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pagan
12-09-2008, 04:48 AM
http://www.defence.pk/forums/war-terror/17227-whats-evidence.html


By Rais Ahmed Khan

ARTICLE (December 06 2008): The carnage at Mumbai has led to a plethora of wild speculations and biased accusations not based on any plausible reason. The media in India and their counter-parts in the anti-Muslim bloc of global cacophony, led by the Zionist lobbies, have lost no time in blaming Pakistan, without a shred of evidence to prove their allegations.

As this 'crying wolf' has happened zillions of time in the past, we in Pakistan have become so used to hear such noises that it no longer registers any cause for alarm in the public mind, and does not meet more than a cursory glance at the headlines.

However, this time, the events have taken a serious turn, and an armed conflict between the two South Asian nuclear armed neighbours is a distinct possibility if the hot-heads in India and their Israeli instigators have their way. This fact alone, if nothing else, necessitates a deeper scrutiny of the underlying causes of the mishap, and the psychological or gut-reaction of certain warped minds to behave in that particular manner.

Indian fanaticism and Anti-Pakistan venom is old history, and well known. So we need not waste time on that aspect of the problem. What is new, is the Israeli entanglement in the fiasco - a first in Indo-Pakistan tensions.

There is more than meets the eye and the roots go back to earliest days of Islamic era - some would say even earlier, in their view of Semitic history. Sad to say, but it is a fact that Zionism has an in-built aversion to anyone not of their own race or creed - be they Christians, Muslims, or any other race or religion. Their particular ire and antipathy is directed against Muslims of any description.

Palestine is just one manifestation of that deep-rooted enmity, even though a historic fact is that Jews have received the utmost kindness and benevolent treatment in Muslim lands and enjoyed exalted status, in sharp contrast to the treatment meted out to their kinsmen in Christian or other societies, from earliest times to as late as the twentieth century.

And yet the Zionists have vented their spleen upon hapless Muslims and Arabs as a revenge of what they suffered at the hands of Christian Europe! The entire world Jewry (and not only the Zionists) believe Muslims to be their enemy No 1 as an article of faith, without any justification whatsoever. This particular mindset can be seen at work most starkly during the Ottoman Caliphate, and particularly in the late nineteenth and the twentieth centuries.

Their conspiracies and intrigues require volumes to describe, but suffice to say that in 1890s Herzl and his friends conspired to achieve world domination by Jews (excluding some ultra-orthodox Jewish sects, who are religiously opposed to the idea) gradually according to a time table. Later events, to this day, have proved the success of their plans in acquiring political, social, economic and cultural domination around the globe.

Their military conquests were centered in Palestine and its neighbourhood, but their political and economic control of world powers that be, needs no elaboration. To camouflage their intentions they control the media globally, and their political aims are achieved by twisting the arms of all and sundry through their financial control of banks and other institutions with global clout.

They control trade, industry and all primary, secondary and tertiary resources of every description directly or through their surrogates or stooges. Thus they have already achieved their goal of world domination (without any military conquest) to a large degree. All the major banks and multi-national corporations, heavy industries, armament factories, etc-etc are directly or indirectly in the thrall of one Zionist organisation or other.

Even where manifestly there is no Jewish connection, the so-called independent operation is reined in through banks with ultimate Zionist influence. Where all else fails, the cacophony of global media serves to propagate lies and falsehoods to project Zionist's point of view under various camouflages. These are not wild surmises, but facts based on recorded history and commented on by eminent writers in all languages around the world.

However, there is a conspiracy of silence, enforced by the state-terrorism practised by Israel and especially, "Mossad" who intimidate or exterminate any one not following their "diktat". So much so, that the entire world community has come to think and act upon that belief (according to Zionist wishes) in terms of lies and half-truth fed to them by the Zionist-controlled Media.

The suspicion that there may be a Jewish plot behind Mumbai happenings of the past week, is reinforced by the fact that a Jewish Centre in Mumbai was part of the total drama locales, and some Israelis were killed, not by the hostage-takers but BY THEIR RESCUERS.

