Hizbullah officer: We would've given up

[ygalg1]

"The cease-fire acted as a life jacket for the organization [at the end of the Second Lebanon War]," a Hizbullah officer said in an interview aired by Channel 10 on Tuesday.
In the interview, the unnamed officer said Hizbullah gunmen would have surrendered if the fighting last summer had continued for another 10 days.
His statement sharply contrasted with those made by Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah on several occasions since the monthlong war.
At the end of the war, Nasrallah said his organization had gained a
"divine victory."
The officer shown on Channel 10 said the organization's gunmen had been running low on food and water and facing rapidly diminishing arms supplies.
The officer also said that many Hizbullah commanders were ordered to hide before the war started, and that the gunmen who remained were forced to fire Katyusha rockets from inside urban populations because of the IDF's efficiency in destroying launchers minutes after a launch had been detected.
He said that when the gunmen relocated to cities and villages, they knew innocent civilians would be hurt as a consequence. The quick arrival of IAF jets at rocket-launch sites, sometimes only four to five minutes after a Katyusha was fired,
"surprised" Hizbullah, the officer said.

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[Christian_Iran]

Hm, That I dont belive for one second. If he had a name then maybe you could give that article a chanse.

I know that arabs dont have any fighting morale, just look at the 6 day war.

It is the reasons that sound supicious, running out of food and water? They would just plunder abandoned homes.

runing out of ammo? where does the bilions Iran give them end up?

No that article is false.

[ygalg1]

Hm, That I dont belive for one second. If he had a name then maybe you could give that article a chanse.

I know that arabs dont have any fighting morale, just look at the 6 day war.

It is the reasons that sound supicious, running out of food and water? They would just plunder abandoned homes.

runing out of ammo? where does the bilions Iran give them end up?

No that article is false.
it was broadcasted at channel 10 Israel, as well CNN and Fox News.

[Christian_Iran]

it was broadcasted at channel 10 Israel, as well CNN and Fox News.

If it was aired on CNN and israeli tv it might have some credability. Foxnews is to biased.

[bararallu]

all news is biased isnt it?

[KettleWhistle]

Probably just a BS propaganda piece. Israeli TV showed it, CNN and Fox reproduced it. Either way, it makes no difference.

[andak01]

Even if it's a real story, how do you know that person is representative? One person may be ready to give up and another not.

[peaceful_arab]

Hm, That I dont belive for one second. If he had a name then maybe you could give that article a chanse.

I know that arabs dont have any fighting morale, just look at the 6 day war.

It is the reasons that sound supicious, running out of food and water? They would just plunder abandoned homes.

runing out of ammo? where does the bilions Iran give them end up?


you are so racist, dude. And persia giving hezbollah billions of dollars is not exactly something to be proud of. Millitancy, in any form, is not a good thing.

[Christian_Iran]

you are so racist, dude. And persia giving hezbollah billions of dollars is not exactly something to be proud of. Millitancy, in any form, is not a good thing.

persia?? Iran is mostly turks. farsi is the oficcial language but its an outdead people.

And who is the racist? Palestine would starve if it wasnt for aid from Iran. Still they hate IRan and call it enemy of the arabs even if Iran is what keeps them alive, their fellow arabs treat them worse than the Israelis. They call IRan enemy of the arabs Iran is their only friend.

Kuwait kicked all palestinians out for supporting Saddam wich they didnt.

Arabs rename the persian gulf and claim persian heritege and call it "islamic history".

[Anatolia]

Christian Iran you really make no sense, there is no Turkish people in your country. And just to let you know that it's becoming boring.

[bararallu]

Kuwait kicked all palestinians out for supporting Saddam wich they didnt.


What do you think would have happened if Israel gave the same treatment to the Paleos that Kuwait administered?

[Anatolia]

What do you think would have happened if Israel gave the same treatment to the Paleos that Kuwait administered?

bararallu, I've always had the impression that Arabs are treated better in Israel than in any Arab country. I may be wrong but that's the impression I get.

[Berti Pane]

Christian iran, you dont know what you're saying. Where the hell Turks are in your country?

Please stop using our name on irrelevant points,it's getting really irritating.

Its your country. Im afraid next time you will blame extraterrestrials for Iran's policies.

To record, you must know that we have no interest for Iran, its regime, its internal problems and its policies.

[Berti Pane]

Christian Iran you really make no sense, there is no Turkish people in your country. And just to let you know that it's becoming boring.

I guess he meant Azeris, it had been discussed in this (http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=12953) thread.

[Christian_Iran]

by turks I mean people soeaking turkish, thats what defines a turk. Azeris are genetically persians so its no race issue.

