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kobysh
07-11-2002, 12:41 PM
Hello
I have gatherd links to many presentations dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. These presentations should be sent to people all over the world in order to spread the truth about the MiddleEast.
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Presentations for the sake of Israel
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A Flash presentation about the disco bombing in Tel Aviv.
This presentation is in memory of the 21 teenagers who were killed outside the Dolphi-Disco in Tel-Aviv by a Palestinain suicide bomber [English].
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/telaviv2.swf
"For Them" - In Memory of the Israeli Victims.
A new flash movie - "For Them" - an flash movie in the memory of the Israeli victims of the Palestinian-Arab terror in the last year and a half. The movie shows images from the terror atack's scences, the names of the victims with an exciting music in the background. The movie was made by Daniel Zion [English].
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/forthem_eng.pps
Palestine - The Land of Israel.
"The Land of Israel" presentation reveals the history of Palestine. From the early days of the Yisraeli kingdoms and until these days. The presentation disproves the Arab claims that there has ever been a Arab-Palestinian state in Palestine [English].
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/palestine.pps
Truth in the Middle-East.
This presentation opens with coverage of two atrocious attacks against Israeli citizens and the Palestinian reaction to those attacks. The presentation continues by showing the truth about the Palestinians and the PA and clarifies the facts behind the major Palestinian myths. It also brings the Palestinian reaction to the terror attacks in the United States. (Copyright: MidEast Truth) [English]
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/MidEastTruth.pps
"Solutions to the Middle East Conflict".
After years of peace talks with the Palestinians it's time to face the facts: The Palestinians doesn't want to live alongside Israel in an independent country, but to destroy Israel and build their country on Israel's ruins. [English]
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/solutions.pps
MidEast Analysis.
Does Israel is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people? Can terror be justified? Is the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat, involved in terror? [English]
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/MidEastAnalysis.pps
Imagine....
Imagine going to the market and be afraid of a suicide bomber. Imagine living in fear of going out to a coffee shop, a disco, a restaurant or even just go to a friend across the street. Imagine living in a land of terror. [English]
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/imagine.pps
"A Lesson in Children Education".
A presentation about the education of the Palestinian children who are taught to hate and kill. The presentation contain some unpleasant images, though, it shows the Palestinian use of children lives for their political targets. [English]
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/children.pps
"The Ultimate Child Abuse".
The Ultimate Child Abuse is a slide show of "Palestinian Media Watch", explaining how the Palestinian Authority has educated a generation of children to see heroic Martyrdom as an ideal to be sought. Israel, the world, and the Palestinian children themselves, will be victims of this education for many years. [English]
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/child_abuse.pps
"What is zionism?".
What is Zionism? The presentation shows what Zionism is all about, and disprove the Arab claim that Zionism is Racism. [English]
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/zionism.pps
International Terror Presentation.
A presentation about the terror attacks which shocked the world. The presentation shows the world's solidarity with the United States and in contrast to this, the Palestinian reaction to the terrible attacks. The presentation continues by showing more Palestinian incitement, lies and hatred towards the US and Israel and ends by summarizing the world terror map of Iraq, Iran, Hizballah & Al-Qaida and Yasser Arafat and the PA's terror. (Copyright: MidEast Truth) [English]
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/terror.pps
"The Al-Aqsa Intifada" - The things you didn't know.
This presentation shows many of pictures of Palestinian terror against Israel and its victims, together with explanations of who is responsible for these war crimes. [English]
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/arafat.pps
"Israel is Under Fire".
This presentation shows pictures of Palestinian terror, mainly from the attack on the "Sbarro" restaurant in Jerusalem, where a lot of kids who came with their parents for lunch were killed. [English]
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/israel is under fire.pps
"The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - The Real Story".
This presentation shows pictures of the recent Palestinian riots, of Palestinian gunmen and youths holding weapons. [English]
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/thetruth.pps
"Children of Peace 1994-2001".
A collection of pictures of Palestinian children at the "Jihad Summer Camp" where they learn how to use weapons and are taught to kill innocent Israelis.
http://www.oslo-war.com/pps/kids.pps
That's all!
