A nightmare scenario

[L@mplighterM]

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[Vic]

Is this intended for the jokes section?

[L@mplighterM]

I guess you better hope so.

[Mr. Pumps]

I Believe one of the Major European countries will fall first. France or the U.K

:( Lets play the grim timeline game:

2004-5: Russian Withdrawal from Chechnya, Moscow unable to stop the daily bleeding of Federal troops, 20000+ Troops dead on Chechen soil.

2002-10: Major Middleeastern war, possibly by "Mega" attack. A Unknown outcome.

2002-2010: Major Southeastern War triggers by some massive event like the start of building of a Hindu Temple on the Mosque torn down by Hindu Fanatics or some kind of attack.

2010-11: Riots in France, UK

2010-????: Unparrelelled Overpopulation and Pollution stings the Foundation of Stableness on the earth. Effect are felt more than ever before.

2010-????: End of the Russian federation

2010-????: Disintergration of the Judeo-Christian Europe until it's death at a certain unknown time this century. The likely end of Christianity at some point.

2010-????: Unprecedented Chaos and Catastrophe around the globe. Mankind in the Grimreapers grip. Future unknown.

[Mr. Pumps]

I am holding on at the thought in the back of my mind that there maybe a future unavoidable conflict at some point with the Islamic religion and Ideology. I will take my SKS and fight and die if need be. I Think Israel would be a good counterattack jump off point area if it is a protacted Conflict. God forbid!.

[L@mplighterM]

I think it would be a mistake to assume that one segment of the population has to be larger than the other to control the whole. I don?t know what percentage of the population the Taliban was in Afghanistan but I suspect it was less than 5%.

Theoretically speaking Militant Islam could take over Europe if they had the weapons and were organized. Of course the longer they wait the easier it?ll be for them. There?s no question in my mind that Islam is coming.

[Barak]

Well, in the Netherlands for example, there are about 1 million immigrants, and 800.000 of them are muslim. This on a total population of +16 million.

In Germany and France the situation is also not so good, although I must admit that I don't really know how the situation is in the UK, what my understanding is, is that there is a small but loud group of muslims, or am I wrong?


As for the timeline, I'm afraid that we don't have to wait so long before a major war will errupt in the Middle East. It's only a question of months, perhaps 2-3 years.

[Mediocrates]

Do you really believe this is the twilight of the west? I don't. I believe there will be eruptions of sectarian violence in Europe just as there is in other parts of the world but I think that Europeans will eventually discard their faux multicultural overtolerance and take steps. Such as outlawing religious sects that promote internal violence or denigrate the EU's own charter or human or gender rights. There will be, no doubt, a muslim of European ancestry at the top or nearly the top of at least one European country in the next decade but like any other system it's nearly impossible to get anything done unless you are very centrist. For example, you can't be a hard sharia fundamentalist and run a modern bank that charges interest. If a country tried its economy would collapse and be isolated from the rest of Europe. Look at the Balkans in this context. Is it muslims against the world? At best you would have some kind of muslim island walling itself off from the rest.

[L@mplighterM]

I believe that Islamic Fundamentalists or Extremists would like nothing better than to impose their religion on the world. At the presents we?re all living in the dawn of an ongoing religious war and it might well be the next Crusade. I don?t want my daughters walking around in potato sacks with slits cut out for the eyes.

The Islamic Fundamentalists or Extremists have shown their face in Israel killing its citizens. For years and it has surfaced off/on around the world killing and destroying at will.

Islam has come and with it comes the savage Islamic Fundamentalists or Extremists.

It sort of reminds me of ?The Planets of the Apes? all you have to do is substitute the Islamic Fundamentalists or Extremists with the gorillas. The 20% or so other Muslims become the chimpanzees and the Jews, Christians, etc assume the other roles.

[cerulean]

Margaret Atwood's book, The Handmaid's Tale (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/038549081X/), was published in 1985. At the time, I felt it was quite ridiculous, because whatever Reagan's administration might have been, it was nowhere close to introducing such a system, and the book's many fans seemed to be claiming that. (The book is about a future dystopian regime in the United States which has a bizarre religious system and oppresses women and others utterly.)

