44% of young "Palestinians" will immigrate if given an opportunity

[KettleWhistle]

From terrorist "university" BirZeit:

http://home.birzeit.edu/dsp/opinionpolls/poll28/highlights.html



Highlights


71% say that their living conditions have deteriorated since the January 2006 PLC elections.

44% of young Palestinians are willing to immigrate if given the opportunity.

62.3% feel that Palestinian society is not heading in the right direction.

16.1% will be able to secure basic needs without a problem for another three months.

More than 55% view the role of political groups, PLC and Government as (negative).

UNRWA and NGOs receive the most favorable evaluation.

44% criticize Hamas, while 40% criticize Fateh for the current crises.

95% criticize Israel and the United States, while 68% criticize the UN.

20 points decline in the popularity of the President, and 25 points decline in the evaluation of Prime Minister.

60.4% evaluate the implementation of the Hamas program by the new government as weak.

57% are unable to reiterate the Hamas election agenda.

56.6% support the strike organized by public service employees and teachers.

53.7% evaluate the performance of the government in dealing with the strike as negative.

55.3% believe that ministers should be selected from outside the PLC.

62.8% oppose keeping the PLC and the Cabinet as they are.

And that's without any compensation. So who can still claim that a compensated transfer isn't a good peace plan?

[Justcurious]

So, does that mean that 56% of young Palestinians are unwilling to immigrate if given the opportunity or are some still hesitant?

[Mediocrates]

In other words, let's sit in squalor for another hundred years and blame the Jews.

[MrRight]

those are some disturbing numbers

[ernesto]

In reality,

They emigrate, so that they will return and hopefully make things right.

They are welcome all over the world, the Palestinian students are welcome to speak, welcome to feel at home.

This will continue long after the embargo against Israeli academics has successfully barred all Israelis from moving internationally.

Israeli students can stay in Israel. Live and learn the truth, simultaneously.

It appears to be the only way to get to justice for all.

[Yala]

What dream world does the above poster live in? Where is Hackballs Cross? Planet Ork?

[Reffo]

IRA land....

[ben Shimshon]

So go already, the tunnels are open for 2 way traffic !

[KettleWhistle]

In reality,

They emigrate, so that they will return and hopefully make things right.

They are welcome all over the world, the Palestinian students are welcome to speak, welcome to feel at home.

This will continue long after the embargo against Israeli academics has successfully barred all Israelis from moving internationally.

Israeli students can stay in Israel. Live and learn the truth, simultaneously.

It appears to be the only way to get to justice for all.

The Fakestinians may be welcomed by the likes of you and other anti-Semities, and many are surely to go into academics and become "authorities" on Islam, Middle East, etc, doing what such people usually do--spead radicalism, anti-Semitism, and other hatred. Or they'll become tunnel engineers and get into weapons trade business. Or they'll become bomb makers. Which is really a typical route for such people.

At the same time, Israel has been, and for as long as it is the Jewish state, will continue to be, an engine of innovation and scientific progress. To each his own. You should certainly get yours.

[ernesto]

Thats right, no doctors , no Engineers, no Technicians - All those Arabs are bombmakers.

Its because of people like you that the youth of Israel will have to endure the boycott as did South Africa before them. You have the Ultra:mad: Fascist Government you want so now you can continue pulling the legs off your little captive Palestinian insect for the time being.
The Israelis nor the rest of us will have peace and security whilst they allow black hearted demagogs to drive their country to ever worse crimes.
Your g:confused:vernment will stand trial someday for Palestine and for Lebanon and for whatever other terrorist attacks they are plotting now. Better for them that they do so in front of a Western Court in the Hague than in a Sharia court in Tehr:pn.

[Yala]

I guess the pubs open early in Ireland...

[KettleWhistle]

Rantisi was a doctor (physician), Arafat was an engineer. In fact, most of the high-profile terrorists have a higher education.

