do zionist organizations exist in cities?

[victot]

i was wondering, in cities with big jewish populations throughout the world, are there zionist organzations, or organizations that deal with jewish nationalsim in a secualr sort of way?

i was reading golda meir's autobigrophy, and in russia where she grew up, there were all these zionist organizations where the jewish people could get togather and discuss zionism and stuff.
do such things exist nowadays, where the jewish masses of a city can get togather on a weekly baiss or something, or is it restricted to the internet?

i live in montreal, and i tried to look up such a thing on the internet, but i couldnt really find anything.

In universities, there are hillel's, but i dunno, that isnt exactly what i mean...
oh well. anybody know anything?

[Gilgamesh]

www.betar.org
www.betar.co.uk
www.likud.org.il

Besids, I bet you can find conection in you local synagogue of Jewish community center, or you can even write to the Israeli embasy.

Look for Betar, this is the real Zionsit conservative movement. The very movement that erected the Likud (unity), israel's conservative party. (which I am a also a member of).

If there is no Zionsit activity in you city, you can alway start one, contact zionsit friends, produce leaflets, brochures, pamphlets, booklets, hang Israeli and other zionist flags, orginaize meetings
and teach children, get a hebrew teacher, make Aliya and join the IDF, convince other to follow your lead, run for the parlament of city hall with Jewish votes and promote the ideas you believe in. Zionism is not JUST for jews, it can be adapted to other societies and solve other problems. Use you creativity!

[Vic]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh
Zionism is not JUST for jews, it can be adapted to other societies and solve other problems. For example?

[Gilgamesh]

Any focus on promoting the usage of Jewish and Zionist ideals, many are already common to most conservative ideologies.

Promoting Education, family values...

The idea of restoration, wild life and ecological restoration. We Jews plant forests Arab had cut and burned, advance arrigation, and restoration of lost wild life duw to Arab huntings. Rostoration of plants long eaten to extinction by Arab goats....

Jewish pride and multy cultural pride, I am proud to be Jewish the same way other should be proud to be Indian or Chineas. It does mean one cultur is better then the other.

In Israel there are many sub-cultures, jews brought with them from the many world communities they used to live in. Even in israel there is a mulitutud of sub cutures: a Kibutznick doesn't speak the same hebrew like some one from Tel Aviv, and both speak different hebrew then some one from Be'er Sheva of Jerusalem. One can know where the other came from by their sub-culture, yet we all share the same zionist goals.

Love of the bible, not as a religious text but as an artistic piece of litrature and historical document. Knowlage of Hebrew is vital.

charity and social aid is one of the foundation of Jewish culture.

to make a long story short:
conservative ideology + social awarness + ecological restoration, respect for wild life and trees + racial and cultural pride, that does not step one some one elses toes + focus on education...

Such a liberal consevative mix is uniqe to Zionist and Jewish perspective and ideologies.

D'Israeli was a strong empirelist and hash conservative, yet he was the first to abolish child labur and inforce compolsery children education. Thats VERY jewish of him, and very liberal! yet, he was a conservative.

[victot]

If there is no Zionsit activity in you city, you can alway start one, contact zionsit friends, produce leaflets, brochures, pamphlets, booklets, hang Israeli and other zionist flags, orginaize meetings
and teach children, get a hebrew teacher, make Aliya and join the IDF, convince other to follow your lead, run for the parlament of city hall with Jewish votes and promote the ideas you believe in. Zionism is not JUST for jews, it can be adapted to other societies and solve other problems. Use you creativity!

Thanks for the links, Gilgamesh, (though there wasn't exactly anything in my city)

You are right, anyone in this who cares, should really do all that they can.
I just feel like i need to know how to get started. My friends are not really into zionism like me, I and they were raised to secular...
but in the last couple of years i have really gotten into having jewish pride.
Oh well, i'll try to think of something.

[Vic]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh
[...]to make a long story short:
conservative ideology + social awarness + ecological restoration, respect for wild life and trees + racial and cultural pride, that does not step one some one elses toes + focus on education...

