Walid Jumblatt to Nasrallah: You want war? We welcome war!

[sharonbn]

BEIRUT, Feb 10 (Reuters) - A leading member of Lebanon's anti-Syrian governing coalition on Sunday warned of anarchy and raised the spectre of war in the country, which is suffering its worst political crisis since the 1975-90 civil war.

Druze leader Walid Jumblatt urged powerful opposition group Hezbollah to break its alliance with Syria, which supports the Shi'ite Muslim group and its allies in their political campaign against the U.S.-backed governing coalition.

Assassinations, the arming of militias and a continued vacuum in the presidency would "drag all to anarchy", Jumblatt said in a televised address, singling out Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah for criticism.

"If you think that we will stand with our hands tied, this is pure imagination", said Jumblatt, an influential figure in the governing coalition whose war of words with the opposition has recently escalated.

"You want anarchy? (We) welcome anarchy. you want war? (We) welcome war," Jumblatt said, to the cheers of supporters. "There is no problem with weapons ...," added Jumblatt.

http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSL10273652

[KettleWhistle]

Relevance?

[JudeanSlingshot]

Wonderful news. Let the Druze fight the Hizbollah, the Bedouins fight the Gazans, the Hamas fight the Fatah and the Egyptians fight the Palis. It can't get better than that. Go for it. Let em all slaughter each other.

[farmall]

"Relevance?"

Destablization is good, and the only way to deal with dedicated enemies is to kill them or better get them killing each other. Lebanese killing pro-Syrians can only be a good thing. Lebanon can never not be a threat to Israel, so it is desirable that it self-destruct.

[MGB8]

I agree and disagree. I agree that it is good that the March 14 factions are standing up to the Syrian (and Iranian) puppets -are standing for their freedom.

I disagree that the destabilization of Lebanon is a good thing. If Lebanon becomes more peaceful, it returns to being more cosmopolitan, and closer to Europe. If it does that, then the chances for a peace agreement increase. Plus, how much suffering should the Lebanese have to endure? Granted, much is self inflicted, but it is sad nonetheless.

[KettleWhistle]

"Relevance?"

Destablization is good, and the only way to deal with dedicated enemies is to kill them or better get them killing each other. Lebanese killing pro-Syrians can only be a good thing. Lebanon can never not be a threat to Israel, so it is desirable that it self-destruct.
Destabilization of Lebanon is irrelevant. An anything any Arab politician says is also irrelevant. So he said something, so what? Should we also listen the Baghdad Bob?

Israel is not Lebanon. The only thing that's relevant to Israel is to hermetically close the border with Lebanon, so that regardless of what is happening there, Israel is unaffected.

[Aysun]

"Relevance?"

Destablization is good, and the only way to deal with dedicated enemies is to kill them or better get them killing each other. Lebanese killing pro-Syrians can only be a good thing. Lebanon can never not be a threat to Israel, so it is desirable that it self-destruct.

really? you have a terrible logic you know. I wonder your president Bush also thought like that and invaded Iraq in order to create more destabilized and chaotic enviroment in Middle East. cause the result is exactly how you like to see.

destabilization doesn't do any good to anybody in Middle East no matter which country is having it. terrorism flousihes and gets stronger at exactly this kind of environments. if you guys really wanna fight against terrorism then you should pray for a stabilized Middle East, nothing else.

[MGB8]

really? you have a terrible logic you know. I wonder your president Bush also thought like that and invaded Iraq in order to create more destabilized and chaotic enviroment in Middle East. cause the result is exactly how you like to see.

destabilization doesn't do any good to anybody in Middle East no matter which country is having it. terrorism flousihes and gets stronger at exactly this kind of environments. if you guys really wanna fight against terrorism then you should pray for a stabilized Middle East, nothing else.

I agree 100%.

[farmall]

" terrorism flousihes and gets stronger at exactly this kind of environments"

Terrorism isn't the problem. Islamist power is not "terrorism". "Terrorism" cannot push Israel into the sea or produce unified political and military power in enemy countries. Any intact state adjacent israel is a launchpad for invasion. They should be reduced accordingly...

Sustained destabilization of the Islamic enemy is useful in getting him to wreck his own little bit of the world, it is to be hoped beyond recovery. ANY strong countries in the region other than Israel are a threat. They cannot ever turn into anything but Sharia states, so the solution is to induce self-destruction on a self-perpetuating basis. This accomplished, they can become like Africa, an example of a culture that is too degenerate not to self-destruct. Islamo-entropy will make the superstition less attractive to potential adherents, and the rest of the world will take it for granted that barbaric fratricide is standard Islamic behavior.