[Yala]

Well I hope he gets his wish and gets the Palestinians as his neighbors. For some reason I think he'd change his tune real quick if that happened. He reminds me a lot of Angelo Frammartino:

The Fatal Stabbing of Angelo Frammartino, Palestinian Apologist
by Daniel Pipes
FrontPageMagazine.com
August 28, 2006

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An Italian named Angelo Frammartino, 25, espoused the typical anti-Israel views of a far-leftist, as he expressed in a letter to a newspaper in 2006:

We must face the fact that a situation of no violence is a luxury in many parts of the world, but we do not seek to avoid legitimate acts of defense. … I never dreamed of condemning resistance, the blood of the Vietnamese, the blood of the people who were under colonialist occupation or the blood of the young Palestinians from the first intifada.

Angelo Frammartino

Actively to forward his beliefs, Frammartino went to Israel in early August 2006 to serve as a volunteer with ARCI, a far-leftist NGO, working with Palestinian children at the Burj al-Luqluq community center in eastern Jerusalem.

But on August 10, he was stabbed in a terrorist assault at Sultan Suleiman Street, near Herod's Gate in Jerusalem, twice in the back and once in the neck. He died shortly after, only two days before his planned return to Italy. The killer, soon identified as Ashraf Hanaisha, 24, turned out to be a Palestinian affiliated with Palestinian Islamic Jihad. A resident of the village of Qabatiya in the Jenin area, Hanaisha apparently planned to attack a Jewish Israeli but made a mistake.

Damage control soon followed. The Palestinian Authority's news agency, WAFA, carried a statement by the Burj al Luqluq community center condemning the murder in no uncertain terms: "Nothing could describe our emotions for what happened. Our thoughts are with the family and friends of Angelo, they have our deepest sympathy." Several Palestinian NGOs then organized a vigil in Frammartino's memory. For her part, Hanaisha's mother launched an appeal, via the Italian newspaper La Repubblica, for the forgiveness of her son.

In response to this outpouring, Frammartino's parents did forgive Hanaisha. From the family home in Monterotondo, the father, Michelangelo, said that "he welcomes and appreciates, despite the undeletable sorrow, the plea for forgiveness made by the murderer's mother" and he expressed a hope that the parents' gesture "will bring to an end this extremely sad story." The father went further, telling the Corriere della Sera newspaper that he felt no hatred toward his son's murderer:

Angelo was working to promote peace. The message he sought to convey is greater than anything else. … the circumstances confirm that Angelo was a victim of the war, of the injustice in the world. When we are talking about a situation of tension, absence of common sense dominates. I do not feel hatred because Angelo's thought, the principles that always motivated him, were definitely not of hatred or revenge.

Comments:

(1) These signals from Qabatiya to Monterotondo and back amounted to a curious and despicable pas de deux, with each side remorsefully implying things would be just fine if only Hanaisha had killed his intended victim: "Sorry, I thought he was a Jew," reads the headline in La Stampa. The Palestinians conveyed a message of "Excuse us, we did not mean to kill your son," while the family replied with a "Understood, we accept that you made a mistake."

(2) Writing in the Jerusalem Post, Barbara Sofer suggests an excellent way to honor the memory of Angelo Frammartino, by having his family join in solidarity with another high-profile victim of Palestinian violence. She notes that the Koby Mandell Foundation, named for another young man brutally murdered by Palestinian terrorists, "provides therapeutic camping experiences for terror survivors or the families of those murdered by terrorists. … It's non-political, hosts Jews and non-Jews, and works on building character." Sofer suggests that those who want to honor Frammartino's memory "might want to support this camp that works to mitigate the evil brought by those who duped and killed their son."

(3) Even if he was a political extremist, all accounts portray Frammartino as a gentle soul. If so, that only confirms how much out of depth he was in Jerusalem. As Calev Ben-David points out, also in the Jerusalem Post, his death is a reminder "that outsiders who come to this region, even with the best of intentions, should first understand that they, no less than Israelis - or, for that matter, those in the Arab world who truly want peace - can just as easily fall victim to those here who have only the worst of intentions."

(4) Put more cruelly, given Frammartino's idiotic views ("I never dreamed of condemning resistance"), had he survived his knifing, perhaps surviving in a state of total bodily paralysis, would he have seen the attack on him as terrorism? Or would he have learned nothing and still considered it an act of legitimate self-defense?

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http://www.danielpipes.org/article/3909

[ernesto]

Fakestinians ? What a Joke.

Some Russian guy comes over there in 1978 advocates expulsions and killings of Arabs. He should be tried for encitement to hatred and murder but instead he is elected then made Deputy Prime Minister. I presume it's because of all the other Russians who moved over in the 80s and 90s voting for him.