Good luck!
minusthejihad
07-11-2002, 01:03 PM
I LOVE IT!
Mediocrates
07-11-2002, 01:14 PM
Is the site hosed? none of the downstream links (there are two) from the homepage work and many of the directlinks here do not work: either not found like the 2nd link here or display gibberish - mostly because I don't have a pps plugin for this browser. Is there another format you can use or can you set them up to download instead of display inline? I think some of the pps files are broken anyway since I can't save them correctly - I get a 'can't read...' error popup.
Well, in internet explorer you can right-click the link and select "Save Target As...". Will that do?
Mediocrates
07-11-2002, 02:26 PM
saving them doesn't work - the one labeled zionism.pps will not play on my powerpoint viewer. is it some kind XP only version?
I have Ms Powerpoint 2000 and works fine. Funny, I'll send this particular presentation to a Jewish Israeli/American friend living in France who said to me that zionism is racism...
This presentation is very clear: it's intended for ignorant people who think zionism is racism.
Mediocrates
07-11-2002, 02:58 PM
is PP2000 different from PP for W95 from a compatibility standpoint?
PP2000 should be able to open a file made in a lower version, but opening a file of a higher version I think it's impossible. That's why upgrading is always advisable. Hell... it's microsoft... it may defy the laws of logic.. :rolleyes: I don't know. If the file was made in PP2000 it problably can't be opened in a lower version of PP.
Mediocrates
07-11-2002, 03:24 PM
ug - not gonna do that
cerulean
07-11-2002, 06:53 PM
You can view PowerPoint XP presentations without having the latest PowerPoint by downloading this viewer (caution: I haven't tested it)
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2002/ppView97.aspx .
Mediocrates
07-12-2002, 03:40 AM
arrg it works on one machine but not the other with ostensibly the same viewer - I can save and print to PDF output but in either case I noticed for example that the embedded photographs on page 10 and 15 of 'zionism' are missing.
Mediocrates
07-12-2002, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by cerulean
You can view PowerPoint XP presentations without having the latest PowerPoint by downloading this viewer (caution: I haven't tested it)
http://office.microsoft.com/downloads/2002/ppView97.aspx .
thanks I'm using that - sometimes it works sometimes no. Anyway we now have a corp license for Office so the next time I have an hour to install it I'll probably do that.
Does anyone know if any of the Linux office suites like Star can read ppt/pps files. MS office files and Lotus Notes are pretty much the only reasons I need to run Microslave.
As with all of the Hasbara the basic question remains: what is the target audience and what are the exact goals? Are such presentations made to please those who know all along what it is all about or to convince outsiders? If the former is the case, then we may ask, whether preaching to the choir is worth the time and effort, the latter raises a lot of questions: Has anyone defined and studied the target audience (i.e. specific social groups, political education, cultural background, taste etc.)? Is there any feedback on success and failure? How should the work (aka PR) be optimized? What are tha underlying concepts? etc.
Here is an amused to unfriendly article that offers food for thought on how not to do it:
March 30, 2002
THE MILITARY
In Israel, Press Kits Roll Out With Tanks
By JOHN KIFNER
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/30/international/middleeast/30ARMY.html
"We will fight the Palestinian incitement and propaganda campaign," Mr. Meir said. "It will take some time, it will take a lot of patience."
Workers bustled about today, setting up tables, computers and telephone lines. On a long row of tables, there were handouts ranging from maps and pamphlets with basic facts on population to piles of CD-ROM's.
The discs included "Surviving Terrorists," ("The gripping stories of six Israelis whose lives were turned upside down by terrorist attacks. Their will to live represents the courage and hope for peace that every Israeli represents.") and "Seeds of Hatred" ("Today, the Palestinian Authority is methodically and systematically indoctrinating a new generation of children with dangerous and irrevocable messages . . .").
