President Obama

[Mediocrates]

So why aren't all the Palestinians here now violent

[Y. Shulamith]

This is about the US not Israel. There's several hundred thousand Palestinians in the US right now. I would rather have the people who want to leave instead of the people who don't.

I tend to agree with this. There are Muslims now in the USA from Egypt, Jordan, Albania and other Muslim nations who I believe are more of a threat than the Pallies. The Pallies who want to leave are probably the most "normal" people of their kind.

Although this doesn't say much for the concept of "normal", I'd say that these people, are clammoring to escape oppression and won't soon forget, if and when they get to the USA, how despicable living in an oppressive regime is and will not wish to bring it with them to the USA.

[CanDo]

So why aren't all the Palestinians here now violent

The biggest threat to the US comes from the Muslims within the US, whether Palestinian or not.

Muslim schools and mosques in the US are hotbeds for hatred and religious intolerance. They are bringing their centuries old hatreds with them, just as they have done throughout Europe.

If you are waiting for the transplanted Pals and other Muslims to turn violent, you might not have to wait much longer.

[Y. Shulamith]

The biggest threat to the US comes from the Muslims within the US, whether Palestinian or not.

Muslim schools and mosques in the US are hotbeds for hatred and religious intolerance. They are bringing their centuries old hatreds with them, just as they have done throughout Europe.

If you are waiting for the transplanted Pals and other Muslims to turn violent, you might not have to wait much longer.


If any of these critters were to start touble here in the USA, I do believe that they would be taken down so fast that their heads would spin. I also think that most of the players that are here in the USA are already being watched and their activities are being duly checked and infiltrated by the powers that be in homeland security, et al.

[Brody15]

What's ahead of us? Your views please.

Personally, I'm sure the next four years will be tough. We will all be tested. I pray that all of the posters here are not visited by any of their most hysterical predictions. So far neither Ayers nor Wright nor Farrikan have been appointed to cabinet. So far Obama hasn't sworn in on a Quran. So far the brown shirts haven't knocked at your doors and taken away your guns and all your assets.

Instead of kicking yourselves and staying up trying to find a piece of mud big enough to dislodge Obama, learn the lesson of this campaign. Hate politics isn't a good tool when you pull it out everyday. People got numb after three campaigns waged exactly that way. They were tired of hearing about Obama's aunt and her $250 dollar contribution when the world was crashing around them.

You've got 4 years to build a better mousetrap. But be warned, if it's not a solution but merely more mud, well- make that eight years.

I agree that hate politics are bad. It was horrible against Palin.

[Y. Shulamith]

I agree that hate politics are bad. It was horrible against Palin.

I think that Palin got exactly what she deserved; she is/was an air-head. Right now she is busy denying that her daughter and son-in-law are drop-outs because they are getting their GED......what in hell do you call a Graduate Equivalency Diploma?????

They are called drop-outs because they didn't get their degrees from high school....they dropped-out of high school, each one respectively, the knocked-up and the knockee, and got their GED's = drop-out, by any other name.

As for Obama, my I thought his time on TV the other night was well done AND imagine my delight when he used the word BELLICOSE in it's proper way and without stumbling, talking ass-backwards,........my, my, someone who can speak like a statesman and I am glad for that, regardless of religion, race, creed, or color.

[Madeline]

I think that Palin got exactly what she deserved; she is/was an air-head. Right now she is busy denying that her daughter and son-in-law are drop-outs because they are getting their GED......what in hell do you call a Graduate Equivalency Diploma?????

They are called drop-outs because they didn't get their degrees from high school....they dropped-out of high school, each one respectively, the knocked-up and the knockee, and got their GED's = drop-out, by any other name.

As for Obama, my I thought his time on TV the other night was well done AND imagine my delight when he used the word BELLICOSE in it's proper way and without stumbling, talking ass-backwards,........my, my, someone who can speak like a statesman and I am glad for that, regardless of religion, race, creed, or color.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I think Obama can't form a coherent sentence without being told what to say, and I think Sarah is brilliant. Go figure.:rolleyes:Now what?
Are we still on for sushi, regardless?

[Brody15]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I think Obama can't form a coherent sentence without being told what to say, and I think Sarah is brilliant. Go figure.:rolleyes:Now what?
Are we still on for sushi, regardless?

I want in on the Sushi. And I'm just saying about Palin, they ripped her apart, personally attacked her, and on the flip side, not one major media source had anything to say about Obama and his"muslim" ties, and although some Repubs talked about it, it wasn't part of the mainstream conservative rhetoric about Obama. I say this in response to Andaks statement about people using hate speech against Obama. Give me a break.

And I agree that Obama is good with the teleprompter but horrible off the cuff.

[Y. Shulamith]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I think Obama can't form a coherent sentence without being told what to say, and I think Sarah is brilliant. Go figure.:rolleyes:Now what?
Are we still on for sushi, regardless?

One man's meat is another man's poison, eh???:scratch:


Nothing has held me back from a good sushi/saki goings on!!!! *hic*:p:D We're on...

[CanDo]

Obama is in way over his head. He is forcing through a huge spending bill, of which he has very little knowledge of it's effect on the economy. He has already been challenged by Iran, Russia, India and Pakistan, and has done poorly.

Obama will play to his strength, being a rock star. He will spend most of his four years playing to crowds and letting the government run itself, or in other words, run away.

He has little Presidential or managerial experience, except running for office. He is a President-in-training-wheels, when we needed an experienced leader like Guiliani.

The US and consequently the free world is in for a rough four years! :eek:

[Madeline]

I think that Palin got exactly what she deserved; she is/was an air-head. Right now she is busy denying that her daughter and son-in-law are drop-outs because they are getting their GED......what in hell do you call a Graduate Equivalency Diploma?????

They are called drop-outs because they didn't get their degrees from high school....they dropped-out of high school, each one respectively, the knocked-up and the knockee, and got their GED's = drop-out, by any other name.

As for Obama, my I thought his time on TV the other night was well done AND imagine my delight when he used the word BELLICOSE in it's proper way and without stumbling, talking ass-backwards,........my, my, someone who can speak like a statesman and I am glad for that, regardless of religion, race, creed, or color.
I am not sure if Sarah is actually getting what she deserves. The following is a post from the Obama forum:
I know many who voted for Palin...
thought they would be able to have sex with her based on having voted for her.


Sadly I am in this same group and I must confess.

Lord Obama, pay for us
we pay to thee
we pay for those in debt
we pay for those in misery
we pay for those who lust after Sarah Palin
we pay for those who cannot pay for themselves
Let us Pay
(Amen)
They also want to lock up everyone who voted for her, esp. in TX. How's that for free elections?

[Y. Shulamith]

Obama is in way over his head. He is forcing through a huge spending bill, of which he has very little knowledge of it's effect on the economy. He has already been challenged by Iran, Russia, India and Pakistan, and has done poorly.

Obama will play to his strength, being a rock star. He will spend most of his four years playing to crowds and letting the government run itself, or in other words, run away.

He has little Presidential or managerial experience, except running for office. He is a President-in-training-wheels, when we needed an experienced leader like Guiliani.

The US and consequently the free world is in for a rough four years! :eek:


I don't think he is doing a bad job at all. I also think that Obama is a bright individual and can handle what is on his plate better than some of his predecessors.

A stimulus of some kind is absolutely imperative or we will have on our hands the type of problems that Hoover had with his hands off approach to problems and, not to mention, the fact that he financially choked an already unstable and already gasping financial system during the great depression. This was, in retrospect, what made the great depression as long and hard as it was until FDR came in with the new deal.

Please don't tell me that it was WWII that ended the depression. The depression was on it's way to being almost over by the time 1939 came around. If you need a citation, let me know.

[Madeline]

Who are the 'extraordinary' Muslims?
By Spengler

"My job is to communicate to the American people that the Muslim world is filled with extraordinary people who simply want to live their lives and see their children live better lives," United States President Barack Obama told an Arabic television channel on January 26. Really? What are their names? Word has come to the West of no extraordinary Muslim thinker since the 12th century. There is one first-rank Arab writer working today who tries to explain why there are no extraordinary Muslims - but on that more below.

By "extraordinary", to be sure, Obama means no more than Garrison Keillor meant in saying that the children of Lake Wobegon all are above average. There is no "there" in Obama's "patchwork", as he characterized America in his inaugural...........more

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KB03Ak03.html

[Sharona]

Please don't tell me that it was WWII that ended the depression. The depression was on it's way to being almost over by the time 1939 came around. If you need a citation, let me know.


Actually - I'd love a citation.

Not because I don't believe you, but because I have often heard that WWII was a tool created to end the depression. Given that people think we're heading for WWIII, and that some believe this current economic crisis is a manufactured one, I'd love to have something tangible to challenge back with.

If that makes sense!

[Madeline]

Actually - I'd love a citation.

Not because I don't believe you, but because I have often heard that WWII was a tool created to end the depression. Given that people think we're heading for WWIII, and that some believe this current economic crisis is a manufactured one, I'd love to have something tangible to challenge back with.

If that makes sense!
Do you really think that the Austrian mad man's goal was to end depression?

[CanDo]

I don't think he is doing a bad job at all.

Based on what?

He is hurrying through almost a trillion dollars in spending that even the finest financial experts wouldn't be able to properly analyze, plan and prepare in the short period of time available, in order to insure somewhat reasonably good results.

And..... instead of overseeing, supervising and managing this very important spending fiasco, as any good manager should be, he is out politicking!

We can consider this first trillion dollars to not only be filled with waste and corruption, but also result in future high levels of inflation. There is still the issue of how the other $250-$300 rescue billions were used.

Not a bad job? Just wait! :tdown:


I also think that Obama is a bright individual and can handle what is on his plate better than some of his predecessors.

Based on what? Just because he speaks well?

[Y. Shulamith]

Actually - I'd love a citation.

Not because I don't believe you, but because I have often heard that WWII was a tool created to end the depression. Given that people think we're heading for WWIII, and that some believe this current economic crisis is a manufactured one, I'd love to have something tangible to challenge back with.

If that makes sense!

One citation for now:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/presidents/32_f_roosevelt/f_roosevelt_domestic.html

[Y. Shulamith]

Based on what?

He is hurrying through almost a trillion dollars in spending that even the finest financial experts wouldn't be able to properly analyze, plan and prepare in the short period of time available, in order to insure somewhat reasonably good results.

And..... instead of overseeing, supervising and managing this very important spending fiasco, as any good manager should be, he is out politicking!

We can consider this first trillion dollars to not only be filled with waste and corruption, but also result in future high levels of inflation. There is still the issue of how the other $250-$300 rescue billions were used.

Not a bad job? Just wait! :tdown:



Based on what? Just because he speaks well?

That's for starters; how can you judge a man who hasn't even been in office for a month? That is just crazy, crazy. Until 9/11, George didn't do much, in office, except take a vacation.

You can hate Obama all you want, but please at least wait until there is something to hate Obama FOR because right now, you are making yourself look stupid.

George's bail-out had not enough transparency and strings attached, which is why so much money went to CEO's and executives getting such "well deserved" bonuses.

George did plenty of bailing out, for naught, before he left office. Give Obama a chance to see what he can do for the country.

I am pro bail-out because to do nothing is like being a "Hoover" with his "Hoovervilles" and during his tenure, 25% of the population had no work, and the country was fomenting a move to become socialist because Hoover had 3 more years to make a mess of his hands off approach. FDR came in and saved the country total ruination.

[Brody15]

Actually - I'd love a citation.

Not because I don't believe you, but because I have often heard that WWII was a tool created to end the depression. Given that people think we're heading for WWIII, and that some believe this current economic crisis is a manufactured one, I'd love to have something tangible to challenge back with.

If that makes sense!

Just something to keep in mind...war for the United States was inevitable. We stayed out of it probably longer than we should have. But with Pearl Harbor and I believe the germans were sinking our cargo ships, we had no choice but to enter the war. I'd say the war helped our economy, but to think the war was created to end the depression is crazy.

[Y. Shulamith]

Just something to keep in mind...war for the United States was inevitable. We stayed out of it probably longer than we should have. But with Pearl Harbor and I believe the germans were sinking our cargo ships, we had no choice but to enter the war. I'd say the war helped our economy, but to think the war was created to end the depression is crazy.

We did stay out longer than we should have since there was a strong isolationist movement going on..."I didn't raise my son to be a solider", etc. You'd have to be totally ignorant of factual history to even consider that WWII was created to end a depression is so totally offa the wall. What with Shitler, Tojo, the Blitz, Churchill, the lend-lease program to help save the Brits; no way!!! That's just plaint crazee...:rolleyes:

[CanDo]

That's for starters; how can you judge a man who hasn't even been in office for a month? That is just crazy, crazy.

I judge him by his management skills, which he is sorely lacking. You can tell a manager's competence quite quickly. He obviously isn't spending quality time selecting his most important personal advisers and staff. He isn't overseeing the spending of the most important economic package of his life and career. He isn't reacting effectively to foreign events. In a short period of time his Presidency is turning out to be a nightmare.

He has no idea what he is doing, so he goes out politicking around the country. That is crazy, crazy!

Everything he touches is turning into crap. As time goes by, I have no doubt that he will prove to be one of the worst, but most worshiped Presidents.


Until 9/11, George didn't do much, in office, except take a vacation.

George W. Bush was also not qualified to be President, but at least he and his trusty staff kept us safe.


You can hate Obama all you want, but please at least wait until there is something to hate Obama FOR because right now, you are making yourself look stupid.

I don't hate him. I hope that he is successful despite his obvious incompetency. I hope that he gets lucky and his simple solutions to complex problems, somehow, someway, work. But, in real life, bad management yields bad results, almost all the time.

[Y. Shulamith]

I judge him by his management skills, which he is sorely lacking. You can tell a manager's competence quite quickly. He obviously isn't spending quality time selecting his most important personal advisers and staff. He isn't overseeing the spending of the most important economic package of his life and career. He isn't reacting effectively to foreign events. In a short period of time his Presidency is turning out to be a nightmare.

He has no idea what he is doing, so he goes out politicking around the country. That is crazy, crazy!

Everything he touches is turning into crap. As time goes by, I have no doubt that he will prove to be one of the worst, but most worshiped Presidents.

George W. Bush was also not qualified to be President, but at least he and his trusty staff kept us safe.



I don't hate him. I hope that he is successful despite his obvious incompetency. I hope that he gets lucky and his simple solutions to complex problems, somehow, someway, work. But, in real life, bad management yields bad results, almost all the time.


Okay....deal, Obama isn't qualified and George wasn't, either!!! Would you care to run for Prez and show us some good management skillz????:lol:

As for myself, I didn't feel so safe with that cretin Rove and that low-life Cheney in the wings, pulling George's strings. I am well glad that that triumvirate of toxicity is gone.:D

[Madeline]

Okay....deal, Obama isn't qualified and George wasn't, either!!! Would you care to run for Prez and show us some good management skillz????:lol:

As for myself, I didn't feel so safe with that cretin Rove and that low-life Cheney in the wings, pulling George's strings. I am well glad that that triumvirate of toxicity is gone.:D
One hears repeated rumors that it is none other than Soros himself who pulls Obama's strings. Now that is scary.

[Y. Shulamith]

One hears repeated rumors that it is none other than Soros himself who pulls Obama's strings. Now that is scary.


I think they are meaningless smear tactics concerning Obama....but as regards George, it's a documented fact, who pulled his strings.

:D

[Madeline]

I think they are meaningless smear tactics concerning Obama....but as regards George, it's a documented fact, who pulled his strings.

:D
Or so they say. It all depends on your sources.;)

[Y. Shulamith]

Or so they say. It all depends on your sources.;)


Indeed, in the time of disinformation, black is white, up is down and red is green.......

:scratch:

[CanDo]

Would you care to run for Prez and show us some good management skillz????:lol:

I would not be qualified to be President if I had a million years to prepare. :unsure:

But, I've spent most of my career, with major corporations; managing, planning, analyzing, developing, coordinating and implementing projects, and in trouble shooting and repairing corporate problems. I feel that I am a fairly good judge of other's management skills, and what it takes to implement a successful project.

If a person like Obama came to me for a job, I would give him one in a heartbeat. He is bright. But..... he is raw under the collar and needs a lot of training.

Obama will get on-the-job training, as President. That is a very scary thing! :eek:

[Brody15]

I'm worried how the Obama admin will react to Israel's election results. Will they be able to work with a hardline Israeli government?

They sissy footing around. At least Bush was able to call out evil when it reared it's ugly head.

[bararallu]

Bush leaned pretty hard on Sharon. Do you remember "we are not Czechoslovakia" outburst? That didn't come from no where. Carter of course was the worst. Clinton is at least partially responsible for the PLO debacle. Most of it lands in the laps of the Peres et al.

[Madeline]

I would not be qualified to be President if I had a million years to prepare. :unsure:

But, I've spent most of my career, with major corporations; managing, planning, analyzing, developing, coordinating and implementing projects, and in trouble shooting and repairing corporate problems. I feel that I am a fairly good judge of other's management skills, and what it takes to implement a successful project.

If a person like Obama came to me for a job, I would give him one in a heartbeat. He is bright. But..... he is raw under the collar and needs a lot of training.

Obama will get on-the-job training, as President. That is a very scary thing! :eek:

Sounds like you are more qualified than what we have now.

[Brody15]

Bush leaned pretty hard on Sharon. Do you remember "we are not Czechoslovakia" outburst? That didn't come from no where. Carter of course was the worst. Clinton is at least partially responsible for the PLO debacle. Most of it lands in the laps of the Peres et al.

Yeah, I just read an article about how Sharon had to say no to Bush when Bush told him to hold off on ....I forgot what it was called..operation something.

I'm just saying Bush can call Evil "evil" I don't think Obama can.

[Steven]

So now Obama has said that the public will not see the stimulus bill until 72 hours AFTER it passes. It will then be on his site. Translation:I do not care what the public thinks about all the money I am wasting and I do not want to hear any criticism. Same for their "fairness" doctrine.

[Y. Shulamith]

Yeah, I just read an article about how Sharon had to say no to Bush when Bush told him to hold off on ....I forgot what it was called..operation something.

I'm just saying Bush can call Evil "evil" I don't think Obama can.


They told them not to fire back at Scud missles from Iran!!! All of Israel had to sit tight while fired upon....some nice guy!:stick:

[CanDo]

Sounds like you are more qualified than what we have now.

That has got to scare the hell out of everyone concerning our current leadership! :)

We live in an American Idol age. Our young have gotten used to voting based on personality and charisma rather than talent and ability.

Obama's supporters back him 100%, regardless of how effective he is as President, regardless of his experience, regardless of his very questionable character judgement; almost as though they were voting for the next American Idol, rather the leader of the free world.

His lack of character-judgement skills are showing up in his weak choices for very important cabinet and advisory positions.

The big difference is, if Obama was voted the winner of American Idol, instead of President, we wouldn't be faced with a weak, inexperienced government during these very dangerous, difficult times. Arghhhhhh!

Hopefully, somehow, someway, Israel will dodge that same bullet after a new government is formed under the strong, capable leader Netanyahu.

[CanDo]

So now Obama has said that the public will not see the stimulus bill until 72 hours AFTER it passes. It will then be on his site. Translation:I do not care what the public thinks about all the money I am wasting and I do not want to hear any criticism. Same for their "fairness" doctrine.

This trillion dollar Obama boondoggle is going to exchange a little short-term good for a lot of long-term damage. A trillion dollars will be placed into the hands of our corrupt, incompetent US Congress, which will be squandered, miss-spent, redirected towards friends and relatives; and where a lot of it will just disappear.

Obama has no idea of what he is doing, so he is reverting back to what he does best, politicking and lying to the public. He lacks all of the basic skills of good management. He is selecting his closest personal advisers and cabinet based on politics and buddies, rather than based on skills. He is pushing an absurd deadline for passage of a stimulus bill, not based on reality, but on politics.

American people voted this doofus into office, and have given this novice total power. What a nightmare.

America now has it's own version of Venezuela's left-wing President, Hugo Chavez.

[Madeline]

This trillion dollar Obama boondoggle is going to exchange a little short-term good for a lot of long-term damage. A trillion dollars will be placed into the hands of our corrupt, incompetent US Congress, which will be squandered, miss-spent, redirected towards friends and relatives; and where a lot of it will just disappear.

Obama has no idea of what he is doing, so he is reverting back to what he does best, politicking and lying to the public. He lacks all of the basic skills of good management. He is selecting his closest personal advisers and cabinet based on politics and buddies, rather than based on skills. He is pushing an absurd deadline for passage of a stimulus bill, not based on reality, but on politics.

American people voted this doofus into office, and have given this novice total power. What a nightmare.

America now has it's own version of Venezuela's left-wing President, Hugo Chavez.

Most of them don't have a clue what we want. My problem with the lot of the them, except one or two, is the fact that they are all in it for themselves, reading the writing on the wall, positioning themselves for what they fantasize the people want.
Once I hear, see, or read about a Politician who is not seeking to advance his own political career, I will, once again start believing a word they are saying.
I've had it with all of these career criminals without a backbone.

[CanDo]

... Once I hear, see, or read about a Politician who is not seeking to advance his own political career, I will, once again start believing a word they are saying.

The situation is worse than ever. These self-serving politicians now have carte-blanche to further their own careers and wallets and powerbase, without oversight and without worry about consequences.


I've had it with all of these career criminals without a backbone.

Sadly, just like the mentally challenged, retard Hugo Chavez is idolized by almost half of Venezuela, Obama's blinded followers will follow him and his political machine, leading America over an economic and unsafe abyss.

[Y. Shulamith]

Please....it's okay for the Republicans to start their tenure with Enron and leave with the destruction of the whole economy and THEN blame it on Obama.

Sounds pretty crazee to me. :rofl:

The two Bushes will go down as two of the worst presidents in history.

