Nasrallah calls the shots in France

[Yala]

France: Hizbullah not a terror group
By JPOST STAFF AND AP


Hizbullah is part of Lebanese politics and must not be regarded as a terror organization, said the French Foreign Ministry in a statement Thursday night.

The statement was an apparent about-turn by France after President Nicolas Sarkozy said that Hizbullah was indeed a terrorist group when he met with the captured IDF soldiers' families in Paris last week. Thursday's statement was prompted by protests from Hizbullah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1184168555491&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[ForceRecon79]

Just when I was starting to really like Sarkozy, we pulls a 180 on everyone.
All this kowtowing to Hezbollah is just plain sad. Hezbollah should be targeted, not made friends with.

[wellofvow]

It's worse than sad - it's pathetic.

If France's argument is that because Hizbulla is part of the political structure of Lebanon it cannot be a terrorist organization, the counter-argument by the Coalition of the Sane should be that because Hizbulla is a terrorist organization AND a part of Lebanese politics, THEN Lebanon is a terrorist state.

Why should anyone have a problem with this????

[DR NOAM]

It's worse than sad - it's pathetic.

If France's argument is that because Hizbulla is part of the political structure of Lebanon it cannot be a terrorist organization, the counter-argument by the Coalition of the Sane should be that because Hizbulla is a terrorist organization AND a part of Lebanese politics, THEN Lebanon is a terrorist state.

Why should anyone have a problem with this????

We made the same conclusions with Afghanistan, and Iran. and we were right to do so.

[Kenneth]

Kouchner will be in Damascus within a month holding a suitcase full of apologies for that "...the Shia movement [Hizbullah] should stop its terrorist actions..." comment made by Sarkozy to relatives of two Israelis. He'll also carry with him an assurance that Sarkozy does not have Chirac's "unhealthy obsession" as the Syrians see it, with Lebanese political affairs.

Nought good, I say nought good will flow from this new French President.

[Turkishdude]

edit: I'm confused

[Steven]

I am disappointed in Sarkozy. The terrorist leaders whines and he caves is. Where are the Western leaders strong enough to take these guys on?

[pagan]

When is the next Dutch election.? I am looking for Geet Wilders election to office. He is the only hope.

[Turkey]

i think we must put the sarkozy and his bi*** wife to the top of noob eiffel tower. he also wanted to know Armenian genocide to attack at Turkey

[Turkey]

Nasrallah , Gazza people (because they all support terrorism) , and all other arabics are weak stuff and all are terrorists. i became happy when that Hamas leader with 4 WİFE AND THEİR DAUGHTERS DİED :) 4 WİFE OMG !!! STUpid womans. they deserved to die as well... dont stop keep moving.. by the way ground attack to gaza would risk soldiers life. keep shooting from air. noone can stop you... loves from Turkey

[israel_heart]

bull sh***************t

[thatisraelgirl]

This is where it starts--first Hizbollah is no longer considered a terrorist organization--will Hamas be next? Hopefully not!

[Fall]

Nasrallah , Gazza people (because they all support terrorism) , and all other arabics are weak stuff and all are terrorists. i became happy when that Hamas leader with 4 WİFE AND THEİR DAUGHTERS DİED :) 4 WİFE OMG !!! STUpid womans. they deserved to die as well... dont stop keep moving.. by the way ground attack to gaza would risk soldiers life. keep shooting from air. noone can stop you... loves from Turkey

That's a disgusting point of view. I would not want that kind of support from even the most powerful force in the universe.

[Mediocrates]

Again, it has more to do with fear about riots in the streets of France than anything else.

[Steven]

That's a disgusting point of view. I would not want that kind of support from even the most powerful force in the universe.

You would never win a war. Do you know what the goal of Hamas is?

The Palestinians voted in Hamas and did nothing to stop the rocket attacks on Israel. They have brought this upon themselves.

[israel_heart]

we are talking about Nasrallah the chicken ??
heheheheheheheh
hell with him

[israel_heart]

i think we must put the sarkozy and his bi*** wife to the top of noob eiffel tower. he also wanted to know Armenian genocide to attack at Turkey

silence is gold
speech is silver
so i remain silent.

try not to mention armenians everywhere
:scratch:

[dayag]

i think we must put the sarkozy and his bi*** wife to the top of noob eiffel tower. he also wanted to know Armenian genocide to attack at Turkey

What has Carla Bruni-Sarkozy done that you would call her a bi***?

