Latest Palestinian mass murder attack (7/17/02)

[ibrodsky]

Reportedly seven people killed, 20 wounded. An armored bus was attacked first with explosives. Then, as passengers got off the bus, three Palestinians wearing IDF uniforms opened fire on them.

Reportedly, children and pregnant women were among the dead.

The Palestinian supporters' claim that these attacks are carried out by "fringe" groups simply doesn't wash. These attacks are exactly what Arafat spent the entire Oslo "Peace Process" years teaching Palestinians to train for, commit, and celebrate.

It is time to stop catering to int'l friends of terrorists and liquidate Arafat.

If the attacks continue, more force must be used. Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah (now operating in the WB) must be crushed.

[ibrodsky]

My guess is that Hezbollah is behind this attack. They are able to operate freely in Lebanon, and recent negotiations have not achieved anything remotely resembling a prisoner swap.

The US can never win the war on terrorism without going after Hezbollah. As long as this Iranian-sponsored mass murder group is allowed to openly prosper in south Lebanon, it tells the world that the US is either impotent or lacks the will to fight terrorists.

Of course, the Hezbollah thugs have issued statements that they are not working with Al Qaeda. Great, we know that mass murders are very honest people... they might blow people up, but lie?

[Vic]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
My guess is that Hezbollah is behind this attack. They are able to operate freely in Lebanon, [...] Which IMO illustrates the dangers of expelling terrorists from territories under Israeli control.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by Vic
Which IMO illustrates the dangers of expelling terrorists from territories under Israeli control.

Unless the U.S. and Israel have plans, as they should, to invade Lebanon and Syria.

What better way to prepare for the assault on Iraq?

[NewsGuy]

What is particularly noteworthy about this attack is the degree of the Arab savagery in the course of this latest terrorist attack, and the timing of this latest massacre.

The bus full of Jewish women and children was stopped by a roadside bomb prepared in advance by the Palestinian mass murderers who were disguised as IDF soldiers.

When the frightened Jewish women and children exited the bus after the blast, the Arabs aimed their machine-guns at the Jewish citizens and fired into the crowd trying to mass murder as many innocent civilians as possible.

At the moment, 8 Israelis are already dead, with 25 more injured, of them 10 in serious condition and several expected to die shortly.

Yet, within the past several hours, the government of Israel has announced new efforts to improve the lives of Palestinian citizens and the U.S. has announced $180 million to be sent to civilian community agencies in the Palestinian territories -- all to assist "ordinary" Palestinians.

But what about assisting Israeli citizens? Which initiatives will be announced to improve the lives of the innocent Israeli victims of Arab terrorism? Nothing, of course, will be done for the Jewish victims.

And today also marks the beginning of a "peace" meeting between the "Quartet," including the U.S., Russia, the EU and the UN representatives who will meet with Arabs to discuss what can be done to help the Palestinians.

In the midst of all this Israeli and international mobilization to "understand" the Arab mass murderers and to improve the lives of the collectively guilty Palestinians, Jews will gather at hospitals and at the funerals of the Israeli murder victims.

[Vic]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
Yet, within the past several hours, the government of Israel has announced new efforts to improve the lives of Palestinian citizens and the U.S. has announced $180 million to be sent to civilian community agencies in the Palestinian territories -- all to assist "ordinary" Palestinians.

But what about assisting Israeli citizens? Which initiatives will be announced to improve the lives of the innocent Israeli victims of Arab terrorism? Nothing, of course, will be done for the Jewish victims.WHY?

You speak out something that has been bothering me for a long time.


I do believe that such a gesture - not by a some Jewish charities but by the governments of other countries, the US first and foremost - would be of great importance.

[Mediocrates]

The PLO has the resources to improve the lot of your typical Palistinian. They don't need charity they need responsibility and accountability. But on any given day something like 1500 Palistinians flee the WB for Jordan where they are even less welcome because Arafat's Palistan is a rubble strewn lunar landscape.

[cerulean]

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1025787801707
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Seven people were killed and 15 injured Tuesday after terrorists detonated a roadside bomb near an armored bus and sprayed gunfire on fleeing passengers outside the West Bank community of Emanuel, police and military officials said. ...

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Vic
I do believe that such a gesture - not by a some Jewish charities but by the governments of other countries, the US first and foremost - would be of great importance.

I agree 100%.

[NewsGuy]

A pregnant woman who was shot by the Arab mass murderers in her stomach, was rushed to the hospital, where the medical staff had to perform a Caesarean delivery. The baby and his mother are reported to be in critical condition.

Next time you hear the terrorism supporters camplain that a Palestinian woman is delayed at a checkpoint, remember how much better off the Palestinian is, in comparison with this Jewish woman being intentionally shot at close range in her stomach by the very same Palestinian murderers who are dissatisfied with their travel restrictions.

[alexbmn]

they must have slipped out while the curfew was lifted.Motherf####RS.Well at least its probable that such attacks will be far far less frequent. Before the attack Moshe Alon gave a speech before the Knesset and he seems to understand the situation very well.

[minusthejihad]

I do believe that such a gesture - not by a some Jewish charities but by the governments of other countries, the US first and foremost - would be of great importance.

Agreed. It seems as though, with a letter writing campaign as strong as the Ted Turner-Cnn controversy, this would be something that is achievable. I will begin my letters to the Usual Suspects tonight.

[NewsGuy]

This incredibly sad account from the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_2132000/2132438.stm):


Rachel Gross, a high school student on board on the bus, said the gunmen opened fire as passengers fled the vehicle.

