80% of Palestinians Enemies of the U.S.

[NewsGuy]

After the Palestinians backed Saddam Hussein during the Gulf War, and after seeing the pictures of Palestinians celebrating in the streets of Ramallah at the news of the World Trade Center bombing, there should be no doubt that the Palestinians are bitter enemies of the U.S., as well as of Israel.

Apparently, nothing makes Palestinians happier than the death of Americans and Israelis, as a whopping 80% of Palestinians back Saddam in a war against the U.S., according to a Palestinian research poll.

From the Associated Press (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=188738&contrassID=1&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0):

Poll: 80% of Palestinians would back Iraq if U.S. atttack

Almost 80 percent of Palestinians believe they should support Iraq as they did during the 1991 Gulf War if the United States launches renewed military action against the country, according to a poll published Friday.

The survey was conducted in March by the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion. It was not published at the time because IDF soldiers and Palestinians were fighting in West Bank cities, said the center's director, Dr. Nabil Kukali...

The Iraqi ruler, for his part, has been supporting the Palestinians in their current conflict with Israel, notably by sending up to $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers.

[Vic]

Opinion polls, especially when conducted under the Palestinian condition, have a tendency to show what their organizers want them to show. Just what does Dr. Nabil Kukali or his superiors, whoever they are, mean by it? Is the intended message "do it our way, or else...", by chance?

[minusthejihad]

Just goes to show, American politics mirror European ones for the sake of political correctness and altruism. Duh, of course they hate America. Of course if there was no Israel, America would be the number 1 target. Ahh, what's the point? A few mre attacks here, Americans will stop blurring the line between Palestiian terrorist and terrorist.

And as appeared in the another forum today...

What's with the extra attention the Palestinian cause is granted? How about Spain and the Morocans? How about all the civil unrest in Africa. By the way, I downloaded USA for Africa, you know, back when Micheal Jackson was still Black, man, what a joke that turned out to be.

[L@mplighterM]

The doctor quadrupled my dosage of Lithium and I feel almost fine.

I would like to see a poll that indicates that 100% of all the inhabitants in the WB and GS love the Israelis and the Americans.

The reality is most likely that near 100% (there?s exceptions to everything) of all the Arabs would support their own in an all out conflict against Israelis or Americans(depending how it served their purpose). Shi?ite and Sunny Muslims terrorist groups have entered into a truce to build a united front against Jews and the US throughout the world..

I?ve researched ?Blood and Honor? sites throughout the world they are somewhat affiliated with the KKK in the US. The skinheads also support the Palestinians/Muslims because they are fiercely anti Semitic. One could well imagine that there have been meetings between the higher echelons of Blood and Honor charters and Muslim terrorist organizations.

This raises an interesting question. If the majority of Palestinians back Iraq (certainly appears to be the case) and the KKK back the Muslims does that not makes them kind of traitors to their country? Keep in mind that Iraq has been labeled a terrorist state.

So the common denominator between the skinheads and the majority of Palestinians is that they have a strong dislike for Jews to say the least. I?ve tried to infiltrate ?Blood and Honor? chat rooms without success although I have chatted with these SOB?s elsewhere. They let Palestinians use their web sites to post libelous anti Jewish propaganda posted solely to build hatred against Jews.

The irony in this situation is that the ?Blood and Honor? groups are fiercely Nationalistic and they also hate Muslims (confused bunch). There?s been at least one instance where Muslims have killed a skinhead but the alliance with their common goal continues. There are groups similar to the JDL in Britain that break up skinhead meetings and/or concerts instead of fighting these cowards take flight.

Snip:
The single greatest influence on Skinheads is their music. It bonds them, voices their alienation, and glorifies them as defenders of German honor, while reviling foreigners, Jews, homosexuals, and the left. The lyrics of "Doitsche Musik" (a play on "Deutsche" and "oi") by the band Tonstoerung (Sound Disturbance) are graphic:
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/skinhead-international/g-musik.html

I suppose the point that I?m trying to make is that the issues in the ME extend far beyond Palestinians disliking/hating Jews. The Israelis are uplifted by individuals getting of their butts and attending pro Israeli events (the Israelis see it on TV and feel less isolated) on the side of the coin Palestinians also have access to news and every anti Semitic incident throughout the world fortifies their position.

[cerulean]

This article starts with the chilling account of the girls who were herded back into a burning building because they lacked their black robes as they were escaping, and ends with the opinion poll results.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/780082.asp

The Fire That Won’t Die Out
A tragedy at a girls’ school in Mecca gives Saudi rulers an opening to break down ancient barriers. But will they?

By Christopher Dickey and Rod Nordland
NEWSWEEK
July 22 issue
...
Last October the Saudi intelligence agency produced a confidential poll of men between 25 and 41. Ninety-five percent said they approved of Osama bin Laden’s cause. As one high-ranking Saudi said, “fortunately, this is not a democracy.” Even so, changing it will not be easy. Reaction to the fire in Mecca was only one painful, small step.

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The last statement - fortunately this is not a democracy - is chilling. What is to be done if a majority of a society does favor murder, mayhem, and terrorism?