All this Obama-stimulus bashing is a lot of non-stop fearmongering and perverted hatred.:stick:

[CanDo]

Please....it's okay for the Republicans to start their tenure with Enron and leave with the destruction of the whole economy and THEN blame it on Obama.

The sub-prime mess happened under George Bush's Presidency. Bush did well at protecting us from the Islamist terrorists, after 9/11, but did not do a good job protecting us from our own congress and financial system.

To me, both the Republican Party and the Democrat Party are basically corrupt and ineffective and I don't trust them to watch out for the taxpayer.

What is your point? Are you saying that, because Bush and the Republicans were not effective and screwed up that it is OK if Obama lacks leadership and management skills, and if he screws up?

I think that we have the most ineffective, corrupt government of my lifetime, and that started happening before Obama became President.


The two Bushes will go down as two of the worst presidents in history.

You forgot about the brain-dead Jimmy Carter.


All this Obama-stimulus bashing is a lot of non-stop fearmongering and perverted hatred.:stick:

Hurriedly pushing through a huge spending package, or any major project, without proper analysis, evaluation, controls and oversight, is a path to failure every time, whether one is Democrat, Republican or if done by some of the best business minds in the world.

You obviously have a lot of faith and trust in our government. I don't. I hope that you are right and I am wrong.

[Madeline]

Please....it's okay for the Republicans to start their tenure with Enron and leave with the destruction of the whole economy and THEN blame it on Obama.

Sounds pretty crazee to me. :rofl:

The two Bushes will go down as two of the worst presidents in history.

All this Obama-stimulus bashing is a lot of non-stop fearmongering and perverted hatred.:stick:

I certainly would like to be enlightened as to what is in the stimulus bill. Would you please be so kind?
You make a perfect example of the blind hatred of two of our Presidents, yet, at the same time call on others not to do likewise.
It is not fearmongering if we have to borrow money to give to something we have no clue about. If you want to be a champion of this bill, please tell us exactly why it is handled so secretive, why we don't know where the money is going before the bill is signed into law...
Stop defending someone whom you know nothing about.
Papa and Baby Bush might have been a disaster, but they were so openly, for all to see.
It is about time we put partisanship aside and actually ask for something that is good for all.

[Madeline]

Please....it's okay for the Republicans to start their tenure with Enron and leave with the destruction of the whole economy and THEN blame it on Obama.

Sounds pretty crazee to me. :rofl:

The two Bushes will go down as two of the worst presidents in history.

All this Obama-stimulus bashing is a lot of non-stop fearmongering and perverted hatred.:stick:

Most of them don't have a clue what we want. My problem with the lot of the them, except one or two, is the fact that they are all in it for themselves, reading the writing on the wall, positioning themselves for what they fantasize the people want.
Once I hear, see, or read about a Politician who is not seeking to advance his own political career, I will, once again start believing a word they are saying.
I've had it with all of these career criminals without a backbone.


This, my dear, includes all

[Sharona]

[QUOTE=Madeline;292112]Most of them don't have a clue what we want. My problem with the lot of the them, except one or two, is the fact that they are all in it for themselves, reading the writing on the wall, positioning themselves for what they fantasize the people want.
Once I hear, see, or read about a Politician who is not seeking to advance his own political career, I will, once again start believing a word they are saying.
I've had it with all of these career criminals without a backbone.


I realise you're talking about the USA, but you've probably also spoken for the UK, here, Madeline. Except our lot position themselves according to what they think will suit their consitutency (thereby keeping their seat), and fantasize/don't care about the rest of the UK.
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[Y. Shulamith]

No president is as bad as the Bush's were; they outdid Hoover and as far as Obama goes, he's done nothing in his 3 week tenure to show any lack of skills needed to be president. He's human, not superman and he's lots smarter than George Bush, with his drug and alcohol addled brain and his crazy religious addictions.

[CanDo]

... as far as Obama goes, he's done nothing in his 3 week tenure to show any lack of skills needed to be president.

As with any large, complex corporation, the better, more highly skilled, and experienced, the management, the better that the corporation usually does. Many corporations fail, do poorly, go out of business because of inept management.

Government usually does a wasteful, poor job at managing resources and in implementing successful solutions to problems. Government usually makes things worse, especially when government is run by those who are corrupt, and/or less than competent, and/or inexperienced, and/or are just lacking quality management skills.

For some reason you feel that Obama has magically inherited decades of management and problems solving training and experience, making him qualified to do one of the most difficult, complex jobs in this world, being the President, aka: manager and leader, of the most complex business of this world, America.

Magic just doesn't work in this world. Obama is woefully lacking in the proper skills and experience, regardless of how much you wish that he has them. Saying the Obama has significant managerial, planning, analytical, implementation and organizational skills doesn't make it so.

Just getting elected doesn't mean that anyone in congress, in any government, is capable of doing a good job. Otherwise the American economy would be doing great right now, and forever.

[Y. Shulamith]

Pffftttt.......No president was magically equipped with skills to be president, Eisenhower got us into Viet Nam, Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs, LBJ and Nixon continuing the slaughter in Viet Nam, Carter and all his foolishness on every level, Reagan and voodoo economics, union busting and general Alzheimer behavior and policies of economics that were instrumental in getting us to where we are today, the first Bush and his recession and not bringing down Saddam then and there, Clinton's failure to prevent 911, Bush ushering in 9/11 and Iraq, economic meltdown, etc.....pfftttt....such perfection, you make me laugh. CanDo. I can just imagine how great your decision making skills were, if you think that Obama is bad, before he's had a year's tenure.

[CanDo]

Pffftttt.......No president was magically equipped with skills to be president,

So...... we finally agree.


.pfftttt....such perfection, you make me laugh. CanDo.

I am not looking for perfection. There are many top business and political leaders who would be much more qualified to be President, than Obama. None are perfect, but many have long, successful track records of achievements, proving their skills.


I can just imagine how great your decision making skills were, if you think that Obama is bad, before he's had a year's tenure.

I judge him by his management skills, which he is sorely lacking. You can tell a manager's competence quite quickly. He obviously isn't spending quality time selecting his most important personal advisers and staff. He isn't overseeing the spending of the most important economic package of his life and career. He isn't reacting effectively to foreign events. In a short period of time his Presidency is turning out to be a nightmare.

He is forcing through a huge spending bill, of which he has very little knowledge of it's effect on the economy. He has already been challenged by Iran, Russia, India and Pakistan, and has done poorly.

Plus, closing down Gitmo is just stupid. We have massive problems, yet he decides to add the additional complex problem of dealing with the inmates. He didn't have to add this problem to the list. Gitmo was not broken, why turn Gitmo it a problem, when it wasn't a problem, and it sure wasn't an urgent issue? Shows a lack of good judgement for Obama.

He has no idea what he is doing, so he goes out politicking around the country. That is crazy, crazy!

Everything he touches is turning into crap. As time goes by, I have no doubt that he will prove to be one of the worst, but most worshiped Presidents.

If he keeps going the way he is going, by the time he is in office for a year, the damage to our country, and the rest of the free world, could be much worse.

[Madeline]

Pffftttt.......No president was magically equipped with skills to be president, Eisenhower got us into Viet Nam, Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs, LBJ and Nixon continuing the slaughter in Viet Nam, Carter and all his foolishness on every level, Reagan and voodoo economics, union busting and general Alzheimer behavior and policies of economics that were instrumental in getting us to where we are today, the first Bush and his recession and not bringing down Saddam then and there, Clinton's failure to prevent 911, Bush ushering in 9/11 and Iraq, economic meltdown, etc.....pfftttt....such perfection, you make me laugh. CanDo. I can just imagine how great your decision making skills were, if you think that Obama is bad, before he's had a year's tenure.

I like that...pffffttt, I can almost picture you...:)
Pfffttt. don't forget Monica;)

[Y. Shulamith]

I like that...pffffttt, I can almost picture you...:)
Pfffttt. don't forget Monica;)

:rofl:Monica stuff didn't bother me much atall, that's men/women for you, I am no prude:rofl:....not so much as Nixon's Watergate, anyways, but both were kinda stupid in that they both got CAUGHT.....:rofl:;)

[Madeline]

:rofl:Monica stuff didn't bother me much atall, that's men/women for you, I am no prude:rofl:....not so much as Nixon's Watergate, anyways, but both were kinda stupid in that they both got CAUGHT.....:rofl:;)

men:cool:

[CanDo]

Obama forced through hurriedly a huge 1,071-page spending bill, for which no one was given a reasonable period of time to do proper analysis, projections, cause and effect, impact evaluation, or to place reasonable oversight controls into place to make sure that the funds aren't riped off, misused, misplaced or misspent.

Instead of properly managing this very important, possibly damaging deficit spending bill, Obama was off traveling and politicking around the country.

A typical example of a weak, confused President, in a job that is way over his head.

Sad for America......... Sad for the rest of the Free World. :(

[Madeline]

Does anyone have a clue yet as to what is in this bill?
Geez, I remember Queen Nancy saying that she will reign with integrity, bipartisanship....indeed, and it shows.

[CanDo]

Does anyone have a clue yet as to what is in this bill? ...

There is a lot of junk and waste. There are some good allocations, so I hear, but what are the chances that the funds and the projects are going to be administered properly and effectively. After all, we are talking about the ineffective, bungling government.

So....... Obama appoints a bunch of inexperienced, ineffective politicians to key posts; and then leaves major decisions in their hands while he is out traveling and playing politician, as if he is still running for office.

If you have ever worked a project, even a minor project, you have learned quickly how things can go wrong, or important steps left out, or, even in the best of intentions, things just don't work out well, especially if you don't closely manage the project. And.... that is on a small scale.

We can consider most of that one trillion dollars a short term fix, at best, with a real possibility of future high inflation. The prime cause of inflation is too much money supply, if especially chasing too few goods. Look for 10%+ inflation, perhaps as early as 2010?

[Madeline]

There is a lot of junk and waste. There are some good allocations, so I hear, but what are the chances that the funds and the projects are going to be administered properly and effectively. After all, we are talking about the ineffective, bungling government.

So....... Obama appoints a bunch of inexperienced, ineffective politicians to key posts; and then leaves major decisions in their hands while he is out traveling and playing politician, as if he is still running for office.

If you have ever worked a project, even a minor project, you have learned quickly how things can go wrong, or important steps left out, or, even in the best of intentions, things just don't work out well, especially if you don't closely manage the project. And.... that is on a small scale.

We can consider most of that one trillion dollars a short term fix, at best, with a real possibility of future high inflation. The prime cause of inflation is too much money supply, if especially chasing too few goods. Look for 10%+ inflation, perhaps as early as 2010?

Since there's nothing we can do about it at this time, I just hope and pray that it somehow works. But forgive me for feeling very apprehensive about it.

[Y. Shulamith]

Obama forced through hurriedly a huge 1,071-page spending bill, for which no one was given a reasonable period of time to do proper analysis, projections, cause and effect, impact evaluation, or to place reasonable oversight controls into place to make sure that the funds aren't riped off, misused, misplaced or misspent.

Instead of properly managing this very important, possibly damaging deficit spending bill, Obama was off traveling and politicking around the country.

A typical example of a weak, confused President, in a job that is way over his head.

Sad for America......... Sad for the rest of the Free World. :(



Sometimes you have to work fast because if you wait too long, the patient will exsanguinate right on the table, rendering your best efforts useless.

[CanDo]

Sometimes you have to work fast because if you wait too long, the patient will exsanguinate right on the table, rendering your best efforts useless.

I like your positive approach! You are a good and loyal party member.

You are strongly supporting the same exact government, that caused a world-wide financial disaster and recession via irresponsible sub-prime lending and unethical, dishonest derivative manipulations.

The US and the world is in this financial mess because of poor planning, poor oversight, incompetence and corruption. But, you support more of the same. You are saying that this same exact government, but this time with an inexperienced, unqualified President, can work us out of this mess by more badly planned, hurried decisions.

Well...... you get your wish. The same government that has led to serious damage of our financial system, is being cheered by it's supporters for rushing through a huge spending bill, which could lead to rampant inflation, which could make an already dire economic mess, even worse.

Have you noticed what happened to Rhodesia's (Zimbabwe's) economy?

[Madeline]

I like your positive approach! You are a good and loyal party member.

You are strongly supporting the same exact government, that caused a world-wide financial disaster and recession via irresponsible sub-prime lending and unethical, dishonest derivative manipulations.

The US and the world is in this financial mess because of poor planning, poor oversight, incompetence and corruption. But, you support more of the same. You are saying that this same exact government, but this time with an inexperienced, unqualified President, can work us out of this mess by more badly planned, hurried decisions.

Well...... you get your wish. The same government that has led to serious damage of our financial system, is being cheered by it's supporters for rushing through a huge spending bill, which could lead to rampant inflation, which could make an already dire economic mess, even worse.

Have you noticed what happened to Rhodesia's (Zimbabwe's) economy?

But you don't understand, that's Bush' fault too.
Did anyone notice that the market didn't tank until the Dem Congress took over in 2006? May be someone has a stat on this?

[Madeline]

Stimulus Verdict: A $3.27 Trillion Porker

Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:40 AM

By: David A. Patten A


The gargantuan stimulus bill Congress has rubber-stamped with virtually no Republican support contains tens of billions of the very spending projects that made the legislation a lightning rod for criticism.

And although the bill is generally described as costing $787 billion, the Congressional Budget Office reports the actual figure is now closer to $3.27 trillion.

That stems from the $744 billion it will take to pay for the additional debt the legislation will create, and $2.527 trillion in increased spending from the new and expanded programs the bill will spawn over the next decade.

To view the letter to Nancy Pelosi, go here.

The bill now spans more than 1,000 pages. While Democrats removed some provisions that fiscal conservatives objected to, most of the pork remains. Among them:

# The plan has more than $3 billion in “neighborhood stabilization” and Community Development Block Grant funding, much of which may go to benefit ACORN, a low-income housing and voter registration “community” organization that is under federal investigation for its suspicious voter registration practices.

# $1.3 billion to bailout AMTRAK, the perennial money-loser railroad.

# $1 billion for educational programs, including courses on sexually transmitted diseases.

# $30 million for restoration of wetlands to be spent in the San Francisco Bay Area – House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s district. The money will go in part to protect the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse.

# $200 million for a low-pollution, coal-fired power plant in President Barack Obama’s home state of Illinois.

# $45 million for ATV four-wheeler trails, and government office renovations, according to RNC Chairman Michael Steele.

# $200 million to provide computers to community colleges.

# $50 million for the National Endowment of the Arts.

# Over $650 million in coupons to help consumers buy digital TV converter-box coupons.

# A reported $300 million for hybrid vehicles and electric-powered cars. According to the Washington Times, this item will include buying golf carts for federal workers.


Some of the criticisms of the bill, however, center on policy rather than cost.

The Heritage Foundation, for example, reports the bill reverses the bipartisan welfare reforms achieved during the Clinton administration.

Also, opponents have slammed the bill for being “anti-religious,” because it expressly prohibits the use of stimulus funds for faith-based schools, schools of divinity, facilities used for “sectarian worship,” or places of religious worship.

[Y. Shulamith]

I like your positive approach! You are a good and loyal party member.

You are strongly supporting the same exact government, that caused a world-wide financial disaster and recession via irresponsible sub-prime lending and unethical, dishonest derivative manipulations.

The US and the world is in this financial mess because of poor planning, poor oversight, incompetence and corruption. But, you support more of the same. You are saying that this same exact government, but this time with an inexperienced, unqualified President, can work us out of this mess by more badly planned, hurried decisions.

Well...... you get your wish. The same government that has led to serious damage of our financial system, is being cheered by it's supporters for rushing through a huge spending bill, which could lead to rampant inflation, which could make an already dire economic mess, even worse.

Have you noticed what happened to Rhodesia's (Zimbabwe's) economy?

I hope the stimulus works. I didn't do less with Bush. I didn't want him to do loads of things and wished he done loads of things he didn't do, but I didn't wish for him to make the country worse, for G-d's sake. I don't wish for things to get worser, regardless of who is at the head of the country.

Who in hell, except mouth extraordinaire Limbaugh, a moral coward and low-grade-moron mouthpiece who makes my blood run cold, would state that he wishes bad for a president. Talk about stupidity and ignorance. I'm ashamed of his ilk, for the sake of the country I live in. Let him stay on the radio, the "new wave of communication" for the mentally deficient.:tdown:

I can't stand racists, whatever party they are part of. I'd slit my throat before I'd have anything to do with a political party that allows the like of Limbaugh to be it's parties mouthpiece.:p

[CanDo]

I hope the stimulus works.

So do I, but projects, especially large, complex projects, without proper planning, research, guidance and oversight usually fail. We have basically the same government that is responsible for the economic mess that we are in now.

The same ones that screwed our economy and financial systems up so badly have now created a hurried, obviously mismanaged spending bill, for which no one has had a chance to read or fully analyze. Judging from our government's disastrous performance over the past few years, this is just more of the same irresponsible governance, and it is just going to make things worse.


I'd slit my throat before I'd have anything to do with a political party that allows the like of Limbaugh to be it's parties mouthpiece.:p

Limbaugh is not "the" mouthpiece of the Republican Party. He is just a member. I can't stand the guy. I feel similar about Limbaugh as I do Obama. They both talk well, and the both have large numbers that idolize them, and they both know how to enrich themselves, but other than that, the jury is out.

Personally, I am an Independent. I don't respect either Political Party, but if I had to chose, I would chose the Republicans over the Democrats any day.

[Y. Shulamith]

So do I, but projects, especially large, complex projects, without proper planning, research, guidance and oversight usually fail. We have basically the same government that is responsible for the economic mess that we are in now.

The same ones that screwed our economy and financial systems up so badly have now created a hurried, obviously mismanaged spending bill, for which no one has had a chance to read or fully analyze. Judging from our government's disastrous performance over the past few years, this is just more of the same irresponsible governance, and it is just going to make things worse.



Limbaugh is not "the" mouthpiece of the Republican Party. He is just a member. I can't stand the guy. I feel similar about Limbaugh as I do Obama. They both talk well, and the both have large numbers that idolize them, and they both know how to enrich themselves, but other than that, the jury is out.

Personally, I am an Independent. I don't respect either Political Party, but if I had to chose, I would chose the Republicans over the Democrats any day.


Limbaugh is a disgrace, whatever his role plays out in the Republican Party. I'd want NOTHING to do with him or his porcine mouth. The Republicans have screwed up real big for the last eight years. Give the Dems a chance to screw up, for a change of pace. :clap:

[bararallu]

Limbaugh is a disgrace, whatever his role plays out in the Republican Party. I'd want NOTHING to do with him or his porcine mouth. The Republicans have screwed up real big for the last eight years. Give the Dems a chance to screw up, for a change of pace. :clap:

Carter for all intents a purposes gave a green light to Islamic terrorism.

[Y. Shulamith]

Carter for all intents a purposes gave a green light to Islamic terrorism.

I am no fan of Carter, but even Carter isn't as much of a porcine nit-wit as Limbaugh and, in fact, I can't think of anyone currently in the political scene that is as offensive as he is. He takes the cake in bigotry, smearing and fearmongering. He's right up there with the likes of a David Duke. He is a mouthpiece that shows off the worst that the USA has to offer, IMO.:stick:

[CanDo]

Give the Dems a chance to screw up, for a change of pace. :clap:

Dems have had majority control of congress, during the past two years, during which time our financial industry was allowed disastrous sub-prime lending practices, and allowed to create dishonest, absurd derivatives.

Both Republicans and Democrats are at fault. Our entire government failed us.

You obviously want more of the same. You are backing your Democrat Party, right or wrong. You are giving them a free pass, to cause more harm to our country, in the hopes that, all of a sudden, the Wizard of Oz, will give the Democrats a brain.

I hope that you are right and I am wrong, even if you are backing your Party, more out of loyalty than reason.

[CanDo]

Limbaugh is a disgrace, whatever his role plays out in the Republican Party.

No matter how many you dislike, it ain't going to change the fact that we now have an inexperienced President, lacking management skills. These are very dangerous times, for our economic future and in terms of our safety from Islamic terrorist attacks. It's very disheartening to know that, during these dangerous times we basically have a President with training wheels! :eek:

[bararallu]

I am no fan of Carter, but even Carter isn't as much of a porcine nit-wit as Limbaugh and, in fact, I can't think of anyone currently in the political scene that is as offensive as he is.

I'm not sure what constitutes porcine from your point of view, but Carter is the single biggest reason we have 1. terrorism against the West and 2. political Israel hate growth in the US. Did I mention the fact that he's employed by Saudi and Gulf Arabs?


He takes the cake in bigotry, smearing and fearmongering. He's right up there with the likes of a David Duke.

You cant be serious. I never listen to the guy, but I know what I know and he doesn't hold a candle to DD in any way shape or thing.

p.s., I've never been a Rebublican, I've been a member of the Libertarian party when I held only US citizenship.

[Madeline]

Rush is my hero.:cool:

[Y. Shulamith]

[QUOTE=bararallu;292486]I'm not sure what constitutes porcine from your point of view, but Carter is the single biggest reason we have 1. terrorism against the West and 2. political Israel hate growth in the US. Did I mention the fact that he's employed by Saudi and Gulf Arabs?

The Arabs hate us every which way and I dont give Carter so much credit, in regards to hatred, because they'd hate us and already hated us when Carter became Prez. They were sick of the Shah no matter what transpired.

Lots of folks are on the payrolls of Arab Countries. Carter is an old fool and I am not defending him one iota. He is a religious addict who thinks he has a hot line to G-d.

You cant be serious. I never listen to the guy, but I know what I know and he doesn't hold a candle to DD in any way shape or thing.

Limbaugh makes me equally nauseated.

p.s., I've never been a Rebublican, I've been a member of the Libertarian party when I held only US citizenship.

I like voting in primaries.....