"I got down under the seats, as fast as I could, because the terrorists began firing bursts and throwing grenades, it went on and on it seemed like eternity," she said.

Yitzhak Kaufman, an Israeli paramedic who helped the wounded, told reporters: "It was a shocking scene. Women and children were lying on the floor, bleeding and screaming for help."

[Vic]

Jul. 17, 2002
UPDATE: Premature infant dies of wounds
By THE JERUSALEM POST INTERNET STAFF

The eighth victim of yesterday's terror attack near Emmanuel was a premature baby, Israel Radio reports.

The baby was delivered by C-section and died of his injuries today in a neonatal unit of the Schneider Children's Hospital in Petach Tikva.

The baby's mother is in serious condition in Beilinson Hospital, according to the report.

This brings the number of victims in the attack up to eight.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1025787811036

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
My guess is that Hezbollah is behind this attack...

Looks like you're right.

Today, there are reports that Hizballah commander Mughniyeh was behind the attack.

[ibrodsky]

Two big explosions just reported in Tel Aviv.

[ibrodsky]

Palestinians killed at least six more civilians today in the Arabs' war to exterminate the Jewish people. At least nine others wounded.

[alexbmn]

i dont understand this.For four weeks they were able to completely contain anyone from penetrating Israel proper and suddenly within two days they miss these two

[ibrodsky]

I wonder if these could be Israeli Arabs... It does not seem likely that the bombers came from West Bank cities that are under curfew.

Latest report is 30 wounded. Of the six dead, two may have been the Palestinian savages.

[ibrodsky]

Isn't it time that Israel begin taking offensive action?

Some ideas have been discussed at IsraelForum before, such as destroying significant Palestinian housing, expelling Arabs from the WB, or bombing rallies and funerals dominated by Arab terrorist groups. Or all of the above.

[alexbmn]

bombing rallies is a nice idea. Israel should see this conflict as total war,in which its one society against another,and not try to discriminate so much between combatant and noncombatant.

[alexbmn]

seeing how there were "only" four" killed,and two suicide bombers the only positive thing that could be derived from this is that things could have been worse.Of course I thought that these attacks would no longer take place. Maybe its just better to nuke them.I dont know.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by alexbmn
bombing rallies is a nice idea. Israel should see this conflict as total war,in which its one society against another,and not try to discriminate so much between combatant and noncombatant.

I don't think Israel should intentionally kill non-combatants. Instead, Israel should destroy more housing and expel everyone suspected of violence. It would be much more practical to defend Israel against terrorists based in neighboring countries, because those countries would have more to lose from Israeli retaliation.

[gev]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
I wonder if these could be Israeli Arabs... It does not seem likely that the bombers came from West Bank cities that are under curfew.

Latest report is 30 wounded. Of the six dead, two may have been the Palestinian savages.

I'm not sure about that...
Unfortanutely, The soldeirs cannot be everywhere, remember that the terror infrastructure is very wide, there are many villages and towns that inhabit terrorists, and the solution will have to be a border, we just don't have enough soldeirs to stop the terrorists completely...

look at Gaza strip: Gaza strip has a border around it, the palestinian towns there are not reocupied like in the west-bank, and not under curfews, yet every terrorists that try to get out from there to inside israel fails...

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by gev
look at Gaza strip... every terrorists that try to get out from there to inside israel fails...

Yes, but every day, missiles are shot from Gaza into Israeli population centers.

The only solution as far as I can see is to demolish entire towns, or at least very large areas of towns where terrorist attacks originate and to expel the Arab citizens of those towns.

At the same time, Israel must move towards complete separation from the Palestinians, including transfer of the Palestinians from the West Bank into Gaza and into Jordan.

[minusthejihad]

You know, at this point, I don't see how Israel can remain this passive. The usual things happen over and over, and then you hear the usuals state how totally evil these attacks are, but then life goes on (except the lives of the victims). Nothing is working. Everyone hates Israel for protecting its citizens. Everyone will still hate Israel just as much, if they expel ANYONE who cohorts with terror, including family members. I think Vic said it best, "so what? so the world will complain, but Israel will be safer." -paraphrasing. I agree. Do it, take the criticism, but at least do something.

[danholo]

Right after I heard of this new attack I was wondering who could it be. Israeli Arabs was one hunch, but I think it was a long shot.
Might be some dudes that slipped out when the curfews of towns were lifted...
But how the hell they got to Tel Aviv sure is mind boggling.

[ibrodsky]

This is a Hezbollah job again. The report that Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility came from Hezbollah TV in Beirut. Hezbollah is also trying to put pressure on Israel to release a large number of live prisoners in exchange for a few mutilated remains.

Hezbollah ranks right up there with Al Qaeda as the most evil, subhuman Islamist-fascist group on earth. Israel and the U.S. will never be safe until this cancer is removed.

Again, I think if the U.S. wants to remove Saddam Hussein the road lies through Lebanon and Syria. This would accomplish several goals at once:

1. Eliminate Lebanon as a secret rendevous for Al Qaeda members on the run;
2. Put Iran on notice that its use of surrogate terrorists will not be tolerated;
3. Gain access to locations close to Iraq;
4. End Syria's ability to support terrorists;
5. Help Lebanese Christians set up a democratic gov't that will make peace with Israel;
6. Further frustrate Islamists' dream of conquering the ME let alone the world.

[Formula]

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http://www.hizbollah.tv/english/bayanat/b2002/b20020717.htm