[orangeblossom]

Yala:

And know you understand why it is hard for Lebanese to get rid of them. Sad and pathetic.

Luv ya!

[ranchcer]

Few people believe that Europe would have been better off with Segolene who doesn know what nuclear non-proliferation Treaty means and cannot find Israel on a map. By the way Sarkosy was one of the first European leader to refer to Hezbolla as a terrorist group. His wife has the look Hasnt she.?;) Her musical talent may well have given Mr Brassens a hard-on with her interpretation of his song


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGxoi7GfeyA

[kozzol]

With 5 million + mohammediens living in France what can you expect. Alot of them have now grown through the decades into positions of power within the country where they can use their influences.

Why do you think Ariel sharon told the French Jewry to leave France, and they have in droves or bought second homes in Israel in preparation to leave, because anti-semitism is on the rise in France because the Mohammediens have power.

[ranchcer]

With 5 million + mohammediens living in France what can you expect. Alot of them have now grown through the decades into positions of power within the country where they can use their influences.

Why do you think Ariel sharon told the French Jewry to leave France, and they have in droves or bought second homes in Israel in preparation to leave, because anti-semitism is on the rise in France because the Mohammediens have power.

Part of the French Jewry certainly appreciates A.Sharon s concern but yet, retains faith in the French little rooster which may not be the most elegant and charismatic poultry in the Animal Kingdom but when it cock-a-doodle-dos Liberte-Egalite-Fraternite it has the power to rally the masses to crush extreme Right-wing extremists like JM Le Pen like a bug

As for the challenge to France s secular traditions by the rise of radical Islam, little rooster had the law against Muslim scarf in school passed 494 to 36 in the French National Assembly.:rofl: Whats say you Nasrallah :tdown: My guess is that Etnic minority groups have plenty of time to pack

[takeo]

When is the next Dutch election.? I am looking for Geet Wilders election to office. He is the only hope.

:rofl:
He will be prosecuted for racism.

[takeo]

Again, it has more to do with fear about riots in the streets of France than anything else.

nonsense, those gamins have never heard of Hezbollah, can't even pronounce it.
It has to do with Syria. France, and Obama, will turn Syria into an ally. I can see it happen in the next years. I give it a 90% chance.

[takeo]

Part of the French Jewry certainly appreciates A.Sharon s concern but yet, retains faith in the French little rooster which may not be the most elegant and charismatic poultry in the Animal Kingdom but when it cock-a-doodle-dos Liberte-Egalite-Fraternite it has the power to rally the masses to crush extreme Right-wing extremists like JM Le Pen like a bug

As for the challenge to France s secular traditions by the rise of radical Islam, little rooster had the law against Muslim scarf in school passed 494 to 36 in the French National Assembly.:rofl: Whats say you Nasrallah :tdown: My guess is that Etnic minority groups have plenty of time to pack

This law has nothing to do with targetting national minorities, even left supported it. It's about a strict separation between religion and state, and it's not only "against' the scarf but "against" other religious symbols as well, such as the cross and keppel in public functions or schools.

[takeo]

With 5 million + mohammediens living in France what can you expect. Alot of them have now grown through the decades into positions of power within the country where they can use their influences.

Why do you think Ariel sharon told the French Jewry to leave France, and they have in droves or bought second homes in Israel in preparation to leave, because anti-semitism is on the rise in France because the Mohammediens have power.

What a load of racist and hatefull BS. If anyone would say the same about Jews he would be branded as an anti-semite. There are many more Jews in positions of power than muslims in France. And I believe many French Jews who lived in Israel are actually RETURNING to France, because life is better.

I think we should not only prosecute the ones who make antisemitic remarks, such as Le Pen, but equally those who make antimuslim remarks, as happened to Wilders in the Netherlands. All racists should be prosecuted, wether they are antisemites or anti-muslim. I believe Sarko is a favor of that as well.

[kozzol]

Where's the racist remark/s in my posting? Of course sorry I dont agree with mohammedien immigration into the UK, I dont agree to any further building of mosques in the UK, I dont agree that school children should be subjected to the language and food of another culture without permission of the parents in the UK, I dont believe terrorist acts should be carried out on the UK shores, I dont believe religous fanatics should be allowed to preach hate, bigotry, racism and death in places of worship and on the streets of the UK and I could go on and on.