Such a liberal consevative mix is uniqe to Zionist and Jewish perspective and ideologies. [...] There is nothing unique about what you describe, as far as I can see, but for the knowledge of Hebrew, on itself of little moment for non-Jews. Politically conservative ecological movements, often with a definite nationalistic touch and a strong social agenda, are quite popular in many countries.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Vic
There is nothing unique about what you describe, as far as I can see, but for the knowledge of Hebrew, on itself of little moment for non-Jews. Politically conservative ecological movements, often with a definite nationalistic touch and a strong social agenda, are quite popular in many countries.

I didn't known that, again, the whole socialism idea is a Jewish thing gone rotten and then on the rampage.

Please check and tell me, who are the ideological initiators of such movements you describe, I belive they are Jews.

As far as I know, the ecoligical organization are also extrem leftics, and conventional conservatives only support the intrests of large corporations and rich peaple. As far as I know, there is a gap between the two, the economical left and the conservative right - thats where zionism comes in: not socialism - because we want help the weak help themselves with focus on education, also we aprove religioun and cultural pluralism. and we are not conservatives as we support wellfair and charity.

[Vic]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh
As far as I know, the ecoligical organization are also extrem leftics, and conventional conservatives only support the intrests of large corporations and rich peaple. As far as I know, there is a gap between the two, the economical left and the conservative right - thats where zionism comes in: not socialism - because we want help the weak help themselves with focus on education, also we aprove religioun and cultural pluralism. and we are not conservatives as we support wellfair and charity. No, "protectors of the environment" are not exclusively leftists anymore. The forst example that comes to my mind is a new party, rapidly gaining popularity in Southern Germany called "The Ecological Democratic Party" (ÖDP = Ökologisch-Demokratische Partei). They have a classical conservative agenda, such as reducing immigration, they present the usual "ecological" demands, such as turning off all nuclear reactors, and they are AFAIK all for preserving and expanding the welfare state (the latter actually sometimes part of the political program of the "old" conservative parties in Europe too, often when they have a predominantly Catholic electorate with large families in economically weak regions). I'll have to check for other examples, I dont have the time right now.

As for the education - I have written it somewhere before, but I'll repeat it here. There are plenty of young Israelis in Europe studying (and often finding jobs and/or spouses afterwards and staying) here, b/c they cannot afford to pay what Israeli universities charge back home. All the more a pity, since the Israeli higher education system is much better.

[shiva]

Zionism, by definition, is only for the Jews, the concepts can apply to others. Being a Zionist is the only real way to be jewish now, and one does not hae to live in a place to support it. Never again will thee be a repeat of the most heinous genocide in history. In London, Paris, allover westerm Europe, thee are Zionists groups. New York has a pletora of them. The diaspora is about support, also, and although Zionist, many Jews fear living in one small space, making for an easy target, and without the diaspora, Israel couldn' survive. Everyone who supports Israel is a Zionist.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by shiva
Zionism, by definition, is only for the Jews, the concepts can apply to others. Being a Zionist is the only real way to be jewish now, and one does not hae to live in a place to support it. Never again will thee be a repeat of the most heinous genocide in history. In London, Paris, allover westerm Europe, thee are Zionists groups. New York has a pletora of them. The diaspora is about support, also, and although Zionist, many Jews fear living in one small space, making for an easy target, and without the diaspora, Israel couldn' survive. Everyone who supports Israel is a Zionist.

Well said Shiva, I totally agree!

I believe also that the role of Israel is to support in return the diasspora, most of all in terms of education, jewish schools ect...
I know that happens in some countries, like Australia and Argentina, but not enough... more has to be done.

The best way is, if more diaspora Jews were to serve in the IDF, let say, in return for scholarships paid by the state / rich jews?

[Vic]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh
The best way is, if more diaspora Jews were to serve in the IDF, let say, in return for scholarships paid by the state / rich jews? What about Israelis (or "Diaspora Jews" unfit for military service ;))?

Sorry for being so persistent about the subject, but I'm all too well aware of the negative consequences - as any good Zionist should be, IMO.

Any comments on the following article, btw.?

The two-thirds solution
By Hannah Kim
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=192148&contrassID=2&subContrassID=4&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y