"destabilization doesn't do any good to anybody in Middle East no matter which country is having it. "

The alternative to destabilization is stable enemies. I understand that so I don't want it.

"Israel is not Lebanon. The only thing that's relevant to Israel is to hermetically close the border with Lebanon, so that regardless of what is happening there, Israel is unaffected."

Rockets cross borders and they will reach farther with each new generation.
An anarchic Lebanon in civil war can provide a fig leaf for using much more military force in shooting back, and if Israel can find Leb proxies to fight its (worse) enemies then it can have fighters whose losses don't matter.

[andak01]

farmall, if you are right about what you are saying, it vindicates the worst theories about what Israel is about. If Israel is using its power to create discord in the region... Naw that's too dark. Do you belong to the Elders of Zion by chance?

[ForceRecon79]

Good for ol Walid.

I would argue that a well placed car bomb that kills Nasrallah or other top Hezbollah officials, would be in order. Hezbollah and Syria need to get a good dose of their own medicine.

[farmall]

"farmall, if you are right about what you are saying, it vindicates the worst theories about what Israel is about. "

No, it vindicates my theories about Islamist fault lines! Jews didn't create those, and even the blame deflection facilitates further division! ("My enemy is a Zionist stooge!" <boom> Camera cuts to one more Jihadist bleeding out...)

Discord is natural to the region. Discord is desired by the non-Israeli players who create it. What is not happening and IMO should be is awareness that discord is the greatest enemy weakness and deserves deliberate exploitation. A relentless enemy merits a ruthless response.

"Naw that's too dark."

It isn't dark, it's actually rather bright.
Conventional military superiority begets asymmetric response. The response is attractive because it uses dispersed, violent groups and there are plenty of folks who want to run a gang. These groups want power and attack each other to get it. The resulting squabble debilitates the enemy states they infest, but those states can be contained. Militias and warlords are not productive members of their economies. If their feuds go on long enough, their society implodes.

"Do you belong to the Elders of Zion by chance?"

No. I checked their ad on Craigslist but they said the position was filled. I'm contemplating a discrimination suit to get them to hire atheists. How ya think I'll do? :D

[bararallu]

Did I ever mention I like the Druse :D

[andak01]

No. I checked their ad on Craigslist but they said the position was filled. I'm contemplating a discrimination suit to get them to hire atheists. How ya think I'll do? :D

Aetheism doesn't seem to be a problem with the most violent Zionist extremists. You'll fit right in. :)

[bararallu]

Aetheism doesn't seem to be a problem with the most violent Zionist extremists.

neither is theism. or deism. or pantheism. we have a big tent we do. :D

[Mediocrates]

Looks like he made good on his threat.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1202742145654&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

The head of Hizbullah's military wing, Imad Mughniyeh - considered the organization's second in command - was killed in a car bombing in Damascus late Tuesday night, Hizbullah's Al-Manar television reported Wednesday.
Mughniyeh was reportedly very close to Hizbullah head Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, and also served as Hizbullah's liaison with Iran.


He was held responsible by Israel for numerous terror attacks, as well as for masterminding a 1994 bombing at a Buenos Aires Jewish community center that killed 85. In addition, he is believed to be responsible for hijacking a TWA flight in 1985.


He has also targeted US citizens - the United States holds him responsible for an attack on the US embassy in Beirut and another on a marine base there that left over 200 soldiers dead. Wanted in at least 40 countries, he has been on the FBI's top-20 terrorist list for years.


Hizbullah has blamed Israel for Mughniyeh's assassination. "With all pride we declare a great jihadist leader of the Islamic resistance in Lebanon joining the martyrs... The brother commander hajj Imad Mughinyeh became a martyr at the hands of the Zionist Israelis," said a statement carried on Al-Manar.


Mughinyeh's assassination, the first major attack against a leader of Hizbullah since the 1992 helicopter strike that killed the Hizbullah secretary-general Sheikh Abbas Mussawi in southern Lebanon, was a major blow to the guerrilla group.


Hamas spoke out against the assassination. "We condemn this crime and we emphasize the Muslim nation must rise up to confront the Zionist devil which is back by the Americans," said Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri.
The explosion occurred at about 10:45 p.m. in the Syrian capital's upscale Kafar Soussa neighborhood. Security forces quickly sealed off the area and removed the destroyed car, which had its driver's seat and the rear seat blown away by the force of the blast.


There are no government buildings located in the mostly residential neighborhood. An Iranian school is about a few hundred meters from the blast, but the school was unscathed.