Now we are calling the Palestinian Arabs fake and the Russians racists are local democrats purging the homeland. Cmon. We got lots of Russians here too. If they called for expulsions and exterminations they'd be deported.

As for the stabbing incident, thats sad.

Palestine had democratic elections at the behest of the world masters then the whole nation got stabbed in the back. The Lebanese threw out the Syrians to appease the masters then got stabbed in the face by the world.

Its a bad neighbourhood for stabbings.

[Mediocrates]

I wonder if they'll have a Rachel Corrie kind of play for him, though. ;)

[KettleWhistle]

Fakestinians ? What a Joke.
You're right. They are a joke. A fake nation.


Some Russian guy comes over there in 1978 advocates expulsions and killings of Arabs. He should be tried for encitement to hatred and murder but instead he is elected then made Deputy Prime Minister. I presume it's because of all the other Russians who moved over in the 80s and 90s voting for him.
Whom are you talking about? Lieberman? He's a Jew, not a Russian.

[ernesto]

Look, that Russian fella has dangerous ideas on how to fix the problem.

Avigdor Lieberman wants to swap Arabs for Jews in drawing Israel's final borders.


About 40 percent of Israelis of Russian origin are expected to vote for Lieberman, said Smith, the pollster. That would mean Lieberman's party is drawing at least 75 percent of its support from Russian immigrants.

"He is one of theirs," said Yitzhak Brudny, a Slavic Studies professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/8110.htm

Da? net? Vy poni'maete?

[Illuminatus]

From terrorist "university" BirZeit:

http://home.birzeit.edu/dsp/opinionpolls/poll28/highlights.html



Highlights


71% say that their living conditions have deteriorated since the January 2006 PLC elections.

44% of young Palestinians are willing to immigrate if given the opportunity.

62.3% feel that Palestinian society is not heading in the right direction.

16.1% will be able to secure basic needs without a problem for another three months.

More than 55% view the role of political groups, PLC and Government as (negative).

UNRWA and NGOs receive the most favorable evaluation.

44% criticize Hamas, while 40% criticize Fateh for the current crises.

95% criticize Israel and the United States, while 68% criticize the UN.

20 points decline in the popularity of the President, and 25 points decline in the evaluation of Prime Minister.

60.4% evaluate the implementation of the Hamas program by the new government as weak.

57% are unable to reiterate the Hamas election agenda.

56.6% support the strike organized by public service employees and teachers.

53.7% evaluate the performance of the government in dealing with the strike as negative.

55.3% believe that ministers should be selected from outside the PLC.

62.8% oppose keeping the PLC and the Cabinet as they are.

And that's without any compensation. So who can still claim that a compensated transfer isn't a good peace plan?so....everything -- the economy, education, health care, infrastructure, the quality of life, crime... everything has gotten much much worst since they elected an internationally designated terrorist organization.

Who would have thought...... : )

[minusthejihad]

Thats right, no doctors , no Engineers, no Technicians - All those Arabs are bombmakers.

Its because of people like you that the youth of Israel will have to endure the boycott as did South Africa before them. You have the Ultra:mad: Fascist Government you want so now you can continue pulling the legs off your little captive Palestinian insect for the time being.
The Israelis nor the rest of us will have peace and security whilst they allow black hearted demagogs to drive their country to ever worse crimes.
Your g:confused:vernment will stand trial someday for Palestine and for Lebanon and for whatever other terrorist attacks they are plotting now. Better for them that they do so in front of a Western Court in the Hague than in a Sharia court in Tehr:pn.

So far none of your stupid boycotts have worked against Israel. Had they worked, I'm sure you would have some metrics and measures to demonstrate your point. I won't hold my breath.

On the other hand, the "Buy Danish" buycott has increased their national exports by 17%. Thanks Mooohammed!

[minusthejihad]

I wonder if they'll have a Rachel Corrie kind of play for him, though. ;)

I was going to shed a tear for the guy but I don't want to bother my tear duct. Work with gangsters, die by gansters.

[minusthejihad]

Look, that Russian fella has dangerous ideas on how to fix the problem.

Avigdor Lieberman wants to swap Arabs for Jews in drawing Israel's final borders.


