this conventional wisdom, and so are the prospects for Iraqs future. It helps to know where to look, what sources to trust, and how to evaluate the present moment against the background of Iraqi and Middle Eastern history.

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I prefer a more direct and decisive method: pure, unadulterated violence.

By liquidating this garbage, we can begin the process of cleansing the world of the enemies among us.

Quoting from Hitler again are we?