Looking about the briefing room taking shape, Eric Silver of the British newspaper The Independent, a correspondent here for decades, said the mobilization reminded him of the conflict in 1973.The first and obvious moral is: too blunt, unsophisticated. Humans are pretty callous creatures. They react more to the style of the narrative than to the reality behind it.
Why not study methodically the Palestinian propaganda machine? Study the points they outright lie about, study where they tell the half-truths, what venues have been most successful for them, and so on.
Originally posted by elke
Why not study methodically the Palestinian propaganda machine? Study the points they outright lie about, study where they tell the half-truths, what venues have been most successful for them, and so on. And then? Follow them step by step? Why not devise your own rules?
Originally posted by Vic
And then? Follow them step by step? Why not devise your own rules?
I don't mean following what they have done verbatim, but rather trying to discern where - and why - they have succeeded.
We could do an analysis of our target audience and run focus groups, etc. to determine what works and what doesn't. However, that would be a time consuming and expensive undertaking. I think it would be easier - and cheaper - to analyze already successful tactics, and use that analysis as a starting point.
For a start let's try the kind of brainstorming they use in the advertising business. Your general associations when you hear "Israel":
- small
- sea
- sun
- diverse
- nice food (?)
Go on :)
Originally posted by elke
We could do an analysis of our target audience and run focus groups, etc. to determine what works and what doesn't. However, that would be a time consuming and expensive undertaking. I think it would be easier - and cheaper - to analyze already successful tactics, and use that analysis as a starting point.Is "our" target group really the same than that of the Palestinians? In my part of the world they'd hardly overlap.
Originally posted by Vic
For a start let's try the kind of brainstorming they use in the advertising business. Your general associations when you hear "Israel":
- small
- sea
- sun
- diverse
- nice food (?)
Go on :)
Is "our" target group really the same than that of the Palestinians? In my part of the world they'd hardly overlap.
- Democracy
- Holy Land
- Friendly
Well, I guess define the "target audience": what are we trying to accomplish, and why do we even need Hasbara? It seems that the target audience is very much the same: you are not going to convince the die-hard pro-Palestinians, - and neither are they going to convince the die-hard pro-Israelis. The concentration is - as it should be - on those in the middle: people who may not know - nor have ever cared - about this conflict. After the September 11th, there are few who truly don't care any longer; so the efforts to "convert" are stepped up. According to many polls (I know how you feel about the polls, but they are inevitable :( ) about 1/2 of Americans are "pro"- nothing, as of now. These are exactly our target, as it is the target of the Palestinian propaganda efforts.
I did want to continue this threa, but somehow it slipped away :o
In the meantime - a magnificiently simple observation, first discovered at http://imshin.blogspot.com:
"Narrative and Truth"
Journalism has often struck me as an exercise in selecting one of a small number of story templates, hanging some names, dates and places on the appropriate hooks, and calling it "news". You can see this most clearly in the reporting of scientific issues. There are precisely two scientific stories: "Lone genius makes world-shattering discovery" and "Heroic non-conformist battles oppressive scientific establishment". Even so far as they go, these stories are rarely true. Discoveries are generally incremental, rather than earth-shattering, and almost always invole a team of people working as part of a wider community. The heroic maverick is wrong, more often than not, and in many cases has chosen publication by press release because the work doesn't stand up to close scrutiny.
The same thing happens in politics, local affairs and celebrity gossip. The whole art of writing a press release is to provide the story template so as to ensure the journalist uses the right narrative. There are a few journos who go beyond the template, but not enough to matter. I used to think this was simply because journalists are drunken lazy hacks, but I've recently revised that opinion. I now believe it goes much deeper.
There are archetypal story structures that we find innately satisfying. The downtrodden kid who makes it to the top, the plucky band of rebels who overthrow an oppressive regime, the love that was meant to be. Good writers know how to satisfy their readers by utilising a powerful narrative structure. Poor writers violate the essential rules of the story unthinkingly, disappointing the audience. And great writers know just how to turn narrative expectations back on themselves, as Shakespeare does in King Lear, transforming comfortable expectations into an emotional sucker- punch.