Before proceeding, I must clarify one point. I have the highest regard for Jewish religion - one of the three great monotheistic Divinely ordained faiths - and for Jews as a highly cultured individuals.

But my plaint is against Zionism a political ideology and collective philosophy of Israelis and their sympathisers elsewhere. This explanation is necessary because any remark not to the liking of Israelis or their supporters is immediately dubbed 'anti-Semitism'.

That itself is a misnomer, since Jews are not the only people in the world who are Semite, Arabs are also of the same racial stock - descendents of Patriarch Abraham (Ibrahim A.S.). I have met many decent and considerate Jewish persons, whose friendship I cherish. So it is not a racial prejudice at all.

Now coming back to the tragic events of Mumbai, some peculiar noises emanated from Israeli circles, that give credence to my belief that the whole episode was a drama staged by Mossad and their cohorts, to incite a conflict between India and Pakistan. Their avowed purpose has been, and continues to be, to get a chance to hit the nuclear arsenal of Pakistan - a repeat of Iraq's OSIRAK.

Without going into particulars, it will be noted that such shenanigans are not beyond the Mossad or Israelis - one of their greatest feats in recent living memory has been the episode of 9/11, which still grips the human mind.

There were well-documented reports - officially suppressed - that indicated a Zionist conspiracy hatched in early 1990's - when the World Trade Towers were still just a sketch on the drawing boards - to plan its destruction at a later date, by planting thermal devices inside the structures of the planned building. This resulted in an 'implosion' - collapsing on itself - of the building - rather than an 'explosion' which would shatter and scatter the debris.

What I mean is that such nefarious schemes are the hallmark of Mossad, who immediately impute the perpetration on "ISLAMIC TERRORISTS" - a fiction promulgated by the Zionists world-wide - to hide their own villainous deeds on one hand, and bring bad name to Muslims and Islam everywhere. The world will believe Israelis and Mossad guilty unless they can prove their innocence in an international tribunal.

andak01
12-09-2008, 05:23 AM
This article is a bit out of date. The Pakistani security forces have arrested the main culprits in the Mumbai attack and Laskar-i-Taibah has felt the repercussions.

What I don't see below is a celebration that the Mumbai attack happened, which is exactly what we would expect if the author felt that way. The author is BLAMING, because he condemns the action, not because he agrees with it. Wrongheaded as it may be, it is a big step up from dancing in the street with a poster of Bin Laden.

The second fact that should be noted is that support for Indian terrorism is not evident enough for the author to catch on that what he's saying is false. I think he actually believes what he's saying. The question is how to shine a light on these false beliefs in a way that wins hearts and minds.

Mosche
12-09-2008, 09:08 AM
Typical cr@p. I still see similar junk on the T in Boston regarding 9/11--blame the Jews! One of my students--a Saudi--even told me that there was no way that a Muslim caused 9/11, it was Mossad's attempt to frame them. How? By hiring ex-Muslims (whatever that is) to carry out the plot! Right! I need a job, so I'll get one to kill myself!

Ridiculous!

ShimonG
12-09-2008, 12:31 PM
The islamic taqqiya from evil that justifies slitting a hindu soldier's throat continues. Lets see exactly what action that porki authorities have taken against islam terror. the taqqiya is aimed at forestalling public condemnation and international (or india) retaliation against islam terror by falsely claiming that the porkis are "acting against islam terror." Nothing can be further from the truth and this islamic taqqiya knows that well.

This from a recent article i posted here. This is the leader of the lashkar-e-toiba or the army of the pure. :vomit:

And we kaffirs are to believe that islam is acting against its terror centers!! The article is dated September 30, 2008.Yaack Thooooo as my indian friends would say.

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1194581

Pak allows LeT founder to import bullet proof car
ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan government has granted permission to the chief of the Pakistan-based terrorist group, Lashkar-e-Toiba, Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, to import a duty free bullet-proof Land Cruiser, worth Rs 25 million.

Mil
12-09-2008, 12:59 PM
Are there any nudist colonies in the Liberal country of Pakistan?

dayag
12-09-2008, 02:51 PM
Are there any nudist colonies in the Liberal country of Pakistan?

