Lebanon Threatening War?

[NewsGuy]

Now that Hezbullah and Iran effectively rule Lebanon, the IDF is becoming increasingly concerned that the new terrorist-infested Lebanese army is preparing for war against Israel.

This week, the Lebanese army paved a road to be used by military vehicles to access Har Dov, the area currently ruled by Israel, which includes the disputed Shebaa Farms. This would enable a direct ground attack on the IDF troops stationed there. Adding to the concern, is Lebanon's new president, Suleiman, said that Lebanon would free Har Dov by force if diplomacy failed. However, he refused to negotiate directly with Israel on the topic.

At the same time, Hezbullah continues to arm itself at a frenetic pace, building new fortifications along the border with Israel, and the IDF expressed concern this week that Hezbullah might attack Israel after the prisoner/cadaver exchange.

Lebanon also deployed anti-aircraft systems, which along with Syria's own system, could present the IAF with a major problem in case of a military conflict.

With Nasrallah effectively at the helm of the Lebanese government and in control of much of Lebanon's army and his own (more powerful) army, and military preparations underway, the question arises, whether Lebanon is preparing to launch the third Lebanon War?

[Mediocrates]

I'm not sure Lebanon's regular army would follow him. Maybe they would but I doubt it. Also it was remarked that the IAF in its recent Mediterranean exercises, was able to test out Greec's air defense system which is also a Russian supplied S-300 SA-20 system very similar to that owned or will be owned by Syria, Hezbollah and Iran.

[Steven]

It is just a matter of time. Does the U.S. still consider Lebanon an allie?

[farmall]

Conventional war is desirable because it will give Israel the excuse to destroy Lebanon, which is only of worth as an expendable battleground. More escalation in the region is always a plus, because escalation favors conventional warfighting.

[Mediocrates]

There won't be conventional battles. There will be a mixture of SRBM's, IRBM's, artillery rockets, anti armor and anti aircraft missiles, guerrilla tactics, IED's and terrorism in urban centers. In that kind of warspace, a tank or APC is almost like a fixed position. And while the IDF discovered that cheap replaceable slat armor is a great stopgap to anti armor missiles, it's not a cure all. And now they won't be able to use cluster munitions, politically speaking.

[Mil]

I really doubt Lebanon will go to war with Israel. They are not completely stupid out there.

I believe the Russian anti-aircraft defenses are owned by Crete not Greece.

[second_coming]

I am so outraged that Kuntar that POS was released, I am having trouble concentrating.

The US government has failed its people. Everyone knows that the Europeans are fuc-ing garbage, and that they would appease Iran, but for Israel and the US to allow Iran to get this far is just completely irresponsible, and unthinkable.

I am beyond words at this point, and would like to impeach all of Congress and replace them with humans who can see the forest for the trees.

I would launch full-scale military attack on lebanon, Gaza and Iran, in coordination with the IDF, to utterly obliterate the terrorist forces, particularly the Iranian fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers, from this earth.

I would also ignore the rules of war as laid out in the Geneva Conventions, and give fair warning to any NGOs or similar groups who try to prevent the war effort from being fully applied to all civilian populations as needed - who make up, particularly in southern lebanon, the primary resource supporting and sustaining the various terrorist groups - that they would be arrested.

If AI or HRW makes any attempt to slow down the necessary task of fighting this war as WW2 was fought - with the total anhilation of these terroris entities - they should be targeted as well. The same can be said for any elements of the press.

[j_y]

It is just a matter of time. Does the U.S. still consider Lebanon an allie?

the US considered the seniora goverment an ally, not lebanon as an ally

lebanon never got anything from the US, just terms and conditions and wars

now that hizbollah got the "veto power" as you guys put it, the cards are certainly shuffled
been a while since I posted here ;)

I would launch full-scale military attack on lebanon, Gaza and Iran, in coordination with the IDF, to utterly obliterate the terrorist forces, particularly the Iranian fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers, from this earth.