What a load of racist and hatefull BS.

More like a concerned British subject who is sick and tired of the political correctness which exsist within their own country but definitely not a racist!!!!

[Rob]

:rofl:
He will be prosecuted for racism.


Why is it funny?

He is NOT prosecuted for racism...again and again you show how mis informed you are!

I never liked Wilders, but I chuckle when I see that according to polls his party is rising to be the largest. According to the latest poll he is the second largest party.

[Mediocrates]

:rofl:
He will be prosecuted for racism.


Thought crime? Simply Awesome.

[ranchcer]

This law has nothing to do with targetting national minorities, even left supported it. It's about a strict separation between religion and state, and it's not only "against' the scarf but "against" other religious symbols as well, such as the cross and keppel in public functions or schools.

To my understanding...Not quite. The law on laicity is hundred years old. The display of religious signs has never been an issue and was the last thing the National Assembly had on its mind in 2004. The french society ( including moderate Muslims) was overwhelmingly eager to stem the rise of radical Islam.

[ranchcer]

I never liked Wilders, but I chuckle when I see that according to polls his party is rising to be the largest. According to the latest poll he is the second largest party.

Wilders will go the same way as Le Pen who drove the first nail into his political coffin when he championed the cause of hatred and xenophobia. Questioning the Shoa buried him. Some people never learn:D

[Mediocrates]

Yet all of this is meaningless in the real world, in the street. In fact few if any antisemitic acts are ever prosecuted in France or even reported.

[Rob]

Wilders will go the same way as Le Pen who drove the first nail into his political coffin when he championed the cause of hatred and xenophobia. Questioning the Shoa buried him. Some people never learn:D

I rather think he will go the same way as Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh...

[takeo]

Why is it funny?

He is NOT prosecuted for racism...again and again you show how mis informed you are!

I never liked Wilders, but I chuckle when I see that according to polls his party is rising to be the largest. According to the latest poll he is the second largest party.

OK, facts please!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7842344.stm

He has 9 seats in parliament, which makes him the 5th party. However, even the ultra-leftist SP has almost 3 times as many seats.

According to polls today he would be the third party.
https://n7.noties.nl/peil.nl/

I think he's just a populist with a lot of blabla. In the meanwhile, the second city in the Netherlands and the biggest port on earth now has a muslim maire. And most Dutch don't have any problem with that, as the Netherlands is really one of the most tolerant and open societies in the world.

[Rob]

OK, facts please!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7842344.stm

In the article not once racism is mentioned. What is your point? :scratch:

[takeo]

Wilders will go the same way as Le Pen who drove the first nail into his political coffin when he championed the cause of hatred and xenophobia. Questioning the Shoa buried him. Some people never learn:D

I agree. I think we should get rid of parties and politicians who advocate hatred against other religions and people.
By the way, do you knwo that some Jews on this forum actually support an antisemite like Le Pen? The only reason is that he hates Arabs even more than Jews. (I'm referring to lomplighter, but I'm sure there are others as well, and he may still be posting here under another nickname)

[takeo]

In the article not once racism is mentioned. What is your point? :scratch:

A Dutch court has ordered prosecutors to put a right-wing politician on trial for making anti-Islamic statements.

What the difference between anti-islamic statements and racism? What's the difference between anti-semitic statements and racism?

[Rob]

According to polls today he would be the third party.
https://n7.noties.nl/peil.nl/

That poll is NOT from today. Another poll from TODAY shows he would be the second party now

In the meanwhile, the second city in the Netherlands and the biggest port on earth now has a muslim maire-

Yep, it showed during the demonstrations last month. He didn´t care that people chanted that Jews should go back to the gas chambers and that scares me.

[Rob]

A Dutch court has ordered prosecutors to put a right-wing politician on trial for making anti-Islamic statements.

What the difference between anti-islamic statements and racism? What's the difference between anti-semitic statements and racism?

Jews are no a race (gentils can convert to it), nor are Muslims. Awaiting your back paddling replies...you have absolutely nothing to back up your statement that Wilders is prosecuted for racism...and are too small a boy because of your hatred to recognize that!

[takeo]

Yet all of this is meaningless in the real world, in the street. In fact few if any antisemitic acts are ever prosecuted in France or even reported.