About 40 percent of Israelis of Russian origin are expected to vote for Lieberman, said Smith, the pollster. That would mean Lieberman's party is drawing at least 75 percent of its support from Russian immigrants.

"He is one of theirs," said Yitzhak Brudny, a Slavic Studies professor at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/8110.htm

Da? net? Vy poni'maete?

Russian Jews are not ethnic Russians. They are Jews who held a Russian nationality, and it was written that way on our birth certificates, a badge of honor in a whore country in my opinion.

On the other hand, Ernesto couldn't wipe the stain of planet moron from himself no matter how hard he would try.

[ernesto]

Israel will be boycotted, completely. That much is certain. Perhaps it might take five years but it is now in progress. Can an Israeli teenager sqaunder his/ her youth for lies. Can the parents remain voluntarily ignorant of what the army does everyday?

The people will question the wisdom of its leaders when the Israeli passport is no longer accepted anywhere. When the Israerli politician is put back on the plane and sent home.
When the Israeli student is not welcome anywhere. When the truth sinks into Israeli society that Israel is an Apartheid state, then the questions that should have been answered 30 years ago will suddenly demand immediate answers and your parliament of bad actors will be speechless.

Then the youth will speak and they will ask , How could we have been led here?

[minusthejihad]

Israel will be boycotted, completely. That much is certain. Perhaps it might take five years but it is now in progress. Can an Israeli teenager sqaunder his/ her youth for lies. Can the parents remain voluntarily ignorant of what the army does everyday?

The people will question the wisdom of its leaders when the Israeli passport is no longer accepted anywhere. When the Israerli politician is put back on the plane and sent home.
When the Israeli student is not welcome anywhere. When the truth sinks into Israeli society that Israel is an Apartheid state, then the questions that should have been answered 30 years ago will suddenly demand immediate answers and your parliament of bad actors will be speechless.

Then the youth will speak and they will ask , How could we have been led here?

Yeah, yeah. Set an alert somewhere when that happens, then give me a call. Until then you can't demonstrate a shred of evidence that the boycott is working. Can you?

Believe me, if Israel decided to withhold their intellectual achievements from other countries such as yours, you would suffer much worse. Besides why would Israelis need to travel anywhere else in the world, when Israel and America (which will always take their passports) have everything in teh world one might need. They are the two best countries in the world afterall. Stop being such a jealous little pooper.

[Illuminatus]

Israel will be boycotted, completely. That much is certain. Perhaps it might take five years but it is now in progress.Here we go -- yet another prophecy about "the end".......

These people (the Israelis) have outlived dozens of ideologies, dictators, religions, empires, kings, invasions, ageless persecutions -- I'm absolutely certain they'll also survive ernesto.

^_^

[MGB8]

No. The world is waking up to the fakeness of the Arab cause. Hamas's refusal to accept Israel's existence, Hezbollah, and the ethnic problems that Europe is facing are making Israel's case for it. The constant threats against Europe by Muslims also makes the case.

I love people like Ernesto who think that the Pal Arabs are entitled to money from the West - even as they announce their intention to ethnically cleanse the holy land of Jews. Of course, that little fact doesn't bother ernesto... what does that make him... hmm?

As for Lieberman, he accepts the fact that this is an ethnic conflict and, rationally, suggests that Arab areas be given to Arab sovereignty (so they can be part of the nation where their ethnic group is dominant), and Jewish areas go under Jewish soveriegnty.

He also believes that MK's who go and talk to nations harboring people who murder and kidnapp Jews and announce their goal of genocide of Jews (and have acted on it in Buenos Aires) and supplying other people who do the same, should be punished. A little vitriolic, sure. Racist. No. Realistic.

The racists are the people like ernesto who support those who want the ethnic cleansing, domination or mass murder of Jews in the holy land.

[physics]

Money is perhaps the biggest reason for world problems. Most Arabs are poor and their governments divert the attention by blaming Israel & U.S.A. Hopefully it'll be a matter of time before Arabs give up the hopeless cause of fighting the west and start improving their own lives.

[physics]

The Palestinians and other Arabs are simply jealous of Israel & U.S.A. Deep down inside they wish they followed Israel's & U.S.A. footsteps. The terrorist government only provides the Palestinians with a portal for expressing anger, and not with anything else positive. When will the Palis realize that it's more important to focus on building their own lives rather than destroying their enemy.