Damascus has seen a number of attacks in recent years, blamed on Islamic terrorists. Those includes an attack against the US Embassy in 2006 that left three gunmen and a Syrian guard dead. One bombing also targeted the vehicle of a Palestinian terror official, who escaped assassination in 2004.

[bararallu]

Nah, The Druse wouldn't front this sort of hit. They're nuts, but not that nuts.

[Bonaparte]

I passed through most of the replies. Walid Jumblatt, as you might know, belongs to the 14 march anti-syrian alliance. Their main goal is a Lebanese strong state. Such a goal is impossible without a permanent stability in the country's economy, tourism, etc.: peace with Israel, or at least an accord between both countries is a must.

[MGB8]

Unfortunately, the 15,000 UN troops stationed in Lebanon to make sure Hezbollah is not bearing arms are not going to do anything to disarm Hez.

[Bonaparte]

Unfortunately, the 15,000 UN troops stationed in Lebanon to make sure Hezbollah is not bearing arms are not going to do anything to disarm Hez.


Knowing Hizbullah as one of them, the decision comes from either Syria or Iran. Armies and military force won't lead anywhere.

[MGB8]

The side that is unwilling to use force is the side that is defeated. This is the unfortunate reality of life. Hizbollah will own Lebanon soon enough, and everyone else will bow to them and Iran and Syria, because Hiz is better armed, better trained, and no one has the ability to fight. If the UN troops were to help, the Sunni, Christian and Druze would have a chance.

But the dream of a pluralistic Lebanon is over. The Shia own your country, by force. That's the view from here.

[Bonaparte]

The side that is unwilling to use force is the side that is defeated. This is the unfortunate reality of life. Hizbollah will own Lebanon soon enough, and everyone else will bow to them and Iran and Syria, because Hiz is better armed, better trained, and no one has the ability to fight. If the UN troops were to help, the Sunni, Christian and Druze would have a chance.

But the dream of a pluralistic Lebanon is over. The Shia own your country, by force. That's the view from here.



I only agree with your last phrase, 'that's the view from here'. A view that doesn't take the Lebanese sociohistoric point of view into account. Having the US on the Sunni-Christian-Durze side means building a militia in 48 hours. Besides, apparently, you ignore the history of a well known ex-militia, the LF.


As for saying Hizbullah is the defeated side, I say that both sides were defeated during the July war, or else no committee would be investigating the Israeli failures during the war. Hizbullah's regions were completely destroyed.

[bararallu]

I only agree with your last phrase, 'that's the view from here'. A view that doesn't take the Lebanese sociohistoric point of view into account. Having the US on the Sunni-Christian-Durze side means building a militia in 48 hours. Besides, apparently, you ignore the history of a well known ex-militia, the LF.


As for saying Hizbullah is the defeated side, I say that both sides were defeated during the July war, or else no committee would be investigating the Israeli failures during the war. Hizbullah's regions were completely destroyed.

Would you say the other [former] militias are currently rearming. I think Wallid crew is the only one packing any guns, but I could be wrong. A Lebanese friend of mine mentioned that every average guy has an AK47 in their house, just in case.

[Yala]

Soon Jumblatt will be in an alliance with Hezbollah. It's just a matter of time.

[bararallu]

Soon Jumblatt will be in an alliance with Hezbollah. It's just a matter of time.

If the sour smell from Syria hits that mountain then definitely. A weak American regime will accomplish as much too.

[Steven]

What happened to we want war? Now Hezbollah is running the show and there is no looking back.

[Insomniac]

well if you have any idea of lebanese politics you would now that walid jumblat is one of the biggest bullshitters in the world...so i'll tell you what happened to "we want war" probably the same thing to everything else that jumblat has announced..not a freaking thing...he just talks big then gets bitchslapped and becomes the ruling party's bitch nothing else...dude sadly our politics is a big embarrasment..i hate to admit it but it's true

[bararallu]

well if you have any idea of lebanese politics you would now that walid jumblat is one of the biggest bullshitters in the world...so i'll tell you what happened to "we want war" probably the same thing to everything else that jumblat has announced..not a freaking thing...he just talks big then gets bitchslapped and becomes the ruling party's bitch nothing else...dude sadly our politics is a big embarrassment..i hate to admit it but it's true

Someone should write the book: "Baksheesh and AK47 Maintenance, how to embrace the suck and love it!"

[dayag]

There is an interesting op-ed at ynet news about Hezbollah's current position in the Lebanese government by Guy Bechor:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3571119,00.html

[Steven]

well if you have any idea of lebanese politics you would now that walid jumblat is one of the biggest bullshitters in the world...so i'll tell you what happened to "we want war" probably the same thing to everything else that jumblat has announced..not a freaking thing...he just talks big then gets bitchslapped and becomes the ruling party's bitch nothing else...dude sadly our politics is a big embarrasment..i hate to admit it but it's true

So does ours here in the U.S., weak leaders.

