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Mediocrates
05-12-2008, 10:15 AM
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/mediaobjectivity/Anti-Zionism_at_60.asp

Israel's 60th Independence Day is an excuse for the international media to weigh in on the state of the Jewish state. Given the anti-Israel bias of most of the international media, not surprisingly, most of the reports reveal less about Israel's status at 60 than they reveal about how anti-Zionists perceive Israel at 60.

Two critiques -- both cover stories of major magazines -- stand out in this regard. In Canada, Maclean's magazine's May 5 cover pictures three Israeli soldiers struggling to raise the national flag. The headline reads, "Why Israel Can't Survive."

In the US, the cover of The Atlantic Magazine's May edition sports a Star of David painted in Palestinian colors of red, black and green ensconced in a PLO flag. The headline asks, rhetorically, "Is Israel finished?"

The authors of the two articles -- Michael Petrou in Maclean's and Jeffery Goldberg in The Atlantic come to their subject from different angles. Petrou writes as an emotionally disengaged observer. Goldberg, who made aliya in the 1980s, writes as a disillusioned Zionist who abandoned Israel and moved back to America. Petrou writes of Israel's certain demise with amoral detachment. Goldberg's dispatch is a deeply emotional attempt to justify his decision to abandon Israel.

Petrou's article begins optimistically enough. He asserts that at 60, Israel can handle all the security threats that come its way, including Iran's nuclear weapons program and Hizbullah's missiles in Lebanon. Yet despite its military strength, Petrou says that Israeli is nonetheless doomed for it has no way of contending with what he proclaims is the greatest threat: the Palestinian demographic time bomb.

The Arab demographic time bomb is a fiction.

By Petrou's estimation, "Within one or two decades, the number of Muslim and Christian Arabs will surpass the number of Israeli Jews (including Gaza, the West Bank and Israel itself). When that happens, if there is still no Palestinian state (and in the absence of large-scale ethnic cleansing), Israelis will be forced to choose between two futures. Their country will either be Jewish, but not democratic -- in other words, a Jewish minority will control a land mostly inhabited by Palestinians -- or Israel will be democratic, but not Jewish, because Arabs will form the majority in what will become a bi-national state."

While well written, Petrou's piece is a journalistic embarrassment. For his central contention is a fabrication.

The Arab demographic time bomb is a fiction. It was created out of whole cloth in 1997. That year, the Palestinian Authority's Bureau of Statistics published data from a falsified census which claimed that there were 3.8 million Palestinians living in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. The PA projected population growth of some 4.7 percent per year - far higher than any other place on earth. At that growth rate, the PA claimed that by 2015, the Palestinian population in Judea, Samaria and Gaza would be some 5.8 million and that together with Arab Israelis, who number some 1.2 million, they would comprise the majority of the population between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

In January 2005 a group of Israeli and American researchers published an in-depth analysis of the PA data. They compared the census with birth and death records published by the PA's Health Ministry, and education records of children entering first grade published by the PA's Education Ministry. They compared immigration rates published by the PA with immigration records compiled by Israeli authorities at the international borders. They compared population statistics with voter rolls in the 1996 PA elections. Their findings were remarkable.

They discovered that the PA had counted as residents hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who lived abroad. It double counted Arab Jerusalemites. It assumed high immigration rates when in fact except for 1994, the PA has experienced net emigration every year. The PA inflated birthrates and deflated death rates. It ignored the tens of thousands of Palestinians who had immigrated to Israel.

All in all the American-Israeli Demographic Research Group discovered that the PA's census data was exaggerated by some 50 percent. Its researchers discovered that there were only 2.5 million Palestinians living in Gaza, Judea and Samaria in 2004. They found that Israeli Jewish fertility rates are higher than Palestinian fertility rates in Judea and Samaria and the Jewish fertility rates are converging with Israeli Arab fertility rates. Fertility rates in Gaza are similarly declining steadily. So too, Israel's net Jewish immigration rates are positive and rising. Most striking, the researchers found that Israel's Jewish majority west of the Jordan River has remained remarkably steady since 1967. Today Jews make up a 3:2 majority over Arabs in Israel, Gaza and Judea and Samaria. Jews comprise 67 percent of the population of Israel and Judea and Samaria and nearly 80 percent of the population within sovereign Israel.

The AIDRG's initial and subsequent reports have received significant attention in Israel. Had he wished, Petrou could easily have accessed its work on the Internet. But that would have upset his conclusions.

The message is meant to demoralize Israel's supporters by telling them there is no point in trying to prevent the inevitable.

Petrou's story reveals a consistent message of many anti-Zionists. That message is that no matter what Israel does, it remains essentially powerless, just as Jews were powerless for 18 centuries in exile. It is meant to demoralize Israel's supporters by telling them there is no point in trying to prevent the inevitable. And it is meant to console Israel's detractors. They needn't worry. Israel is on its way out.