[Y. Shulamith]

Rush is my hero.:cool:

Pffftttttt......:rolleyes:

[Madeline]

Pffftttttt......:rolleyes:

Why did I know that would be your answer?:rofl:

[bararallu]

Limbaugh makes me equally nauseated.


But common you compared him to David KKK Duke. He is nothing like David Duke. He may have a very bad disposition towards Liberals of all stripes (and illegal aliens etc), which is nonsensical of him, but he is not by any measure a racist, and he supports Israel.

The Democratic Party is flooded with Carter supporters though.

[Y. Shulamith]

Why did I know that would be your answer?:rofl:

"Cause you'd a knowed me if you saw my hide a-hanging in a tanyard!!!!":rofl:;)

[Y. Shulamith]

But common you compared him to David KKK Duke. He is nothing like David Duke. He may have a very bad disposition towards Liberals of all stripes (and illegal aliens etc), which is nonsensical of him, but he is not by any measure a racist, and he supports Israel.

The Democratic Party is flooded with Carter supporters though.

Israel doesn't need toilet-fodder like Limbaugh......the day Israel needs his ilk to substantiate the Hebrew Nation is the day that I'd die.....:tdown:

Carter has his supporters, but that doesn't mean I am gonna toss out the baby with the bathwater and cut my nose to spite my face. I may think Carter is a total idiot, but I don't think he is the evil incarnate.

[CanDo]

The Arabs hate us every which way and I dont give Carter so much credit, in regards to hatred, because they'd hate us and already hated us when Carter became Prez. They were sick of the Shah no matter what transpired.

Arab/Muslim culture is deranged and hateful. They have driven most minorities out of the Middle East, especially Chistians and Jews. The Arab/Muslim vile culture of hate, racism and religious intolerance is what breeds most of today's terrorism. Is it any surprise?

The Shah had modernized Iran, and greatly improved education, individual freedom and the standard of living. The Islamists hated the Shah. The enemies of civilization hated the Shah. The brain-dead, treacherous Carter listened to Islamic propaganda and turned his back on the Shah, leading to the takeover of Iran by the criminally insane Islamists, and leading to the spread and growth of Islamic terrorism to the unprecedented levels of today.

If this world is eventually suffers from atomic war and extensive radioactive fallout, the blame will fall at the feet of that horribly incompetent, inept Carter.

[CanDo]

I am no fan of Carter, but even Carter isn't as much of a porcine nit-wit as Limbaugh and, in fact, I can't think of anyone currently in the political scene that is as offensive as he is.

The difference is that Limbaugh is merely a radio personality, whereas the bungling, confused, inept Carter was able to do a great deal of damage to our country and to the free world.


He is a mouthpiece that shows off the worst that the USA has to offer, IMO.:stick:

Who cares? Limbaugh is not a candidate for office, or holding office. You dislike Limbaugh because of his point of view, while a cretin like Madoff has done much more harm to many people. My fury is towards Madoff, and the other corrupt, greedy slugs, throughout our financial system, and our many inept, corrupt politicians.

Currently I am disgusted and dismayed with the actions of Obama, who is missing in action, while our country is faced with severe problems. Obama is flying around, either politicking or vacationing, while he leaves others to solve our problems and protect America from it's enemies.

Obama is way over his head and it shows. He doesn't know what to do as President, so he plays politics, and he will continue to act as an absentee President for four long years, as our country falls deeper and deeper into an economic and security abyss.

[CanDo]

Sometimes you have to work fast because if you wait too long, the patient will exsanguinate right on the table, rendering your best efforts useless.

Well...... the Democrat congress worked fast to sign a huge, wasteful spending bill, that will put our country into much worse debt for DECADES, and will lead to damaging inflation, to save the patient? It had to be done quickly without due diligence, without being able to evaluate or even to fully read or study the mammoth bill? Our hard working President (NOT!) probably doesn't even know the basic substance of the bill. :eek: :mad:

An emergency huh? Had to be done ASAP, huh? And where was Obama? Flying around on Air Force One and politicking? He has let the squandering spending bill languish on a desk until Tuesday, so that he could play politics in Colorado. Did the patient die on the table? Hardly. Will the patient (US economy) die on the table later? Probably.

[Mediocrates]

I would like to see someone challenge Rush to actually run for office, any office, anywhere. He doesn't need the money and could afford to take several years off. Given his unlimited access to the media he'd probably win and then let's see him pontificate his way to success. It would be hysterical.

[maven]

For me Obama has been absent on some important issues, he is still silent on Israel and Gaza.

He is silent on Durban 2, which I believe he should address through a web-conferencing screen to make very clear that using this conference to spread anti-semitism and dodge the issues of castism and tribalism is not on.

It's almost as though his presidency has not yet begun when it comes to the ME. Sending Clinton 2 to Indonesia is a puzzle, WTF has Indonesia got to do with the main problem in the Islamic world which is Iran and the ME? :unsure:

[CanDo]

Obama is in way over his head. He wants to be a "rock star" President. I call it the "American Idol" Phenomenon. The public has learned to vote strictly on personality, without regards to experience, track record, qualifications or talent. The public, either Republican or Democrat; ... or Katima or Labor, doesn't think that their vote will come back to harm them.

The US public selected their choice between two weak candidates, McCain and Obama. Either one was a bad choice. Ugh!

Obama is going to fly around, party, hold meetings, campaign, etc., for the next four years. He will depend upon his appointments, some of them quite inexperienced, for all major decisions, and will make his decisions based on ideology rather than experience and wisdom.

Hilary is concentrating on North Korea right now. There are many troublesome areas of the world, and it seems that Israel is not high on the priority list, probably because Obama doesn't understand the history of the conflict and doesn't want to confront any problems that seem too difficult to handle, or that would require complex solutions.

Obama will just keep flying around, playing President. I fear for the situation in Pakistan. When the US had another incompetent in office, Jimmy Carter, Iran fell to the Islamic terrorists, and changed from the most modern Muslim state, to a dangerous threat to the entire world. Will Obama allow Pakistan, with 100+ nuclear weapons, to fall to the Taliban and Al Qaeda?

[maven]

News says that Obama is making his first foreign visit to Canada! I mean what is THAT about?

[CanDo]

News says that Obama is making his first foreign visit to Canada! I mean what is THAT about?

I guess that he feels that he can deal with all of the pressing, difficult problems with North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, Terrorist attacks against America, America's recession and financial meltdown, World-wide recession, America's housing meltdown, the expansion of Militant Islam, etc., by politicking in Canada; and once again leaving airheads like Pelosi, Reid and Biden to run things back home.

Now that Obama has fixed all of the problems, I guess he doesn't have anything pressing to do back home, like managing and overseeing the US government. It must be nice being retired after only a few weeks in office. :rolleyes:

[Madeline]

For me Obama has been absent on some important issues, he is still silent on Israel and Gaza.

He is silent on Durban 2, which I believe he should address through a web-conferencing screen to make very clear that using this conference to spread anti-semitism and dodge the issues of castism and tribalism is not on.

It's almost as though his presidency has not yet begun when it comes to the ME. Sending Clinton 2 to Indonesia is a puzzle, WTF has Indonesia got to do with the main problem in the Islamic world which is Iran and the ME? :unsure:
Mr. Obama has been absent in many ways, not just on some important issues, he is silent on Israel/Gaza because he is puzzled as to how to proceed, while he sees his trip to Canada as more important. (probably trying to get them abort the missile defense system, so that, when Hillary miffs a few Indonesians, we can all be wiped out at once..) IMVHO

[maven]

Mr. Obama has been absent in many ways, not just on some important issues, he is silent on Israel/Gaza because he is puzzled as to how to proceed, while he sees his trip to Canada as more important. (probably trying to get them abort the missile defense system, so that, when Hillary miffs a few Indonesians, we can all be wiped out at once..) IMVHOI know you guys thought that Obama would be off on his first trip to sort out the Middle East and ditto Clinton 2.

But what do we know?

Clinton 2 rightly identified Indonesia as the main Islamic country to go to to solve the problems of the Middle East. It has nothing to do with the middle East, that's why she is so darned clever!

By visiting Indonesia no one can accuse the US in the form of Hillary of interfering in the affairs of the Arab world as Bush did.

But Obama is even more wise. He understands that the more immediate threat to the US are rockets fired across the Canadian border from the impeneterable mountains which the mounties cannot control despite their pretty red uniforms.

He realizes that even though heavily stoned, Canadian Jihadis will manage to fire the odd rockets in the right direction and hit Washington (unless a particularly nice sunset distracts their attention or they have to move quickly to buy more supplies of chocolait and rolling papers from the nearest town).

Thank God we have a more mature foreign policy that that followed under George W. Bush :rofl:

[Y. Shulamith]

Hell, I think it's a good thing that Obama doesn't go running over there and give the Islamofascists the idea that their issues are so damn important that this administration is going to go running over there like a babysitter on call.

Let them know that there is a world out there and that they aren't at the top of any pile of b.s.

Let them sit and stew and be shown the door. Israel has been well able to take care of itself. The less pressure from the USA the better.

[Madeline]

Hell, I think it's a good thing that Obama doesn't go running over there and give the Islamofascists the idea that their issues are so damn important that this administration is going to go running over there like a babysitter on call.

Let them know that there is a world out there and that they aren't at the top of any pile of b.s.

Let them sit and stew and be shown the door. Israel has been well able to take care of itself. The less pressure from the USA the better.

Ya think they are miffed because Hillary is coming, instead of their favorite son?
The way they were going on about him makes ya wonder...

[Y. Shulamith]

Ya think they are miffed because Hillary is coming, instead of their favorite son?
The way they were going on about him makes ya wonder...

Who cares what those Islamofascists think....favorite son....pfftttttt....their favorite son is probably the shoe tosser; don't give them the credit that they don't deserve about knowing what in hell TO be miffed about, eh? Let Hillary doublespeak them all to death for the next few years.:lol:

[Madeline]

Who cares what those Islamofascists think....favorite son....pfftttttt....their favorite son is probably the shoe tosser; don't give them the credit that they don't deserve about knowing what in hell TO be miffed about, eh? Let Hillary doublespeak them all to death for the next few years.:lol:

:rofl:Hillary will get them all, that's for sure. And they won't know what hit them.

[Steven]

:rofl:Hillary will get them all, that's for sure. And they won't know what hit them.

Meanwhile she tried to con us on how allowing the Taliban sharia law in Swat Pakistan was good. Now sharia will slowly spread throughout Pakistan.

[Brody15]

Let him stay on the radio, the "new wave of communication" for the mentally deficient.:tdown:

Come on, I have a lot of liberal friends and I would never call them mentally deficient. That's the different between liberals and conservatives, a good conservative thinks liberals are good people but misinformed. And yeah, sometimes the level of being misinformed can be dangerous. Liberals think conservatives are evil and or stupid.

[quote]

I can't stand racists, whatever party they are part of. I'd slit my throat before I'd have anything to do with a political party that allows the like of Limbaugh to be it's parties mouthpiece.:p

A lot of people have already killed themselves rather than recognize the "apartheid" and "racist" state of Israel. Maybe you have more in common with them than you think.

[Y. Shulamith]

I am not going to defend Limbaugh. We all know what he is accused of doing, what he has stated over the years, what his behavior has manifested, and what he represents. I do not believe that he represents the good that there might be had in the right of center.

There are plenty of extreme lefties that I also do not agree with, but I have yet to know of one leftie whose opinions garner as much ill-willed sentiment as Limbaugh does.

[Brody15]

I am not going to defend Limbaugh. We all know what he is accused of doing, what he has stated over the years, what his behavior has manifested, and what he represents. I do not believe that he represents the good that there might be had in the right of center.

There are plenty of extreme lefties that I also do not agree with, but I have yet to know of one leftie whose opinions garner as much ill-willed sentiment as Limbaugh does.


In the name of intellectual honesty, consider this:
You're right, opinions of the far left don't garner as much ill-willed sentiment as opinions on the far right because people on the far left are either really angry people, or at least proned to emotional, angry responses to politics. Of course you're gonna see lefties getting angry, that's what they do.

I wouldn't worry about Limbaugh, he's not the new face of conservatism, he's a showman, a personality. He likes cigars though, cigars are good.

[Lana Wolfe]

All I can say is that Obama doesn't make me want to say "YES WE CAN"

[Lana Wolfe]

Oh and check out RABBI OBAMA here....
Hilarious...
http://lifeafter911.blogspot.com/2009/02/obama-rebbe.html

[Y. Shulamith]

When I needed a $60,000.00 hip surgery, Israel didn't pay for it. When my husband was out of work when my kid was a baby, Israel didn't help me. When I needed to be hospitalized for malignant hypertension, Israel didn't pay my hospital bills. They didn't pay for the birth of my son, either.

Israel doesn't give a damn about my 80+ year old mother who isn't RICH enough to afford any kind of assisted living for the elderly Jewish people AND they don't give a damn about her because she DOESN'T have the right connections.

Israel doesn't give a damn if our teeth fall out or or our kids cannot afford vaccinations.

Israel HAS SOCIALIZED medicine and even the Gazans have better medical care than people here in the USA who lack for medical insurance.

That's just one of many reasons I wouldn't have voted for McCain, if you'd a put a gun to my head.

Obama is trying to make things easier and more accessible for the less than affluent here in the USA and for that I laud him.

My heart goes out to the people of Israel, but we here in the USA have to live and have needs, just like they do.

My brother lives in Israel and has for all of his adult life and he and his son have served in the IDF, but he CANNOT afford to bring my mother over to an assisted living facility because HE cannot afford it there either.

So, I tell all of you bleeding heart conservatives; sometimes Americans need to have their needs addressed and cannot possibly keep giving, giving to Israel.

Americans here and now need medical care and social services that people in the ME already enjoy.

Thanks for nothing.

[Y. Shulamith]

All I can say is that Obama doesn't make me want to say "YES WE CAN"


Screw you.....dumb Canuck!!!

[Steven]

When I needed a $60,000.00 hip surgery, Israel didn't pay for it. When my husband was out of work when my kid was a baby, Israel didn't help me. When I needed to be hospitalized for malignant hypertension, Israel didn't pay my hospital bills. They didn't pay for the birth of my son, either.

Israel doesn't give a damn about my 80+ year old mother who isn't RICH enough to afford any kind of assisted living for the elderly Jewish people AND they don't give a damn about her because she DOESN'T have the right connections.

Israel doesn't give a damn if our teeth fall out or or our kids cannot afford vaccinations.

Israel HAS SOCIALIZED medicine and even the Gazans have better medical care than people here in the USA who lack for medical insurance.

That's just one of many reasons I wouldn't have voted for McCain, if you'd a put a gun to my head.

Obama is trying to make things easier and more accessible for the less than affluent here in the USA and for that I laud him.

My heart goes out to the people of Israel, but we here in the USA have to live and have needs, just like they do.

My brother lives in Israel and has for all of his adult life and he and his son have served in the IDF, but he CANNOT afford to bring my mother over to an assisted living facility because HE cannot afford it there either.

So, I tell all of you bleeding heart conservatives; sometimes Americans need to have their needs addressed and cannot possibly keep giving, giving to Israel.

Americans here and now need medical care and social services that people in the ME already enjoy.

Thanks for nothing.

Wrong and naive.
1.Obama is trying to spend all that he can so that he grinds the US into the ground.
2.He wants health care so that the govt controls EVERY aspect of our lives.
3.Obama does not even care about his own family members, yet you are naive enough to think that he cares about a bunch of strangers.

[Y. Shulamith]

My question is, are you stupid enough to be so self-serving that you cannot imagine anyone else being more of a mensch than perhaps you are?

Obama has two daughters for whom he wishes to have lives here in the USA, as a better, stronger, and more equitable nation.

It's you and the Neo-con's who resist any positive measures to make America a better place for everyone, not just the 1% at the top of the dung heap.

[Y. Shulamith]

P.S. I'd love to see the government make it so that if my family couldn't pay for health insurance, or there was a layoff, that we'd not have to go without.

It works for Israel; why are you so opposed to having it here? Most of the first world countries have medical insurance for it's citizens, why the fear about it here for the people of the USA?

You aren't making any sense at all.

[Steven]

My question is, are you stupid enough to be so self-serving that you cannot imagine anyone else being more of a mensch than perhaps you are?

Obama has two daughters for whom he wishes to have lives here in the USA, as a better, stronger, and more equitable nation.

So what, he is aunt and brother live in poverty.

It's you and the Neo-con's who resist any positive measures to make America a better place for everyone, not just the 1% at the top of the dung heap.

You turned out to be nothing but a foaming at the mouth liberal who is not mature enough to deal with the issues.
You show you have nothing, as you insult everyone here. Your posts belong on the Kos sewer.

Here is a clue, BREAKING AMERICA AND MORE GOVT is not making it better. :tdown:

[Y. Shulamith]

You turned out to be nothing but a foaming at the mouth liberal who is not mature enough to deal with the issues.
You show you have nothing, as you insult everyone here. Your posts belong on the Kos sewer.

Here is a clue, BREAKING AMERICA AND MORE GOVT is not making it better. :tdown:


So what??? I might have an aunt or brother living in poverty......that doesn't mean a person is bad. Maybe his aunt and brother still have their pride intact and don't want handouts, I don't know what someone else's situation is, and how do you know what the family situation is? In any event, it's none of MY business what Obama does regarding to indigent relatives. If that is the biggest problem you have with Obama, then I'd say you haven't got much to stand on. Bush is/was a drug addled and alcohol soaked broken brain.


Here's a clue.......if someday you come down with leukemia or multiple myeloma and you don't have insurance, through no fault of your own, except tough economic times, I wonder if you will just lay down and die and go quietly in the night??!!!!

Somehow, I don't think so..........:rofl:

[CanDo]

P.S. I'd love to see the government make it so that if my family couldn't pay for health insurance, or there was a layoff, that we'd not have to go without.

History has shown that government is very inefficient and wasteful, and usually makes things get worse, rather than better. Very few politicians, especially Obama, have very little training in Project Management, Project Planning, Project Analysis or Project Implementation.

Time and time again, bad project management leads to bad results, whether in business or in government.

Obama has decided to throw trillions of dollars at our problems, which is money that has already been improperly planned, and money that is going to be badly and inefficiently used, and will lead to rampant inflation.

If you think that things are bad now, wait a year or two, after double digit inflation eats away at your income, savings, retirement and greatly increases your cost of living. It's not a question of "if" the US is going to be hit with high inflation, but "how soon".

I don't understand how you can be so trusting in the same government that was basically responsible for the awful financial mess that the US and the world is in now. Plus, Obama is lacking in management and planning skills....... a recipe for disaster.

[Y. Shulamith]

History has shown that government is very inefficient and wasteful, and usually makes things get worse, rather than better. Very few politicians, especially Obama, have very little training in Project Management, Project Planning, Project Analysis or Project Implementation.

Time and time again, bad project management leads to bad results.

Obama has decided to thrown trillions of dollars at our problems, which is money that is going to be badly and inefficiently used, and will lead to rampant inflation.

If you think that things are bad now, wait a year or two, with double digit inflation eating away at your income, saving, retirement and cost of living. It's not a question of "if" the US is going to be hit with high inflation, but "how soon".

I don't understand how you can be so trusting in the same government that was basically responsible for the awful financial mess that the US and the world is in now. Plus, Obama is lacking in management and planning skills....... a recipe for disaster.

The way insurance is today, it is just as broken.......there is room for improvement and not getting it perfect, is NO EXCUSE TO DO NOTHING and have citizens of the USA lack for health care.

I have worked in health care for too many years and have seen too many tragedies to let this issue off the hook.

I bet you'd be the first ones to cry foul if you didn't have YOUR HEALTHCARE paid for...:lol::rolleyes:

[maven]

Krautie Whacks Obama. :unsure: Obama you have the power to destroy us all if you are not careful.



Obama Flunks First Tests On Foreign Policy
By CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER | Posted Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:20 PM PT

The Biden prophecy has come to pass. Our wacky veep, momentarily inspired, had predicted last October that "it will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama."

Biden probably had in mind an eve-of-the-apocalypse drama like the Cuban Missile Crisis. Instead, Obama's challenges have come in smaller bites. Some are deliberate threats to U.S. interests, others mere probes to ascertain whether the new president has any spine.

Preliminary X-rays aren't encouraging.

Consider the long list of brazen Russian provocations:

(a) Pressuring Kyrgyzstan to shut down the U.S. air base in Manas, an absolutely crucial NATO conduit into Afghanistan.

(b) Announcing the formation of a "rapid reaction force" with six former Soviet republics, a regional Russian-led strike force meant to reassert Russian hegemony in the Muslim belt north of Afghanistan.

(c) Planning to establish a Black Sea naval base in Georgia's breakaway province of Abkhazia, conquered by Moscow last summer.

(d) Declaring Russia's intention to deploy offensive Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad if Poland and the Czech Republic go ahead with plans to station an American (anti-Iranian) missile defense system.

President Bush's response to the Kaliningrad deployment—the threat was issued the day after Obama's election — was firm.

He refused to back down because giving in to Russian threats would leave Poles and Czechs exposed and show the world that, contrary to post-Cold War assumptions, the U.S. could not be trusted to protect Eastern Europe from Russian bullying.

The Obama response? "Biden Signals U.S. Is Open to Russia Missile Deal," as the New York Times headlined Biden's Feb. 7 Munich speech to a major international gathering. This followed strong messages from Obama's team even before the inauguration that Obama wasn't committed to the missile shield. And just to make sure everyone understood that Bush's policy no longer held, Biden said the U.S. wanted to "press the reset button" on NATO-Russian relations.

Not surprisingly, the Obama wobble elicited a favorable reaction from Russia. (There are conflicting reports that Russia might suspend the Kaliningrad blackmail deployment.) The Kremlin must have been equally impressed the other provocations — Abkhazia, Kyrgyzstan, the rapid reaction force — elicited barely a peep from Washington.