[Steven]

There is an interesting op-ed at ynet news about Hezbollah's current position in the Lebanese government by Guy Bechor:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3571119,00.html

Big deal. The Lebanese government or army does not even attempt to disarm them. Hezbollah is just using another stall tactic, to build up strength. Hezbollah is and will be calling the shots there. A couple of months ago the Lebanese Army even went so far as to say, that they are neutral in the whole thing.

[bararallu]

The Lebanese Army will fall apart inevitably. It will, again, be replaced by armed militias. They will, in turn, have much more say in their political future.

[spoiledali]

hi,

I agree that it is good that the March 14 factions are standing up to the Syrian (and Iranian) puppets -are standing for their freedom.
I wonder your president Bush also thought like that and invaded Iraq in order to create more destabilized and chaotic enviroment in Middle East. cause the result is exactly how you like to see.
I would argue that a well placed car bomb that kills Nasrallah or other top Hezbollah officials, would be in order. Hezbollah and Syria need to get a good dose of their own medicine.


tnkx

[orangeblossom]

Let's put this straight..because you guys don't get the news, but some here:

Lebanese do not like Hezbollah. He is a cult to us. So, RUN ON IT!

Lebanese are not Arab...Hello, I think you missed that one from Bibical times in the BIble and you also missed us waking up one day to the Taef.

We have no guns, no real army, all we have is a VOTE. So, what do you want from us. People VOTED! You want us to run and kill hasouna on a VOTE!

OK...gotta laugh at it.

Be happy with the vote;....be happy with Jumblat.

I am sorry, but i have to remind you of this...as painful as it is:

When US CHRISTIAN WERE WINNING....Reagon, from one bombing, France, and Israel pulled out. IT IS A FACT!

From doing so, you made Lebanon what it is. DO NOT expect us to deal with SHIT left behind to grow, without something, and DO NOT blame OUR MEN!

Sorry, but I hate this type of stupid talk..and anyone wanting to debate it...then research before you get into it with me.

LOV YA! OB

[sharonbn]

Lebanese are not Arab...Hello, I think you missed that one from Bibical times in the BIble and you also missed us waking up one day to the Taef.

Demographics of Lebanon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Lebanon):

Ethnic groups

The Lebanese

Though of lesser importance than religious belonging, ethnic background is still a factor in Lebanon. The country encompasses a great mix of cultural, religious, and ethnic groups which have been building up for more than 6,000 years. Although most of the population is today considered Arab, in the sense that Arabic is the national language, the ethnic self-designations vary. The Arabs only reached Lebanon in the 7th century, and their culture was superimposed on an already diverse population. Lebanese are overall genetically similar to other Levantine populations, such as Syrians and (to a lesser extent) Jordanians, with a minimal foreign influence. [1] The question of ethnic identity has come to revolve more around aspects of cultural self-identification more than descent. Religious affiliation has also become a substitute in some respects for ethnic affilitation.[2]

[...]

Many Lebanese, especially among Maronite Christians and in some cases the Druze and some Muslims, see themselves as descendants of the Phoenicians/Canaanites (recently supported by genetic studies, though it applies to Lebanese as a whole as well as some neighbouring populations) [1] and tend to de-emphasize or deny Lebanon's Arab heritage. Melkite Greek Catholics, the Greek Orthodox, and some Maronites tend to focus more on the Greek heritage of the region from the days of the Byzantine Empire, and the fact that Greek was maintained as a liturgical language until very recently. Some Christians even claim partial descent from Crusader knights who ruled Lebanon for a couple of centuries during the Middle Ages. This identification with non-Arab civilizations also exists in other religious communities, albeit not to the same extent. Many Muslims, as well as some Greek Orthodox and rural Roman Catholic Christians, tend to simply consider themselves as Arabs.[3]


We have no guns, no real army, all we have is a VOTE. So, what do you want from us. People VOTED! You want us to run and kill hasouna on a VOTE!
maybe the lack of strong and loyal army is the reason why Lebanon was so easy for intervention from foreign powers? Hisballah is not a 'cult'. It is a well equipped well trained Iranian backed militia, with a religious/political agenda that most of the time disregards and even contradicts Lebanon interests.