I'm getting tired of all this googling, why can't you people check your facts before stating stupidities?

Recent polls confirm that the French are not anti-Semitic: 80% of young people say they would have no problem living with a Jewish partner. 87% consider anti-Semitic acts disgraceful and believe there should be severe penalties (UEJF poll, 2000). As of April 2003, 85% of the French said they are sympathetic to the Jews, compared with 72% in February 1990 (CSA, Le Figaro, 2003).

The first figures available for 2003 show a marked decrease in the number of anti-Semitic acts (72 anti-Semitic acts from January to August 2003; 172, for the corresponding period in 2002- see attached report). The French authorities are strongly determined to pursue their policy of zero tolerance.

French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy was awarded the 2003 Tolerance Prize of the Simon Wiesenthal Center for his work in combating anti-Semitism in France. "Confronted with anti-Semitism and racism, I know only two words," said Sarkozy: "Zero tolerance." "You don't explain anti-Semitism and racism," he said: "You fight it." President Chirac fully supports zero tolerance.



2 - Steps Taken to Combat anti-Semitism

2.1 A Tougher Law

Parliament beefed up legislation against anti-Semitism, passing a law on February 5, 2002 mandating tougher penalties for racist, anti-Semitic or xenophobic offences. The law, now in force, was adopted unanimously--proof that the people's representatives are united and determined in the face of a phenomenon that will not be tolerated. Whereas prior legislation penalized racist behavior when it was manifestly that, it is now possible to penalize individuals more severely for attacks or insults when the investigation shows that anti-Semitism is the hidden reason for the offence.


2.2 Robust Measures Adopted

- On Monday, November 17, after the arson of a Jewish school set to open in January in Gagny, the President of the Republic presided over a special Cabinet meeting to determine the measures to be taken in order to strengthen the fight against anti-SemitismHe decided to set up an interministerial committee, which will meet monthly under the authority of the Prime Minister, to monitor closely the situation.


- A prevention/protection squad has been set up consisting of 13 units of mobile forces (1,200 CRS-riot police and mobile gendarmes); these units have been deployed specifically to protect synagogues, local associations and schools in consultation with representatives of the Jewish community;

- law-enforcement response to anti-Semitic offences is very strict: public prosecutors have been instructed to ensure that there are no delays in prosecuting offenders. Whenever the perpetrators of anti-Semitic offences have been identified and convicted, the sentences have been harsh (immediate imprisonment, not suspended sentences, including for damage to property).

These firm measures, which reflect the government's determination, have largely contributed to the drop in the number of anti-Semitic offences.

2.3 Lastly, the government has taken the fight against anti-Semitism to schools.

On February 27, 2003, Education Minister Luc Ferry presented a ten-point program of action to deal with the problem of anti-Semitism and racism in schools. It includes special teams in schools to identify and track incidents with the aid of mediators, tougher penalties, and handbooks for teachers. The minister explained, "It's important to intervene at the slightest incident, even if it's verbal, and to let nothing pass without punishment and explanation."

- Help for teaching staff: teams have been set up in schools to monitor for incidents;

- Tougher penalties have been introduced for anti-Semitic or racist comments. Immediately an offence is known, it is reported to the judicial services and youth protection services. School chancellors have been instructed to be absolutely firm in such matters.

- Education in tolerance: a "Holocaust Memorial Day" is now observed in French schools for the remembrance of the Holocaust and the prevention of crimes against humanity. France chose January 27 for this day, the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz.

3 - Tackling Anti-Semitism at the International Level

3-1 To be effective, the fight against anti-Semitism has also to be addressed at the international level. France sent a delegation led by Robert Badinter, a distinguished French jurist and intellectual, to the special meeting of the OSCE on anti-Semitism in Vienna in June 2003 which it fully supported and at which it took an active part. The French parliamentary delegation to the OSCE aligned itself last February, in Vienna, with the letter of intent on anti-Semitism, signed by Congressman Smith, (Republican, New Jersey) and German Parliamentarian Gert Weisskirchen (of the SPD party), to bolster efforts against anti-Semitism in OSCE member states.

3-2 New forms of communication, especially the Internet, are wonderful for promoting human rights but at the same time they can be used for hateful expressions of racism and anti-Semitism in defiance of national or international legislation prohibiting such "speech."