In central asia they speak turkish as well so they are turks, even if they are mongolians and closer to chinese in race.

There is turkey Turk, and then there are turks generall. And most people in Iran speak turkish at home.

[Berti Pane]

Azeris speak Azeri, Kirghizs speak Kirghiz, Kazakhs speak Kazakh....

But its not the point,you are blaming Iran's policies on Azeris and others and even foreigners,thats what disturbing.

Or maybe there were some misunderstandings,i presume.

[Christian_Iran]

Azeris speak Azeri, Kirghizs speak Kirghiz, Kazakhs speak Kazakh....

But its not the point,you are blaming Iran's policies on Azeris and others and even foreigners,thats what disturbing.

Or maybe there were some misunderstandings,i presume.

I dont blame it on azeris, Im saying the goverment is mostly azeris. And the reason I say that is cause people keep saying azeris are supressed and they have no rights et c.

[bararallu]

bararallu, I've always had the impression that Arabs are treated better in Israel than in any Arab country. I may be wrong but that's the impression I get.

We treat them better than they even treat themselves... representation in government, health care, education, job opportunities galore... and they are free to come and go like any other Israeli, as long as they dont conspire with our enemies. But kindness, respect, and western treatment, of this sort is a one way street. If the situations were reversed there would be no Jews left in Israel.

[bararallu]

I dont blame it on azeris, Im saying the goverment is mostly azeris. And the reason I say that is cause people keep saying azeris are supressed and they have no rights et c.

So you are saying the only reason Persian is the official language (rather than say Azeri) it's because it's closer to Arabic (from the other thread). Man you are the first Persian to say something like this, that I've heard said. :D I know some Persians that would jump off a building before admitting that their language has anything but the most cursory (pun intended) connection to Arabic.

[Christian_Iran]

So you are saying the only reason Persian is the official language (rather than say Azeri) it's because it's closer to Arabic (from the other thread). Man you are the first Persian to say something like this, that I've heard said. :D I know some Persians that would jump off a building before admitting that their language has anything but the most cursory (pun intended) connection to Arabic.

Thats cause they are deluded, 2500 ago a persian that made the worlds first superpower called himself a persian and aryan. wich basicly means noble, I am a nobleman. He was a king, a persian and nobleman.

Some young persians thinks aryan is their people, but its just a title to the upper class thousands of years ago.

The persian language is 60% arabic, the diffrence is the accents, persian accent sound like poetry, arabic like if someone is yelling.

[bararallu]

The persian language is 60% arabic, the diffrence is the accents, persian accent sound like poetry, arabic like if someone is yelling.

Ok let's get into specifics then. What part of Persian is 60% Arabic? Syntax? Lexicon? Phonology?

Look, just because there are some aspects of Arabic (and then it could be just one version of Arabic, or even another language all together via Arabic) doesn't make Persian anything but Persian. Yes the the script is arabized, and there are no doubt some loan words...but like I mentioned to you before, most Middle East languages are in the same boat, but, for instance Hebrew has been written in Arabic script as has Turkic and Kurdish and Coptic and Berber and many other languages and all of us have loan words from Arabic..., most of us will not consider our language as 60% Arabic or anything like that.

[Christian_Iran]

Well it is persian but, half of the words come from the arabic.

Parastar was the persian name for nurse, something arabic has taken over and is more commonly used today. I left Iran before that so I still remember it as parastar.

There are 8 arabic letters in the persian language, a persian can not prounounce one of them. we got 4 persian letters, no arab can speak them correctly. The rest are shared by both.

8 arabic and 4 persian letters in the persian alphabeth... That alone should say a lot.

[peaceful_arab]

Well it is persian but, half of the words come from the arabic.


well, im sure there are some words shared amogn persian and arabic, but i think persian is persian, they come from different branches of language.

And on the smiliarties of hebrew and arabic, I foudn this very intresting page.

http://www.mideastweb.org/arabic_hebrew_eng.htm

It has a bunch of words from both hebrew and arabic that have simmilar backgrounds. very intresting stuff..

[Elin]

Christian Iran,Azeris make up roughly 24 percent of Iran (Persians 51%, Azeris 24%, Gilaki-Mazandarani 8%, Kurds 7%, Arabs 3%...based on CIA data), are you telling us they are not suppressed under the regime like Iran?

What do you see in this (http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f301/selineral/Tebriz202220may.jpg) picture?

I have a friend in Azeri forum, an Azerbaijani and he gives too much attention to this issue.He told me that there were 120 deaths during the Azeri rebellion in 2006 and Iranian police was everywhere. He told me that this rebellion was the biggest since South Azerbaijani leader Sattarhan was killed.

ps. Iran's foreign policy is very anti-Azeribaijani.