From doing so, you made Lebanon what it is. DO NOT expect us to deal with SHIT left behind to grow, without something, and DO NOT blame OUR MEN!
Almost all of the world's countries were under foreign rule at some point in their history.
Lebanon got its independance at the same time as its surrounding Arab countries.
At the time of the breakup of the Lebanon civil war in 1975, there were no US or Israeli troops in Lebanon, there was also negligable American or Israeli influence.
Also, after the 2000 withdrawal, Israel deliberately avoided making any influence on Lebaon internal affairs. We just sat there and watched Hizballah getting stronger and bolder every day.

So sorry to burst your bubble but actually it was the Lebanese people thenselves, with their internal division and gov't weakness, who made Lebanon what it is today.

The task of quelling the Hizballah militia lies in Lebanese hands. Israel has the task of defending its people from foreign aggression, which is exactly what hapenned in 2006.


Sorry, but I hate this type of stupid talk..and anyone wanting to debate it...then research before you get into it with me.
I suggest you do the research you recommend.

[Steven]

Let's put this straight..because you guys don't get the news, but some here:

Lebanese do not like Hezbollah. He is a cult to us. So, RUN ON IT!

Lebanese are not Arab...Hello, I think you missed that one from Bibical times in the BIble and you also missed us waking up one day to the Taef.

We have no guns, no real army, all we have is a VOTE. So, what do you want from us. People VOTED! You want us to run and kill hasouna on a VOTE!

OK...gotta laugh at it.

Be happy with the vote;....be happy with Jumblat.

I am sorry, but i have to remind you of this...as painful as it is:

When US CHRISTIAN WERE WINNING....Reagon, from one bombing, France, and Israel pulled out. IT IS A FACT!

From doing so, you made Lebanon what it is. DO NOT expect us to deal with SHIT left behind to grow, without something, and DO NOT blame OUR MEN!

Sorry, but I hate this type of stupid talk..and anyone wanting to debate it...then research before you get into it with me.

LOV YA! OB


Lets put this straight. The Lebanese govt does not even attempt to disarm Hezbollah and only fights Hezbollah when they feel that they are losing power. The citizens of Lebanon have voted Hezbollah members into office.

You also do have a military.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6695055.stm

[bararallu]

Let's put this straight..because you guys don't get the news, but some here:

Lebanese do not like Hezbollah. He is a cult to us. So, RUN ON IT!

Some Lebanese like it and some dont. The Shia comprise what of the population? 40%? And you being (I presume) a Christian and/or Maronite are what % of the population these days? I only wish we were talking about a scenario where you guys comprise 60% of the population.



Lebanese are not Arab...Hello, I think you missed that one from Bibical times in the BIble and you also missed us waking up one day to the Taef.

This is true. Now how about not speaking Arabic, and de-assimilating from the aribization that went on for 100s of years? Why not have a modernized Aramaic as mandatory school program. Look if we did it (And non of our population spoke Hebrew (except in our house of worship/holidays like you in the Church) then surely you can too. The linguistic part is important, we de-arabized and de-gemanified and de-frankified and de-slavizised a millions of our countrymen in but a few decades.


We have no guns, no real army, all we have is a VOTE.

Who disarmed the millitias, was it Israel? Was it the US? France? Why is LF in such a sad state? Who elected Aoun to represent so many of your community? Again not us.



So, what do you want from us. People VOTED! You want us to run and kill hasouna on a VOTE! OK...gotta laugh at it.

A vote w/o a threat of bullet behind it is joke. I cant tell you how many elections there where in the Soviet Union, where miraculously the same candidates win year after year. If you are unwilling or incapable of threatening the bullet behind the vote then the hezbohara (not to mention the Sunis) will just laugh it off.


Be happy with the vote;....be happy with Jumblat.

Jumblatt at least has baitzim. The Druse generally have more balls than anyone in the region.


I am sorry, but i have to remind you of this...as painful as it is
When US CHRISTIAN WERE WINNING....Reagon, from one bombing, France, and Israel pulled out. IT IS A FACT!

Israel supported the South Lebanese Army for decades, what did the LF do to contribute to that? What did the Auonists do? I accept the fact that you guys shouldnt have taken any sort of crap from the fakistinians, after we and the Jordanians broke the PLO, but this is a regional problem not just ours, mostly manipulated by your big brother up north (kidding).


From doing so, you made Lebanon what it is. DO NOT expect us to deal with SHIT left behind to grow, without something, and DO NOT blame OUR MEN!

Who immigrated out of Lebanon? Was it us? Come on. We are fundamentally on the same side, there is no reason to have these idiotic recriminations.


Sorry, but I hate this type of stupid talk..and anyone wanting to debate it...then research before you get into it with me.