Mediocrates
05-12-2008, 10:16 AM
Goldberg's Indictment

While Goldberg too, makes use of the PA's phony demographic data, his argument for Israel's demise is not about demography. It is an indictment of Jewish power. If Petrou's Jewish state is doomed because it is powerless just as Jews have always been, Goldberg's Jewish state is doomed because it has sinfully deviated from Jewish history by being powerful.

Goldberg set up his article as an indirect dialogue between far-leftist novelist David Grossman, whose son Uri was killed in the Second Lebanon War and Olmert - who Grossman blames for his son's death. Goldberg served as the moderator. Goldberg's decision to focus his analysis on Grossman was a revealing one. While Grossman enjoys a pride of place among the radical leftist elite, he is a marginal figure in Israeli society. Yet by Goldberg's telling, Grossman is a giant. As he tells it, Grossman's son's death in war, "became a national tragedy." Yet this is untrue.

Goldberg likes Grossman, because like Goldberg, Grossman doesn't feel comfortable with Jewish power. Goldberg notes approvingly that during the course of the Second Lebanon war, Grossman held a press conference with fellow radical leftist novelists A.B. Yehoshua and Amoz Oz demanding that Israel not launch a ground offensive in Lebanon. Goldberg ignores the fact that their call was widely ignored by the general public and to the extent that their press conference evoked a response, it was a negative one.

Goldberg recalled that after that press conference, Grossman told him, "Force [against Hizbullah] will fan the flames of hatred for Israel in the region and the entire world, and may even... create the situation that will bring upon us the next war and push the Middle East to an all-out regional war."

What is bizarre about Grossman's statement is that it was made while Israel was in the midst of a regional war. The war was fought by Hizbullah forces but it was directed by Iran, and Hizbullah was armed and equipped by Syria with Russian assistance. Today Grossman, who advocates negotiations with Iran's Palestinian proxy Hamas, is none the wiser and no less isolated from mainstream Israeli opinion. Yet Goldberg misleads his readers by claiming that Grossman's views are mainstream and influential.

Goldberg's assessment of Israel as destined to fail is predicated on two ideological opinions which imbue both his narrative and his analysis. First, he claims that Israel's decision to build communities beyond the 1949 armistice lines is the reason that the Arabs refuse to make peace with it. That is, it is Israel's fault that there is no peace. Arabs are not actors, they merely react to Israel. Second, and more fundamentally, Goldberg argues because Israel is powerful, it is necessarily immoral.

For Goldberg, it is military strength, or the absence of military strength, that determines if a nation should be supported or delegitimized.

Far from a moral argument, Goldberg's second assertion renders his analysis a moral perversion. For him, there is no distinction between actors, only between their relative military power. It is military strength, or the absence of military strength, that determines if a nation should be supported or delegitimized. In his mind, there is little difference between a powerful Israel and a powerful Germany. Both are destined to use power to advance evil. By the same token, since America is militarily powerful, its campaign in Iraq is evil and since al-Qaida in Iraq is militarily weak, it is a victim, and good, just like the Palestinians.

Goldberg's view is just as familiar as Petrou's. As Prof. Ruth Wisse from Harvard University wrote in her recently published book Jews and Power, throughout the years of Jewish powerlessness in 18 centuries of exile, many Jews confused their tragic and lamentable existential condition for a moral virtue. They reviled Zionism with its message of Jewish empowerment because they refused to recognize that power can be used to advance both good and evil, depending on the identity of those who wield it. For Goldberg, then, it is the very success of Zionism in empowering Jews that makes it unacceptable.

In the end, the unifying factor in Petrou's and Goldberg's anti-Zionism is that both ignore Zionists. For Petrou, Zionists are irrelevant because they are doomed to fail whoever they are. For Goldberg, Zionists are no more than symbols. They cannot be moral because they are powerful.

Israel's success is a testament to the enduring ingenuity and strength of the Jewish people as moral actors. The longevity of anti-Zionism is a testament to the fact that no matter what Israel's accomplishments, there will always be those who fail to see them.

Mil
05-12-2008, 04:52 PM
These idiotic American Jews make me laugh.

Yala
05-12-2008, 07:28 PM
The Arab demographic time bomb is a fiction.


Umm, no it's not. And I'm not talking about Palestinians in the territories here. I'm talking about those Palestinians within the Green Line who Jews mistakenly refer to as Israeli Arabs. They started out as something like 300k or so when Israel started and they now number 1.5 -2 million and they are as hostile and against a Jewish state as ever.

They are Palestinians and therefore should be part of the Palestinian state. Are we that stupid to ignore the lessons of Lebanon?

orwellsghost
05-13-2008, 06:48 AM
Umm, no it's not. And I'm not talking about Palestinians in the territories here. I'm talking about those Palestinians within the Green Line who Jews mistakenly refer to as Israeli Arabs. They started out as something like 300k or so when Israel started and they now number 1.5 -2 million and they are as hostile and against a Jewish state as ever.