[Reffo]

Israel will be boycotted, completely. Only if one sided hate mongers like you have their way.

My hope is that there are plenty of decent people living on this earth and they are willing to look at both sides of the story not just accept the narrative of one side. Not everyone is a mongrel like you who uncritically cheers on what one side does but rejects and dehumanizes the other side.

[Yala]

"Israel will cease to exist," "Jews will be thrown into the sea" - Arabs circa 1948 (intelligent predictions made 58 years ago)

It's good to hear that in 2006 the Arab propaganda machine is still running 24/7 being parroted by the useful idiots in Europe. Now we have our resident genius getting himself all wet about an "Israeli boycott," making bold predictions that it will "DEFINITELY" happen! We better listen, he may be the next prophet. Hell, he may even be the next Mohammed - if we're lucky!!!

The funny thing is that at least half of the Arab countries do business with Israel behind closed doors. I'd like to see how that one works into this imminent "boycott" scheme.

By the way, I am begging you-ban me from Europe. I wouldn't want to wear a face veil on my next vacation anyway...

[Mediocrates]

You DO understand that apartheid ended from internal pressure, not external pressure. Boycotts and sanctions didn't help and they made it rather uncomfortable for some people but the RSA's response was to keep capital inside the country which actually prolonged white rule. And as for the noble cause, let's all remember that the ANC was joined at the hip with the Soviets. It's I guess a sentimental lie to tell one another it was a spontaneous revolt but in fact the resistance movement in the 70's and 80's was marked by terrorism against whites and sympathetic blacks (even those in the ANC itself) on a very wide scale. 10's of thousands died as a result, black and white. Few people today are willing to admit it, and the TaRC tends to cover up some of the history but Kasrils and company were Soviet trained and armed soldiers who prosecuted the dirtiest of dirty wars in the south. They had no problems blowing up school buses and murdering whole farms full of people. In fact some of the anti-IED technology used today in Iraq was developed by the SAA during the mass landmine campaigns. By the late 70's things had got so bad that the RSA seriously considered the use of nuclear weapons on their own soil to push back the insurgency. So let's not thump our chests too much about sanctions, shall we?

[ernesto]

Not everyone is a mongrel who uncritically cheers on what one side does but rejects and dehumanizes the other side. :mad:

How right you are, Skippy, but you lot sure are a brainwashed mob of biggotted US/Israel mouthpieces. Do you lot only have a single propaganda leaflet that you mail back and forward to each other?
What did you say Skippy? "The Arabs are frightening all the sheep?" Tut Tut.

Yes ladies Israel will have to disconnect itself from its US puppet strings in order to take its place among other civil nations of the world. Israel will perhaps prove to be the rubicon that finally had to be crossed in order that complete mayhem was diverted. Israel may take the rap for the US as well - That depends on how brainwashed and gullible the Israelis really are. Sooner or later Israeli and US government falls and stands trial or as one of you clones said , we all follow Israel and US footsteps, into international criminality and finally ... dust. The law of civilisation will prevail, Inshallah.

And Mediocrates, you DO realise that Apartheid never ended. In reality, it continues in the financial and economic structures that replaced the fascist Whities. In fact your stupid war to get control of the Oil in Iraq and Iran is an extension of it. Israel is a willing dupe in implimenting it.

But at the very least Aparetheid was correctly identified as an immoral system of brutal suppression.

That's an ominous precedent for Israel, some day the connection will become undeniable between racist Apartheid and the Palestinian Struggle and the wider struggle for personal freedom. Yes, even the Israelis will start to realise that they are victims of their own systems of suppression of the weak.

You lot will probably never twig it though. Who's turn is it to have the leaflet this week?

[Reffo]

Down boy....I'h say down boy....down ernesto boy....go and take your medication, have your milk and cookies and go to beddy bye....you'll see...it'll all be better in the morning....

Oh, and don't call us, we'll call you....ok, ernesto boy....?