However, looking at the book now, I note that the book refers to this regime as having gained power in the US (renamed The Republic of Gilead) after an "attack by Islamic fanatics." The book briefly describes a process where more and more laws were added to counteract this attack, resulting in The Republic of Gilead. I'm now wondering if Atwood was remarkably prescient.

[Adversary2Arabs]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM
I believe that Islamic Fundamentalists or Extremists would like nothing better than to impose their religion on the world.

I don't think you could have said it any better. Your statement is completely true, but in the original post, I believe it will be similar to that, but not to those extremes. The problem is the Arabs are using our own democracies against us. They found loopholes and keep exploiting them. Another problem is that Islam is the fastest growning religion. Not to mention the fact that the Arab race is increasing very rapidly because many if not all of their countries are 3rd world, and don't know about birth control, and breed like rabbits.

[L@mplighterM]

It’s not a matter of not know about birth control they intentionally have that many kids. The reason being is that Muslims produce Muslims like Jewish women produce Jews. It doesn’t take much brains to figure out that if the Muslims have 7 kids per female and the rest of the population has 2 or 3 eventually it’ll be conquest by sheer numbers.

The writing is on the wall.

In the European countries like in Israel the non-Muslims end up working their butts off to pay taxes so that their government can support the families. The non-Muslims end up barely being able to support their own families due to high taxes.

I think in the case of the WB and GS is fair to assume that at least 50% ( a low figure) will end up supporting homicide bombings.

In the EU it’s at least a comparable percentage of Muslims that support the destruction/downfall of Israel or the US. The EU is going to get theirs one day when they wake up with Islamic Laws. As far as I’m concerned Muslims use of lateral thinking is superb because most of the non Muslim population in the EU don’t even know they are getting screwed.

[cerulean]

Daniel Pipes discusses how some Islamists in the United States see a rather similar scenario to that described in Post #1 playing out by 2020.

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/77

[Mr. Pumps]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM
It’s not a matter of not know about birth control they intentionally have that many kids. The reason being is that Muslims produce Muslims like Jewish women produce Jews. It doesn’t take much brains to figure out that if the Muslims have 7 kids per female and the rest of the population has 2 or 3 eventually it’ll be conquest by sheer numbers.

The writing is on the wall.

In the European countries like in Israel the non-Muslims end up working their butts off to pay taxes so that their government can support the families. The non-Muslims end up barely being able to support their own families due to high taxes.

I think in the case of the WB and GS is fair to assume that at least 50% ( a low figure) will end up supporting homicide bombings.

In the EU it’s at least a comparable percentage of Muslims that support the destruction/downfall of Israel or the US. The EU is going to get theirs one day when they wake up with Islamic Laws. As far as I’m concerned Muslims use of lateral thinking is superb because most of the non Muslim population in the EU don’t even know they are getting screwed.

:) You the man! I say this over and over agian on forums covering this topic and people like Davelet from the Russia.com forum does'nt believe it, because he is in a dream world and does'nt wake up. Islam is the fastest growning religion with the fastest growth rate....period. Russia is experiencing a rapid dwindling of all other people except Muslims and the more and more Russians die out the more feasible Sharia Islamic law becomes and the looser Moscow's control becomes. :rolleyes: I get called a Nazi, a Nationalist and a bigot by some naive, simplistic idiot, because I say that other people in Russia should be given some some benefits for increasing their birthrate to even things out. :rolleyes: The writing IS really on the wall, but dreamers ignore it and think as long as you give them money and self-rule all the nice Islamic extremists will fall in line. I love the Naive Appeasement and unreal, Idealist"If we give them what they want they will leave us alone" additude. Just bloody love it!

[James]

Originally posted by Adversary2Arabs


I don't think you could have said it any better. Your statement is completely true, but in the original post, I believe it will be similar to that, but not to those extremes. The problem is the Arabs are using our own democracies against us. They found loopholes and keep exploiting them. Another problem is that Islam is the fastest growning religion. Not to mention the fact that the Arab race is increasing very rapidly because many if not all of their countries are 3rd world, and don't know about birth control, and breed like rabbits.