Since the suit against Yahoo in 2000, France has been working actively in several international bodies for a collective debate on anti-Semitism, racism and xenophobia on the Internet. The government raised the matter in the G8 bodies. As president of the G8, France proposed a discussion on ways to prevent the Internet from being used for anti-Semitic comments and incitement to racial hatred and violence, and the prosecution of offenders.

France will also host an OSCE meeting on this issue in 2004 and hopes that the United States will play an active role in it. .

France also took a key role in the negotiations in the Council of Europe on the Cybercrime Convention and additional protocol on racism and xenophobia. France made a point of being one of the first signatories of the convention and protocol.

|http://www.elysee.fr/elysee/elysee.fr/francais_archives/actualites/a_l_elysee/2003/novembre/the_fight_against_anti-semitism_in_france.6884.html


In 2003, 19 people were arrested and 5 search warrants were issued against non-identified individuals, in connection with antisemitic offenses. By late August 2004, 46 people had been arrested and prosecuted. It should be noted that the French Penal Code now takes into account an antisemitic motive as an aggravating factor in violent attacks. The reinforcement of French law was praised during a meeting of the OSCE in June 2003. However, in libel suits, such as the Dieudonné case (see below), some judges tend to regard antisemitic behavior/utterances as permissible in the framework of freedom of expression.

In June 2003, a French higher court fined Jean Claude Willem, communist mayor of Seclin, $2,300 for ordering school canteens to cease buying Israeli orange juice. He had been acquitted in a lower court in March, but a Lille Jewish community leader appealed.

Also in June, an appeals court in Lyon upheld editor Jean Plantin’s 6-month prison sentence. He had published works doubting the scope of the Holocaust. He had received a 6-months suspended sentence in June 2000 and was ordered to cease his activities. However, the suspension was revoked after he continued them.

Neo-Nazi militant Jean Trouchaud (alias Florian Scheckler, a half-Jew) was sentenced to 2 years in prison for trying to blow himself up in a mosque in Paris. His contacts were militants of the FN and other neo-Nazis.

http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2003-4/france.htm

[takeo]

Jews are no a race (gentils can convert to it), nor are Muslims. Awaiting your back paddling replies...you have absolutely nothing to back up your statement that Wilders is prosecuted for racism...and are too small a boy because of your hatred to recognize that!

So according to you antisemitism is not racism right?
Antisemitism and anti-islamism are on the same level , and should be prosecuted at the same time, right?

[takeo]

To my understanding...Not quite. The law on laicity is hundred years old. The display of religious signs has never been an issue and was the last thing the National Assembly had on its mind in 2004. The french society ( including moderate Muslims) was overwhelmingly eager to stem the rise of radical Islam.

Tha law applies equally to all religious symbols, not only muslim religious symbols.

[takeo]

Thought crime? Simply Awesome.

So you think people shouldn't be prosecuted for anti-islam or anti-semitc statements?

[takeo]

Where's the racist remark/s in my posting? Of course sorry I dont agree with mohammedien immigration into the UK, I dont agree to any further building of mosques in the UK, I dont agree that school children should be subjected to the language and food of another culture without permission of the parents in the UK, I dont believe terrorist acts should be carried out on the UK shores, I dont believe religous fanatics should be allowed to preach hate, bigotry, racism and death in places of worship and on the streets of the UK and I could go on and on.



More like a concerned British subject who is sick and tired of the political correctness which exsist within their own country but definitely not a racist!!!!


Where's the racist remark/s in my posting? Of course sorry I dont agree with Jewish immigration into the UK, I dont agree to any further building of synagogues in the UK, I dont agree that school children should be subjected to the language and food of another culture without permission of the parents in the UK.
More like a concerned British subject who is sick and tired of the political correctness which exsist within their own country but definitely not a racist!!!!

just by replacing some words, your post could become anti-semitic, it means it's over the limits. I'm also not politically correct, I think people can say openly that radical mosques need to be watched, and that islamism is a threat, that migrants should do more efforts to integrate in society, etc. But you can not single out one group of people. On the contrary I don't have a problem with migration, with mosques, churches or synagogues, Standards should be the same for everyone. Jews in American and GB are all sons or daughters of migrants, and they helped to make these countries great and more diverse. If you are against migration you are against your own roots. (and against progression)

[Mediocrates]

So you think people shouldn't be prosecuted for anti-islam or anti-semitc statements?


