Turkish-Israeli relations

[Night_Flight]

hello all from Turkey.

what do you think of turkish israeli ties?

personally i think that it's really useful for both countries.

israel is also suffering from terrorism like turkey

in turkey we had PKK (kurdish terrorists) and israelies have palestenian terrorism

though turkey and israel are victims of terrorism , nearly all countries in the middle east even greece and armenia hate israel and turkey. i hope israel will solve the rerrorism issue too .

best regards from turkey.

by the way if you want to see what some turks think about israeli turkish relations just have a look at turkish forum.

here is a discussion board that was started by a friend from israel and turks feedback . some arabs's hateful attitudes towards turks

http://www.turkey.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=3803

here is a thread from turkey.com a greek boy's opinions about turkey israel and usa and turks answer

http://www.turkey.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=7003



here is the agreementof water purchase between israel and turkey and its reflections amongs turks greeks and kurds

http://www.turkey.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=7162

[Pushtak18]

Hello My Friend from Turkey...

I really love Turkey and have been there couple of times. I feel that Turkey-Israeli relations has grown and i can give you so many infos about it... :)

Israel has helped Turkey in the 99 Ankara earthquake..sneding the biggest team and the most special doctors to help them!!!! Rumour had it that they had the most coffe too!!!

Israel gave Mirage plains immediately without any doubt to Turkey in the 3-would be wars with Greece.

Turkey gave 1 Billion Cubic Water deal to Israel in the next 20 years!!!!

Ottman Empie gave jews who were being persecuted and killed a good living and freedom!!

I have been to Turkey and i love the place. One of my favourite destinations to go!

As for that Greek guy on the Turkish forum..Forget him...Greece is a terrorist entity themselves. There Foreign Minister is a nazi and the country is just pure ignorant...They either live on donkeys or praising Onasis as there g-d!!!!!

As for the Axis of evil theory (turkey, America, Israel)...i heard so many of it, since the bush speech..

one of the many profound ones that they made was the "TRUE" axis of evil that was Israel, America and India...but no one who made it can't resisit that....

America is the most powerful democracy
India is the biggest democracy
and Israel is the only democracy in the Middle east :D

As for PKK and the Kurds...We strongly codemnd them and will work with our Turkish counterpart to help and assist them in the fight against terrorist!!!

[RedLine]

Greetings from the UK!

It's good to know that Israel has another ally in the region, Turkey and Israel go way back together in history and come together today to take a stand together.

United we stand!
Shalom!

[Evgeny]

"Ottman Empie gave jews who were being persecuted and killed a good living and freedom!! "

Too bad the Armenians did not experience such living and freedom.

[Semsem]

>>here is a thread from turkey.com a greek boy's opinions about turkey israel and usa and turks answer
>>

The Greeks are extremely antisemitic; it's the Greek Orthodox Church brainwashing. The Simon Wiesenthal Center have advised Jews to avoid travel to Greece. The 5,000 Jews are intimidated by the Greek politicians and media; they want the Greek Jews to bash Israel.

[Semsem]

<<It's good to know that Israel has another ally in the region, Turkey and Israel <<

Not so sure that the Israli Turkish relationship is so lovey dovey. However during the Turkish occupation of Iraq and Egypt there was no antisemitism and my family always spoke very favourably of the Turkish tolerance for the Jews and the invitation from the Sultan for Spanish Jews to settle there.

Even many Russian Jews who fled Russia in the 1600s from the Cossaks settled in Bukovina; now southern Ukraine because it was Turkish. In the 1750s it became Austria. In 1918 Romania; in 1941 USSR and recently Ukraine.

[Semsem]

However the Turkish Prime Minister comparing the treatment of Palestinians to Jews in Spain is lying and guilty of blood libel.

In 1492 there were approximately 300,000 Jews in Spain.

100,000 were murdered; 100,000 were forced to convert to Catholicism and 100,000 were robbed and expelled; many went to the Turkish Empire.

I don't think Israel is doing the same to the Palestinians.

[Berkovic]

Im not really fond of Prime Minister's Erodgan statement that the jews are doing to the Palestianins what we have had 500 years ago.

As Israelis, it doesn't give us a good taste in the mouth, knowing that Erodgan is from the Islamic Party of Turkey and he might pull back Turkey's Secularism and become a little more religous. But thats a long shot.

I still view Turkey's relation with Israel, nice and open, but im not gonna take the Turkish President's remarks....
Its not that he did it once, but he is doing it weekly now...like he is a strong head in what is going on in the Israeli-Arab conflict...

Just recently, he blamed Israel, not the young arabs for Anti-Semetic attack.

I mean, honestly....Turkey is playing the deck here...
Israel can lower its status with turkey anytime they want. We are looked back for not recognizing the Armenian Genocide, yet..the turks come and blame us for what has happened to us 500 years ago as something that we are 5 times worser today for doing on the palestinains....

Frankly....i think that times have changed and if Turkey doesn't add up, than i guess that having Turkey-Israeli relation as well as protecting the Turks from what they done in Armenia is not worth it...