Iran has been similarly charmed by Obama's overtures. A week after the new president went about sending sweet peace signals via al-Arabiya, Iran launched its first homemade Earth satellite. The message is clear. If you can put a satellite into orbit, you can hit any continent with a missile, North America included.

And for emphasis, after the roundhouse hook, came the poke in the eye.

A U.S. women's badminton team had been invited to Iran. Here was a chance for "ping-pong diplomacy" with the accommodating new president, a sporting venture meant to suggest the possibility of warmer relations.

On Feb. 4, Tehran denied the team entry into Iran.

Then, in case Obama failed to get the message, Iran's parliament speaker in Munich responded to Obama's olive branch.

Executive summary: Thanks very much. After you acknowledge 60 years of crimes against us, change not just your tone but your policies, and abandon the Zionist criminal entity, we might deign to talk to you.

With a grinning Goliath staggering about sporting a "kick me" sign on his back, even reputed allies joined the fun. Pakistan freed from house arrest A.Q. Khan, the notorious proliferator who sold nuclear technology to North Korea, Libya and Iran.

Ten days later, Islamabad capitulated to the Taliban, turning over to its tender mercies the Swat Valley, 100 miles from the capital. Not only will Shariah law now reign there, but the democratically elected secular party will be hunted down as the Pakistani army stands down.

These Pakistani capitulations may account for Obama's hastily announced 17,000-troop increase in Afghanistan even before his various heralded reviews of the mission have been completed.

Continued:

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=319938016291216

[Y. Shulamith]

Krauthammer is a toad. The USA has a bigger agenda with internal problems. This crap can wait.

[CanDo]

The way insurance is today, it is just as broken.......there is room for improvement and not getting it perfect, is NO EXCUSE TO DO NOTHING and have citizens of the USA lack for health care.

So...... you want the same government that is totally responsible for our broken health care system to spend trillions of dollars more trying to fix it? It is not going to happen the way that you want it to. If anything, our health care system will get worse under more government control. It will take much longer to get an appointment. The quality of the doctors will continue to get worse.

The US is in serious decline. Obama will speed up the rate of that decline. Americans will be faced with fewer individual rights and more inefficient, wasteful, burdensome government control. Average wages are going to decrease, and the US will experience higher unemployment, especially in the area of higher paying jobs.


I have worked in health care for too many years and have seen too many tragedies to let this issue off the hook.

Then you should know that doctors spend almost as much time on paperwork than they do on patient care. Bureaucratic Health organizations, in many cases, decide patient treatment, rather than medical professionals.


I bet you'd be the first ones to cry foul if you didn't have YOUR HEALTHCARE paid for...:lol::rolleyes:

You joke about the issue. That actually is good for you.

I want everyone to have access to affordable, good quality and timely health care. The difference between you and me is that you think that government, somehow, someway, is capable of fixing our health care system.

Government needs to organize a group of top quality Medical Systems Analysts, to find solutions to our health care problems, and not use inexperienced politicians to attempt to find solutions. The second step would be to pass reasonable legislation that would enable significant and gradual changes to our medical care system. It can be fixed. Throwing a trillion dollars at our broken health care system is just throwing good money after bad.

[Steven]

So what??? I might have an aunt or brother living in poverty......that doesn't mean a person is bad. Maybe his aunt and brother still have their pride intact and don't want handouts, I don't know what someone else's situation is, and how do you know what the family situation is? In any event, it's none of MY business what Obama does regarding to indigent relatives. If that is the biggest problem you have with Obama, then I'd say you haven't got much to stand on. Bush is/was a drug addled and alcohol soaked broken brain.

So he will not take care off his family but he cares about strangers.:rofl: No that is not the only issue with Obama, these threads are full of them.


Here's a clue.......if someday you come down with leukemia or multiple myeloma and you don't have insurance, through no fault of your own, except tough economic times, I wonder if you will just lay down and die and go quietly in the night??!!!!

Somehow, I don't think so..........:rofl:


Here are some facts, under socialized medicine there are yearly limits on certain operations ie, hip surgeries. If you are not lucky enough to get in before the year limit hits you are out of luck. It also takes over 17 weeks to see a doctor in Canada. Here is another fact that you cannot see, as you have nothing but childish Bush bashing on your mind. This will attract more and more illegals here. It is IMPOSSIBLE to take care of everyone. Our standard of living will go down because of this.

[Steven]

Krauthammer is a toad. The USA has a bigger agenda with internal problems. This crap can wait.

More foaming at the mouth leftist nonsense. Your one to the Canadian was brilliant. You are childish and immature as you do not see issues you only see sides. This is all about you and your side being in power. Look at me, look at me....

[Y. Shulamith]

So...... you want the same government that is totally responsible for our broken health care system to spend trillions of dollars more trying to fix it? It is not going to happen the way that you want it to. If anything, our health care system will get worse under more government control. It will take much longer to get an appointment. The quality of the doctors will continue to get worse.

The US is in serious decline. Obama will speed up the rate of that decline. Americans will be faced with fewer individual rights and more inefficient, wasteful, burdensome government control. Average wages are going to decrease, and the US will experience higher unemployment, especially in the area of higher paying jobs.



Then you should know that doctors spend almost as much time on paperwork than they do on patient care. Bureaucratic Health organizations, in many cases, decide patient treatment, rather than medical professionals.



You joke about the issue. That actually is good for you.

I want everyone to have access to affordable, good quality and timely health care. The difference between you and me is that you think that government, somehow, someway, is capable of fixing our health care system.

Government needs to organize a group of top quality Medical Systems Analysts, to find solutions to our health care problems, and not use inexperienced politicians to attempt to find solutions. The second step would be to pass reasonable legislation that would enable significant and gradual changes to our medical care system. It can be fixed. Throwing a trillion dollars at our broken health care system is just throwing good money after bad.

This issue is TOO big for any one entity to do on it's own. It, by nature, must be helped along by the government....don't even try to LECTURE me about health insurance and paperwork.

I've been on the telephone with people who refused to go to the emergency room because they were afraid that their insurance wouldn't pay for it and wound up dying because of it.

Please don't lecture me about what it's like for people who don't have health insurance. You don't have any idea what it is like for real people to not have health insurance and people like you, who stand on ceremony about it, because it isn't an issue for you personally, are the kinds of people who willfully encourage abject neglect of your fellow citizens on some flimsy idea that the government can't, shouldn't or is incapable of tackling the problem. If they are so incapable, I assume that you haven't been using the US mail system for your entire life???? :rolleyes:

[Steven]

This issue is TOO big for any one entity to do on it's own. It, by nature, must be helped along by the government....don't even try to LECTURE me about health insurance and paperwork.

I've been on the telephone with people who refused to go to the emergency room because they were afraid that their insurance wouldn't pay for it and wound up dying because of it.

Please don't lecture me about what it's like for people who don't have health insurance. You don't have any idea what it is like for real people to not have health insurance and people like you, who stand on ceremony about it, because it isn't an issue for you personally, are the kinds of people who willfully encourage abject neglect of your fellow citizens on some flimsy idea that the government can't, shouldn't or is incapable of tackling the problem. If they are so incapable, I assume that you haven't been using the US mail system for your entire life???? :rolleyes:


So you call a govt who can't control its borders, budget, can't fix its education system, can't even figure out who the enemy is and embraces pro-sharia groups here, has a infrastructure that is falling apart competent?

[Y. Shulamith]

You show your total ignorance of the issue: the poor have acess to medical care via the emergency room....they have nothing to have taken away from them, i.e., property or bank accounts so they are free to use the ER freely and do so whenever they need medical care. It is the MIDDLE CLASS who own property or have got something to lose who do without, rather than bankrupt themselves.

It is the MIDDLE CLASS who do without, not the illegals and not the poor for they have nothing to lose.

Ever hear of the saying: "You can't sue a louse, because all you will get is lice?"

So is it with healthcare, and that the middle class squeeze, makes for an entire middle class doing without dental care, medical care, prescriptions, mental health care and everything else that every first world government somehow finds ways to budget for and the USA CANNOT continue to not address and take care of this most grievious issue of our time.

Let us review: the rich have the money and insurance and the poor use the ER for their emergent medical care. They go to the ER for nerve blocks when their teeth rot and go to the clinics for reduced or free care that isn't available to the middle class and for which the wealthy are immune from.

It is the citizenry of the "middle class" who do without and suffer the pains of hell because of it.

[Brody15]

Please don't lecture me about what it's like for people who don't have health insurance. You don't have any idea what it is like for real people to not have health insurance....

Yeah, but what makes you think Obama and a group of politicians, all who can easily afford the best medical care in the world, have any idea what it's like for real people to not have insurance?

Why trust their opinion without question, while accusing someone else with a differing opinion of not knowing squat?

[Y. Shulamith]

Yeah, but what makes you think Obama and a group of politicians, all who can easily afford the best medical care in the world, have any idea what it's like for real people to not have insurance?

Why trust their opinion without question, while accusing someone else with a differing opinion of not knowing squat?

Doing something is better than doing nothing; which has been the status quo for the last 50 years regarding health care.

Now is the time to stop saying no we can't do it...we, still the richest country in the world, cannot afford to keep on denying the citizenry of this country, what it is well able to do and stop burying it's head in the sand....it's the time to do what is right and not what has been expedient to dismiss for all of these years. France, Britain, Canada, most of the first world can do it, so can the USA. The USA isn't a nation of "it cannot be done"....and now isn't the time to keep stallingon this important issue.

[Brody15]

I took this from the NY Times about states deciding on what how to handle goverment aid for medical care for the poor.

"Oregon has decided, for instance, that prenatal care for a woman ranks higher than an organ transplant for a dying child, that the elderly need bunions removed before teen-agers are taught the dangers of drug abuse, that having a single physician supervise a patient's care is vital and dental work is not."

I'm thinking we don't want politicians figuring this stuff out. Let the free market keep insurance plans in check while giving us a range of choices. We earned that right.

[Y. Shulamith]

I took this from the NY Times about states deciding on what how to handle goverment aid for medical care for the poor.

"Oregon has decided, for instance, that prenatal care for a woman ranks higher than an organ transplant for a dying child, that the elderly need bunions removed before teen-agers are taught the dangers of drug abuse, that having a single physician supervise a patient's care is vital and dental work is not."

I'm thinking we don't want politicians figuring this stuff out. Let the free market keep insurance plans in check while giving us a range of choices. We earned that right.


That's Oregon and that's for MEDICAID, insurance for the poor, the indigent......not a comprehenive healthcare plan that includes the middle class, and you cannot compare money for Medicaid to a comprehensive healthcare plan.

[Yala]

Doing something is better than doing nothing; which has been the status quo for the last 50 years regarding health care.


I agree, but what is Obama really going to do? I want to hear specifics. You're a big supporter of Obama so maybe you can fill us in.

[CanDo]

This issue is TOO big for any one entity to do on it's own. It, by nature, must be helped along by the government..

The government is not capable of helping our health care system in a positive way, especially under the proven incompetents Obama, Pelosi and Reed.



Then you should know that doctors spend almost as much time on paperwork than they do on patient care. Bureaucratic Health organizations, in many cases, decide patient treatment, rather than medical professionals.


..don't even try to LECTURE me about health insurance and paperwork.

Lecture you? I was posting facts. How was I lecturing you?

You don't have to get hysterical over it! :rolleyes:


I've been on the telephone with people who refused to go to the emergency room because they were afraid that their insurance wouldn't pay for it and wound up dying because of it.

Just because you spend your days changing bedpans, or talking on the phone, doesn't make you an expert on our medical care system. You don't seem to realize about the load of paperwork that is forced upon our medical care system by our government, and the negative impact of insurance companies making health care decisions instead of doctors.

My comment was regarding the significant amount of paperwork, forced on our doctors by our incompetent bureaucrats in government, and the fact that a lot of health care decisions are made by insurance companies and not doctors.

In your hysterical, clueless response you post an example of why I was right, disagreeing with me at the same time?! You need to engage your brain before you engage the keyboard with your illogical, hysterical utterances.

You need to empty more bedpans and post less. :tdown:


I want everyone to have access to affordable, good quality and timely health care. The difference between you and me is that you think that government, somehow, someway, is capable of fixing our health care system.


Please don't lecture me about what it's like for people who don't have health insurance.

I was lecturing you by saying that I want everyone to have access to affordable, good quality and timely health care???

I think that you are going off the deep end because you think that government spending is the answer to all of our problems, and I know that it isn't and it hasn't been.

[CanDo]

Doing something is better than doing nothing; which has been the status quo for the last 50 years regarding health care.


I agree, but what is Obama really going to do? I want to hear specifics. You're a big supporter of Obama so maybe you can fill us in.

You are asking Y. Shulamith for specifics? She hasn't a clue. She is in love with her smooth talking, rock-star President, and thinks that he is gifted with business acumen that it normally takes professionals many years of experience to acquire.

Congress is rushing through an enormous spending bill, and medical bill, without sufficient due diligence. Shulamith seems to think that things work out well with a lack of proper planning. Obviously the most that Shulamith has ever planned regards the proper disposal of bedpans.

I have been through budgetary processes, including for new projects, in both small and large companies. The process can be long and laborious, yet in those cases the people working on the plan were familiar with the industry. Yet it was still a very difficult, time consuming process.

Shulamith is obviously very naive and irrational, like most Democrats and left wingers.

Good luck getting Shulamith to give you a straight answer. :rolleyes:

[Brody15]

That's Oregon and that's for MEDICAID, insurance for the poor, the indigent......not a comprehenive healthcare plan that includes the middle class, and you cannot compare money for Medicaid to a comprehensive healthcare plan.

I don't think throwing mor money at something changes the example above.

[Y. Shulamith]

I've never changed a bed-pan but if I did, I wouldn't be ashamed of it.....nurses are the most wonderful people in the world and do things to help people in ways that your cupidity and spitefullness would never, ever appreciate.

I've seen the human side of suffering in this health care crisis, however, and it's nothing for the USA to be proud of or squawk about.

There are wonderful doctors and nurses who really want to help the people who need it, but they can't live on love, either.

You, the detractors of comprehensive healthcare in the USA, and who are happy with the status quo, just come out and admit that you really don't give a hoot about people who have to do without. Don't stand on ceremony and don't act like you care, one iota about people who have to go without healthcare, because obviously, you see healthcare as a privilege for the few and not a right for everyone here.

Israeli's and the rest of the world are probably pretty amazed that a country like the USA doesn't have comprehensive healthcare for all.

I've always had health insurance, but there for the grace of G-d go I.

[CanDo]

... You, the detractors of comprehensive healthcare in the USA, and who are happy with the status quo, ...

Once again, you show your confused mental state. I have said over and over again that our healthcare system is broken. I have stated some of the reasons why I feel this way.

You respond irrationally and obviously emotionally, without any regard to anything that anyone else says! It is either because you are lacking comprehension skills, you are dyslectic, you allow your wishes to overwhelm whatever small capacity of logic you might have, or your judgement has been overwhelmed by the smell of too many bedpans.

Show me where I have stated or implied that I am against comprehensive healthcare! Show me where I have stated that I am happy with the status quo. Those are dumb, emotional comments from you. Your comments just never make any sense. The worst part is that your illogical, emotional comments make sense to you! :rolleyes:

[Y. Shulamith]

Once again, you show your confused mental state. I have said over and over again that our healthcare system is broken. I have stated some of the reasons why I feel this way.

You respond irrationally and obviously emotionally, without any regard to anything that anyone else says! It is either because you are lacking comprehension skills, you are dyslectic, you allow your wishes to overwhelm whatever small capacity of logic you might have, or your judgement has been overwhelmed by the smell of too many bedpans.

Show me where I have stated or implied that I am against comprehensive healthcare! Show me where I have stated that I am happy with the status quo. Those are dumb, emotional comments from you. Your comments just never make any sense. The worst part is that your illogical, emotional comments make sense to you! :rolleyes:

I am pro health-care......therefore I am way left....and I am Pro-Israel, therfore I am way right....I can split the ticket any way I see fit and get as much grief about it as I can take. That's just fine with me...I'm a big girl and I can "take the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune".

Without emotions we are just dead people......I'll take emotions, anyday over nothingness.:D

[wat0n]

I've never changed a bed-pan but if I did, I wouldn't be ashamed of it.....nurses are the most wonderful people in the world and do things to help people in ways that your cupidity and spitefullness would never, ever appreciate.

I've seen the human side of suffering in this health care crisis, however, and it's nothing for the USA to be proud of or squawk about.

There are wonderful doctors and nurses who really want to help the people who need it, but they can't live on love, either.

You, the detractors of comprehensive healthcare in the USA, and who are happy with the status quo, just come out and admit that you really don't give a hoot about people who have to do without. Don't stand on ceremony and don't act like you care, one iota about people who have to go without healthcare, because obviously, you see healthcare as a privilege for the few and not a right for everyone here.

Israeli's and the rest of the world are probably pretty amazed that a country like the USA doesn't have comprehensive healthcare for all.

I've always had health insurance, but there for the grace of G-d go I.

I'm not American so I may be messing up big time, but as far as I know the main problem with healthcare in the US is that it's very expensive, am I wrong? In fact I think the US spends around 15% of its GDP on healthcare, meaning that the US is the country that spends the biggest share of its GDP on health... Yet there's not Universal healthcare up there.

A source on this: http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34175_20070917.pdf

If this is the case, the debate should be about how can the US reduce healthcare costs rather than if there should be Universal Coverage, right?

[Y. Shulamith]

Healthcare in the USA is top notch but people in the USA aren't the most healthy, on the contrary. That being said, top-notch care costs money. If you have the money and/or insurance the system works fine. If you lose your job, have a job that doesn't pay for healthcare or have spotty coverage, you are kind of "out of luck".

It's difficult to take the best parts of healthcare and mesh it into something that would be cost-effective and available to every citizen in the USA.

It's difficult, but folks who are smarter than I am most definitely can find a way to do it, if the will of the people is there and that is what the people of the USA want.

Some people say you cannot have the best of both worlds.......but maybe you can come close and cover everyone here.

[Steven]

Once again, you show your confused mental state. I have said over and over again that our healthcare system is broken. I have stated some of the reasons why I feel this way.

You respond irrationally and obviously emotionally, without any regard to anything that anyone else says! It is either because you are lacking comprehension skills, you are dyslectic, you allow your wishes to overwhelm whatever small capacity of logic you might have, or your judgement has been overwhelmed by the smell of too many bedpans.

Show me where I have stated or implied that I am against comprehensive healthcare! Show me where I have stated that I am happy with the status quo. Those are dumb, emotional comments from you. Your comments just never make any sense. The worst part is that your illogical, emotional comments make sense to you! :rolleyes:

She runs on emotions and has no answers what so ever. Also she knows little about socialized health care. She does not understand how much damage Obama is going to do to America.

[Yala]

Our healthcare system is broken and completely sucks. Now can someone please explain to me what Obama is going to do about it?

[CanDo]

She runs on emotions and has no answers what so ever. Also she knows little about socialized health care. She does not understand how much damage Obama is going to do to America.

It's frustrating "discussing" an issue with Y. Shulamith. She offers nothing to the conversation other than false accusations and arguments based on false, wishful hopes. She, like many others who have been weaned through American Idol, think that just because her rock-star candidate or party won, that anything these morally and mentally corrupt, less than competent political hacks do, will fix all of the problems of the US. It is childish, naive "thinking", that is so typical of the left.

Obama, with little or no experience, gets up and gives a speech that, the throwing of trillions of dollars at America's financial and domestic problems, without due diligence, will fix everything. He is believable to the naive and unknowing, and to the countless millions of his rock-star fans.

Obama is putting the US into serious debt. Who the hell is going to loan America the money?! China? Japan? They are our biggest debt holders and China is not only selling their own bonds to raise money right now, China's printing presses are running not stop, printing money for their own domestic needs.

It doesn't look good, and I fear for the future stability and security of, not only America, but our allies, especially Israel.

[CanDo]

Our healthcare system is broken and completely sucks. Now can someone please explain to me what Obama is going to do about it?

Not according to Y. Shulamith. She thinks that America's healthcare system is top notch. :tdown:

I've battled major health problems, for over 20 years, with Heart Failure, Immune System Dysfunction, Insulin Resistance, Asthma and Environmental Illness. I learned a long time ago not to depend upon our broken medical system, but to depend upon myself.

Faced with long waits, unresponsive, uncaring, poorly trained, poorly educated doctors, the only way to survive and to greatly improve my disease states, was to be very proactive regarding my own health care, including deciding which med(s) were the most effective; self-diagnosis, and deciding my own course of treatment. I use our medical system for tests and prescriptions of my chosing, and then get complete sets of all results, and interpret the results for myself. It is not because I am qualified to do so, but because I have had no other choice if I want to survive these nasty illnesses. As a result, my supposed progressive diseases have actually improved quite a bit, along with my quality of life.

Throwing trillions of dollars into our broken health care is just throwing good money after bad. A year or two from now, everyone will be asking what happened to the money. There is a huge amount of waste and corruption in both Medicare and Medicaid. Our government doesn't seem to have the ability to oversee anything properly. Plus..... many government political hacks, their family and their friends, all have their fingers in the till.

Graft, corruption and mismanagement will be Obama's legacy.

[Madeline]

When I needed a $60,000.00 hip surgery, Israel didn't pay for it. When my husband was out of work when my kid was a baby, Israel didn't help me. When I needed to be hospitalized for malignant hypertension, Israel didn't pay my hospital bills. They didn't pay for the birth of my son, either.

Israel doesn't give a damn about my 80+ year old mother who isn't RICH enough to afford any kind of assisted living for the elderly Jewish people AND they don't give a damn about her because she DOESN'T have the right connections.

Israel doesn't give a damn if our teeth fall out or or our kids cannot afford vaccinations.

Israel HAS SOCIALIZED medicine and even the Gazans have better medical care than people here in the USA who lack for medical insurance.