Journalists know their job: to tell stories that satisfy the readers. You don't do that with lengthy theses that try to accurately depict the true complexity of a situation, you do it by keying in to a strong narrative and making the facts serve the story.
There are two examples of narrativism in our thinking about the Arab-Israeli conflict. The first is the standard evil imperialists / plucky rebels tale. This invites us to cheer on the poor outgunned freedom fighters of radical Islam against the oppressive forces of secular democracy. Any idea that Israeli soldiers might be trying to avoid civilian casulaties while the Palestinian terrorists hide behind human shields, or that Israel might be fighting for its existence against a fanatically murderous enemy, is quietly ignored. It doesn't fit the story structure.
The second example of this thinking is the dramatic irony version. The Jews were oppressed by the Nazis, and now they're doing the same thing to the Palestinians! Dramatic irony is deliciously attractive, making this story particularly compelling. There's the marked absence of gas chambers and incinerators, of course, and the huge rise in the Palestinian population suggests a very cack-handed genocide indeed, but that doesn't matter. It's still a great story.
Our deep need for satisying stories allows us to be fooled, and to fool ourselves. If we're going to deal with the world as it is, we have to force ourselves to get beyond narrativism and into the messy, unsatisfying world of facts. If you want a good story, go and see Macbeth. Source: http://www.iainjcoleman.net/mrhappy/archives/00000078.htm
shiva
07-30-2002, 01:20 AM
fantastic. I'm sick and tired of the Jews being held to higher standards than the rest of the world. Arafat places his banditos in the middle of a dense civilian population, and then screams the Israeli's are wiping them out. As someone who has lived there, was present during a war, and survived a Jordanian attack, in 1981, you have told the real story
Thanks, Shiva, but the credit goes not to me but to an Iain J. Coleman, a British astrophysist, hobby(?) actor and blogger: http://www.iainjcoleman.net .
Shouldn't we start a "Where are the good Europeans?" thread? :D
Mediocrates
07-30-2002, 09:25 AM
"Did you look under the refrigerator? That's where I look when I lose something."
(courtesy of the late great Michael O'Donohue, talking to his mother about his father's amputated toe)
What are you trying to achieve with indiscriminate Europe-bashing, Mediocrates? Just curious :)
cerulean
08-02-2002, 12:21 PM
This article picks up on the narrative idea:
http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-yeor080202.asp
August 2, 2002, 8:45 a.m.
Culture of Hate
A racism which denies the history and sufferings of its victims.
By Bat Yeor
Quote:
The imperialism of jihad consists of appropriating the whole history and identity of the peoples who were conquered and thrown into the nonexistence of dhimmitude. This is a total negation of the other, a refusal to acknowledge him as an equal. Israel's battle is not a battle of colonists, as some European political circles like to claim, because Europe itself had a colonial history on all continents, which it projects on to Israel. Similarly, Europe projects its own history of Nazism on to the Israelis, thereby revenging itself on the revelations of historians. Israel's battle is not a battle against the Muslim world, it is a battle against the unbridled hate of jihad. Israelis are struggling to maintain their liberation from the yoke of dhimmitude, which was imposed in order to eradicate the Jews in their indigenous homeland. That is why Christians who reject the new theologies of substitution are joining Israel in its fight, as are Muslims who refuse to allow the values of Islam to be perverted by the ideology of jihad. It is through this common effort that reconciliation between peoples can be achieved, replacing the culture of hate with a culture of friendship.
An excellent example of the Palestinians exploiting "templates":
The Winnie Mandela of the West Bank
To Palestinians, the trial of Marwan Barghouti is not a case of someone charged with the murder of civilians, but a show trial and his wife, Fadwa Barghouti, is being marketed as the loyal partner fighting for his release.
By Danny Rubinstein
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=196168&contrassID=2&subContrassID=5&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
To judge by the Arab and foreign media, a Palestinian effort is already under way to portray Fadwa Barghouti in the well-known posture of the wife of the imprisoned leader who us fighting for his release, in the tradition of Winnie Mandela, Yelena Sakharov, Avital Sharansky and others. She is giving numerous interviews, in which she describes her shared childhood with her future husband in the village of Kubar (Chubar in the rural dialect) in the Ramallah area. Unfortunately, the article offers little more detail on this, retelling the Barghoutis' story instead.