Some of us are informed. And guess what we have some Maronites in Israel too. You're welcome to buy a house on our side of the border and wait to move back home. :)

[Phoenicia]

Good for ol Walid.

I would argue that a well placed car bomb that kills Nasrallah or other top Hezbollah officials, would be in order. Hezbollah and Syria need to get a good dose of their own medicine.

Joumblatt wouldn't dare help plant a car bomb that kills Nasrallah.

The Druze al Jabal (Mountain Druze) are known to be good fighters, and they did fight off Hezbollah in the Chouf Jabal (Mountain) but there were also rumors that Joumblatt was on the phone with Nabih Berri (leader of Shia Amal) begging him for protection in his fortress.

Joumblatt cannot be trusted and he changes with the wind. Not so long ago he was sleeping with the Syrians, when he saw Hariri get knocked out he got scared and he swifted to the side who would keep him in power.

Joumblatt will be on whatever side has the power, that is how he keeps his Druze minority alive. From the civil war, he is one of the worst killers of them all, and mostly he killed the Christians who were closest to Israel.

[israel_heart]

Wonderful news. Let the Druze fight the Hizbollah :rock:

[Tonto]

I've been under the impression that Lebanon hasn't existed as a viable political entity since the 1970s when the palestinians took over and laid waste to the entire country. It seems to me that Lebanon is the name of the place where Iran parks it's palestinian mercenaries while they war on Israel. Any "native Lebanese" that sticks his head up is in danger of decapitation if they don't keep their mouth shut. If that's true, it seems like a good place to round up all the rest of the palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank and park them...pitiful but it kinda makes sense. That opens up areas where Israeli settlers can go and gets a couple thorns out of the side of Israel. See, just good sense.

[Turkey]

Despite i am muslim, ISRAEL FOREVER!!! :D:D:D

[orangeblossom]

I've been under the impression that Lebanon hasn't existed as a viable political entity since the 1970s when the palestinians took over and laid waste to the entire country. It seems to me that Lebanon is the name of the place where Iran parks it's palestinian mercenaries while they war on Israel. Any "native Lebanese" that sticks his head up is in danger of decapitation if they don't keep their mouth shut. If that's true, it seems like a good place to round up all the rest of the palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank and park them...pitiful but it kinda makes sense. That opens up areas where Israeli settlers can go and gets a couple thorns out of the side of Israel. See, just good sense.

I'll tell you what...you Learn about Lebanese, read some history, and then get back to me.

You are 'under impression,' etc.

I am LF...and I think, just like we do with all....do not brainwash or jump into argument....we ask others to learn for themselves, then come and ask.

Good luck, and good talking to you.

[andak01]

Despite i am muslim, ISRAEL FOREVER!!! :D:D:D

Why despite? I'm Muslim too and I don't find any contradiction. After all, the so-called Islamic leaders are leading Muslims to their distruction. And anyway one's choice of which nation to accept or not or like or not or be faithful to or not shouldn't lie within religion in the first place. After all, Israel isn't THE JEWS, and; until I find out otherwise, neither THE JEWS (whoever that is) nor Israel has declared war against Islam. That's politics. Call it for what it is whether you love Israel or hate it.

[Turkey]

Since %99 of muslim countries hate it , i find israel people right. thats why i wanted to share this. i dont hate it like you do mister america

[Tonto]

orange blossom, I know that Lebanon has an internal war going on, and right now, hezbullah is in the cat bird seat. Hezbullah says jump and people jump. They've even backed off Syria, although that is probably with behind the scenes Iranian help. They ambushed Israel and fought them to a standstill. My impression has been that immigrant palestinians that now call themselves Lebanese are running the country under protest from the real Lebanese. Please tell me where I'm wrong....or tell me where to find the real info.

[Turkey]

Why despite? I'm Muslim too and I don't find any contradiction. After all, the so-called Islamic leaders are leading Muslims to their distruction. And anyway one's choice of which nation to accept or not or like or not or be faithful to or not shouldn't lie within religion in the first place. After all, Israel isn't THE JEWS, and; until I find out otherwise, neither THE JEWS (whoever that is) nor Israel has declared war against Islam. That's politics. Call it for what it is whether you love Israel or hate it.

Just shut the up noob. you american pig. go lick their ass plz

[ygalg1]

Just shut the up noob. you american pig. go lick their ass plz
dear Turkey, would be better to address the person's opinion.

[Mosche]

Just shut the up noob. you american pig. go lick their ass plz


First, say what you will about Andak, he's NOT KISSING ANYONE's arse! I disagree with much (most) of what he says on this forum, but he is steadfast in his beliefs. The Islamic world could learn a lesson or two from him (i.e. how to disagree in a civilized manner).