That's just one of many reasons I wouldn't have voted for McCain, if you'd a put a gun to my head.

Obama is trying to make things easier and more accessible for the less than affluent here in the USA and for that I laud him.

My heart goes out to the people of Israel, but we here in the USA have to live and have needs, just like they do.

My brother lives in Israel and has for all of his adult life and he and his son have served in the IDF, but he CANNOT afford to bring my mother over to an assisted living facility because HE cannot afford it there either.

So, I tell all of you bleeding heart conservatives; sometimes Americans need to have their needs addressed and cannot possibly keep giving, giving to Israel.

Americans here and now need medical care and social services that people in the ME already enjoy.

Thanks for nothing.

You know dear, on one hand you condemn Israeli Nationalized Healthcare, on the other hand you want it to come here-via Obama bringing it to those who can't afford it. can you rally be so blinded by his charisma that you can 't see the writing on the wall? Nationalized HC, just as in Israel, will select the 'deserving', the ones who are functional members of society. Betcha you'll think differently when older, and in need of surgery, but are being denied because of age or ability to contribute. What do you think the Nat. HC is that BHO will implement?

[Madeline]

Subject: Atlas Shrugs: OBAMA'S TERRIBLE APPOINTMENT: CHAS FREEMAN


http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/02/obamas-terrible-appointment-chas-freeman.html


Friday, February 27, 2009
OBAMA'S TERRIBLE APPOINTMENT: CHAS FREEMAN

Another henchman in President's Be Hussein's Reich.
Obama Announcement " The Jews They Will Vote for US Anyway" Yid with Lid

I just received the following notice:

The Director of National Intelligence has selected Charles W. Freeman, Jr. as the Chairman of the National Intelligence Council (NIC). The Chairman of the NIC will report to the Deputy Director of National Intelligence for Analysis (DDNYA) and the Director of National Intelligence (DNI). As Chairman of the NIC, Ambassador Freeman will be responsible for overseeing the production of National Intelligence Estimates (NIE) and other Intelligence Community analytical products, providing substantive counsel to the DNI and senior policymakers on issues of top national security importance, reaching out to nongovernmental experts in academia and the private sector to broaden the Intelligence Community's perspective, and articulating substantive intelligence priorities and procedures to guide intelligence collection and analysis.

As discussed over the last few days Ambassador Freeman is not just Anti-Israel, his views go way beyond the range of normal, even for an opponent of the Jewish State. Freeman runs magazine that claims the Iraq war was waged to help Israel . He subscribes the the "Walt and Mearsheimer contention that the Israel Lobby (a nice way of saying Jews) control the US Foreign policy. His MEPC political action group publishes a Workbook that teaches our children that the Muslims discovered the "New World" and the "Indians" who met he English Explorers all had Muslim names. The man will now be the gatekeeper deciding what gets to the President, is a Friend of the Bin Laden family, Sportive of Chinese Cruelty and runs a company Projects International that does a lot of business with the Saudi Royal family.

Its only been five weeks, but the President has made great strides to prove what many in the conservative community were warning the Jewish voters, "Obama is not a supporter of the Jewish State" Just look at the other moves he has made over the past two weeks....

Posted by Pamela Geller on Friday, February 27, 2009 at 08:16 AM in President Hussein | Permalink

[Madeline]

Something a bit on the humorous side re: Obamacare

http://aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf

[Y. Shulamith]

First, if healthcare doesn't cover all citizens, it's not really a comprehensive health care plan. Second, I know that in many, if not all, countries with socialized health care, in some way or another have to "ration" the care. For instance, a hip replacement surgery in Canada has a waiting list of up to one year; many people fly to India and have the surgery there, in order to have the surgery more expeditiously, than the one year waiting list that Canada has. The surgery can be had for approximatelyl $15,000.00 hospital, surgery and air fair and, hopefully, you get a decent surgeon and hospital and don't die from lack of expertise, in the whole scope of things.

I don't doubt that there will be some type of caveats to comprehensive health care here in the USA, but at least there will be something for everyone who is caught in the middle of this nightmarish health care problem.

I have fairly good insurance and I don't lack for health care, but.....were my spouse to be laid off......COBRA would be a very expensive endeavor and, with an ongoing unemployment such as it is....with no end in sight in the economy that has tanked and tanked badly.

I think that the time has come to remedy this situation and status quo presidents that we have had, wouldn't touch it with a stick. Why? Because their constituencies aren't in need of it. Their constituencies are the top 1% of all income groups who are in dire need of tax shelters and tax exemptions, not comprehensive health care, for heaven's sake.

I say, it's time for some level of coverage for middle-class Americans. It's time for the USA to take it's respective head out of the sand and provide some coverage for average Americans.

Now, I am not, of course, a top level health administrator specialist, but there are plenty of people here in the USA who have the education and know how, as to how to initiate a program and how best to fund it. The USA shouldn't turn it's back on this important issue any longer.

[CanDo]

Obama's big spending, poorly managed, poorly planned "universal" health care plan for the US will make the system worse and provide inferior health care to all but politicians and the wealthy.

I don't care what kind of system is being developed, poor management and poor planning results in garbage.

Fortunately, for my family, I have learned how to avoid our medical system(s) by treating my own family and pet's health issues, as much as possible, without having to rely on our broken health care system. Now that it is obvious that, under Obama's mismanagement, our heath care system is going to get a lot worse, with the number of competent doctors and nurses declining and the number of medical hacks increasing, and the level of care decreasing, I feel hopeful that I can avoid the upcoming health care fiasco and disaster.

Obama is also in the process of destroying America's economy and national strength. America's enemies will be happy to see the degradation of America. Obama's misguided, mismanaged, ideological, ruinous plans will lower everyone's standard of living, and make America less safe.

So....... let's hope that Obama's new low-quality, ineffective, universal health-care system is able to cope with the results of the next Islamic attacks on American soil, which will surely happen under Obama's lack of effective leadership.

[CanDo]

Obama, lacking any practical experience at problem solving or systems analysis, is making huge ideological changes, mindlessly "thinking" that they will have positive outcomes.

What is going to happen is rampant inflation and a degradation of America's power and economy.

Gone will be the higher paying jobs. Layoffs of skilled, educated employees, such as they ones from the research departments of drug companies, will increase, and America will experience a growth of low paid jobs.

Obama is playing idealistic "pot-luck" with our economy. His plans are so insanely stupid that the results can only be disastrous.

Will America become the next Zimbabwe or Venezuela, under Obama's reckless rule? Or..... will blue-dog Democrats unite with Republicans and any other clear-thinking, patriotic American politicians, and stop the insanity before it ruins this country?

[Madeline]

First, if healthcare doesn't cover all citizens, it's not really a comprehensive health care plan. Second, I know that in many, if not all, countries with socialized health care, in some way or another have to "ration" the care. For instance, a hip replacement surgery in Canada has a waiting list of up to one year; many people fly to India and have the surgery there, in order to have the surgery more expeditiously, than the one year waiting list that Canada has. The surgery can be had for approximatelyl $15,000.00 hospital, surgery and air fair and, hopefully, you get a decent surgeon and hospital and don't die from lack of expertise, in the whole scope of things.

I don't doubt that there will be some type of caveats to comprehensive health care here in the USA, but at least there will be something for everyone who is caught in the middle of this nightmarish health care problem.

I have fairly good insurance and I don't lack for health care, but.....were my spouse to be laid off......COBRA would be a very expensive endeavor and, with an ongoing unemployment such as it is....with no end in sight in the economy that has tanked and tanked badly.

I think that the time has come to remedy this situation and status quo presidents that we have had, wouldn't touch it with a stick. Why? Because their constituencies aren't in need of it. Their constituencies are the top 1% of all income groups who are in dire need of tax shelters and tax exemptions, not comprehensive health care, for heaven's sake.

I say, it's time for some level of coverage for middle-class Americans. It's time for the USA to take it's respective head out of the sand and provide some coverage for average Americans.

Now, I am not, of course, a top level health administrator specialist, but there are plenty of people here in the USA who have the education and know how, as to how to initiate a program and how best to fund it. The USA shouldn't turn it's back on this important issue any longer.

As you said, with unemployment on the rise since dems took power in 2006 (while blaming it on Bush), perhaps the Chinese can pay for the utopian dreams and wishes so many come up with.

[Y. Shulamith]

As you said, with unemployment on the rise since dems took power in 2006 (while blaming it on Bush), perhaps the Chinese can pay for the utopian dreams and wishes so many come up with.

Just not true; unemployment is the Repub's baby, going back to RayGun....union-busting, de-regulation and slow wage increases.....all the way through to the Bush's incentives for companies to move out of the country. It will take awhile to fix it. Obama is giving tax credits for companies to keep jobs in the USA, not giving them incentives to leave, as the Repubicans have been for decades.

Obama was handed a big pile of crap to clean up, whether it be Dem or Repub, or a big amount from both, it will take some time to remedy the situation.

Dem's are pro-worker and the Repubs have always been for the corporate fat-cats; everyone knows that.

[Madeline]

Just not true; unemployment is the Repub's baby, going back to RayGun....union-busting, de-regulation and slow wage increases.....all the way through to the Bush's incentives for companies to move out of the country. It will take awhile to fix it. Obama is giving tax credits for companies to keep jobs in the USA, not giving them incentives to leave, as the Repubicans have been for decades.

Obama was handed a big pile of crap to clean up, whether it be Dem or Repub, or a big amount from both, it will take some time to remedy the situation.

Dem's are pro-worker and the Repubs have always been for the corporate fat-cats; everyone knows that.
Ha, if you want to start there, look at the label of every piece of clothing worn by every American, look at all our appliances.....Dems and Reps are equally at fault then. Do you drive a non-union Toyota, or a foreign vehicle?
Does it matter what pushed the dominos over, or who set them up in the first place? You need only look back to Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and the failure of congress to listen and act while the Bush administartion begged them, I believe it was 8 to 10 times to do something about Fannie and Freddie. The ARMs (and ARMs adjust, thats what they do) were but one domino in a train that was being setup since the 70's. In the end, the dominos were set and were doomed to topple sooner or later, and congress's failure to act was the nudge that "pushed first, and incredibly large, donimo over". The blame has to be put squarely where it belongs to engage in a real discussion of this issue.

[CanDo]

... Dems and Reps are equally at fault then.

Both parties have been overrun by their own set of ideologues, and both are equally to blame for the mess we are in. Each party caters to it's cronies.


... and the failure of congress to listen and act while the Bush administration begged them, I believe it was 8 to 10 times to do something about Fannie and Freddie. ...

Bush showed his lack of leadership by not following through on the upcoming disaster. Our government was in a fiscal disaster with Bush at the helm, and the Democrats controlling congress.

If the Bush Administration was that concerned about the obvious destruction that Barney Frank and the Democrats were doing to our country through their reckless policies regarding Fannie and Freddie, then why the hell couldn't the President of the US do something about it? Where was the Bush Administration? Why didn't he speak up? He could have brought the issue to the American people at any time, but didn't. He could have gone before congress and made it a big issue, but didn't!

I am fed up with both parties. Unfortunately, though, the reckless, socialist Democrats are totally in charge, under a weak, inexperienced, reckless leader, Obama, and the ONLY possible result will be disaster. Problems can't be fixed by throwing ill-planned, ill-conceived wads of cash at them. If that approach would work, then American families could fix their financial problems by throwing money indiscriminately at their problems. It just doesn't work that way.

[Y. Shulamith]

Yeah, where were proper regulations in the SEC while Madoff stole from hundreds of people? There weren't many and those that were there weren't enforced. Good work, Repubs. Madoff got to come into full bloom under the Repubs stripping away of regulations all over the books...

[Y. Shulamith]

We have two American, and one foreign car. As with everyone else, goods from the USA are harder to find. I've found clothes and/or fabric made in the USA at "Coldwater Creek", they are somewhat more expensive, but I try to get at least a portion of my clothing there. Lots and lots of things are impossible to buy American. A few years ago I did mange to get a set of Lenox China. Unfortunately, they ALONG with Wedgewood, Spode and Waterford are all, as they say in England, under "forebearance", Lenox is under Chapter 11!!

[Madeline]

I full disclosure, I am not Republican nor Democrat, but blissfully Independent, trying to vote my conscience. I am tired of all of them as well, and I don't see anyone worth voting for at the time, and none deserve my respect.
It is sad that one has to search far and wide to find items made in the US, ...unless I am trying to find imported Olive Oil etc...but this helps a bit in the research
http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/

And again, we are at fault, all of us, not just 'the man' whoever he may be at any given time. He is just hired help for a few years.

[varian]

.... is just hired help for a few years.

Unfortunately, too many think that they are the new royalty.

[Madeline]

Unfortunately, too many think that they are the new royalty.

Magicians is more like it.

[Y. Shulamith]

Ha, if you want to start there, look at the label of every piece of clothing worn by every American, look at all our appliances.....Dems and Reps are equally at fault then. Do you drive a non-union Toyota, or a foreign vehicle?
Does it matter what pushed the dominos over, or who set them up in the first place? You need only look back to Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and the failure of congress to listen and act while the Bush administartion begged them, I believe it was 8 to 10 times to do something about Fannie and Freddie. The ARMs (and ARMs adjust, thats what they do) were but one domino in a train that was being setup since the 70's. In the end, the dominos were set and were doomed to topple sooner or later, and congress's failure to act was the nudge that "pushed first, and incredibly large, donimo over". The blame has to be put squarely where it belongs to engage in a real discussion of this issue.


Blame Greenspan......there's plenty of blame to go around....ARMS are just WONDERFUL and should be taken advantage of, says Greenspan....plenty of blame to go around.

[Yala]

Yeah, where were proper regulations in the SEC while Madoff stole from hundreds of people? There weren't many and those that were there weren't enforced. Good work, Repubs. Madoff got to come into full bloom under the Repubs stripping away of regulations all over the books...

You are so partisan you can't even see straight. Do you think Madoff started his scheming in 2001???

[Madeline]

You are so partisan you can't even see straight. Do you think Madoff started his scheming in 2001???
Good catch...I missed that one. BTW, it's another classic example of Bush derangement syndrome.
Another one is when the guy, whom I sent a clip of Alan Keyes to, compared Dr. Keyes to Ahmadinejad, and called me irrational.
Mmmmmmm, it's enough now folks, Bush isn't in office anymore, time to snap out of it, whatever you want to call it, since you don't believe the real reason behind this blind hatred.
Some don't care if this Country will be run into the ground completely, or is owned by China in its entirety, just so they can say "I told you so".
Hey y'all, America is suffering. Enough already.

[CanDo]

Could Obama be a muslim plant, planned a long time ago, and groomed to give the Islamic world increased political power in the US?

I know that Obama has lived most of his life as a Christian, so to speak, but I look at the damage that he is doing to the U.S. and the damage that he is doing, or planning to do to Israel, and his cuddling up to Iran and the rest of the Muslim/Arab world, and I wonder???

Early, Obama announced the closure of Gitmo, which will help Islamic terrorist groups.

Obama's reckless, enormous, uncoordinated, ill-planned, mismanaged spending bills of trillions of dollars will further weaken our nation.

Obama is cutting defense spending. This will cause celebration throughout the radical Islamic world, and will not only allow for increased Islamic Imperialistic expansion, but will also open the door to increased Russian Imperialistic expansion. The North Koreans are probably giving each other "high fives" at the news.

Obama's pledge of about $100 million dollars for Gaza, will get into the hands of Hamas, Iran and other Islamic enemies of the U.S.

Obama's closely associated with anti-American, anti-Israel, pro-Islamic radicals, prior to getting elected President. Coincidence??? :unsure:

[Y. Shulamith]

Good catch...I missed that one. BTW, it's another classic example of Bush derangement syndrome.
Another one is when the guy, whom I sent a clip of Alan Keyes to, compared Dr. Keyes to Ahmadinejad, and called me irrational.
Mmmmmmm, it's enough now folks, Bush isn't in office anymore, time to snap out of it, whatever you want to call it, since you don't believe the real reason behind this blind hatred.
Some don't care if this Country will be run into the ground completely, or is owned by China in its entirety, just so they can say "I told you so".
Hey y'all, America is suffering. Enough already.

Absolutely not; RayGun did the big de-regulating. Nixon "opened" China so that we could get ourselves royally screwed by our "new friends" and "First Nation Trading Status".....enough with first nation trading status.....I guess it is too late for that.....

Rick Santorun, ex-Senator from Pennsylvania is quoted and on U-Tube as saying that he DID hope that Obama and his policies fail. That's a nice guy....wishing ill will for the USA for the sake of politics; a pox on him!!!

[Madeline]

Could Obama be a muslim plant, planned a long time ago, and groomed to give the Islamic world increased political power in the US?

I know that Obama has lived most of his life as a Christian, so to speak, but I look at the damage that he is doing to the U.S. and the damage that he is doing, or planning to do to Israel, and his cuddling up to Iran and the rest of the Muslim/Arab world, and I wonder???

Early, Obama announced the closure of Gitmo, which will help Islamic terrorist groups.

Obama's reckless, enormous, uncoordinated, ill-planned, mismanaged spending bills of trillions of dollars will further weaken our nation.

Obama is cutting defense spending. This will cause celebration throughout the radical Islamic world, and will not only allow for increased Islamic Imperialistic expansion, but will also open the door to increased Russian Imperialistic expansion. The North Koreans are probably giving each other "high fives" at the news.

Obama's pledge of about $100 million dollars for Gaza, will get into the hands of Hamas, Iran and other Islamic enemies of the U.S.

Obama's closely associated with anti-American, anti-Israel, pro-Islamic radicals, prior to getting elected President. Coincidence??? :unsure:
Well, IMVHO, he is backed by an antisemite nontheless. You could be on to something, but, unless we have facts, I'd rather not come across as having lost my marbles.

[Madeline]

Absolutely not; RayGun did the big de-regulating. Nixon "opened" China so that we could get ourselves royally screwed by our "new friends" and "First Nation Trading Status".....enough with first nation trading status.....I guess it is too late for that.....
Well, tell all the KoolAide drinkers to quit regulating the US and start regulating China, and we talk again.
Don't drive what you want, don't 'pollute', regulate.....yep, surely sounds like those evil employers, or does it?

[Y. Shulamith]

Well, tell all the KoolAide drinkers to quit regulating the US and start regulating China, and we talk again.
Don't drive what you want, don't 'pollute', regulate.....yep, surely sounds like those evil employers, or does it?

Oh, you are pro-pollution? I live in a state that had to have one of the largest supefund clean-ups in the history of the USA; the infamous Lipari Landfill. Yup, those evil comapanies that shitted up the land and didn't clean up after themselves, indeed.

The land where a former thermometer factory was turned into a daycare center......well, the hell with the kiddies, so what if they grow up inhaling mercury and come down with all kinds of problems; the vapors were only 27% beyond the governments limits of legalality, for ADULTS, let alone KIDS.

The businessman knowingly sold the land and didn't give a damn for the safety of the people who didnt realize that the property was way toxic. Just business, eh?

Who cares about the future of the very ground the USA has or the safety of babies.....:rolleyes:

[Madeline]

Oh, you are pro-pollution? I live in a state that had to have one of the largest supefund clean-ups in the history of the USA; the infamous Lipari Landfill. Yup, those evil comapanies that shitted up the land and didn't clean up after themselves, indeed.

The land where a former thermometer factory was turned into a daycare center......well, the hell with the kiddies, so what if they grow up inhaling mercury and come down with all kinds of problems; the vapors were only 27% beyond the governments limits of legalality, for ADULTS, let alone KIDS.

The businessman knowingly sold the land and didn't give a damn for the safety of the people who didnt realize that the property was way toxic. Just business, eh?

Who cares about the future of the very ground the USA has or the safety of babies.....:rolleyes:
How do you get pro pollution out of that. I am against pollution in China, against inequal rights, against OVER regulating out factories, so that they have to close the doors here and go somewhere else.
And, btw, let's drill, because, driving what I want doesn't mean I want to pollute, it just means that I am an American...land of the FREE. It should be a choice, not a socialist mandate, that's all.
I love you dearly, but you have to get your head out of the sand while you are still allowed. At the rate we are going, who knows what we can and cannot do pretty soon.

[CanDo]

Well, IMVHO, he is backed by an antisemite nontheless. You could be on to something, but, unless we have facts, I'd rather not come across as having lost my marbles.

Obama is quickly weakening the US and strengthening America's Islamic enemies. The trillions of dollars of wasteful, mismanagement reckless spending, the start of class warfare in our country, combined with a weakening of our defense and increased appeasement of our enemies, bodes badly for our economic future and our security.

If Obama isn't part of an Islamic plot against America, he sure fits into the scenario by coincidence.

[Yala]

Rick Santorun, ex-Senator from Pennsylvania is quoted and on U-Tube as saying that he DID hope that Obama and his policies fail. That's a nice guy....wishing ill will for the USA for the sake of politics; a pox on him!!!


You guys did the same with Bush. The Democrats did that all the time, were not sorry for it, and now are acting "shocked" when Republican supporters are doing the same to Obama.

[Y. Shulamith]

You guys did the same with Bush. The Democrats did that all the time, were not sorry for it, and now are acting "shocked" when Republican supporters are doing the same to Obama.


I don't think most of us wished for him to fail; we wished for him to do better than what he seemed capable of doing, actually. He was doing so abysmally, actually, that you couldn't wish for a guy doing worse...he had the worse part down pretty good.....of course, some of you think the same of Obama, but I don't think that you wish for him to fail or for the country to fail, in essense; at least I would hope that you didn't.

I felt sorry for George in a funny way because I felt that he was a tragic figure, all things being equal, and that his choices and those of his cabal, Rove, Cheney and Rummy were a seriously flawed agenda.