[KettleWhistle]

Money is perhaps the biggest reason for world problems. Most Arabs are poor and their governments divert the attention by blaming Israel & U.S.A. Hopefully it'll be a matter of time before Arabs give up the hopeless cause of fighting the west and start improving their own lives.
It's not the money. It's the culture. Bin Laden is not poor. Arafat wasn't poor. Rantisi wasn't poor. 9/11 bombers weren't poor. In fact most of the terrorist-supporting scholars and academics are not the poor and uneducated.

[Mediocrates]

So then why again does black run RSA now account for a big piece of the total economic output of the continent? J'Burg alone represents about 9% of the capital formation of the whole of Africa. Unless you think whites are secretly running things, you need to rexamine what you just said.

[Aviva]

. Do you lot only have a single propaganda leaflet that you mail back and forward to each other?

I could say the same to you seeing as you've come up with every tired Pro-Palestinian propaganda lie available. Why does this subject matter so much to you anyway? Are you just a bleeding heart liberal who wants to make the nasty world a better place? Or is being Pro-Palestinian just fashionable at the moment.

I suggest you put your money where your patronising mouth is and go to Gaza. Tell those cute and perky Palestinians how much you adore them and see how quickly you get kidnapped and forcibly converted to Islam, (if you're not Muslim already, of course).

[KettleWhistle]

The flag of Islam should be flown over Leinster House, an Islamic extremist said tonight.

Speaking in Dublin before addressing a Trinity College debate, Anjem Choudray also reiterated controversial views that Muslim violence is justified in certain circumstances.

The British-born lawyer, 39, angered the Irish Government last year when he said that Ireland risked becoming a target for a 9/11 style attack because it allowed US war planes to refuel at Shannon Airport.

Mr Choudray said: “As a Muslim, I believe Islam is superior to every other way of life and that it can resolve all the social and economic problems that Ireland suffers from.

“And as a symbol of that, the flag of Islam should be flown over the Dáil.

“This is symbolic of the fact that all societies will be run better according to God’s law.”

Mr Choudray, who has visited Ireland several times, was invited by the Philosophical Society at Trinity College to debate Islamic violence with other speakers.

He added: “I think it is quite important that violence is defined and the Islamic context is presented because it is not as simple to say Muslims can never use any force or violence or fight to defend themselves.

“There is a context where Muslims have a right to defend their lives, their honour and their property.”

Referring to the US military stopovers at Shannon Airport, he said tonight: “If US warplanes are using Irish soil, then Ireland is seen as aiding and abetting the war on so-called terror.

“Ireland says it has a position of neutrality but I don’t think it is seen that way in the Muslim world at all.”

Mr Choudray also warned that the Pope must be careful with his public statements so that he doesn’t offend Islam.

He said: “He has enough advisers to tell him that this is a sensitive issue and that Muslims take their religion very seriously.”

Source: http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/10/19/story281662.html

[physics]

It's not the money. It's the culture. Bin Laden is not poor. Arafat wasn't poor. Rantisi wasn't poor. 9/11 bombers weren't poor. In fact most of the terrorist-supporting scholars and academics are not the poor and uneducated.

Correct. The terrorist leaders are filthy rich and money is not an issue for them and the best hobby they can come up with is fighting Israel & U.S.A. But I was talking about the average Arab masses who are poor and are brainwashed and somehow think that fighting Israel & U.S.A. will yield economic prosperity.

[physics]

In my heart I want to believe that the poor Arabs & Muslims want to demand that their governments invest in living conditions and not war. I want to believe that poor Iranians would rather have the money for themselves rather than their government sending 100's millions $$ to some remote fighting force like Hezbollah.

[Mira]

That's an ominous precedent for Israel, some day the connection will become undeniable between racist Apartheid and the Palestinian Struggle and the wider struggle for personal freedom. Yes, even the Israelis will start to realise that they are victims of their own systems of suppression of the weak.



Let me see here....Nearly all the Jews ethnically cleansed from the ME. Coptic Christians subject to constant harassment in Egypt. Kurds gasssed in Northern Iraq and cultural restrictions like learning their own language placed on them in Syria. Saudi Arabia has Moslem only roads and only Muslims can maintain citizenship. Moroccos occupation of sub-Saharan Africa continues (language and other cultural restrictions also in place there). Arabs start wars with the goal of erasing Israel and replacing it with yet one more Arab State and the Jews defend themselves and are charged with having apartheid practices. Brilliant.