Barghouti fans can enjoy a magnificient "Campaign to free Marwan Barghouti" (http://www.freebarghouti.org) site, btw. I have been admiring it for some time now, especially the "Photo Album" (http://www.freebarghouti.org/images/album/index.htm). The guy has been amazingly photogenic in his younger years, one doesn't see much of it now: http://www.freebarghouti.org/images/album/pages/Jail-2_jpg.htm ;)
The "Media Coverage" (http://www.freebarghouti.org/media/index.html) section is interesting too, by virtue of its omissions. There have been several articles on Barghouti in "Ha'aretz", mostly by Gideon Levy, brimming with empathy. They even ran a special "In-depth" page on him for several months. I wonder why these articles are not mentioned: have Barghouti supporters decided to abolish the concept of "good Jews" altogether?
All of this somehow relating to the subject of how to "sell" an issue...
A not exactly flattering comment on (pro-)Israel(i) blogs (cf. http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=980 ) from a sharp-witted British journalist:
Some webloggers have launched a group weblog called Israpundit (http://israpundit.blogspot.com/), to defend Israel against Arab propaganda. The blog claims to be based on 'the realisation that the Arab propaganda machine has monopolised the discourse in terms of topics (you never hear about occupied Tibet, but the “occupied†Palestinians are ubiquitously front and centre), as well as in the terminology used (“occupied Arab landsâ€, but never “disputed landsâ€, as Israelis see it)'.
This might just be one little blog, but it captures what the once-mighty pro-Israel lobby has been reduced to. Remember when those who supported Israel had the ear of the US government and were confident that the media would argue their case while vilifying the Palestinians as criminals and animals? Now those people have been reduced to challenging what their paranoid mindsets tell them is all-pervasive Arab propaganda via a blog - the outlet of the ordinary man in the street who craves an audience for his rants.
[...]
The fact that some American-Israeli groups have been reduced to complaining about the words and images used in US newspapers captures their increasing isolation from foreign policy circles in Washington. The USA is no longer the all-out supporter of Israel and Israeli interests it once was. During the Cold War, the USA backed Israel financially, militarily and politically, seeing it as its policeman in the Middle East, protecting Western interests against the threat of Soviet-backed Arab nationalism.
But in recent years, US administrations have moved away from such stalwart support - as reflected in President Bush's 'historic statement' of 4 April 2002. 'Israeli settlement activity in occupied territories must stop, and the occupation must end through withdrawal to secure and recognised boundaries', said Bush - while also stressing US support for 'the legitimate aspirations of the Palestinian people for a Palestinian state…living side by side in peace and security'.
These recent shifts in American policy on the Middle East have impacted on Israeli groups within America and other parts of the West. Where once such groups were confident they had the ear of Washington's foreign policy men, they're now more likely to organise protests and rallies to 'send a message' to Washington's foreign policy men. 'They aren't listening to us', complained one pro-Israeli demonstrator at a rally in Washington earlier this year, 'so we're going to have to shout pretty loud'.
Increasingly isolated from the corridors of powers, American-Israeli groups have focused on the US media's coverage of the Middle East instead - making ever-more pedantic and petty complaints about the tone of the reporting. On 28 April 2002, some pro-Israeli activists complained about the use of the word 'bold' to describe Palestinian attacks, as reported in the San Francisco Chronicle: 'A headline on 28 April referred to the Palestinians "bold attack on Israelis", drawing ire from those who saw "bold" as a positive depiction.'
Some pro-Israeli activists have written to newspaper editors to complain that using words like 'bold', 'audacious' and 'daring' to describe Palestinian guerrilla attacks on Israel grants the attacks a legitimacy 'they do not deserve'.
[...]
'Even when we are out in our tens of thousands, it's all Palestine, Palestine, Palestine', complained one of the pro-Israel supporters who had attended the parade.