I would also ignore the rules of war as laid out in the Geneva Conventions, and give fair warning to any NGOs or similar groups who try to prevent the war effort from being fully applied to all civilian populations as needed - who make up, particularly in southern lebanon, the primary resource supporting and sustaining the various terrorist groups - that they would be arrested.
you already tried all that in 2006
didn't work :tdown:

[Mediocrates]

I really doubt Lebanon will go to war with Israel. They are not completely stupid out there.

I believe the Russian anti-aircraft defenses are owned by Crete not Greece.


No they were sold to Cyprus who sold them to Greece.

[Steven]

the US considered the seniora goverment an ally, not lebanon as an ally

lebanon never got anything from the US, just terms and conditions and wars

now that hizbollah got the "veto power" as you guys put it, the cards are certainly shuffled
been a while since I posted here ;)

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you already tried all that in 2006
didn't work :tdown:

So what are you some Hezbollah terrorist supporter? The U.S. gave your country $140 million after the last Lebanon-Israel war, to help rebulid. For a war that your Hezbollah supporting country started. I wish we never gave you guys a dime.

No, Israel did not try that, not even close. They fought a politicallly correct war. If they take the gloves off your country will not know what hit them.

[kleqkleq]

I am so outraged that Kuntar that POS was released, I am having trouble concentrating.

The US government has failed its people. Everyone knows that the Europeans are fuc-ing garbage, and that they would appease Iran, but for Israel and the US to allow Iran to get this far is just completely irresponsible, and unthinkable.

I am beyond words at this point, and would like to impeach all of Congress and replace them with humans who can see the forest for the trees.

I would launch full-scale military attack on lebanon, Gaza and Iran, in coordination with the IDF, to utterly obliterate the terrorist forces, particularly the Iranian fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers, from this earth.

I would also ignore the rules of war as laid out in the Geneva Conventions, and give fair warning to any NGOs or similar groups who try to prevent the war effort from being fully applied to all civilian populations as needed - who make up, particularly in southern lebanon, the primary resource supporting and sustaining the various terrorist groups - that they would be arrested.

If AI or HRW makes any attempt to slow down the necessary task of fighting this war as WW2 was fought - with the total anhilation of these terroris entities - they should be targeted as well. The same can be said for any elements of the press.

I hear you loud and clear and I'm on the same page here. It's time for a new Middle East.

:reb:

[j_y]

So what are you some Hezbollah terrorist supporter? The U.S. gave your country $140 million after the last Lebanon-Israel war, to help rebulid. For a war that your Hezbollah supporting country started. I wish we never gave you guys a dime.

No, Israel did not try that, not even close. They fought a politicallly correct war. If they take the gloves off your country will not know what hit them.

I am just an observer ;)
140 million dollars is nothing
it is symbolic
israel got billions after the war

israel killed 1000 civilain and barely 150 to 200 hizbollah soldier
christian areas were spared and alot of areas remained untouched by israel, that's true


I am still shocked though, I fail to understand how israel agreed to this deal.
it is not logical
even if the 2 prisonners were alive and israel was negotiating for 2 living prisonners, giving back kuntar and maybe one other prisonner with a couple of bodies is enough
that is they were assumed living
but israel knew or had hints that they were dead
so what gives?

[Mediocrates]

Because they are committed to bringing every last soldier back. It's about honor and respect and grace.

[Mil]

Posted by j_y:

israel killed 1000 civilain and barely 150 to 200 hizbollah soldier

Nobody really knows how many Hizbullah "soldiers" were killed. Hizbullah is not very keen on giving this information - as it did not on what happened to the two soldiers. Only on the civilians.

140 million dollars is nothing
it is symbolic
israel got billions after the war

? Israel gets money from US as part of the peace deal signed between itself and Egypt. The latter gets 2 billion yearly.

What bothers me is how STUPID is Nasrallah to risk a war with Israel for two dead soldiers!!!! It could have ended right there and then. Unless the two were killed afterwards.