[Elin]

So you are saying the only reason Persian is the official language (rather than say Azeri) it's because it's closer to Arabic (from the other thread). Man you are the first Persian to say something like this, that I've heard said. :D I know some Persians that would jump off a building before admitting that their language has anything but the most cursory (pun intended) connection to Arabic.

Persian is official language because Iran is Parsia. Azeris are 24% of the country.

Azeris dont speak Azeri in Iran, they speak mixing of Azeri-Persian,just like most of them, their language is also asimilated.

[Christian_Iran]

That picture shows a demonstration nothing more. 120 people dead and their leader killed? Thats nothing!

Iran has the highest numbers of execution after china! And china is half the world. Its an execution society, 120 killed cause of a revolution in Iran is just another one.

There are revolutions in Tabriz all the time, this one got a lot of publicity in turk oriented sites. There was this newspaper that pictured an azeri as a cochroach, the one making it was azeri and evereyone knew it was fun, but it was another reason to protest. People protest for the smallest thing like loosing a forball game, any excuse they can get.

And dont trust CIA world factbook ever! CIA overthrow Irans democrasy in the 50s, that was a major event, but its not in the nations history.

And Azeris are much more, Teheran is mostly azeri but the people are counted as persians cause they live in a certain area. Thats how the CIA world factbook operate.

And an azeri in a forum? Is he from the north or the south? There have been many azeris from the north claiming to be from the south, but when questoned it shows that they are not south azeris.
The leader of the azeri indenpendence movement in Iran is from north Azerbaijan!

Ps, there is no such ting as a persian, there is no persian word for persian as a people, persian is from a greek name for Iran it means nothing.

[Turkishdude]

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[ForceRecon79]

This isn't an overly surprising statement. Hezbollah lost over 400 guys in a month, including some top field commanders. Israel was on it's way to decimating Hezbollah on the battlefield, and despite the propoganda....Hezbollah and Nasrallah know it.

I suspect that Syria and Iran know it too. Syria has just recently gotten a little taste of why they need to think REAL long and hard before even attempting to start a war with Israel....all the Russian and North Korean supplied weapons in the world won't be enough for them to stand up to the IDF/IAF for very long.

But, after last week, I think Syria got the message:)

[ForceRecon79]

That picture shows a demonstration nothing more. 120 people dead and their leader killed? Thats nothing!

Iran has the highest numbers of execution after china! And china is half the world. Its an execution society, 120 killed cause of a revolution in Iran is just another one.

There are revolutions in Tabriz all the time, this one got a lot of publicity in turk oriented sites. There was this newspaper that pictured an azeri as a cochroach, the one making it was azeri and evereyone knew it was fun, but it was another reason to protest. People protest for the smallest thing like loosing a forball game, any excuse they can get.

And dont trust CIA world factbook ever! CIA overthrow Irans democrasy in the 50s, that was a major event, but its not in the nations history.

And Azeris are much more, Teheran is mostly azeri but the people are counted as persians cause they live in a certain area. Thats how the CIA world factbook operate.

And an azeri in a forum? Is he from the north or the south? There have been many azeris from the north claiming to be from the south, but when questoned it shows that they are not south azeris.
The leader of the azeri indenpendence movement in Iran is from north Azerbaijan!

Ps, there is no such ting as a persian, there is no persian word for persian as a people, persian is from a greek name for Iran it means nothing.


I would hope that Iranians understand that any beef we have is with their government and not their people. Iranian civillians are just regular people trying to get through the day just like we are and most Americans have no gripe with them, Shia's in general, or the Persian people.

[Mediocrates]

I would meet their calls for genocide with the same thing. Put a little fear of the old time God of Wrath in them.

[farmall]

"I would hope that Iranians understand that any beef we have is with their government and not their people. Iranian civillians are just regular people trying to get through the day just like we are and most Americans have no gripe with them, Shia's in general, or the Persian people."

I'd stick to (though not personally believe) that palatable story, but their government wouldn't exist without their enthusiastic support.

[Turkishdude]

I know that arabs dont have any fighting morale, just look at the 6 day war.I disagree. Arabs are very brave, fearless, and capable fighters. But modern wars are waged very differently, that's why they can't win.

[Mediocrates]

Moshe Dayan in 1967 was asked to comment on the abilities of the IDF. People were comparing it to the great armies of all time. Dayan's response was "Who knows? We only fight Arabs".

[nbarzelay]

I disagree. Arabs are very brave, fearless, and capable fighters.
I think that era died with Saladin.