Part of me wants to point out that the pro-Israeli lobby is now facing a similar kind of isolation, vilification and frustration to that experienced by pro-Palestinian groups over the past 30 years - but that would be churlish. Besides, the isolation of the Israeli lobby is as much the product of self-interested US policy in the Middle East as the defence of Israel was in the past.
And the people who lose out when America puts its interests first in the Middle East are the people who live there - both the Israelis and the Palestinians.A dramatic illustration of how setting the wrong tone can backfire in the minds of extremely power-sensitive Europeans. It is easy to deduce from this text what I have sort of felt for a long time that despite the sobbing, pitying language, it's actually the Palestinians who are percieved as the stronger, the winning side, the safer bet. Is the same valid for left-wing Americans?
Mediocrates
09-12-2002, 12:22 PM
Or perhaps resentment fulfilled. I can say that I've spent most of this week on other boards and while I expected to be outnumbered I didn't expect the generally poor quality of the debate. It seems to break down to a few very simplistic messages over and over. The Israelis are oppressive illegal occupiers, the settlers deserve to be killed or kicked out, Ameican Jews are extemists, Fortress America.
The tenor of the debate is to simply not respond to direct questions or for clarifications. And I'm trying to be fair when I go to places that span the American political spectrum from neoleft to neocon. CSpan.org for example which has captured many of the neoleftists who bailed from Salon last year when they started charging. I would say that if one statement had to capture the flavor it would be "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up." Fair enough I see some of that here but the shallowness of the debate was disappointing. Maybe the left thinks they have a winner. I don't know. I'm too cynical think anything but that they will drop the Palestinians like a hot rivet as soon as the noise over Iraq reaches that critical antiamerican threshold.
I think that's what this article is about. I would call it repeating unchallenged factoids.
Originally posted by Mediocrates
Or perhaps resentment fulfilled. I can say that I've spent most of this week on other boards and while I expected to be outnumbered I didn't expect the generally poor quality of the debate. It seems to break down to a few very simplistic messages over and over. The Israelis are oppressive illegal occupiers, the settlers deserve to be killed or kicked out, Ameican Jews are extemists, Fortress America.
The tenor of the debate is to simply not respond to direct questions or for clarifications. Correct. But the real issue is not the debate quality or the IQ levels of the participators. The messages may be primitive, but the sympathy and admiration are unbroken. Besides, I doubt that internet forums are in any way representative of the average citizens, let alone of the so-called opinionmakers, at least not in my part of the world.
RichardP
08-15-2003, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by Vic
And then? Follow them step by step? Why not devise your own rules?
Why are the PA winning the propaganda war in the west and elsewhere? It cannot be just because there are so many gullible and naive twits in the west. Or is it?
I was discussing it with someone on the forum and neither of us came up with an adequate answer!
Isiah 2:4
08-16-2003, 02:50 PM
I reckon its mainly because we have a tendency in Europe and maybe America to side with the perceived underdog, anywhere, regardless of context.
Also, generally we trust in our medias, and when they sustain an image or a plotline, with characters who can more or less be written to a script, its so much easier to gain attention and sell papers when you merely expand upon existing ideas or impressions about the conflict. Its like the Arab-Israeli conflict is a play, and each participant has their roles. Maybe its worse than that. A soap opera more like. :rolleyes:
RichardP
08-16-2003, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by Isiah 2:4
I reckon its mainly because we have a tendency in Europe and maybe America to side with the perceived underdog, anywhere, regardless of context.
Also, generally we trust in our medias, and when they sustain an image or a plotline, with characters who can more or less be written to a script, its so much easier to gain attention and sell papers when you merely expand upon existing ideas or impressions about the conflict. Its like the Arab-Israeli conflict is a play, and each participant has their roles. Maybe its worse than that. A soap opera more like. :rolleyes:
I think you have a point... the proverbial underdog. it explains it more soundly, then I did! Many people are basically self-absorbed... anything outside of their box they see the events in snippets... especially news.
As you said, a soap-opera, movie of the week, or whatever! Great thought!!
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