Satanic Versus!!

[Pushtak18]

Can anyone breifly tell me what was the book about? And what was your own personall conclusions on it, minding the events of sept 11....

What did the whole book mean in any case?

[Haifa]

Satanic verses is simply a novel. I have read all of it after hearing about what happened to Rushdie, and trust me, if it had not been for the Khomeini, no one would have read the book.

Why?

well, It is as boring as hell, and talks of a Pakistani guy whose plane crashed in the desert. The guy sits under the sun and starts remembering his childhood and more cr*p.

If you are expecting some Islam bashing, that is indeed not the book.

I doubt that the Khomeini even read it.

However, I still think Rushdie deserves a death sentance for his lack of any artistic skills and boring book.

[Pushtak18]

hmmm..


so...i don't get it??

Did he insult islam by copying the battles it had to be a colonialist?? :)

[Haifa]

No, he SUPPOSEDLY insulted islam by using the names of islamic figures for his characters.

For example, one of his characters is named aisha, the other is mohammed (i think), and one imaginary city is named mecca.

This is why khomeini wanted to kill him: because he used the names of islamic figures and cities in his novel.

I still insist that he did deserve a death sentance :D

[Pushtak18]

And where did you take out this book?? The Bathurst/Clarke Library ;)


hehehe, i need to get it out too!

there revelation books also made my Pierre Levraux who insults Israel and praises the ayatollah!

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by Haifa
No, he SUPPOSEDLY insulted islam by using the names of islamic figures for his characters.

For example, one of his characters is named aisha, the other is mohammed (i think), and one imaginary city is named mecca.

This is why khomeini wanted to kill him: because he used the names of islamic figures and cities in his novel.

I still insist that he did deserve a death sentance :D


Just make him read Jonathan Franzen. He'll drink bathroom cleaner.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by Haifa


However, I still think Rushdie deserves a death sentance for his lack of any artistic skills and boring book.

Haifa, you say you aren't religious. But you would make a good Islamist. They don't need good reasons to kill people, either.

[Pushtak18]

Originally posted by ibrodsky


Haifa, you say you aren't religious. But you would make a good Islamist. They don't need good reasons to kill people, either.

Give Haifa some sanctuary...

She wants to kill him on bad taste and not religon

So if there is going to be a lynch at the stroke of midnight! Count me in!!! :D

[ibrodsky]

Take a good look at Haifa's other posts and then get back to me.

[elke]

Hey, you guys don't know what a boring book really is! The absolute worst, hands down, is Furmanov's "Chapayev"! I can read a dictionary or a phonebook under certain circumstances ;) , but that book defeated even me! :p

They made us read it for the Literature class in Russia, in 6th grade. I couldn't do it, so I got an A for that segment. I see it as well deserved as an "A" for taste in literature! :D

[Pushtak18]

So what was so bad about the book anyways???


so many more people insult islam in that time :)

Remember those good movies......hehehe

heres a good movie quote:

"YOUR GOD CAN"T HELP YOU KNOW"

BUT LOOK...

BOOOM!

"WERE SAVED!!"

[Vic]

Originally posted by elke
Hey, you guys don't know what a boring book really is! The absolute worst, hands down, is Furmanov's "Chapayev"! Really? I found it rather amusing, for its surrealist idiocy. And the film with the same title was quite nice - ever heard "Vassili Ivanovich and Pet'ka" jokes? :D

Anyone want to make a collection of statements by our fellow posters on what someone deserves death for?

[elke]

Originally posted by Vic
Really? I found it rather amusing, for its surrealist idiocy. And the film with the same title was quite nice - ever heard "Ivan Vassilyevitch and Pet'ka" jokes? :D

Anyone want to make a collection of statements by our fellow posters on what someone deserves death for?

Yes, I've heard (and told) the jokes. They are indeed amusing. However, I still prefer reading a phonebook to "Chapayev"! :D

[Vic]

Ouch! Immigration Alzheimer :o Chapayev was called Vassili Ivanovich...

[elke]

Originally posted by Vic
Ouch! Immigration Alzheimer :o Chapayev was called Vassili Ivanovich...

Hey, I didn't even catch that! I guess I got it worse than you... ;)

Ah, yes, "Ivan Vassilyevich" was Ivan the Terrible, like in that movie, remember? :)

[cerulean]

The Satanic Verses is a reference to a part of the Koran, that was later deleted, that supposedly came to Mohammed via satanic inspiration. These verses (which are only two lines) have something to do with accepting the idea of a multiplicity of gods. For Muslims to recite these verses now is blasphemy.

I felt proud to purchase the book in 1988 or 1989 after Rushdie got the fatwa against him. I've never gotten past the first chapter, but I think it could be good if I could just concentrate enough. In fact, I started trying again about a month or so ago. I will report if I ever get through it.

[Pushtak18]

Did it ever mention about Islamic Invasion or Islamic Colonialization in his books?

[Deni al-Amriki]

In order to catch the book's subtle parodies of islam, I think you need to be familiar with Islam. Point to be noted, while the book did take a mild and subtle swipe at Ayatullaah Khomaynee, Khomaynee's fatwa made it permissable to kill Rushdie on the grounds that he was an apostate... not just what was in the book.

The reason it was troublesome was because it spoke of a certain seventh century Arab man, who was recieving the revelations of a new Monotheist religion in a cave from an angel named Gabriel. Sound familiar? Well, the Prophet turns out not to be a Prophet really, as the angel (without even knowing it) is not an angel, but some Pakistani movie star, and also Satan to some degree! But God sort of was with this new Arabian monotheist Prophet, as when he returned to the city of Jahilia in the book (a play on Mecca, as in islam the time when Polytheists controlled Mecca is called the time of jihiliyya, or "ignorance"), the idol of the moon goddess began to shed tears of blood.

I found the book amusing, but only because I was familiar with Islam. Had the death sentence not been such a big deal (i.e. had it never been put on him at all), the book would not have been famous. It is not an exciting read. Also, it is hardly an attack on Islam. While there are subtle swipes taken at the religion, and some funny jokes cracked on the Muhammad and Islam's origins, it is no worse than John Elray's Khalifa.

Right after I read Rushdie's book I got a copy of Gore Vidal's Live From Golgotha, which would be described as christianity's satanic verses. But really, Vidal's book was a thousand times more cruel with Christianity than Rushdie was with Islam (Paul is an agent for Mossad sent to assassinate a big fat "self-hating" Jew with a glandular problem whose name is "Fat Jesus," who is leading an "intifaada" against the Romans... Paul converts, then comes up with a scheme to rework christianity, selling it to gentiles via tapdance and not so much emphasis on circumcision, except with Timothy, who Paul molests several times...).

[Pushtak18]

Who is gore vidal?

[cerulean]

Who is gore vidal?

An American novelist and leftist who has written several historical novels. He has a strong French connection.

http://www.pitt.edu/~kloman/vidalframe.html

I see in those links that apparently he has strong feelings about September 11 and has written a book about it called Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace: How We Got To Be So Hated . I'm not in the mood to read about that right now.