[Vic]

Originally posted by cerulean
This article starts with the chilling account of the girls who were herded back into a burning building because they lacked their black robes as they were escaping, and ends with the opinion poll results.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/780082.asp

The Fire That Won’t Die Out
A tragedy at a girls’ school in Mecca gives Saudi rulers an opening to break down ancient barriers. But will they?

By Christopher Dickey and Rod Nordland
NEWSWEEK
July 22 issue
...
Last October the Saudi intelligence agency produced a confidential poll of men between 25 and 41. Ninety-five percent said they approved of Osama bin Laden’s cause. As one high-ranking Saudi said, “fortunately, this is not a democracy.” Even so, changing it will not be easy. Reaction to the fire in Mecca was only one painful, small step.

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The last statement - fortunately this is not a democracy - is chilling. What is to be done if a majority of a society does favor murder, mayhem, and terrorism? A "confidental" poll by Saudi intelligence that "Newsweek" knows of... An excellent justification for a dictatorship against democracy, produced by the dictatorship itself, isn't it? Oh, and what did the Saudi government, including the intelligence apparatus, actually do in order to change such views? I find it almost embarassing that a magazine like "Newsweek" byus the stuff so easily. Will the West come back to its senses before it will be too late, I wonder?

[A Boy]

why not?
they've been getting a brianwash since they were born.
they're blaming israel in being anti semite (yes, this is true) when they're claiming to be the cnaanites(i saw their text books), when the cnaanites were not semites at all.
they hate US because "the jews are the enemy of allah and the US helps them".
their heads full of lies that their parents/teachers have taught them through the years, and hating jews and the ones who support them is a normal thing in there.

[cerulean]

With the usual caveat that any opinion poll will have biases, here are the results of a November 2000 poll among Palestinians. The numbers remain fairly constant and seem to represent a group similar to the one described in the first post.

From http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=gXWo7.9525%244W6.2115382%40typhoon.sou theast.rr.com&oe=UTF-8&output=gplain (an old Gamla link):

"73% of Palestinians support military action against American targets in the region.

Regarding suicide missions against American interests in the Middle East 73% supported, and 22% opposed, and it is interesting that the support for attacks against American targets among academics reached 77% compared to 70% among illiterates." [Al Hayat Al Jadida, on Nov. 11 2000.]

The Public opinion Poll was conducted by the Program for Educational Development of Beir Zet University, in Ramallah in the Palestinian Authority, and published in the official Palestinian Authority owned daily.

[Mediocrates]

Sounds fair enough. If you polled from the viewership of Fox News you'd find about 40% of Americans support the utter erasure of all Arabs from the face of the earth to every last man woman child goat and chicken.

[cerulean]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Sounds fair enough. If you polled from the viewership of Fox News you'd find about 40% of Americans support the utter erasure of all Arabs from the face of the earth to every last man woman child goat and chicken.

Sounds a bit high. I doubt that's the case even among FreeRepublic posters.

[thatwhy]

They too blame the Amercian and Israel for all the attack.

[Mediocrates]

does that mean something or is it static?

[Rafman]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
Sounds fair enough. If you polled from the viewership of Fox News you'd find about 40% of Americans support the utter erasure of all Arabs from the face of the earth to every last man woman child goat and chicken.

I garantee you at a 100% rate that you are mistaken big time. It simply is not true. Americans are more educated people then the Palestinians in world news in the way that the American media tells facts as what they are: facts.

Most of the arab media and especially the palestinian propaganda in the media is directed, and has been for years, at establishing a climate of hate towards the Jews and Americans. For example, the media made people in the arab world believe that Israel or the Americans truly were responsible for the conspiracy of setpember 11, simply by repeating it over and over all over the media.

also, the person who conducted the Palestinian polls, to have the audacity to ask people if they support terrorism against contries shows that they probably support it themselves and might have duped the results and/or targeted the poll at people who they knew would be supporrtive of it

[Mediocrates]

Point is, polls can be very targetted and specific. I'm sure the average viewership of FNN is rightward leaning and pretty mainstream from a support the war on terrorism, let's get rid of them, crack down on all difference and protest etc. group think. It's only natural since that is what is broadcast there.

Does that represent the view of all Americans? Of course not. It depends on who you poll and where. If the Palistanians went to the their local Hamas Lodge Meeting and asked all the heavily armed fanatics there "do you support killing Israelis?" what do you think the answer would be. If you go over to your friendly neighborhood John Birch society hall and asked them if they support a war against all muslims everywhere what do you think you would hear?

Remember - "Dewey Beats Truman" - 1948 they used a telephone poll against a list of wealthy rRpublican voters. Ooops!

[Rafman]

ok see, when you said Fox News i thought that would be very respresentative of the whole of Americans, i didn't get your point.

I agree with you, polls are often made and manufactured to give a certain wanted result by the organizers

[L@mplighterM]

Saudi-arabere støtter bin Laden


95 prosent av alle saudi-arabere mellom 25 og 41 år «med utdannelse» støttet i høst Osama bin Laden.

http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2002/01/27/308906.html

Here we have the results of an interesting poll that shows that 95% of all educated Saudis between the ages of 25-41 years of age supporting bin Laden.