Do you think they, (Arabs) want control of this world? If so, i agree with your statement,"Arabs are using our democracies against us". I definately see a pattern to their arrogance toward
countries supporting Israel.

[Barak]

In a couple of years there will be more muslims in Israel then Jews. Why do you think that Ariel Sharon wants to have at least 1 million Jews to make aliyah in the next couple of years.

[ibrodsky]

Preferred scenario:

2002 - Israel reconquers West Bank and Gaza and begins executing terrorists
2003 - U.S. invades southern Lebanon. Hezbollah fires rockets at Israel. U.S. and Israel bomb Lebanon and Syria, routing Hezbollah and bringing down baby Assad.
2003 - US forces sweep through Syria and on to Iraq.
2004 - US launches surprise attack against Iranian navy and air force.
2004 - Saddam Hussein dies in bunker. Iraqis hail "liberation."
2005 - Fledging democratic governments set up in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq. Iranian students overthrow the ayatollahs, renew friendly ties with Israel.
2006 - Revolution in Saudi Arabia. Osama bin Laden resurfaces as new Saudi leader. US nukes Saudi Arabia, Islamist-inspired terrorism suddenly vanishes from Earth.
2007 - Charismatic Islamic leader calls for reform; says Mohammed was a mortal with human foibles. Issues fatwa calling for separation of mosque and state, end to Sharia, and liberation of women under Islam.
2008 - Disney theme park opens in Egypt.

Perhaps it is just a dream...

But it would make a helluva movie! :D

[Mediocrates]

To me it's desperation. The OPEC Mid East has 20-30 years before the whole thing collapses. Even though Saudi Arabia has something like 25% of known or potential oil reserves at current rates of consumption and substitution they will be S.O.L in about 20-30 years. At that point they will still have vast oil wealth but their ability to set and control price will be gone forever and they will become just another supplier of a commodity like Russian oil or Canadian wheat. They view the next few years as their last best shot at holding on to power. If they fail then they know that the day after the oil money shuts off will be 7000 Saudi princes hanging from gibbets in town squares all over the kingdom.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
Preferred scenario:

2002 - Israel reconquers West Bank and Gaza and begins executing terrorists
2003 - U.S. invades southern Lebanon. Hezbollah fires rockets at Israel. U.S. and Israel bomb Lebanon and Syria, routing Hezbollah and bringing down baby Assad.
2003 - US forces sweep through Syria and on to Iraq.
2004 - US launches surprise attack against Iranian navy and air force.
2004 - Saddam Hussein dies in bunker. Iraqis hail "liberation."
2005 - Fledging democratic governments set up in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq. Iranian students overthrow the ayatollahs, renew friendly ties with Israel.
2006 - Revolution in Saudi Arabia. Osama bin Laden resurfaces as new Saudi leader. US nukes Saudi Arabia, Islamist-inspired terrorism suddenly vanishes from Earth.
2007 - Charismatic Islamic leader calls for reform; says Mohammed was a mortal with human foibles. Issues fatwa calling for separation of mosque and state, end to Sharia, and liberation of women under Islam.
2008 - Disney theme park opens in Egypt.

Perhaps it is just a dream...

But it would make a helluva movie! :D

I could go for that,

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by Barak
In a couple of years there will be more muslims in Israel then Jews. Why do you think that Ariel Sharon wants to have at least 1 million Jews to make aliyah in the next couple of years.


