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KettleWhistle
05-24-2008, 12:02 PM
Norman Finkelstein deported from Israel
Controversial US academic held overnight at Ben Gurion airport for questioning, denied entry due to 'security considerations' Eli Senyor and Adva Naftali Published: 05.24.08, 21:05 / Israel News (http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3082,00.html)
Israel deported Jewish-American Professor Norman Finkelstein to the United States on Friday after questioning him at Ben Gurion airport. Finkelstein was denied entry due to "security concerns," authorities said.
Finkelstein was detained immediately after landing in Israel late Thursday night and was questioned at the airport before being told he could not enter Israel.
"Finkelstein was boarded onto a plane back the United States before dawn. When he arrived we will decide whether to appeal this decision," his attorney, Michael Sfard, told Ynet. Sfard said the entry ban could last 10 years.
"A country that starts to fear what its harshest critics write about it is a country that is already behaving in a manner reminiscent of the darkest days of the communist regime," said Sfard. [Oh, really? So Israel should just let any anti-Semite come in to incite anti-Jewish hatered?]
Finkelstein, the son of a Holocaust survivor, has written extensively regarding Israel's policies in the territories and accuses Israel of manipulating the memory of the Holocaust and present-day anti-Semitism to justify illegitimate policies.
His work has garnered considerable admiration in some circles and scathing criticism in others.
In a much-publicized mêlée, he was denied tenure at DePaul University in 2007, reportedly over the frequent criticism lobbed at him from numerous academic and public figures, most notably Harvard's Alan Dershowitz.
The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) denounced Finkelstein's deportation. "The decision to prevent someone from voicing their opinions by arresting and deporting them is typical of a totalitarian regime. A democratic state, where freedom of expression is the highest principle, does not shut out criticism or ideas just because they are uncomfortable for its authorities to hear, it confronts those ideas in public debate," said ACRI Attorney Oded Peler. [Nice attempt at disinformation, but being a democratic state, which Israel is not, has nothing to do with freedom of expression, which Israel doesn't have. Nor does having freedom of expression entitles one to enter the country. ]
source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3547270,00.html
NewsGuy
05-24-2008, 07:13 PM
Finkelstein, the son of a Holocaust survivor, has written extensively regarding Israel's policies in the territories and accuses Israel of manipulating the memory of the Holocaust and present-day anti-Semitism to justify illegitimate policies.
Unfortunately, many children of Holocaust survivors have received a very messed-up upbringing. I heavily suspect that Finkelstein is a victim of that.
Still, I enjoyed reading that piece of news. He should be kicked out not only of Israel, but of every Jewish association, since he is a self-hating Jew who's put in a lot of effort to hurt the Jewish people.
Are they f**ing crazy??!!!!! Finkelstein is an idiot but Israel is not third world cr**Phole either. He should have been allowed to enter. Anti-Zionism and Holocaust denial is definetly not a crime (unless you are in Europe).
Mediocrates
05-24-2008, 10:35 PM
Yes and no. Provocateurs who land and then pick a fight with the customs officers are begging to be made an example of. Doesn't Israel have specific laws like any other country about who can and cannot enter?
Did you know that Americans with ANY criminal record are barred from entry into Canada for example? And Canadians with (now) the slightest problem in their paperwork can be barred from entry for 2 years into the US?
Mediocrates
05-24-2008, 10:36 PM
And he wasn't deported. He was barred from entry. Ex concentration camp guards who live in a country for decades get deported.
farmall
05-25-2008, 03:20 AM
There is no reason to allow enemies entry into Israel.
In fact, there is no longer reason to tolerate enemies at all. Because such enemies try to destroy us under the cover of our own laws and customs, we should (and we can with enough support) put them outside the protection of law and custom.
Our enemies shouldn't be breathing, let alone travel freely to help subvert and destroy civilization under the cover of their supposed "rights". The US should learn from this example and do a better job of keeping enemies (be they Muslims or their sympathizers) out.
Too bad we have to take Finkelstein back. We should have a way to declare cultural enemies stateless and remove their citizenship even if they were born in our countries. We need to devise ways to turn the full force of government against them.
Aliyah1995
05-25-2008, 04:00 AM
I think they should have allowed Finklestein to stay in Ramallah with his buddies....
dayag
05-25-2008, 04:25 AM
I think they should have allowed Finklestein to stay in Ramallah with his buddies....
Finkelstein's buddies are the ones in Gaza firing the missles. They should have deported him over the border into Hamastan and left him there to rot.
The man is our enemy and we are under no moral or legal obligation to let him roam freely around our country.
But since he is Jewish, I wonder what they would have done if he said he wanted to make Aliyah?
He deserved it. Why should he be allowed to enjoy an Israel which he constantly attacks? Good for them.
Are they f**ing crazy??!!!!! Finkelstein is an idiot but Israel is not third world cr**Phole either. He should have been allowed to enter. Anti-Zionism and Holocaust denial is definetly not a crime (unless you are in Europe).
Excuse me but is Britain a third world craphole? Don't they threaten to arrest IDF chiefs once they land in Britain? Wouldn't you say that's more "third world" than barring entry? Have some perspective will you? He was there to cause trouble and Israelis were smart to cut him off in his tracks.
By the way, I think they passed some sort of Holocaust denial law in Israel recently.
Aliyah1995
05-25-2008, 10:12 AM
Excuse me but is Britain a third world craphole? Don't they threaten to arrest IDF chiefs once they land in Britain? Wouldn't you say that's more "third world" than barring entry? Have some perspective will you? He was there to cause trouble and Israelis were smart to cut him off in his tracks.