I know you are going to ask what was such a flawed agenda:

1. Not going after the Taliban after 9/11 and other terrorists in Paki and Afgan.
2. Hiring ill-chosen individuals like Brownie, who knew nothing about disaster management and himself, was a disaster when the whole Katrina transpired.
3. Continuing tax-exemptions for the rich.
4. Would have been much better off going after Iran OR Korea, rather than the easy target of Iraq, if he really wanted to befriend Israel, turn Iran into a parking lot, especially.
5. Tripling the defict and spending like a drunken sailor.
6. Cutting funding through the "no child left behind", testing more important than learning.
7. No bid contracts, Halliburton and Blackwater on the take for billions with Cheney.
8. Rumsfeld making tons of money thru owning Tami-flu and conniving via starting a bird flu hysteria.
9. Using the judicial system for political purposes.
10. Giving in to religious zealots and allowing France to leave us behind in stem cell research; just allowing people to suffer from diseases that stem cell research might have abated.
11. Corrupting capitalism by giving out stimulus checks, which did nothing in the long run.
12. Corrupting capitalism by bailing out FAILED businesses, and setting the precedent for doing so in modern times.
13. Tossing out the Geneva Convention AND making a shambles of the constitution by tossing out the right of habeas corpus.
14. Having over 4,000 lives lost for the sake of political ideology in Iraq.
15. Screwing up so bad, that the doors were opened for a black man to be elected.......:rofl:just joking folks!

[Mediocrates]

You guys did the same with Bush. The Democrats did that all the time, were not sorry for it, and now are acting "shocked" when Republican supporters are doing the same to Obama.


But now you're just fighting to be part of the failure for failure's sake. I think this will backfire the same way Gingrinch's staring contest with Clinton to shut down the government did. Most people do not want an apocalypse just so their party can eek out a victory in Congress next year. Or - maybe they do and will all go bad. Good luck with that.

[Yala]

I don't support Obama b/c he is anti-Israel and ultimately will be worse for our economy and will also do nothing for our terrible healthcare system. I don't "root against him" or "hope for him to fail" b/c he's a Democrat. That's ridiculous.

[Tonto]

Obama will be Obama and a failure that will make that idiot Carter look good. He's an unarmed man matching wits with the world....and way out of his depth. The US will survive, and the dems will go down in history as unprosecuted traitors that did much damage to this country. There are already several (ie: Jane Fonda, Billy Ayers etc). Mark my words.

[Madeline]

Obama will be Obama and a failure that will make that idiot Carter look good. He's an unarmed man matching wits with the world....and way out of his depth. The US will survive, and the dems will go down in history as unprosecuted traitors that did much damage to this country. There are already several (ie: Jane Fonda, Billy Ayers etc). Mark my words.
And Obama will leave with his tail between his legs. Mark my words.
Obama is just one man, I don't want him to fail. But I know that his policies will fail, simply because one can't build on empty promises.
How can I spend money, if I know I won't earn enough to cover my expenses? If I do, someone else owns me.
Obama simplified for those who can't figure it out.
May I gently remind the members here that in Europe, some time ago, a Country started to print money to cover its expenses? Then a not so nice man came along and made promises, brought jobs...while having a plan...
Sometimes things are not what they seem, and all the wishful thinking in the world won't make them so.

[Y. Shulamith]

Mark my words.....the Republicans are in such a disarray right now...3/2/09....Jindal is a big flop.....Michael Steele is having fisticuffs with and about Limbaugh and the party has come apart at the seams.

The Democrats will pull off a major save, and the Republicans will still be out in the wilderness come 2012.

[CanDo]

=== "A U.N. resolution seeks to criminalize opinions that differ with the Islamic faith." ===

Now...... why would any one have any reason to criticize the Islamic Faith?

Gunmen Ambush Cricket Team in Pakistan, 7 Killed

An extract from: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,503964,00.html

"At least a dozen men attacked Sri Lanka's cricket team with rifles, grenades and rocket launchers Tuesday ahead of a match in Pakistan, wounding seven players, an umpire and an assistant coach. Six policemen and a driver were killed in the brazen assault on South Asia's most beloved sport.

...

the chief suspects will be Islamist militants, some with links to Al Qaeda, who have staged high-profile attacks on civilian targets before."

================================================== ==

Arab/Muslim nations OPENLY teach hatred and violence towards Christians, Jews, Hindus, and other nonMuslims in their schools, mosques and textbooks, and also are spreading the same hatreds and call to violence right here in America!!!

So....... how does Obama deal with the growing Islamic menace? He pledges almost a billion dollars in aid to Gaza, an Islamic terrorist run area which has been bombing and attacking Israel, every day, for over eight years, and has terrorist cells right here in the U.S.!

Where is Obama going to get the money to send to our Islamic enemies? He'll get it via his increased taxes on America's small businesses and electric utilities!

It makes one wonder..... who do we have in the White House, Obama, or Osama?!

[Tonto]

Mark my words.....the Republicans are in such a disarray right now...3/2/09....Jindal is a big flop.....Michael Steele is having fisticuffs with and about Limbaugh and the party has come apart at the seams.

The Democrats will pull off a major save, and the Republicans will still be out in the wilderness come 2012.

The GOP needs a major shake up...and Steele sure ain't the man to do it. He's more of a "flat on his butt" kinda guy. Lots of shakin' and bakin' has got to happen between now and 2012, and, unfortunately, I sure ain't seeing it happen.

[Tonto]

=== "A U.N. resolution seeks to criminalize opinions that differ with the Islamic faith." ===

Now...... why would any one have any reason to criticize the Islamic Faith?

Gunmen Ambush Cricket Team in Pakistan, 7 Killed

An extract from: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,503964,00.html

"At least a dozen men attacked Sri Lanka's cricket team with rifles, grenades and rocket launchers Tuesday ahead of a match in Pakistan, wounding seven players, an umpire and an assistant coach. Six policemen and a driver were killed in the brazen assault on South Asia's most beloved sport.

...

the chief suspects will be Islamist militants, some with links to Al Qaeda, who have staged high-profile attacks on civilian targets before."

================================================== ==

Arab/Muslim nations OPENLY teach hatred and violence towards Christians, Jews, Hindus, and other nonMuslims in their schools, mosques and textbooks, and also are spreading the same hatreds and call to violence right here in America!!!

So....... how does Obama deal with the growing Islamic menace? He pledges almost a billion dollars in aid to Gaza, an Islamic terrorist run area which has been bombing and attacking Israel, every day, for over eight years, and has terrorist cells right here in the U.S.!

Where is Obama going to get the money to send to our Islamic enemies? He'll get it via his increased taxes on America's small businesses and electric utilities!

It makes one wonder..... who do we have in the White House, Obama, or Osama?!

I honestly think that what we are seeing here is islam in "meltdown" mode. The more hysterical they get, the closer they are to explosion and obliteration.
Obamalamadingdong is just a bump in the road(perhaps temporary insanity in America) and will be gone soon, along with those dingbats Pelosi and Reid in Congress. Every time they open their mouths, they stick their feet in and chew vigorously. The grass roots are really becomming aroused around here. The dems are already hearing about it from their own constituents. I just wish the republicans would work harder at getting their road act in order. So far, they're pitiful.

[CanDo]

I honestly think that what we are seeing here is islam in "meltdown" mode.

I don't see any signs of weakening in Islamic terrorism. They have gained a strength-hold in Northern Pakistan, are still a menace in Iraq, and have gained strength in Afghanistan, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, Sudan, Egypt, Venezuela ... to name a few places.


The more hysterical they get, the closer they are to explosion and obliteration.

I don't see Islamic terrorism as hysterical. I see them as the same old, barbaric, brutal, inhuman beasts, as they always were, except they are expanding their terrorist cells and supporters throughout the world.



Obamalamadingdong is just a bump in the road and will be gone soon, along with those dingbats Pelosi and Reid in Congress. Every time they open their mouths, they stick their feet in and chew vigorously. The grass roots are really becomming aroused around here. The dems are already hearing about it from their own constituents. I just wish the republicans would work harder at getting their road act in order. So far, they're pitiful.

These incompetent, very reckless, mindless Democrat "leaders" have TWO YEARS, in which time they can, and will do significant damage to the US and to the rest of the free world.

I sure hope that the more moderate, "thinking" members of the Democrat Party will look past the "Rock Star" status of their incompetent, inexperienced and reckless President, and put a governor, or muzzle, on him.

[maven]

I. I just wish the republicans would work harder at getting their road act in order. So far, they're pitiful.Heigh-ho Tonto,

Until Republicans realize that they need to stop following wacky fools like Rush limbaugh, spent cartridges like McCain and that apology for a human being Sarah Palin there is no hope.

Our way forward is to be found in the writings of the Heritage foundation and other think tanks. We need to look for an intellectual with a clear view of the reality of the war on terror, a clear sense of American values (not dopey values like an ability to shoot wildlife or hate anyone different from their own limited sphere) or bigots like O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. We don't need a he-man who is all shadow and little substance like Schawrtzenegger either. Such a person does not exist in Washington or on TV or radio.

We need a competent, deep-thinking, hightly intelligent, analytical, sober, unprejudiced, rational and good-hearted mind steeped in the study of US history, beholden to no one or no church for his views but drawing those views from his own observation, study, character and vision.

Such a person has not yet emerged.

[Tonto]

I'm thinking a Newt Gingrich kind of guy myself. I been wondering what the dems got on him to prevent him from running. The man is brilliant. And I love Sarah Palin (I want to be her intern). Looks like Mitt Romney, or thereabouts. McCain was pitiful. There's more life in the memory of my dead granny than that guy. I don't know if a intellectual powerhouse kinda guy will get it any more. A "people" kinda guy with a feel for what the folks are suffering and fearing, with some good moves that the people agree with and feel they are a part of a solution with. Obama ain't it. He just came on as "The One", the knight in shiny armour to save the common welfare recipient at the expense of the rich bastards who won't share the wealth and raise the welfare payments.
The Fox news "Dynamic Duo" sure has a following! That ought to tell ya something son, they are sure hitting a note with a lot of people here in the US. Maybe that English weather you suffer is effecting your judgement? The most popular news shows in the country are Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh......deal with that. The viewing public speaks right there.

[Madeline]

I'm thinking a Newt Gingrich kind of guy myself. I been wondering what the dems got on him to prevent him from running. The man is brilliant. And I love Sarah Palin (I want to be her intern). Looks like Mitt Romney, or thereabouts. McCain was pitiful. There's more life in the memory of my dead granny than that guy. I don't know if a intellectual powerhouse kinda guy will get it any more. A "people" kinda guy with a feel for what the folks are suffering and fearing, with some good moves that the people agree with and feel they are a part of a solution with. Obama ain't it. He just came on as "The One", the knight in shiny armour to save the common welfare recipient at the expense of the rich bastards who won't share the wealth and raise the welfare payments.
The Fox news "Dynamic Duo" sure has a following! That ought to tell ya something son, they are sure hitting a note with a lot of people here in the US. Maybe that English weather you suffer is effecting your judgement? The most popular news shows in the country are Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh......deal with that. The viewing public speaks right there.

The public outcry after Steele 'reprimanding' Rush speaks volumes. A sleeping giant has been woken.

[Tonto]

Steele apologized though didn't he? Rush was trying to get Steele off his butt and Steele saw a threat against his chairmanship...as well he might. All Steele did was demonstrate what a lame excuse he is for his office. Rush was right.

[Madeline]

Steele apologized though didn't he? Rush was trying to get Steele off his butt and Steele saw a threat against his chairmanship...as well he might. All Steele did was demonstrate what a lame excuse he is for his office. Rush was right.

Here is the WH vs Rush. Read and weep. It seems that Rush hit a nerve.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, who last month blasted CNBC host Rick Santelli from the podium in the briefing room, challenged reporters on Monday to ask Republicans if they agree with Limbaugh's desire.

"Do they want to see the president's economic agenda fail? You know, I bet there are a number of guests on television throughout the day and maybe into tomorrow who could let America know whether they agree with what Rush Limbaugh said this weekend."

Gibbs said he thought "it would be charitable to say he doubled down on what he said in January in wishing and hoping for economic failure in this country."

"I can only imagine what might have been said a few years ago if somebody might have said that on the other side relating to what was going on in this country or our
endeavors overseas," Gibbs said.

He added that the audience at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, at which Limbaugh spoke over the weekend, seemed to embrace Limbaugh's wish for Obama's failure, saying that Limbaugh's "notion of presidential failures seemed to be quite popular in the room in which he spoke."

After Gibbs launched into Santelli in late February, challenging that the CNBC host had not actually read the stimulus bill he was criticizing, a number of Democrats and Republicans expressed surprise in e-mails to The Hill that Gibbs would elevate such a critic by battling with him from the White House podium.

When asked Monday why he would "elevate" Limbaugh by addressing his criticisms from the podium, Gibbs said Limbaugh "elevated himself."

"He's got, I understand, a fairly popular radio show," Gibbs said.

He added: "I don't think it's a crazy question to ask about the commenting on whether or not somebody that seems to be maybe, for lack of a better word, a national spokesperson for conservative views and many in the Republican Party, what do I think about or what does this White House think about him on at least two separate occasions in front of large and applauding audiences seeking the failure of the president's economic agenda?"
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/white-house-fires-back-at-rush-limbaugh-2009-03-02.html
and
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/limbaugh_steele_feud/2009/03/02/187511.html?s=al&promo_code=7B4E-1

[bararallu]

Join the future! (http://www.lp.org/) 2 Party politics is too stable!!!! The only answer to economic instability is economic instability. :cool: I welcome all of you to my party!

[Mediocrates]

Libertarians always seem to forget that state and local government have to pick up the slack and the net difference in taxes, since this is really the only topic, is always more or less the same. In study after study voters are always in favor of expanding both law enforcement and school spending at the local level; the two largest consumers of tax dollars. I my state the trend in 70-72% in favor of expanding law enforcement and schools.

[CanDo]

... We need a competent, deep-thinking, hightly intelligent, analytical, sober, unprejudiced, rational and good-hearted mind steeped in the study of US history, beholden to no one or no church for his views but drawing those views from his own observation, study, character and vision.

Such a person has not yet emerged.

The qualifications that you state are incongruous with "politician".

In my opinion, we had a candidate with most of those qualifications, with a proven track record of success, Rudolph Giuliani, who was very successful at making significant improvements to New York City, during his reign as Mayor.

Rudolph Giuliani is a brilliant man, but he is not "conservative" enough for the right wing of the Republican Party. Religious dogma rules the Republicans, and socialist dogma rules the Democrats, and in American politics there is no such thing as a middle anymore. Both parties have been highjacked by their extreme wings.

I blame the Republican Party for running such a lousy Presidential Campaign, that it has allowed a socialist, incompetent, reckless government that will serious damage America for decades to come. The future does not look very good for America, nor for the rest of the free world.

[Tonto]

I blame the Republican Party for running such a lousy Presidential Campaign, that it has allowed a socialist, incompetent, reckless government that will serious damage America for decades to come. The future does not look very good for America, nor for the rest of the free world.[/QUOTE]


Dang! You can write that down and I'll sign it. That was the sorriest excuse for a campaign and a candidate I ever saw...and I seen all of them back to Ike. McCain made Carter (who I view as the supreme example of a wimp) look like a masterful man. Man, did I ever like Palin though.....I'm really in like with that lady! I don't want Obama to fall right through his boxer shorts, cause if he does, it's bad for America, but I can't see lots of positives in his program. He's robbing the rich to buy votes from the poor like crazy....but what does he do when that cow runs dry?...and it will. He's creating temporary jobs, not creating industry. Have you looked at the list of "projects"? Road improvements and maintenance works.....what does that do for building industry? His "handlers" need to update their economic package priorties, he (Obama) ain't got the smarts for it. He's way out of his depth.

[Madeline]

I blame the Republican Party for running such a lousy Presidential Campaign, that it has allowed a socialist, incompetent, reckless government that will serious damage America for decades to come. The future does not look very good for America, nor for the rest of the free world.


Dang! You can write that down and I'll sign it. That was the sorriest excuse for a campaign and a candidate I ever saw...and I seen all of them back to Ike. McCain made Carter (who I view as the supreme example of a wimp) look like a masterful man. Man, did I ever like Palin though.....I'm really in like with that lady! I don't want Obama to fall right through his boxer shorts, cause if he does, it's bad for America, but I can't see lots of positives in his program. He's robbing the rich to buy votes from the poor like crazy....but what does he do when that cow runs dry?...and it will. He's creating temporary jobs, not creating industry. Have you looked at the list of "projects"? Road improvements and maintenance works.....what does that do for building industry? His "handlers" need to update their economic package priorties, he (Obama) ain't got the smarts for it. He's way out of his depth.[/QUOTE]
:clap:

[bararallu]

Libertarians always seem to forget that state and local government have to pick up the slack and the net difference in taxes, since this is really the only topic, is always more or less the same. In study after study voters are always in favor of expanding both law enforcement and school spending at the local level; the two largest consumers of tax dollars. I my state the trend in 70-72% in favor of expanding law enforcement and schools.

And the big parties always forget that they are dependent on individuals for support ;). I think that many studies are crafted to disingenuous ends. Not to mention the scaremongering that goes on in the MSM in support of the established power base. Show me a study where a private citizen in Miami FL is willing to front the cost of education in Portland ME. Show me a study that a community in rural Montana gives a rats arse how many police and firemen there are in NYC. Show me a study of 20 year olds willing to front the bill supporting retirees that are looking to live 100years plus, 50% potentially with Alzheimers and Parkinsons and yet more expensive chronic conditions. And are you saying that health care (and SS) is not the primary (and secondary) expenditure by taxes generally?

That said, most Libs are for strong law enforcement and higher school standards. And most are funding those very things privately on top of the taxes. But no one can opt out from idiotic boondoggles, it's a gilded cage and we all know it.

How about that whopper of discretionary spending that goes anywhere from 15-20% of the budget every year, regardless of the administration. Taxed for discretionary use, nice. The big parties are a failure because their umbrellas are too huge. They promise everything to everybody. And if you're going to get on the whole social contract soap box, please explain to the citizens of your country why they are spending billions propping up autocracies and billions more paying health care etc for illegal immigrants. Then we can talk about unstated contracts per se that some frenchman thought up as an exercise of high fantasy.

BTW, I'm a former member of the Libertarian Party, I vote exclusively in Israel these days. And I wish we had an option like the Lib party in Israel.

[Madeline]

And the big parties always forget that they are dependent on individuals for support ;). I think that many studies are crafted to disingenuous ends. Not to mention the scaremongering that goes on in the MSM in support of the established power base. Show me a study where a private citizen in Miami FL is willing to front the cost of education in Portland ME. Show me a study that a community in rural Montana gives a rats arse how many police and firemen there are in NYC. Show me a study that shows 20 year olds willing to front the bill supporting retirees that are looking to live 100years plus, 50% potentially with Alzheimers and Parkinsons and yet more expensive chronic conditions. And are you saying that health care (and SS) is not the primary (and secondary) expenditures by the feds?

How about that whopper of discretionary spending that goes anywhere from 15-20% of the budget every year, regardless of the administration. Taxed for discretionary use, nice. The big parties are a failure because their umbrellas are too huge. They promise everything to everybody. And if you're going to get on the whole social contract soap box, please explain to the citizens of your country why they are spending billions propping up autocracies and billions more paying health care etc for illegal immigrants. Then we can talk about unstated contracts per se that some frenchman thought up as an exercise of high fantasy.

BTW, I'm a former member of the Libertarian Party, I vote exclusively in Israel these days. And I wish we had an option like the Lib party in Israel.
I agree with about 80% on Libertarian Issues...some of it is a bit ?Mmmmm?, but, again, mostly good ideas, and closest to the original intent of our Constitution.

[bararallu]

I agree with about 80% on Libertarian Issues...some of it is a bit ?Mmmmm?, but, again, mostly good ideas, and closest to the original intent of our Constitution.

Bar none it's the personal freedom loving party. It's very academic on one level and very practical on another. It has little old Jewish professors in it, White and Black Nationals, lots of legal Asian immigrants and everyone in between- all for their own reasons. It also doesnt promise the moon to everyone; it is the only party that has a consistent ideological commitment on economic growth. It doesnt believe in handouts, it's core is what makes America great: enabling your own mind and hands to accomplish your dreams. There is a founding idea of work ethic and reward based on merit. The party is against all quotas, unions, and subsidies like whats 90% of the current stimulus package out of Washington.

Most are not totally anarchistic, I'm not. Most aren't even all that brutally capitalistic (0 social net). But the principles are consistent across the board. The party is ok with you as a parent educating your children, whether it's Darwinism or creationism. The party is ok with you ending your life if you eg. are suffering with extreme pain. The party is ok with abortion if your local community is ok with it, it is ok with 99% of religious and social observance. The party is founded completely on grass roots agreements. It's all bottom up, rather than Washington DC down to everyone else. And the party ideology is evolving and consolidating, some extremists have already left and formed their own splinters. I think it has a great framework to work, the issue is that it doesnt attract too many glib politicians, which should speak volumes, especially given the fact that it's a pretty established party by now.

[bararallu]

I don't want Obama to fall right through his boxer shorts, cause if he does, it's bad for America, but I can't see lots of positives in his program.

Ditto. There are potentially some advantages tough; disconnecting from the Saudi nipple; basic science research generally and protecting the US farmer (actually large and small) from predation by the likes of Monsanto. I say potentially since the road to hell is paved with good intention. Foreign policy wise I suspect Obama will be equal to or worse than Carter, just look at the Russians taking a chocolate carvel (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/258257,russia-rejects-link-between-missile-defence-and-iran--update.html) on him concerning Iran. Notice how the US populace reacted to Carter sort of indecision and weakness. His likes was unelectable for decades. Will happen again.

[Tonto]

Dang man! I think I could be a closet Libertarian too! Holy cow, I already found out I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body! What next???
The "alternative energy" thing sounds a bit unreal though, but maybe it's Obama's delivery. Obama doesn't strike me as a "wrench"....more like a dreamer. And yes, farmers are in trouble, but there sure are some slick ones that are still hangin' in there. Tennessee farmers have changed main crops several times to go with economic flow. Sometimes it's a bit painfull, but they survive.