I’ll say it again invest in potato sack futures. Israeli and Danish women might not look too bad in Burkas

[Mr. Pumps]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
Preferred scenario:

2002 - Israel reconquers West Bank and Gaza and begins executing terrorists
2003 - U.S. invades southern Lebanon. Hezbollah fires rockets at Israel. U.S. and Israel bomb Lebanon and Syria, routing Hezbollah and bringing down baby Assad.
2003 - US forces sweep through Syria and on to Iraq.
2004 - US launches surprise attack against Iranian navy and air force.
2004 - Saddam Hussein dies in bunker. Iraqis hail "liberation."
2005 - Fledging democratic governments set up in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq. Iranian students overthrow the ayatollahs, renew friendly ties with Israel.
2006 - Revolution in Saudi Arabia. Osama bin Laden resurfaces as new Saudi leader. US nukes Saudi Arabia, Islamist-inspired terrorism suddenly vanishes from Earth.
2007 - Charismatic Islamic leader calls for reform; says Mohammed was a mortal with human foibles. Issues fatwa calling for separation of mosque and state, end to Sharia, and liberation of women under Islam.
2008 - Disney theme park opens in Egypt.

Perhaps it is just a dream...

But it would make a helluva movie! :D

That seems along way away at the moment to be sure.

Islam right at this moment is on Dark Ages Religious binge and it will take a significant amout of the time for the situation to change. It took Christian Hundreds of years (The Spanish Inquisition of the 15th century all the way too the Salem Witch burnings of the 19th century.)

Speaking of Witches and the Wiccan Religion, do you know Muslims burn Women alive for suspected "Satanist" Witchcraft practices even now. :rolleyes: Boy .......... and the world is totally flat and by going of the edge of the flat Earth you die. I think Suicide bombings are a form of primative screwhead "Satanism" so the Palestinian Martyrs should be burned alive or :D burn themselves alive.

[James]

Originally posted by Mr. Pumps
I am holding on at the thought in the back of my mind that there maybe a future unavoidable conflict at some point with the Islamic religion and Ideology. I will take my SKS and fight and die if need be. I Think Israel would be a good counterattack jump off point area if it is a protacted Conflict. God forbid!.

Oh come on now, You don't need Your SKS to fight, Israel will defeat all Arab invaders against their people and Islam will be
exposed for what it really is, artifical fireworks.

[Mr. Pumps]

What is a true nightmare scenario is the IDF having the remain indefinitely in Palestinian Territory to rein in the People.

That is a highly likely because everytime the IDF has withdrawn a Suicide attack has happened over ana over agian.

[James]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr. Pumps
[B]What is a true nightmare scenario is the IDF having the remain indefinitely in Palestinian Territory to rein in the People.


Of course they will. What would you do if confronted with these suicide bombers, negotiate? How do you deal with children raised to hate Jews? Arab parents use their children as assassians in their war against Israel. The more i study the Arab govts., the less i see in positive growth.

[Mr. Pumps]

Originally posted by James
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mr. Pumps
[B]What is a true nightmare scenario is the IDF having the remain indefinitely in Palestinian Territory to rein in the People.


Of course they will. What would you do if confronted with these suicide bombers, negotiate? How do you deal with children raised to hate Jews? Arab parents use their children as assassians in their war against Israel. The more i study the Arab govts., the less i see in positive growth.

But it is Israel's long-term interest to remain forever in Palestinian territory.

[L@mplighterM]

Sweden is supporting Denmark in the war of words regarding that country?s new immigration policies. (according to the Norwegian aticle)

Dansk Folkeparti takker Sverige
Over en helsides annonse i Dagens Nyheter (DN) viser partileder Pia Kjærsgaard sin takknemlighet til svenskene for all støtte i ordkrigen om dansk innvandringspolitikk.


http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/uriks/article.jhtml?articleID=359899


9/11 will not be in vain if the world awakens to the dangers of Islamic Fundamentalism and its supporters. Slowly but surely the borders will close to these insane madmen that want to dominate the world. Bush is going to find himself in a minority among western countries when he sing out about the wonders of Islam.

[James]

Originally posted by Mr. Pumps


But it is Israel's long-term interest to remain forever in Palestinian territory.

Palestinian Territory? Jews own this land, Arabs (Palestinians) are nomads traveling large distances and not settling down in any land until Jews begin cultivating their own land and Arabs want a better life with prosperity for their family.

Arabs (Palestinains) decide Israel will provide better opportunities
for their families, so they settle in Jewish land and prosper.