Second, as an American, your "american pig" comment sounds like much of the venom that I continually hear coming from the mouths of Muslims.

Third, why would you want to introduce yourself to the forum in such a plebian manner? Just a question.

[Turkey]

First, say what you will about Andak, he's NOT KISSING ANYONE's arse! I disagree with much (most) of what he says on this forum, but he is steadfast in his beliefs. The Islamic world could learn a lesson or two from him (i.e. how to disagree in a civilized manner).

Second, as an American, your "american pig" comment sounds like much of the venom that I continually hear coming from the mouths of Muslims.

Third, why would you want to introduce yourself to the forum in such a plebian manner? Just a question.

a muslim can not live in usa if he doesnt like israel that much. Despite to his offensive message i blowed up . thats all :) ( omg what a sentence lol ! )
whatever. peace in everywhere :) but countries just like gazze,filistin who supports terrorism must fall. if i was Turkish President , i would totally invade gazza and i would kill hamas government then i woumake it a Turkish Land with a new name. This would be better for everyone. But it looks like somepeople who are under control of cappitalism just like our government moves wrong... :/ so where were those people when 6 million of İsrael people died in germany ? i cant see any. thats not fair enough ...

[Turkey]

By the way you all saw Arabics did nothing. even arabs doesnt like gazza. why shall we think about them that ? i hate arabs. All they need is OİL ! PETROL ! Their God is Petrol ! they dont give a fuc* . and the very end is near. a wrld without any stupid terrorist.

[Yala]

And yet I've seen several protests in Turkey in favor of the Palestinians in recent days. What's up with that? I never met a Turk who supported the P's in my life and all of a sudden they are brothers in arms?

[andak01]

a muslim can not live in usa if he doesnt like israel that much. Despite to his offensive message i blowed up . thats all :) ( omg what a sentence lol ! )
whatever. peace in everywhere :) but countries just like gazze,filistin who supports terrorism must fall. if i was Turkish President , i would totally invade gazza and i would kill hamas government then i woumake it a Turkish Land with a new name.

First, let me point out that Gaza isn't a country and neither is Palestine. Second, I myself have repeatedly suggested the US should invade Gaza and set up a nice big base in Tel Aviv. No takers.

Muslim Americans who don't like Israel and particularly those who want to destroy it are a boon to the propaganda machine wherever they can be found. It's the Muslims who don't hold radical, violent beliefs who never get interviewed.

[Rob]

It's the Muslims who don't hold radical, violent beliefs who never get interviewed.

You should really check out MEMRI more. ;)

[Anatolia]

And yet I've seen several protests in Turkey in favor of the Palestinians in recent days. What's up with that? I never met a Turk who supported the P's in my life and all of a sudden they are brothers in arms?

You never met personally? I remember such protests from the previous years also,but unlike general belief they are not only radical islamists.Leftists are also joining them. For example far leftist Turkish newspaper called "Taraf" has very one sided news about Israel.What's strange is that maybe all the Taraf journalists are atheists (they are well known journalists in the country),you would expect them to criticise Hamas's islamic fanaticism also (at least a bit), right? Because they are atheist-leftists who are supposed to be supporters of human rights,women rights,freedom etc...But No,they don't. I am very much confused about what is leftism nowadays.

[Anatolia]

First, say what you will about Andak, he's NOT KISSING ANYONE's arse! I disagree with much (most) of what he says on this forum, but he is steadfast in his beliefs. The Islamic world could learn a lesson or two from him (i.e. how to disagree in a civilized manner).

Second, as an American, your "american pig" comment sounds like much of the venom that I continually hear coming from the mouths of Muslims.

Third, why would you want to introduce yourself to the forum in such a plebian manner? Just a question.

Actually I am not surprised by his or her reaction.America lost all its credibility in Turkey.It was considered as Turkey's best friend just 8-9 years ago but Bush administration made big mistakes in its policies on Turkey.Terrorist attacks in Turkey dramatically increased since the Iraq war,and there is no need to say that those terrorists are sheltered in Northern Iraq.Another big factor is America's support for islamists.The Greater Middle East project and America's advocacy of "moderate Islam" against the "radical Islam" in the middle east worries the Kemalist Turks a lot.Because they see moderate islam as the biggest threat to Turkey.

[Turkey]

First, let me point out that Gaza isn't a country and neither is Palestine. Second, I myself have repeatedly suggested the US should invade Gaza and set up a nice big base in Tel Aviv. No takers.