No I'm saying there's a difference between marching to a shul, throwing rocks at it and screaming for all the Jews to die, and a movie you have to pay to go to which highlights some ideas you don't like.

Like your footer, if you don't don't like the program, change the channel.

[Y. Shulamith]

Hate crimes should be prosecuted as such. The hate crimes laws that were enacted in the USA have worked very well to stanch the wellspring of such talk and behavior, IMO. It is felonious behavior.

:stick:

[kozzol]

Originally Posted by kozzol
Where's the racist remark/s in my posting? Of course sorry I dont agree with mohammedien immigration into the UK, I dont agree to any further building of mosques in the UK, I dont agree that school children should be subjected to the language and food of another culture without permission of the parents in the UK, I dont believe terrorist acts should be carried out on the UK shores, I dont believe religous fanatics should be allowed to preach hate, bigotry, racism and death in places of worship and on the streets of the UK and I could go on and on.

More like a concerned British subject who is sick and tired of the political correctness which exsist within their own country but definitely not a racist!!!!

takeo response

Where's the racist remark/s in my posting? Of course sorry I dont agree with Jewish immigration into the UK, I dont agree to any further building of synagogues in the UK, I dont agree that school children should be subjected to the language and food of another culture without permission of the parents in the UK.
More like a concerned British subject who is sick and tired of the political correctness which exsist within their own country but definitely not a racist!!!!

just by replacing some words, your post could become anti-semitic, it means it's over the limits. I'm also not politically correct, I think people can say openly that radical mosques need to be watched, and that islamism is a threat, that migrants should do more efforts to integrate in society, etc. But you can not single out one group of people. On the contrary I don't have a problem with migration, with mosques, churches or synagogues, Standards should be the same for everyone. Jews in American and GB are all sons or daughters of migrants, and they helped to make these countries great and more diverse. If you are against migration you are against your own roots. (and against progression)

With a play of words and their meanings you are correct. But first I would like to point out that mohammediens are not a race of people but people from different countries world wide who follow Islam and its prophet mohammed.

For me, and this is my own personal opinion, being a Jew means to me that I have through thousands of generations originated from the Hebrew/Israelite race of people who's religion is Judaism.

So when I state that I do not wish for any further immigrants who practise Islam into the Uk, I am not refering to a race of people, I am speaking about their religion, but the reason why I am only suggesting mohammediens is because this is who the topic on this forum is about.

I am not against total immigration, as I believe there are genuine cases who need a sanctuary from their own country, but I do believe that we now have enough immigrants in the UK which makes it a very diverse country, but we also need to take control and sort out the internal problems which exsist for the people presently living here, before taking any others who do not genuinely need sanctuary.

I am totally for progression and intergration, your words, and just wish that someone could tell the millions of immigrants in the UK who do not want this that it is not the way forward.

[Y. Shulamith]

Jews don't use synagogues to allow people to plot heinious acts against the population of a country that was kind enough to allow them to emigrate to........let's not forget that one little difference.

[takeo]

No I'm saying there's a difference between marching to a shul, throwing rocks at it and screaming for all the Jews to die, and a movie you have to pay to go to which highlights some ideas you don't like.

Like your footer, if you don't don't like the program, change the channel.

Would you have the same opinion if it consists of an anti-semitic movie?
Just change the channel and forget it? But in many European countries Jewish people file complaints against movies, television programs, comics, etc. which they perceive to have made or contain anti-semitic statements.

[takeo]

Jews don't use synagogues to allow people to plot heinious acts against the population of a country that was kind enough to allow them to emigrate to........let's not forget that one little difference.

Most mulims don't do that either, only a very tiny minority.

[takeo]

Hate crimes should be prosecuted as such. The hate crimes laws that were enacted in the USA have worked very well to stanch the wellspring of such talk and behavior, IMO. It is felonious behavior.

:stick:

so you support the prosecution of Wilders?

[takeo]

kozzol

With a play of words and their meanings you are correct.

Sometimes if you make statements against others you have to think about how you would feel if these would be directed against YOU?



But first I would like to point out that mohammediens are not a race of people but people from different countries world wide who follow Islam and its prophet mohammed.

For me, and this is my own personal opinion, being a Jew means to me that I have through thousands of generations originated from the Hebrew/Israelite race of people who's religion is Judaism.