No, you have to go to the United Arab Emirates if you want to romp around naked on the beach. :D

Mosche
12-09-2008, 09:23 PM
No, you have to go to the United Arab Emirates if you want to romp around naked on the beach. :D

Women are also allowed to go nude in the UAE--as long as they cover their heads.:rofl:

ShimonG
12-11-2008, 09:39 AM
Women are also allowed to go nude in the UAE--as long as they cover their heads.:rofl:


This dont sound right according to islamic texts.

Remember how mohammad got aroused when he saw his own daughter-in-law, even when she was fully clothed but not veiled just after she had had her shower. mohammad then forced his son to divorce zainab so that he could marry his own ex-daughter-in-law.

Just not kosher, i tell ya!

andak01
12-11-2008, 12:31 PM
Kosher is killing all the women who aren't virgins.

Numbers 31:17
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

Steven
12-11-2008, 01:25 PM
Kosher is killing all the women who aren't virgins.

Numbers 31:17
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

Funny thing is that they are civilized enough not to do this and they are not calling for religious law across the world.

No buyers.

Mil
12-11-2008, 01:29 PM
Kosher is killing all the women who aren't virgins.

Like a wife of a rabbi....

andak01
12-11-2008, 01:44 PM
Funny thing is that they are civilized enough not to do this and they are not calling for religious law across the world.

No buyers.

THEY? Do all Jews speak with the same mind like us 1.3 billion Muslims are assumed to do by the likes of you? There are of course Jews who would like to have a Kahanist semi-theocracy in Israel. There are Jews who think Goldstein was a hero to Israel. They don't have any government backing and there is nothing in it for Israel to back such extremists. Conversely, there was power and money for nations backing terrorism for decades. There isn't now and government backing for such things is dwindling.

Steven
12-11-2008, 02:09 PM
THEY? Do all Jews speak with the same mind like us 1.3 billion Muslims are assumed to do by the likes of you? There are of course Jews who would like to have a Kahanist semi-theocracy in Israel. There are Jews who think Goldstein was a hero to Israel. They don't have any government backing and there is nothing in it for Israel to back such extremists. Conversely, there was power and money for nations backing terrorism for decades. There isn't now and government backing for such things is dwindling.



I never said that all Muslims think the same and Jews are not a threat to the world as I know it. Muslims by the likes of you are.

andak01
12-11-2008, 02:31 PM
I never said that all Muslims think the same and Jews are not a threat to the world as I know it. Muslims by the likes of you are.

What you have said again and again is that it doesn't really matter what we think.

Steven
12-11-2008, 02:39 PM
What you have said again and again is that it doesn't really matter what we think.

It really doesn't, 1400 years of empty talk is long enough and no non-Muslim should cater to Islam in anyway.

andak01
12-12-2008, 07:17 AM
It really doesn't, 1400 years of empty talk is long enough and no non-Muslim should cater to Islam in anyway.

What if it profits him to do so? Should a store refuse to sell to Muslim customers? Should companies refuse to take Muslim employees even if they are productive? Should the FBI refuse to accept information from informants?

What you are missing is that Muslims and Christians and Jews do interact in productive ways everyday. Our natural desire is to lead a secure life with as few problems as possible. When someone hurts me and my Muslim family, they are also hurting my Christian family who love us and who we love. When someone debases an innocent human, they debase themselves. That goes for Muslims, Christians or anyone else.

ShimonG
12-12-2008, 03:15 PM
Let me continue to warn people against falling for islamic taqqiya. And taqqiya is all it is. To temporarily make a truce with perhaps christians and jews so that the moslem can slaughter other kaffirs.

Of course, this current round of bonhomie for jews and christians does not extend to a poor hindu soldier who got his throat slit by islam terrorist. No empathy there, absolutely none. What we all saw was a moslem taqqiya justify some of the most brutal acts committed by islam. supposedly the hindu had descended from the devil, did not have a family. And slaughtering him is of course halal in islam.

When the kaffirs such as hindus and buddhists have been slaughtered, then will come the time of the jews and then christians.

Such evil must be understood and stopped. I am sure no one is falling for this taqqiya anymore. But just in case, i figured a warning shot might be warranted.