Muslim Americans who don't like Israel and particularly those who want to destroy it are a boon to the propaganda machine wherever they can be found. It's the Muslims who don't hold radical, violent beliefs who never get interviewed.

Do you think that i care what you say ? ... whatever ...

[Steven]

It's the Muslims who don't hold radical, violent beliefs who never get interviewed.

When there is a problem that is what needs to be focused on.

[israel_heart]

I love jumblat
:D

[monkez3akka]

we hate israel and waiting for the day in which we kill them
hamas and hisboallah will hit israel and kill all israeli citizens ,, so they have to be prepared for the fear, pain, and death
we mulems will kill them any where,,

[Mosche]

we hate israel and waiting for the day in which we kill them
hamas and hisboallah will hit israel and kill all israeli citizens ,, so they have to be prepared for the fear, pain, and death
we mulems will kill them any where,,

Stupid people say, "what".

[bararallu]

we hate israel and waiting for the day in which we kill them
hamas and hisboallah will hit israel and kill all israeli citizens ,, so they have to be prepared for the fear, pain, and death
we mulems will kill them any where,,

Right, why don't you crawl back under that shitehole called Egypt and leave civilized people alone.

[Tonto]

we hate israel and waiting for the day in which we kill them
hamas and hisboallah will hit israel and kill all israeli citizens ,, so they have to be prepared for the fear, pain, and death
we mulems will kill them any where,,

I think the only answer to your insanity is simply "Nyeek haleck akroot!". :rock: It's real easy to sit at a pc and talk smack, and a bit more difficult to actually put your life on the line.:lol: Keep in mind that you muz pukes ain't been doing so good anywhere in the world unless it's against unarmed innocents, little girls, and old people. That's because muz are pussies and cowards and wouldn't make a pimple on a real warrios's ass. Buzz off asshat.:stick:

[Mil]

May be Egypt should try again?

[Mediocrates]

poster already banned.

[Yala]

Why?

[Mediocrates]

A spamming hate speech tool.

[Yala]

A spamming hate speech tool.

OK, but I think you are doing a disservice to left wing Jews, especially, who are convinced that all the other side wants is an end to occupation. If u don't let them hear what the other side is saying, how will they learn?

[Mediocrates]

I am finding that there is no talking with pro Palestinian advocates. It's a waste of time. The insane fringe has become the mainstream middle. Moreover I am tired of granting pleasantries to people, who, on their own forums happily delete anything that's not Stormfront insanity. The posters on salon.com openly and cheerfully are antisemites and they tell the world that.

[bararallu]

I'm up for banning frothing at the mouth Islamists or Nazis. I'm very much ok though with people like the Jordanian and Saudi we had on recently, they are terribly biased and judgmental but there is a conversation there. My gut says within 5 posts you will know what category is being filled.

[Tonto]

On the blocking of toads and trolls. It's one thing to see the result of hatred and another to get an insight into how their twisted thinking works......so I agree that in small doses it's good. I've been on blogs though that had some toads in there that had unbearably long posts that were way off topic. Supposedly they were trying to make some point or other but it turned out to be such transparent BS it was just too arduous to answer....just like ardvark or whatever his name is.

[dayag]

May be Egypt should try again?

He might be living in Egypt, but I don't think this clown was actually Egyptian. The "Akka" in his name probably stands for the Israeli city of Akko (Acre). He is probably a Palestinian, driven insane by 60 years of losses, impotently expressing his rage.

[Yala]

Medio can say for sure.

[Mediocrates]

Cairo somewhere near al Mugan and al Azhar, on or near the American University of Cairo.

[dayag]

I didn't question his location, I just think he is probably Palestinian based on the name he chose. Akka is the Arabic name for Akko (just north of Haifa).

[bararallu]

A Canadian that moves from Halifax to British Columbia is still a Canadian IMHO. Ditto Egyptian fellahin.

[dayag]

A Canadian that moves from Halifax to British Columbia is still a Canadian IMHO. Ditto Egyptian fellahin.

But all Palestinians are not Egyptian. The local dialect in Akko is Levantine Arabic, not Egyptian.

[Mediocrates]

If you want to get knocked out, call an Egyptian an Arab.

[bararallu]

But all Palestinians are not Egyptian. The local dialect in Akko is Levantine Arabic, not Egyptian.

True that.

[Elin]

Do you think that i care what you say ? ... whatever ...

Who are you?? You have just 20 posts and calling andak "american pig".Do you even know him? I think Israel needs reasonable friends rather than fanatic supporters.

Andak,I hope you don't mind,there are 70 million here,we have every kind of people.