They are Palestinians and therefore should be part of the Palestinian state. Are we that stupid to ignore the lessons of Lebanon?

If you look at the statistics from the Israel Bureau of Statistics you will notice that the birth rate of 'Israeli Arabs' has declined dramatically in the last 10 years whilst the birth rate of Israeli Jews has increased. The real problem is that many Palestinians have found their way into Israel and are living as 'Israeli Arabs' hence the explanation for why the statistics for Arabs living in Israel has grown out of proportion to their original numbers in 1948.

I agree that something has to be done about this 5th column but what and how? Lieberman (dare I speak his name) had a suggestion that Israel should swap its large settlement areas (M. Adumim, Ariel, Gush Etzion etc) with areas that are currently home to Israeli arabs (Umm El Fahm, Arara, Baqa-el-Gharbiya etc). I think the idea was that this would be the most humane way of giving Israeli Arabs the Palestinian identity they so crave without displacing them whilst at the same time holding onto the settlement blocks. I don't know if anyone is taking this suggestion seriously or not or if they would if it hadn't come from Lieberman?

Mediocrates
05-13-2008, 11:35 AM
The point is that it doesn't really matter. If you read the Arab and/or western liberal press you'll be barraged by an endless chant of "They're infinitely powerful - they're doomed to failure.

Go to Salon.com and read the letters to the editor for ANY column by Glenn Greenwald, as an example. Glenn is one of those darlings of the blogosphere who scratches out an antisemitic screed just about 5 days a week. A free-speech American expat in Brazil who's violently opposed to the current administration, he's also in a past career as a 1st Amendment attorney, defended Mathew Hale and the Church of the Creator, a neo nazi cult. If that weren't bad enough, his fans make neo nazis look like polite company.

Yala
05-13-2008, 12:29 PM
If you look at the statistics from the Israel Bureau of Statistics you will notice that the birth rate of 'Israeli Arabs' has declined dramatically in the last 10 years

What, from 10 kids per woman to 4 or 5? Does it really make a difference?


The real problem is that many Palestinians have found their way into Israel and are living as 'Israeli Arabs' hence the explanation for why the statistics for Arabs living in Israel has grown out of proportion to their original numbers in 1948.

And they will continue to do so. They marry with people within the green line, they are allowed to work in the green line and they never leave, etc.etc.


I agree that something has to be done about this 5th column

They are not all a 5th column. The ones loyal to Israel should stay. All Druze should stay, if they wish.


but what and how? Lieberman (dare I speak his name) had a suggestion that Israel should swap its large settlement areas (M. Adumim, Ariel, Gush Etzion etc) with areas that are currently home to Israeli arabs (Umm El Fahm, Arara, Baqa-el-Gharbiya etc). I think the idea was that this would be the most humane way of giving Israeli Arabs the Palestinian identity they so crave without displacing them whilst at the same time holding onto the settlement blocks. I don't know if anyone is taking this suggestion seriously or not or if they would if it hadn't come from Lieberman?

Lieberman's plan is the only one that makes sense, although it needs tweaking, if Israel is to remain a Jewish state.

orwellsghost
05-14-2008, 12:40 AM
What, from 10 kids per woman to 4 or 5? Does it really make a difference?

And they will continue to do so. They marry with people within the green line, they are allowed to work in the green line and they never leave, etc.etc.

They are not all a 5th column. The ones loyal to Israel should stay. All Druze should stay, if they wish.

Lieberman's plan is the only one that makes sense, although it needs tweaking, if Israel is to remain a Jewish state.

Yes, a reduction from 10 to 4 does make a difference, and every year it decreases further, whilst the birth rate of Israeli Jews goes up (albeit less dramatically). The recent reduction in child benefit has had quite an impact on the birth rate of both Arab Israelis. I am not talking about the Druze or Christian Arabs who tend not to agitate against the state.

orwellsghost
05-14-2008, 12:44 AM
The point is that it doesn't really matter. If you read the Arab and/or western liberal press you'll be barraged by an endless chant of "They're infinitely powerful - they're doomed to failure.

Go to Salon.com and read the letters to the editor for ANY column by Glenn Greenwald, as an example. Glenn is one of those darlings of the blogosphere who scratches out an antisemitic screed just about 5 days a week. A free-speech American expat in Brazil who's violently opposed to the current administration, he's also in a past career as a 1st Amendment attorney, defended Mathew Hale and the Church of the Creator, a neo nazi cult. If that weren't bad enough, his fans make neo nazis look like polite company.

The Western European press has an inherent interest in seeing the Jewish state fail. They have not succeeded in destroying us through the holocaust so they change their tactics to psychological/intellectual warfare and try and discredit us and worst of all, try and make us believe that we have no right to live as Jews in Israel. We must resist the temptation to be liked or to be popular as imo, the are more dangerous than the Arabs.