[Bheeshma]

WHat happened to cpl Gilad shalit? Why were 5 live bastard released for dead soldiers? As sson as the hezbollah bought the coffins the five should have been gunned down or at the very least strapped with time bomb and blown up infront of hezbollah.

[NewsGuy]

I'm not sure Lebanon's regular army would follow him.
Approx. 30% of Lebanon's army are Shiites, i.e., Hezbullah foot-soldiers loyal to Nasrallah.

[NewsGuy]

There won't be conventional battles. There will be a mixture of SRBM's, IRBM's, artillery rockets, anti armor and anti aircraft missiles, guerrilla tactics, IED's and terrorism in urban centers. In that kind of warspace, a tank or APC is almost like a fixed position. And while the IDF discovered that cheap replaceable slat armor is a great stopgap to anti armor missiles, it's not a cure all. And now they won't be able to use cluster munitions, politically speaking.
The IDF will try to limit its conventional warfare, but t will not be able to avoid it. Face-to-face in guerrilla combat, Hezbullah is superior to Israel's drafted doctors, lawyers, and accountants.

The IDF will need to overshoot Hezbullah's bunkers and artillery positions and close in from both sides with ground troops, while there will be a non-stop aerial bombardment. (The only part of the IDF that is professional or the least bit competent, is its air force.) This time, the IAF must plunge all of Lebanon into a civilian infrastructure crisis -- except in the areas populated by the non-Aoun Christians. The Lebanese parliament building and its commercial centers need to be flattened this time. There can no longer be a distinction between Hezbullah and the rest of Lebanon.

Cluster bombs are an absolute must, regardless of the political pressure. If Syria fires AA at Israeli jets, Damascus must be targeted, with Assad and his family at the top of the list.

This time, there is no avoiding a clear, unambiguous victory, with a symbolic defeat dealt to the Arabs. At the same time, I would imagine that Israel will suffer great destruction, as well, as the IDF is mostly incapable of defending the country.

[MGB8]

First, Israeli killed about 500 Hezbollah fighters.

Second, given that Hezbollah now owns Lebanon, the next war must not be like the last. Villages and positions must be completely destroyed, not left more or less intact due to precision strikes on one building or another... the entire war infrastructure must be eliminated. That means 10x the casualties, at minimum, 50x the destruction, and far more ruthlessness.

Israel cannot afford the perception of weakness that the last war and now this ridiculous "swap" have brought. It will encourage more attacks, and force Israeli into the nuclear option.

[orangeblossom]

OK...what is this saying Hezbollah and Iran 'effectively' rule lebanon?

Are you saying that over 1 million ppl have nothing to say?
Last I saw, Druze killed the shit out of Hezbollah when they entered their area, and Nsrallah didn't CONSIDER ENTERING CHRISITAN ONES!

This is just plain STUPID!

The world gave Nasrallah not even 1/4 of an acre of it to rule...and you are crying in your pants over him? A man 10 feet underground?

Where is your support to those revolutionairies in IRan? Don't have it do you, for an overthrow.

FOR SOME DANG REASON...you want ppl to fix politicans mistakes...and then you want ppl to rush into war with no guns to fix the problem too.

For goodness sakes....do not over-inflate crap. And, that is what Hezbollah and IRan are....CRAP!

Get a grip on yourself.

Lov ya...OB

[orangeblossom]

YOu want to get rid of Hezbollah? Beef up ppl like Lebanese Forces...get the guns to them, and you get rid of them. Wipe out Frangieh, Aounies, etc.

Arabs will attack LF's, and if you pull out like you did in Zahle...then do not expect it to last. There is no Saddam Hussein, who hates Syria anymore to support the christians.

What you have is the next generation of Lebanese Sunni Muslims who are CURRENTLY OPEN TO FREEDOM!..Don't ruin that with the HArrir investigations.

Last I heard on the news....from them, "Olmert was more honorable that Hasouna." You do not want to kill that.

Luv ya....OB