[bararallu]

Dang man! I think I could be a closet Libertarian too! Holy cow, I already found out I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body! What next???
The "alternative energy" thing sounds a bit unreal though, but maybe it's Obama's delivery. Obama doesn't strike me as a "wrench"....more like a dreamer.

I think he's neither. He's just good at giving nifty speeches. His election will be a sobering reality check for a lot of wrenches and dreamers all the same I think.


And yes, farmers are in trouble, but there sure are some slick ones that are still hangin' in there. Tennessee farmers have changed main crops several times to go with economic flow. Sometimes it's a bit painfull, but they survive.

They are being preyed upon by the big chem corps. Do you know it's virtually impossible to use your own seed.... I mean since before history farmers used their own seed to grow stuff. Now the law is on the side of the GM producers (As are their patents- the whole patent office should be redone IMO). See this film (http://www.thefutureoffood.com/), yes it's partially left wing propaganda, but what isn't is quite obvious and fact checkable and is an eye opener. I personally don't consider it a right-left issue, it's a right-wrong one.

[Tonto]

Hey, what's a "picker"? George Carlin line?

[bararallu]

Hey, what's a "picker"? George Carlin line?

LOL, no it's a Seinfeld line. George Costanza says it regarding Moses and the 40 yr trek thought the desert... we, er... some at least, have "big noses" :D.

[Madeline]

Very nice debate you two.
Two of the points I disagree with the Libertarians are abortion and assisted suicide, drug usage is another, but I realize that is doesn't matter which law is in effect at any given time. In the end, it is a choice between you and your conscience (you Maker as far as I am concerned).
Now carry on...lot's to learn.;)
Who knows, it might be the Libertarians who will bring us back on course.

[Mediocrates]

That's the disconnect between national and local issues. It's a noble thing to talk infinite individual rights and near anarchy at the national level but the cops are local, the prisons are local, the crackheads are local, the drunken wife stabbing losers are local, the AA and NA meetings are local.

[Y. Shulamith]

I blame the Republican Party for running such a lousy Presidential Campaign, that it has allowed a socialist, incompetent, reckless government that will serious damage America for decades to come. The future does not look very good for America, nor for the rest of the free world.


Dang! You can write that down and I'll sign it. That was the sorriest excuse for a campaign and a candidate I ever saw...and I seen all of them back to Ike. McCain made Carter (who I view as the supreme example of a wimp) look like a masterful man. Man, did I ever like Palin though.....I'm really in like with that lady! I don't want Obama to fall right through his boxer shorts, cause if he does, it's bad for America, but I can't see lots of positives in his program. He's robbing the rich to buy votes from the poor like crazy....but what does he do when that cow runs dry?...and it will. He's creating temporary jobs, not creating industry. Have you looked at the list of "projects"? Road improvements and maintenance works.....what does that do for building industry? His "handlers" need to update their economic package priorties, he (Obama) ain't got the smarts for it. He's way out of his depth.[/QUOTE]


You don't give a ding-dang about Palin...it's what in your pants that has you get the hots for Palin.....:rofl:

[Madeline]

Dang! You can write that down and I'll sign it. That was the sorriest excuse for a campaign and a candidate I ever saw...and I seen all of them back to Ike. McCain made Carter (who I view as the supreme example of a wimp) look like a masterful man. Man, did I ever like Palin though.....I'm really in like with that lady! I don't want Obama to fall right through his boxer shorts, cause if he does, it's bad for America, but I can't see lots of positives in his program. He's robbing the rich to buy votes from the poor like crazy....but what does he do when that cow runs dry?...and it will. He's creating temporary jobs, not creating industry. Have you looked at the list of "projects"? Road improvements and maintenance works.....what does that do for building industry? His "handlers" need to update their economic package priorties, he (Obama) ain't got the smarts for it. He's way out of his depth.


You don't give a ding-dang about Palin...it's what in your pants that has you get the hots for Palin.....:rofl:[/QUOTE]

I could have bet you'd respond like that. Pssssst, typical.;)

[Y. Shulamith]

You don't give a ding-dang about Palin...it's what in your pants that has you get the hots for Palin.....:rofl:

I could have bet you'd respond like that. Pssssst, typical.;)[/QUOTE]

;)Men....Madeline...you knows where they's brains is, eh? ;):D

[Mediocrates]

I don't get it with you folk. If the GOP ran candidates who weren't morons, hacks and zealots, people would vote for them. Don't blame the guy who won for your screwup.

[bararallu]

;)Men....Madeline...you knows where they's brains is, eh?

In the garage with our tools, cars, and weapons !!!!

[Madeline]

I don't get it with you folk. If the GOP ran candidates who weren't morons, hacks and zealots, people would vote for them. Don't blame the guy who won for your screwup.

Actually, if you go back a few posts, we are saying exactly that.
But...and you knew it was coming..just because we had a loser to vote for, doesn't make the other one smart, or competent.
Having voted against Obama doesn't mean you voted for someone...sadly true.

[Madeline]

In the garage with our tools, cars, and weapons !!!!

:stick:Don't mention weapons around here..the Canadians don't like them.:rolleyes:

[bararallu]

:stick:Don't mention weapons around here..the Canadians don't like them.:rolleyes:

I was talking about my prodigious collection Kalahari blowguns of course :p

[Y. Shulamith]

I don't get it with you folk. If the GOP ran candidates who weren't morons, hacks and zealots, people would vote for them. Don't blame the guy who won for your screwup.




:clap::clap:

Yes, they did!!

[bararallu]

Pelosi, Barney Frank, etc, of course are the epitome of foresight and socio-economic enlightenment. :cool:

[Y. Shulamith]

Pelosi, Barney Frank, etc, of course are the epitome of foresight and socio-economic enlightenment. :cool:

Beats the opposition....in fact....and yes, apparently.....geniuses on the other side of the aisle haven't handed down anything exemplary, and in fact, are behaving like a bunch of two-year olds that had their toys taken from them...:)

[Madeline]

Beats the opposition....in fact....and yes, apparently.....geniuses on the other side of the aisle haven't handed down anything exemplary, and in fact, are behaving like a bunch of two-year olds that had their toys taken from them...:)

Hey, we learned from the best. Remember election 2000, and then again in 2004? Whaaaa, I 'll leave the Country...whaaaa, I can't live here anymore..careful what you say, most of it is coming right back at you.
Now, let's give the left some time before we start yelling moron. It is yet to be decided who should rightfully carry that title...unless they outlaw it as a racist remark.:scratch:;)

[Y. Shulamith]

Given what the Dem's accomplished together this past month, the difference between the Dem and Repub leaders couldn't be any clearer.

As President Obama noted yesterday, we've done more to advance health care coverage in this last month than we have in the last decade.

As a result of expanding SCHIP, 11 million children are now guaranteed health care. Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, we've made unprecedented investments in health care, education, renewable energy, and transportation.

That Recovery plan will also create or save 3.5 million jobs and jump-start our economy through projects that will repair America's crumbling infrastructure.

That's a far cry from what Republicans leaders have been up to.

Nearly every Republican in Congress voted against the Recovery plan. And yesterday, after doing the right thing and denouncing Limbaugh's comments, the chairman of the Republican National Committee called Limbaugh to apologize.

Following Rush Limbaugh and the failed attack politics of the past -- as Republicans are doing -- is not the kind of leadership that's going to get America back on a path to strength and prosperity. So it's going to be up to us to lead the way.

[Tonto]

Beats the opposition....in fact....and yes, apparently.....geniuses on the other side of the aisle haven't handed down anything exemplary, and in fact, are behaving like a bunch of two-year olds that had their toys taken from them...:)

Hey dude! I had to listen to the whining and the crying from the dems for 8 years, along with the cheapest shots and BS lies I ever heard. My turn now, so deal with it!:stick: Hopefully the country will come to it's senses and roll the dems out of congress in 2 years and run "The One" out of the White House in 2012. Keep in mind I still really do want to be Sarah Palin's intern!:lol:

[Y. Shulamith]

Hey dude! I had to listen to the whining and the crying from the dems for 8 years, along with the cheapest shots and BS lies I ever heard. My turn now, so deal with it!:stick: Hopefully the country will come to it's senses and roll the dems out of congress in 2 years and run "The One" out of the White House in 2012. Keep in mind I still really do want to be Sarah Palin's intern!:lol:


I've got a better chance of needing an intern than the moose-chili-eater!!

:lol:;)

[bararallu]

Beats the opposition....in fact....and yes, apparently.....geniuses on the other side of the aisle haven't handed down anything exemplary, and in fact, are behaving like a bunch of two-year olds that had their toys taken from them...:)

Well if it's any consolation, both sides of the aisle suck pretty bad IMHO. I dont care for the Republican oversight of my bedroom nor the Democratic oversight of my wallet. And since I'm an Israeli hawk I don't care to see either Rice or Pelosi in some Arab shmatah cow towing to some petty dictator. Nor did I see Bush do anything terrific for the economy (or science.. the innovative edge that this country depends it's future on), and even less in the provisioning of loans (by both parties, but enabled primarily by Frank) to people *who have no shot at paying them back*. Sorry for the tirade... that busted opossum vision came back to mind in the other thread.

[Madeline]

I've got a better chance of needing an intern than the moose-chili-eater!!

:lol:;)
What's wrong with Moose anything? Best food I eve had...and yes, I can field dress one too.

[Y. Shulamith]

Well if it's any consolation, both sides of the aisle suck pretty bad IMHO. I dont care for the Republican oversight of my bedroom nor the Democratic oversight of my wallet. And since I'm an Israeli hawk I don't care to see either Rice or Pelosi in some Arab shmatah cow towing to some petty dictator. Nor did I see Bush do anything terrific for the economy (or science.. the innovative edge that this country depends it's future on), and even less in the provisioning of loans (by both parties, but enabled primarily by Frank) to people *who have no shot at paying them back*. Sorry for the tirade... that busted opossum vision came back to mind in the other thread.

I hear ya!! I'm in a schmatah as we speak. Both parties seem to have their hands in our wallets equally and unequivocally; only what they spend it on is different, but they are both spending us into bankruptcy and we will probably be right next to the Soviet Union, before long, if we aren't there already!

[Y. Shulamith]

What's wrong with Moose anything? Best food I eve had...and yes, I can field dress one too.

Aww.....moose are cute, but then so is livestock, big eyes and ever'y thang....I'm such a bleeding heart.

[bararallu]

I hear ya!! I'm in a schmatah as we speak.

As long as it's a Jewish shmatah, I'm all for it!


we will probably be right next to the Soviet Union, before long, if we aren't there already!


Please dont say that ! I had enough of that dump. If I see any pink concrete going up (thats Krushchevs special style), I'm taking the red eye that day back to Tel Aviv.

[Y. Shulamith]

As long as it's a Jewish shmatah, I'm all for it!



Please dont say that ! I had enough of that dump. If I see any pink concrete going up (thats Krushchevs special style), I'm taking the red eye that day back to Tel Aviv.


Hummm.........I'm gonna keep my eye out for pink concrete, too, I hear-tell that the SU truly is/was a dump!

I gotta Jones, New York on, so it's definitely a Jewish Shmatah!!!:lol:

[Madeline]

This is going on right now while we are contemplating how much BHO's steaks cost per pound.


Mystery terrorist in NYC plot deported to Sudan
NEW YORK – A recently released Black September terrorist convicted of placing three powerful car bombs in New York City in 1973 has been deported to Sudan, an African nation that once sheltered Osama bin Laden and other terrorists.

Khalid Al-Jawary, 63, was flown out of Denver International Airport on Thursday and arrived Tuesday in Khartoum, said Carl Rusnok, a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/03/nsa_cyber_defense/
I’m sure that Sudan will care for him compassionately, with appropriate sensitivity for his basic human rights.
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NSA gains support for cyber security role - DHS not up to the task
The United States' top intelligence official argued last week that the National Security Agency should become the nation's cyber defender, adding his voice to the growing murmur of support for the agency's future role in cyberspace.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.md.spybook04mar04,0,6657281.story?track=rss
Surprise! another task beyond the capability of DHS.
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NSA joining social network for intelligence analysts
The super-secret National Security Agency, traditionally reluctant to share its code-breaking secrets, is joining a new, highly classified social network that links its analysts for the first time with thousands of colleagues at other U.S. intelligence agencies.

Gone are what used to be those rock-solid paradigms of intelligence: providing information only to those who need to know and limiting access to locked, specialized "compartments." Read the rest►
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/bal-te.md.spybook04mar04,0,6657281.story?track=rss
Call me reactionary, but I don't think this bodes well for the intel community.
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Justice Dept. may air more terror memos
WASHINGTON, March 3 (UPI) -- The U.S. Justice Department said Tuesday it may soon release more documents on the Bush administration's war against terror.

Among those documents are some believed to authorize the process of "waterboarding," using water to convince prisoners they are about to drown, The Washington Post said. Read the rest►
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/03/Justice_Dept_may_air_more_terror_memos/UPI-92871236116798/
Ah, that clever Obama... performing two tasks with a single sleight of hand. He denigrates the policies that helped GWB keep us safe for 7 years, while simultaneously reducing his own abilty to do the same. The man is a self-destructive fool!!
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FBI Watching Somali Muslims In Minneapolis
20 From Same Mosque Have Repatriated, One Became A Suicide Bomber; Mosque Officials Deny Radical Agenda
On election night last November, the outcome was wildly celebrated by Somalis living in Minneapolis, 70,000-strong, mostly refugees from their war-torn country. It is the largest Somali community in the United States, reports CBS News correspondent Dean Reynolds.

But the evening was noteworthy for something else, too. That night, the latest in a line of young Somalis who grew up here, departed unannounced for Somalia itself, joining a civil war in a country few had ever seen and causing concern in the United States. Read the rest►
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/03/eveningnews/main4841761.shtml
Ah, well... if the Imam says there is no radical teaching in the Mosque, it must be true! I imagine that all these gentle folk are just on vacation... or a spiritual odyssey.

Just can't wait 'til we bring in some more Iraqis... and some of those Palestinians!
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Experts: D.C. ‘fertile ground’ for financing of terrorism
Dr. Nagaratnam Ranjithan has spent decades building a thriving medical practice in Maryland as a kidney specialist.

Federal authorities say he has also helped finance Asian death squads.

Two weeks ago, the U.S. Treasury Department froze the assets of Ranjithan’s Tamil Foundation, alleging that the money he has raised for Sri Lanka has actually gone to help the Tamil Tigers, a group that the State Department says is a terrorist organization. The Tigers have been blamed for thousands of civilian deaths. Read the rest►
http://www.dcexaminer.com/local/40578482.html
This man will be retired and living well on the riviera before his case - if there ever is one - winds it say through the U.S. courts!

[Tonto]

Madeline, Hold on to your hat cause the Obamanation has only just begun! Looks like we're going to have a lesser majority of dumbocraps in Congress in 2 years and Big "O" is going to be a 1 termer.....maybe there's hope for change after all. And I hope that it also means the GOP has learned a valuable lesson here.

[Madeline]

Madeline, Hold on to your hat cause the Obamanation has only just begun! Looks like we're going to have a lesser majority of dumbocraps in Congress in 2 years and Big "O" is going to be a 1 termer.....maybe there's hope for change after all. And I hope that it also means the GOP has learned a valuable lesson here.
If we make it past 4 years, God help us all.
People are still debating his brith certificate or obsess about what the Fema Camps are all about, while we are being targeted from everywhere.
Problem is, our 'fearless leader' won't have a clue what to do.

[Tonto]

If we make it past 4 years, God help us all.
People are still debating his brith certificate or obsess about what the Fema Camps are all about, while we are being targeted from everywhere.
Problem is, our 'fearless leader' won't have a clue what to do.

Our #1Clown walked into the job like a 10 year old into a lion cage.....and too dumb to know what is about to happen to him. Well, they wanted him, they got him and they can live with that....too bad we all do too, whether we like it or not.:tdown:

[Y. Shulamith]

Know what....all you glad-handing "Jewish-Republicans" are just like the Jews in Germany who didn't see Shitler coming because they felt that they were Germans and fit right into German society and as such were just like their non-Jewish German compatriots, and fought in WWI and had medals from WWI and thought that they were citizens that were accepted in every way by the Germans.

Guess what? They were fooling themselves in post-Weimar Germany, and just like the Republican Party, they are succeeding in fooling you. They want you around for their post-rapture party, but in actuality don't give a horse's patooties about Jews, Israel or anything like that. Israel is a means to an end.....a way to the rapture-party with Jewish blood.

Get real about Limbaugh and the Republicans. They don't really like you, don't want you at their country clubs and are using you as an instrument of their deceptive and dupicitious ways.

I hate to be a party-pooper, but there it is for you on a silver platter and don't say that you weren't warned.

[Yala]

:rofl: Shulamith! In the meantime you voted for someone who went to an anti-Semitic church for 20 years, whose pastor blamed 9/11 on Israel! If the Republican leaders hate the Jews so much, at least they aren't so blatant about it like their Democratic counterparts.

I know a small group of Jewish people who voted for Obama and are now saying they are shocked at the way he and Hilary are treating Israel. Talk about sticking your head in the sand! By the way the 75% of Jews who "supposedly" voted for Obama is a lie and every Jew knows it. You are kvelling because he put on a kippah and stood in front of the Kotel. Please. Take a look at any of his associates and there is a trail of anti-Israel advisors a mile long. Typical ostrich mentality. You, like the ADL, are still focused on extreme right-wing anti-Semitism and are completely blind to the tornado coming from the mainstream left, of which you consider yourself a member.

In the meantime Shulamith keep making excuses when we mention how Obama and Hillary are giving 1 billion to the Palestinians, calling it chump change when we are in the middle of an economic crisis. At least we used to criticize Condoleeza Rice on here when we felt she was being anti-Israel. You are so partisan you can't even bring yourself to admit the trouble Obama is about to cause for Israel.

[Madeline]

Know what....all you glad-handing "Jewish-Republicans" are just like the Jews in Germany who didn't see Shitler coming because they felt that they were Germans and fit right into German society and as such were just like their non-Jewish German compatriots, and fought in WWI and had medals from WWI and thought that they were citizens that were accepted in every way by the Germans.

Guess what? They were fooling themselves in post-Weimar Germany, and just like the Republican Party, they are succeeding in fooling you. They want you around for their post-rapture party, but in actuality don't give a horse's patooties about Jews, Israel or anything like that. Israel is a means to an end.....a way to the rapture-party with Jewish blood.

Get real about Limbaugh and the Republicans. They don't really like you, don't want you at their country clubs and are using you as an instrument of their deceptive and dupicitious ways.


I hate to be a party-pooper, but there it is for you on a silver platter and don't say that you weren't warned.
Not only do we see 'Shitler' coming, and you refuse to, the similarities to the one in the WH are uncanny. Oh, but you can compare, and I can not, right?
BHO is giving to HAMAS, not Israel. Trying to distract us with Rush from the real issues is what one expects not only from the WH, but from those who have been duped by its occupants.
Once you realize what is really going on my friend, feel free to admit it. I promise I won't say 'I told you so'.

[Yala]

There is no difference between David Axelrod, James Carville, "Rahmbo" Emanuel & Karl Rove.


Mr. Emanuel highlighted Mr. Limbaugh's comments that he wants the Obama administration's economic policies to fail.

Politico reported later in the week that Mr. Emanuel consorted with top Democratic operatives, including regular CNN contributors James Carville and Paul Begala, to try to make the flamboyant radio personality the face of the Republican Party.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/05/feeding-the-beast-on-rush-attacks/

Looks like Shulamith bought it and is already using it as one of her talking points. How original.

[Mediocrates]

He's your dog, you housebreak him. Everyone in the GOP has to creep to the foot of Mt Rush and kiss his pinky ring or suffer the wrath. If he had any balls he'd run for office, any office and he'd probably win. He can afford to be a public servant for a few years. But he won't because he's a blowhard and a coward. So again, if you don't like the monsters you created, burn down the windmill.

[Y. Shulamith]

This is a ProIsrael forum..... notice how our non-Jewish Republican friends are trying so hard to hijack the forum and turn it into a ProRepublican forum and try to use every smear and fearmongering to harbor ill will for our President. How novel of them, how sinister and how devious.

72% of the Jewish population voted for Obama and that speaks volumes for where the Jewish Constituency lays.

Limtard is a demagogering blowhard......and it would be just LIKE voting for the Rev. Wright for public office, or Louis Farrakan perhaps, if Limtard grew the balls to run for office, but his drug addled Oxycontin brain couldn't even begin to do anything more than what his current occupation demands, of which, is absolutely nothing more than bigoted blustering and shameful backhanded and simpering fearmongering. He is a disgrace to free speech, not a celebration of it.

[maven]

I hear ya!! I'm in a schmatah as we speak. Both parties seem to have their hands in our wallets equally and unequivocally; only what they spend it on is different, but they are both spending us into bankruptcy and we will probably be right next to the Soviet Union, before long, if we aren't there already!I don't know what's Shmatah with the country anymore! :unsure:

[Madeline]

"This is a ProIsrael forum..... notice how our non-Jewish Republican friends are trying so hard to hijack the forum and turn it into a ProRepublican forum and try to use every smear and fearmongering to harbor ill will for our President. How novel of them, how sinister and how devious.

72% of the Jewish population voted for Obama and that speaks volumes for where the Jewish Constituency lays."


This is your way of refocusing the discussion if you don't have nothing else to throw out at us anymore. Told ya, I am not a Republican.
Besides it being in the US Politics segment, the title of this thread has been about Obama, not Israel...even though the one who is against Israel seems to be your so admired leader...see giving aid to Hamas (and look it up at a source of your choice, since you probably don't believe my sources)
Instead of opening your eyes to the truth, you mud sling.
Your distracting from the title of this thread is not novel, but very deviant indeed my friend. Told ya several times, one can be pro Israel, yet see the writing on the wall.