I want to wish the US armed forces luck with capturing Laden.

They are going to need it.

I suppose that the majority of Muslims would like to see Bush on a most wanted list. I don’t know why the State Department believes that the Saudis are pro American because to me it seems as if the only thing they are pro at is supporting Radical/Extremist Islamic Fundamentalism.



It’s going to be an interesting future

[raven]

Lampy: All this is soooo familiar to me. In the run up to WW2..you heard all this diminishing of the seriousness and evilness of Hitler then too. Same deal. Everything from " he doesnt mean it, or you are exagurating it...to you took it out of context, to the German PEOPLE dont agree with him"...Same old script..and sometimes by the same people. (Check John Loftus.."Secret War Against the Jews") He also has a Website and is suing the US for covering up for the Saudis all this time.

Incidently..there have been sitings of contacts between the KKK an National Alliance type people and the Islamic Terror Groups. Just talked about it today.

Lithium??really. I probably could use some today. Im on FIRE for some reason.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by raven
Lampy: All this is soooo familiar to me. In the run up to WW2..you heard all this diminishing of the seriousness and evilness of Hitler then too. Same deal. Everything from " he doesnt mean it, or you are exagurating it...to you took it out of context, to the German PEOPLE dont agree with him"...Same old script..and sometimes by the same people. (Check John Loftus.."Secret War Against the Jews") He also has a Website and is suing the US for covering up for the Saudis all this time.

Incidently..there have been sitings of contacts between the KKK an National Alliance type people and the Islamic Terror Groups. Just talked about it today.

Lithium??really. I probably could use some today. Im on FIRE for some reason.


The world has become rather a rather complicated place and it’s difficult to know exactly who and who doesn’t support terrorism. One thing that does seem certain is that Saudi Arabia is the cradle of Radical Islam.

I posted a posted some time ago that I believed there was contact between “Blood and Honor”, the KKK and radical Islam. The skinheads and neo Nazis are a lot that doesn’t seem to have too much intelligence. They might think that they can befriend Radical Islam and build a lasting alliance. They are wrong and there’s no question in my mind that if Radical Muslims ever get the upper hand they will be slaughtered.


Just kidding about the lithium Raven.

[raven]

Lamp: Both those radical groups hate each other but for the Temporary Job of getting rid of Jews and hurting the US they are putting up with each other and cooperating. There was a report that the head of White Arian Resistance and Louis Farakan had several meetings and speak "respectfully" of each other. It comes under "The Enemy of My Enemy is my Friend" type of thing.

Then you throw into the mix..the various Drug People and old Mob People and out of work ex Spooks from Russia and parts of the old Soviet Union Allied Countries...and you have TROUBLE. Radical Hate Groups of all sorts and Drugs Gangs and Spooks...oh my. Actually this is not funny and quite serious.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by raven
Lamp: Both those radical groups hate each other but for the Temporary Job of getting rid of Jews and hurting the US they are putting up with each other and cooperating. There was a report that the head of White Arian Resistance and Louis Farakan had several meetings and speak "respectfully" of each other. It comes under "The Enemy of My Enemy is my Friend" type of thing.



Yes I believe you’re 100% correct Raven.

[cerulean]

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/07/25/pierce/index_np.html
Not your parents' neo-Nazis
William Pierce may be dead, but his heirs carry on -- this time hoping to reach out to their "Arab brothers."
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By Brian Montopoli
July 25, 2002
William Pierce, the spiritual and intellectual leader of the white supremacist movement, died Monday at the age of 68. For many, it was a reason to celebrate.

Those who monitor hate groups are welcoming Pierce's death as a serious blow to the white power movement, which has quietly been gaining steam since Sept. 11. And while they would probably never admit it, many within the white power movement are themselves quietly lauding Pierce's passing, which they see as an opportunity to transform Pierce's National Alliance from a relatively small, ideologically driven fringe organization into something more resembling a European-style fascist movement.

Pierce had become a thorn in the side of the less ideologically pure in his own organization, those most concerned with broadening the white power base. A white power traditionalist who resisted public demonstrations and often refused to campaign for new members indiscriminately, Pierce had long resisted those more interested in membership numbers than his message. With Pierce gone, his followers can move forward with their intention to pursue a cause Pierce would never have approved of: the plight of white power's new, post-Sept. 11 Arab brothers -- the Palestinians. ...
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Unfortunately, this is a Salon premium article, so I don't have full access to the text. Perhaps someone with a Salon subscription can summarize.

[raven]

Heres what I want to know. Pierce is dead. His books and music were a serious contributing factor in the OK bombing. Some say that the whole story has not been told. Whatever the rest of the story is.. evidence might be inside Mr. Pierces Compound. Im wondering why the FBI didnt get a warrant to search Pierce's compound IMMEDIATELY after he died.

These are dangerous times..and there ARE ties between many Domestic and Foreign Hate/Terrorist Groups. Especially Pierce..even IF he might have denied it.

Is the US purposely NOT going in there? And why? DENIABILITY? perhaps.

There is ABSOLUTELY a reason to go into that Compound with a Legal Warrent...but they arent????????????? Verry interesting.