Most people consider Judaism to be a religion, and Jews are thus not a race.



So when I state that I do not wish for any further immigrants who practise Islam into the Uk, I am not refering to a race of people, I am speaking about their religion, but the reason why I am only suggesting mohammediens is because this is who the topic on this forum is about.

But by singling out muslims you are discriminating.





I am not against total immigration, as I believe there are genuine cases who need a sanctuary from their own country, but I do believe that we now have enough immigrants in the UK which makes it a very diverse country, but we also need to take control and sort out the internal problems which exsist for the people presently living here, before taking any others who do not genuinely need sanctuary.

The UK, as all countries, benefitted from immigration. GB has been an immigration country for centuries. That's one of the most important reasons why it belongs to the top, even many years after the dissolution of the empire. I agree that immigration should be controlled, but it won't stop, the economy will always need new forces and new blood.


I am totally for progression and intergration, your words, and just wish that someone could tell the millions of immigrants in the UK who do not want this that it is not the way forward.

I think it'll take time, as in France. Also the government should prevent ghetto's and stimulate socio-economic empowerment of the minorities. Perhaps a bit more forcefull policy as in France wouldn't hurt either.

[dayag]

...Most people consider Judaism to be a religion, and Jews are thus not a race...

Then they are ignorant. Being Jewish is more than just being a member of the Jewish religion. I wouldn't use the word "race", but we are a nationality as well.

[kozzol]

I view myself belonging to a race of people because I see myself belonging to a group of people united together on the basis of common history, nationality, geographic distribution and religion.

Judaism is the original religion of my race, but then there are many jewish people who follow different religions, in my eyes this does not affect their history and make them non jews.

[ranchcer]

Tha law applies equally to all religious symbols, not only muslim religious symbols.

My point was in relation with the thread. The fact is that crosses and kippas were never part of the equation. Nor was the hijab before 9/11. This Law was passed overwhelmingly out of fears in the face of radical Islam and in response to the Sharia which was perceived as an infringment of Women s Rights, a danger to their lives but moreover a threat to republican values. Big Fuss... Big Talk...But luckily the muslim community got the message, ackowledged the favour and the little rooster saved all its feathers. :)

[takeo]

My point was in relation with the thread. The fact is that crosses and kippas were never part of the equation. Nor was the hijab before 9/11. This Law was passed overwhelmingly out of fears in the face of radical Islam and in response to the Sharia which was perceived as an infringment of Women s Rights, a danger to their lives but moreover a threat to republican values. Big Fuss... Big Talk...But luckily the muslim community got the message, ackowledged the favour and the little rooster saved all its feathers. :)

But if you read the law, you'll notice it applies to all religious symbols, not only muslim ones.

[Y. Shulamith]

so you support the prosecution of Wilders?

Of course not; that wasn't a hate crime.....he was telling the G-d's honest truth!!

Hate crimes and prosecution are for such when you say things that have no basis in reality in order to drum up hatred for a group OR to perpetrate crimes of hate against a group (ie., nazi grafitti, Death to Juice, cross burnings) ...Wilders had plenty of honest goings on to teach and warn people about...:stick:

[Y. Shulamith]

Most mulims don't do that either, only a very tiny minority.

Quite enough Mosques are used just for the exact purpose of planning crimes, hiding caches of weapons and terrorists themselves, and not only does it incriminate the innocent Mosque goers, it makes Mosques targets for anti-terrorism activities, both in peace and in times of war.

[kozzol]

I dont know if I am missing some thing but have just sat and watched several interviews of Geert Wilder and cannot see why he should be prosecuted.

[Yala]

Most people consider Judaism to be a religion, and Jews are thus not a race.




Correction, most non-Jewish people consider Judaism to be a religion. We consider ourselves a nation and do not care how others define us.

[orangeblossom]

Ok...over with my upset on Israel not FINISHING OFF HAMAS..AND MAKING SOME DEAL...WHICH WE ALL KNOW HAD TO OF HAPPENED!

But...plz...let's not blow up (ohhh, that's funny)...a man WHO LIVES 10 feet UNDERGROUND!

Hasouna...is a thug, with a big gun. That is all. When you treat them as such...they loose their power. Open doors and offer ppl a better chance at life, and you won't have hasouna's as leaders.