By the way, I think they passed some sort of Holocaust denial law in Israel recently.
Bravo, Yala. If Britian can bar entry to Moshe Feiglin for being a war hero, then Israel can bar Norman Finklestein for being a little terd....
Steven
05-25-2008, 12:12 PM
There is no reason to allow enemies entry into Israel.
In fact, there is no longer reason to tolerate enemies at all. Because such enemies try to destroy us under the cover of our own laws and customs, we should (and we can with enough support) put them outside the protection of law and custom.
Our enemies shouldn't be breathing, let alone travel freely to help subvert and destroy civilization under the cover of their supposed "rights". The US should learn from this example and do a better job of keeping enemies (be they Muslims or their sympathizers) out.
Too bad we have to take Finkelstein back. We should have a way to declare cultural enemies stateless and remove their citizenship even if they were born in our countries. We need to devise ways to turn the full force of government against them.
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Posted by Yala:
Excuse me but is Britain a third world craphole? Don't they threaten to arrest IDF chiefs once they land in Britain?
Like I said - unless you are a European. :)
Wouldn't you say that's more "third world" than barring entry? Have some perspective will you? He was there to cause trouble and Israelis were smart to cut him off in his tracks.
Israel is a free country and if Finkelstein wants to visit it - let him. He did not do anything outside of his own personal views ( a lot more dubious people were allowed into Israel). He is not a security threat of any sort but a looney professor at DePaul (university attended by my wife, my sister-in-law, her boyfriend and tons of my friends).
One of the most ardent active members of the Soviet Jewish anti-Zionist committee (organization which started in the sixties) was Matvei Vainrub who was a WWII veteran and a hero of the Soviet Union ( a rarity in itself). Many of the members of this committee ,being devoted communists, truly believed in anti-Zionism. I once got to read some statements Matvei Vainrub put together about Israel, Zionism and Jewish role in all this - Finky rests on the sidelines. Anyways in the 90s Mr. Vainrub immigrated to Israel along with his children and even has a small park, I believe in Haifa, named after him for his role at killing Nazis during the war.
Thought police - leave it to the idiotic Euros who are afraid of their own history and need laws to uphold it. I really hope Israel is well beyond that.
By the way, I think they passed some sort of Holocaust denial law in Israel recently.
I did not here it but if they did - they are complete IDIOTS!!!! Leave this cr**p to the Europeans.
KettleWhistle
06-23-2008, 08:06 PM
Boy George denied U.S. visa for planned tour
By Mitchell Peters Mon Jun 23, 7:44 PM ET
LOS ANGELES (Billboard) - Culture Club frontman Boy George has been forced to cancel his North American summer tour after U.S. authorities refused to issue him a visa, citing looming legal issues overseas.
George's 24-date North American trek was scheduled to begin July 11 at the House of Blues in Las Vegas, and wrap August 23 at the House of Blues in Dallas.
"At the moment, Boy George cannot come to the United States of America because he has been refused permission to enter by the USA Administration," read a statement from the artist's management. "This is not in respect of anything he has done in the past but because he is facing a trial in November in London for something that happened in April last year."
George was arrested last year after a 28-year-old male escort from Norway accused the singer/DJ of false imprisonment and assault. George later denied the allegations and was released on bail.
"George's lawyers in London have absolutely forbidden us to speak about the facts of that case and all I can say is that George is astounded at the decision and is having lawyers here in the States look at it in the hope that someone will change their mind," the statement continued. "George really would love to come to America and repay his American fans loyalty and that is why we are asking the US Authorities to reconsider their decision."
In 2001, George supported the release of his "Essential Mix" collection with a brief DJ-tour of the U.S. George has also toured and performed DJ sets in Australia, Asia, Europe and Canada.
Reuters/Billboard
source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080623/en_nm/boygeorge_dc
relevance: self-explanatory
Mediocrates
06-23-2008, 09:02 PM
All Americans can be and almost always are barred from entry to Canada for any criminal record.
Snoop Dogg (Calvin Broadus) barred from the UK, forever, for prior criminal charges.
BTW Fink wasn't deported. That takes a deportation hearing. He was barred entry.
Israel is a free country and if Finkelstein wants to visit it - let him. He did not do anything outside of his own personal views ( a lot more dubious people were allowed into Israel). He is not a security threat of any sort
He met with Hezbollah in Lebanon a month before. I believe that is what did him in.
Domestic guru Stewart barred from UK entry
Martin Hodgson
The Guardian, Saturday June 21, 2008
Article history
Martha Stewart, the American domestic guru, has been banned from entering the UK because of her criminal record, it emerged last night.
Stewart, who was convicted in 2004 of several offences related to an illicit share deal, was planning to visit Britain for business engagements, but was denied permission to enter the country by the Border Agency.
Last night, her spokesman said the 66-year-old entrepreneur hoped the government would reverse the decision. Charles Koppelman, chairman of Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia, said: "Martha loves England; the country and English culture are near and dear to her heart. She has engagements with English companies and business leaders and hopes this can be resolved so that she will be able to visit."
US citizens are generally able to enter the UK without a visa, but people with certain convictions must apply for a visa. It was not clear whether Stewart had applied for a visa and been rejected, or had attempted to enter the country under the waiver. The Home Office, which runs the Border Agency, said it did not comment on individual cases. "We continue to oppose the entry to the UK of individuals where we believe their presence in the United Kingdom is not conducive to the public good or where they have been found guilty of serious criminal offenses abroad," it said.
Stewart was found guilty of conspiracy, making false statements and obstruction of agency proceedings.
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