Now, since you seem to be so informed about what your admired leader and his Sec of State are doing, please let me in on the pro Israel side of it as you seem to see it.
Making concessions to Palestine, and giving Hamas Mils of $ seems to be what you like then, yes?

[Madeline]

He's your dog, you housebreak him. Everyone in the GOP has to creep to the foot of Mt Rush and kiss his pinky ring or suffer the wrath. If he had any balls he'd run for office, any office and he'd probably win. He can afford to be a public servant for a few years. But he won't because he's a blowhard and a coward. So again, if you don't like the monsters you created, burn down the windmill.

Don't want to housebreak him, like him just the way he is, down to earth truthful, honest, without listening to leftist PC.
Rush says is as it is...truth hurts, I know, and he is a convenient way to refocus our attention from the mess BHO got us in.
Lowest numbers on Wallstreet since 1997(look it up at your convenience)...I wonder who was in office then, getting laid and such?
It is time we quit pussyfooting around and call it what it is..a Marxists way of gaining complete control of our Country.. you know...the beacon of hope for millions, which under a capitalist system grew into a superpower faster than any other Counntry imaginable and in existence for far longer. Think about that while you sit in awe of BHO.

[Tonto]

Facts will never affect the libtard idea of what the truth should be. Now there's a real fact for ya!

[Madeline]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123604419092515347.html

How long can "progressives" feed at the trough when there is no more capital to fill the trough?

Do progressives actually think that the unemployed will give jobs to other unemployed?

Do progressives think that the unproductive will create wealth and benefits?

Do progressives think that anything can be achieved without capital?

Do they understand that capitalism has given most of the people most of the time for the longest period of time the highest quality of life known to man?

Do they understand that capital is the ingredient that allows capitalists to make investments to create business, more business, jobs and more jobs that serve business?

Do they think that government can create jobs indefinitely where one government worker serves only other government workers?

Do they understand that government workers have doubled during the past few decades where today there are more of them than workers in private industries?

Has any government worker created wealth and employed others?

Only capitalists and entrepreneurs create business, real employment, real opportunity for growth, real opportunity for workers to become bosses, real opportunity for a poor man to become a rich man.

What is wrong with any of that?
Thank you A

[Tonto]

Ever read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand? How about a "John Galt" type revolt? It could happen. California has already experienced some of that. Revenue generating businesses are moving away from heavy taxation. What happens when they just fold up, go out of business and refuse to start up again? What if businesses just shut down rather then continue in the increasingly hostile business climate? More people talk about the possibility every day. We need a Ronald Reagan, not a OJT like Obama.

[Brody15]

It's frustrating "discussing" an issue with Y. Shulamith. She offers nothing to the conversation other than false accusations and arguments based on false, wishful hopes. She, like many others who have been weaned through American Idol, think that just because her rock-star candidate or party won, that anything these morally and mentally corrupt, less than competent political hacks do, will fix all of the problems of the US. It is childish, naive "thinking", that is so typical of the left.


What has totally become clear to me, now that Bush is gone and Obama is president, it completely makes sense that the same people who hated Bush, love Obama. Who can really think straight when they're in love?

[Mosche]

What has totally become clear to me, now that Bush is gone and Obama is president, it completely makes sense that the same people who hated Bush, love Obama. Who can really think straight when they're in love?

Sorry! I hated Bush, and I don't like Obama--voted for Mccain! I am a proud Libertarian--there is way too much government for my liking! Republicans criticize Democrats for their "wasteful spending," but they ignore the fact that Bush's spending was the highest in history!

Obama, similarly, acts as though it is his destiny to outspend Bush! What happened to the idea of "paying for what you buy, when YOU BUY IT!"?

Repulicans cry "small government"; yet, they also want to butt into peoples' bedrooms. Gimme a break--you can't have small government and, at the same time, legislate morality!

Democrats decry talk-radio, but they continually do guest appearances on the shows where they kiss-up to the hosts.

Alas, I give up!

[Madeline]

Ever read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand? How about a "John Galt" type revolt? It could happen. California has already experienced some of that. Revenue generating businesses are moving away from heavy taxation. What happens when they just fold up, go out of business and refuse to start up again? What if businesses just shut down rather then continue in the increasingly hostile business climate? More people talk about the possibility every day. We need a Ronald Reagan, not a OJT like Obama.

Be careful, or will be seen as an anti-jewish Rebublican...
California could help herself by getting their heads out of their be...ds and start thinking that being liberal, selectively tolerant, and illegal embracing isn't going to work, esp. while sitting around drinking Latte.
Once BHO legalizes all illegals, they will find out fast that those who "do the work others won't" (one of GWB's many negatives), they won't do the work either, but will follow the example of other entitlement junkies (if they haven't already).
Well, you may not like Rush, but what he says makes perfect sense to those who want listen.
NYC...Mayor Bloomberg won't increase taxes on the evil rich, because he is afraid that the 40, 000 evil rich people would leave the City, and quit footing the bill for the rest of the 8 Mils.
Other part of the world, Ireland. Evil rich people... you know, those who employ others while those waiting for hand-outs are not...flock into Ireland to benefit from the low tax rate, bringing with them jobs for those who wish to work.
Guess what, those who employ, and those who work because the evil rich employ, are certainly willing to drag along those who can't or won't.
If you stick it tot the rich, the rich won't employ, if none are employed, everyone suffers. And those who can't and won't work are still sitting there with nothing.
Hey, what do I know...I am just a Country hick, but this is my Economics 101.
Like it or not, I just don't care.

[Madeline]

Sorry! I hated Bush, and I don't like Obama--voted for Mccain! I am a proud Libertarian--there is way too much government for my liking! Republicans criticize Democrats for their "wasteful spending," but they ignore the fact that Bush's spending was the highest in history!

Obama, similarly, acts as though it is his destiny to outspend Bush! What happened to the idea of "paying for what you buy, when YOU BUY IT!"?

Repulicans cry "small government"; yet, they also want to butt into peoples' bedrooms. Gimme a break--you can't have small government and, at the same time, legislate morality!

Democrats decry talk-radio, but they continually do guest appearances on the shows where they kiss-up to the hosts.

Alas, I give up!
I am Heinz 57, haven't found a Party I want to endorse. You are spot on in your assessment.
Mosche, time for another party. You bring the beer....

[Tonto]

Oh boy! Another party!!! I picked a heck of a time to go on a diet!

[Y. Shulamith]

Prescott Bush, Bush II's grandfather made his fortune money-laundering for Shitler and the Nazi party during the 1930's. Please do your history and then think of who the friends are of the Jews. It isn't the Republican party and it sure wasn't the Bushes, whose constituency is still the country-club set of the anglo-saxon white American, red blooded male.

The Republicans make stooges out of minorities and steal their votes. They don't give a damn about the middle class, nor any minority at all, including and no more or less than the Jews. They want to make MONEY and they don't much care who is destroyed or what is taken away from the rest of the people of the USA.

Go ahead, google Prescott Bush and learn a thing or two.

[Y. Shulamith]

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html

[Y. Shulamith]

Some of the wit and wisdom of Herbert Hoover, President of the USA when the stock market crashed during the great depression:

Quotes

"True American Liberalism utterly denies the whole creed of socialism." [8]
"A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage" - Presidential Campaign Slogan 1928

"I outlived the bastards" - answer to a question of how he managed to survive the long ostracism under the Roosevelt administration. (Hoover also outlived every member of his own Cabinet, as well as the Harding and Coolidge Cabinets).

"Once upon a time my political opponents honored me as possessing the fabulous intellectual and economic power by which I created a worldwide depression all by myself."

"Older men declare war. But it is the youth that must fight and die."

"There are only two occasions when Americans respect privacy, especially in Presidents. Those are prayer and fishing."

"Wisdom oft times consists of knowing what to do next"

"Democracy is a harsh employer." - Comment to a former secretary in 1936.

"The only trouble with capitalism is capitalists - they are too damn greedy."

[Mosche]

Prescott Bush, Bush II's grandfather made his fortune money-laundering for Shitler and the Nazi party during the 1930's. Please do your history and then think of who the friends are of the Jews. It isn't the Republican party and it sure wasn't the Bushes, whose constituency is still the country-club set of the anglo-saxon white American, red blooded male.

The Republicans make stooges out of minorities and steal their votes. They don't give a damn about the middle class, nor any minority at all, including and no more or less than the Jews. They want to make MONEY and they don't much care who is destroyed or what is taken away from the rest of the people of the USA.

Go ahead, google Prescott Bush and learn a thing or two.

I think that you make a good point; however, there are many in the Democratic party who are more pro-Gaza than pro-Israel! Again, The problem is that BOTH parties are full of poo poo!

[Mosche]

I am Heinz 57, haven't found a Party I want to endorse. You are spot on in your assessment.
Mosche, time for another party. You bring the beer....

I got the beer! We may have to spike the punch to get Y. on board!;)

[Yala]

This is a ProIsrael forum..... notice how our non-Jewish Republican friends are trying so hard to hijack the forum and turn it into a ProRepublican forum and try to use every smear and fearmongering to harbor ill will for our President. How novel of them, how sinister and how devious.

Sorry to break your heart Y Shulamith but most of the Jews on this forum are independent or Republican. You're in the minority here dear. Maybe you'd be better off someplace like Huffington Post, the #1 Democrat blog, where they bash Israel all day and night but vehemently deny that they are anti-Semitic in every post before going off on their tirades. It reminds me of the old "some of my best friends are black but..."


72% of the Jewish population voted for Obama and that speaks volumes for where the Jewish Constituency lays.

It's a lie and we all know it.


Limtard is a demagogering blowhard......

He is a blowhard but why do you care? He's just a talk show host. Why are you so afraid of him?


it would be just LIKE voting for the Rev. Wright

The only difference is Rush Limbaugh did not marry Bush and Laura nor McCain and Cindy, but Wright did marry Obamessiah to Michelle.

[Yala]

He's your dog, you housebreak him. Everyone in the GOP has to creep to the foot of Mt Rush and kiss his pinky ring or suffer the wrath. If he had any balls he'd run for office, any office and he'd probably win. He can afford to be a public servant for a few years. But he won't because he's a blowhard and a coward. So again, if you don't like the monsters you created, burn down the windmill.

At least they didn't have him moderating debates as if he was some neutral party like the left did with Olbermann and Matthews. I don't like Rush but I give him credit for not pretending to be neutral like 99% of the hosts on CNN and MSNBC*, who obviously have I <3 Obama posters hung up at home. What about George Stephanopolous who is advising Obama while hosting a Meet The Press rip-off over at ABC? How absurd.

When the "mainstream" media and gov't are in cahoots we clearly have a problem here. Which journalist would dare call out Obama? That's why you guys are terrified of someone like Rush.


*Everyone calls out Fox for being pro-Republican, and they are, but independent polls have found them more neutral than CNN and MSNBC, specifically as it related to campaign coverage.

[Madeline]

At least they didn't have him moderating debates as if he was some neutral party like the left did with Olbermann and Matthews. I don't like Rush but I give him credit for not pretending to be neutral like 99% of the hosts on CNN and MSNBC*, who obviously have I <3 Obama posters hung up at home. What about George Stephanopolous who is advising Obama while hosting a Meet The Press rip-off over at ABC? How absurd.

When the "mainstream" media and gov't are in cahoots we clearly have a problem here. Which journalist would dare call out Obama? That's why you guys are terrified of someone like Rush.


*Everyone calls out Fox for being pro-Republican, and they are, but independent polls have found them more neutral than CNN and MSNBC, specifically as it related to campaign coverage.

Bravo on all your posts. Well said.

[Yala]

Bravo on all your posts. Well said.

Thanks Madeline, yours weren't too bad either ;)

[Madeline]

UN may make ban on criticizing Islam mandatory, making it a criminal offense in the U.S. Me thinks BHO won't stop them.


link (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025110.php)


This, my friends, will get much worse under the current administration. Thus far it was a thread that could be ignored, but with a Muslim sympathizer in the WH, and a Congress that rather bows to evil than to the truth, we will see more of this coming. It just started by not calling terrorist what they are anymore.

[Y. Shulamith]

Keep your friends close to your heart and your enemies even closer.

I am Pro-Israel but I would never ally myself with losers and dregs of society that the Repubs have come to prepresent and lie with the lowest forms of bigots, zealots and morons.

How about having yourself visit a foaming at the mouth Pro-Repub blog agenda....YOU might find that more comforting and being with like-minded people. Hardly anyone is so vociferiously antagonistic to the Dems and entangling Jews into the stew-pot as much as you are desirous of accomplishing......You don't speak for American Jews anymore than Limtard does. The majority of Jews take the view that Limtard is nothing more than a low-grade moron bigot. Jews are smarter than going for his Oxycontined brain addled drivel. Limtard has absolutely not a scintilla of an educated discussion of anything at all. Just fearmongering, bigotry and hatred.......so much for "blessed are the peacemakers", eh Yala...you and Maddy make a good pair, keep trying to change my mind but don't despair.

You have a better chance of getting hit by lightening on New Year's Eve, than of me jumping fence to agree with you on your opinions.

Let's agree to disagree.

[Madeline]

Keep your friends close to your heart and your enemies even closer.

I am Pro-Israel but I would never ally myself with losers and dregs of society that the Repubs have come to prepresent and lie with the lowest forms of bigots, zealots and morons.

How about having yourself visit a foaming at the mouth Pro-Repub blog agenda....YOU might find that more comforting and being with like-minded people. Hardly anyone is so vociferiously antagonistic to the Dems and entangling Jews into the stew-pot as much as you are desirous of accomplishing......You don't speak for American Jews anymore than Limtard does. The majority of Jews take the view that Limtard is nothing more than a low-grade moron bigot. Jews are smarter than going for his Oxycontined brain addled drivel. Limtard has absolutely not a scintilla of an educated discussion of anything at all. Just fearmongering, bigotry and hatred.......so much for "blessed are the peacemakers", eh Yala...you and Maddy make a good pair, keep trying to change my mind but don't despair.

You have a better chance of getting hit by lightening on New Year's Eve, than of me jumping fence to agree with you on your opinions.

Let's agree to disagree.

Of course this being your opinion, and as far from the truth as possible. You have some great opinions at times, esp when you get your head out of the sand...what a waste.

[Tonto]

Keep your friends close to your heart and your enemies even closer.

I am Pro-Israel but I would never ally myself with losers and dregs of society that the Repubs have come to prepresent and lie with the lowest forms of bigots, zealots and morons.

How about having yourself visit a foaming at the mouth Pro-Repub blog agenda....YOU might find that more comforting and being with like-minded people. Hardly anyone is so vociferiously antagonistic to the Dems and entangling Jews into the stew-pot as much as you are desirous of accomplishing......You don't speak for American Jews anymore than Limtard does. The majority of Jews take the view that Limtard is nothing more than a low-grade moron bigot. Jews are smarter than going for his Oxycontined brain addled drivel. Limtard has absolutely not a scintilla of an educated discussion of anything at all. Just fearmongering, bigotry and hatred.......so much for "blessed are the peacemakers", eh Yala...you and Maddy make a good pair, keep trying to change my mind but don't despair.

You have a better chance of getting hit by lightening on New Year's Eve, than of me jumping fence to agree with you on your opinions.

Let's agree to disagree.

Dang that's harsh! I take exception to being called "dregs of society" especially a society that has been crippled by liberal democrats starting with Carter, through Clinton, Barney Franks and company and into that idiot in the WH right now who's playing with toys he has no idea how to use. I'd chill if I was you. I think you done stepped off the deep end.

[Madeline]

Dang that's harsh! I take exception to being called "dregs of society" especially a society that has been crippled by liberal democrats starting with Carter, through Clinton, Barney Franks and company and into that idiot in the WH right now who's playing with toys he has no idea how to use. I'd chill if I was you. I think you done stepped off the deep end.

The Bush derangement syndrome seems to be a chronic condition.

[maven]

The Bush derangement syndrome seems to be a chronic condition.Dangerous enough to destroy America.

Gradually as the US support for Israel becomes undone by liberals rising up through the Obama administrations ranks, people including Jews who spat on George W. Bush will come to realize that he was a rock of strenght against America's and Israel's enemies.

I never worried about Israel for a moment until the moment Bush left the Oval Office. Now I feel the sands of time are shifting against us. :unsure:

[Mosche]

I thought we were about to have a party!?

[Tonto]

Dangerous enough to destroy America.

Gradually as the US support for Israel becomes undone by liberals rising up through the Obama administrations ranks, people including Jews who spat on George W. Bush will come to realize that he was a rock of strenght against America's and Israel's enemies.

I never worried about Israel for a moment until the moment Bush left the Oval Office. Now I feel the sands of time are shifting against us. :unsure:

Dang, sounds like you got somethin' workin' between them ears. Me, you and Madelene best think about circling the wagons....

[Madeline]

Dangerous enough to destroy America.

Gradually as the US support for Israel becomes undone by liberals rising up through the Obama administrations ranks, people including Jews who spat on George W. Bush will come to realize that he was a rock of strenght against America's and Israel's enemies.

I never worried about Israel for a moment until the moment Bush left the Oval Office. Now I feel the sands of time are shifting against us. :unsure:

Thank you. Yes GWB has many many faults, but one has to realize the good that he has done. I am trying to be objective, fair to ALL, not just some Party.
History will tell the truth, if it is recorded objectively.

[Madeline]

I thought we were about to have a party!?

I love everyone, and Party it is. Y can bring the wine.;)
One has to distinguish between a good debate and a good Party:cool:

[Y. Shulamith]

Jeez, if Bush and the Republicans are/were such good friends of the Jews and Israel, why no balls to pardon Jonathan Pollard?

What the hell are good friends for, if not for that????:scratch:

[Madeline]

Jeez, if Bush and the Republicans are/were such good friends of the Jews and Israel, why no balls to pardon Jonathan Pollard?

What the hell are good friends for, if not for that????:scratch:
Here is the more important question:
are ye coming to the party still?:scratch:

[Tonto]

Jeez, if Bush and the Republicans are/were such good friends of the Jews and Israel, why no balls to pardon Jonathan Pollard?

What the hell are good friends for, if not for that????:scratch:


Because Johnathon Pollard was spying....it doesn't matter for who. He's lucky. There were a couple (literally) executed for the same offense. Now he's got Bubba to keep him warm at night and maybe the next spy will think twice, or three times. And don't tell me that in either case they did it out of human concern....all were in it for the money. By the way, they were all libs and democrats. Let me give you my lecture about the "copperheads" and why I thought the Obama/Lincoln love fest the MSM was putting out was so funny some time.

[Madeline]

August 15, 2005, began as a day of infamy. It ushered in a great tribulation for the Jewish state, but one forced upon it by its very own Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon.

It began one day after the annual commemoration of the saddest day in the Jewish calendar, Tisha B' Av, the ninth day of the Hebrew month of Av when, according to tradition, both Temples in Jerusalem were destroyed; the first one by the Babylonians in 586 BC and the second by the Romans in 70 AD.

On that August day, the Jews of Gaza began to be driven from their homes by Israeli soldiers and police acting on the orders of their Prime Minister. The tragedy ended one week later, known now by its euphemism -- disengagement. Its self-imposed execution ushered in a needless catastrophe for Israel and eventually led to the occupation of Gaza by Hamas through an election engineered by Condoleezza Rice.

Hamas thus came to power using a democratic tool and subsequently destroyed its rival, Fatah, in a bloody massacre; the same Hamas, which proclaims its Constitution is the Koran and implacably calls for the destruction of Israel.

Israel woke up to relentless daily barrages of sometimes scores of missiles deliberately aimed at its civilian populations in villages and towns. The little town of Sderot, in particular, became Israel's Stalingrad. Finally, after years of astonishing forbearance and thousands of incoming rockets from Gaza, Israel struck back against a cruel Islamic enemy, which gloried in using its own civilians as human shields. In the years during this Palestinian Arab aggression there were hardly any street protests anywhere.

The 2009 Gaza War, however, allowed pent up hatred of the Jewish state to be used as an excuse for vicious anti-Israel and anti-Jewish demonstrations exploding throughout Europe and the world. The snake pit for much of this venom originates now on College campuses.

After enduring hundreds of years of Christian and Moslem discrimination in exile, Jews felt that with the re-birth of their ancestral homeland, Jewish communities would no longer face the horrors of being dragged from their homes.

Ariel Sharon dealt a blow of seismic proportions to that belief. His rationale was that by disengaging from the Palestinians in Gaza it would grant Israel peace from Arab terror and end the genocidal ambitions of Palestinian Arabs. Nothing could be further from the truth. Instead, Sharon and his deputy, Ehud Olmert, created a roadmap leading to yet more worldwide pressure.

U.S. Ambassador George Mitchell is planning to remain in Jerusalem to do one thing only. By entrapping Netanyahu and Israeli leaders, in order to coerce Israel into giving away its ancestral and biblical lands in Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), he works to create for the first time in history an independent Arab state called Palestine.
more here===>

link (http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/03/if_obama_abandons_israel_what_1.html)

[Mosche]

Here is the more important question:
are ye coming to the party still?:scratch:

Great FOcUS!:clap::clap:

I'm grinning ear to ear!

[Y. Shulamith]

Here is the more important question:
are ye coming to the party still?:scratch:


Hey, I'm as much as a hedonist as anyone else, maybe more..."my personal credo is "living well is life's best revenge" L'chaim and bon appetit!!!:clap:

[Madeline]

Hey, I'm as much as a hedonist as anyone else, maybe more..."my personal credo is "living well is life's best revenge" L'chaim and bon appetit!!!:clap:
So, yer bringing the wine then? Good. Our dear Moshe won't come without I hear. One can disagree but still be civilized, don't you think?