I think, that we can make 'better' relationship if we wanted to with the greeks and cyprus. Cause frankly, the anti-semetic/Pro-PLO leader who died in 1999 was harsh, but Barak and Greece in the late 90's upscaled there relations....
Something TUrkey must need to understand!

[Semsem]

<<we are looked back for not recognizing the Armenian Genocide, yet..the turks come and blame us for what has happened to us 500 years ago as something that we are 5 times worser today for doing on the palestinains....>>

The Armenians dislike the Jews because we have refused to side with them in regards to their genocide. We refused because the Turks treated us relatively well for 500 years. However there were some problems in Turkey in the late 1940s for the Jews there when they also had an Islamic Party in power.

In order to show our gratitude to the Turks we kept our distance from the Armenians and I can understand whythey are upset at us.

<<but Barak and Greece in the late 90's upscaled there relations....Something Turkey must need to understand!<<

Forget the Greeks. They rank among the most antisemitic in Europe. And they are pro Arab in addition.

[Elin]

Originally posted by Berkovic
Im not really fond of Prime Minister's Erodgan statement that the jews are doing to the Palestianins what we have had 500 years ago.

As Israelis, it doesn't give us a good taste in the mouth, knowing that Erodgan is from the Islamic Party of Turkey and he might pull back Turkey's Secularism and become a little more religous. But thats a long shot.

I still view Turkey's relation with Israel, nice and open, but im not gonna take the Turkish President's remarks....
Its not that he did it once, but he is doing it weekly now...like he is a strong head in what is going on in the Israeli-Arab conflict...

Just recently, he blamed Israel, not the young arabs for Anti-Semetic attack.

I mean, honestly....Turkey is playing the deck here...
Israel can lower its status with turkey anytime they want. We are looked back for not recognizing the Armenian Genocide, yet..the turks come and blame us for what has happened to us 500 years ago as something that we are 5 times worser today for doing on the palestinains....

Frankly....i think that times have changed and if Turkey doesn't add up, than i guess that having Turkey-Israeli relation as well as protecting the Turks from what they done in Armenia is not worth it...

I think, that we can make 'better' relationship if we wanted to with the greeks and cyprus. Cause frankly, the anti-semetic/Pro-PLO leader who died in 1999 was harsh, but Barak and Greece in the late 90's upscaled there relations....
Something TUrkey must need to understand!

I realise that israelis really hurt by Erdogan's remarks,i didn't know his remarks have big repercussions in Israel. Well forget Erdogan,he is an idiot.I can not stand by my prime minister's remarks.

[Semsem]

<<i didn't know his remarks have big repercussions in Israel.<<

Erdogan's remarks are shocking, disturbing and disgusting not only to Israelis but certainly to most Jews throughout the world. They left I think most of us "speachless". Israel did not react at first thinking he would just say this once but now as it is "weekly" Israel has no choice but to react.

[Elin]

Originally posted by Semsem
<<i didn't know his remarks have big repercussions in Israel.<<

Erdogan's remarks are shocking, disturbing and disgusting not only to Israelis but certainly to most Jews throughout the world. They left I think most of us "speachless". Israel did not react at first thinking he would just say this once but now as it is "weekly" Israel has no choice but to react.

This is typical Erdogan's style,he is disrespectful,but he did same thing to Turkish Cypriot Leader Denktash,when he become prime minister he said very insulting words about Denktash,at first we thought he just says once but then he contunie to his insults not weekly,daily! ,even once i saw on TV Turkish Cypriot Leader was almost tearful because Erdogan's remarks was soo insulting about him.This is Erdogan,i'm afraid he will never change...

I always says nationalist politicians indeed enemy of their own nation,that's why i don't like Turkish Cypriot Leader too...

[Semsem]

>>daily! ,even once i saw on TV Turkish Cypriot Leader was almost tearful because Erdogan's remarks was soo insulting about him.This is Erdogan,i'm afraid he will never change...
>>

Wow. Thanks for the "warning." If he starts with lies, blood libeling and distortion of Jewish history which inflames antisemitism, not only will Israel be forced to reply more forcefully but so will the Jewish Organisations in the United States. In fact here they have remained very quiet so far, because of the historical relationship

[Berkovic]

We gotta understand that when we are not recognizing a incident that happened to the Armenians 90 years ago, than we are looked on horribly......

We had the same fate, worser in the 1940's, and yet....we are insulted if someone was to go and make revelations about what happened as to say that the zionists are to blame or that 6 million didn't die, but only 750,000 did and so on....

The Armenians have been good to the jews, especially soviety jews...and i think that in light of what erogdan says...i think we should make some moves and stop clinging on the backs of a secular Muslim state like Turkey to open the door for us in the islamic world, cause they won't....

Calling Israel a 'state terrorism' state is not even equivelant to what the Turks did against the kurds or what they have done to the Armenians....

Erogdan is playing the cards with idiotic tone. He has problems with the west, he has problems in Europe, has problems with its neighbours, the arabs and now ISrael...why?