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01-12-2002, 01:09 AM
"In Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharatt's personal diaries, there is an excerpt from May of 1955 in which he quotes Moshe Dayan as follows: "[Israel] must see the sword as the main, if not the only, instrument with which to keep its morale high and to retain its moral tension. Toward this end it may, no - it must - invent dangers, and to do this it must adopt the method of provocation-and-revenge...And above all - let us hope for a new war with the Arab countries, so that we may finally get rid of our troubles and acquire our space." Quoted in Livia Rokach, "Israel's Sacred Terrorism."
01-12-2002, 01:31 PM
I would like to see some reactions, as this quote from this senior person indicates that palestinian terrorism and the security of israel was NOT the reason for occupation and launching the war in 1967, and that plans to occupy were ready long before any terrorism occured. in fact he admits that terrorism should be provoked and helps israel a lot.
All this is undermining all your reasons you gave me not to stop occupation and have a hard-line attitude to the pals.
01-12-2002, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by takeo
Top 5 reasons this is nonesense and has nothing even remotely to do with today's mideast conflict:
1. This miserable piece of anti-Israel propaganda was published by the Association of Arab-American University Graduates, which automaticlaly tells you that it is biased and misleading. Some other fine titles by this anti-American and anti-Israel group include such gems as "U.S. Strategy in the Gulf: Intervention Against Liberation", "Israelâ€™s Global Role: Weapons for Repression", "Politics of Liquidation: The Reagan Administration". You get the picture...
2. All the people who allegedly were quoted in the book, (including the author, btw) have been dead for many years now and cannot be questioned about the ridiculous quotes being alleged. And of course, since all the people allegedly quoted in the book are long dead and gone, they cannot possibly be relevant to today's events.
3. The book was written in association with one of the notorious anti-Israel liars of all times, a self-hating Jew, named Noam Chomsky, who wrote the introduction for this book. His association is another huge factor in dismissing this book as another worthless work of disinformation and propaganda.
4. The information is factually wrong to blame Israel for the '67 war, and contains an abundance of proven lies and ommissions.
The fact is that the Arab countries surrounding Israel massed their troops on the Israeli border, armed to the teeth and ready to attack. In fact, it was Nasser of Egypt who caused the war by getting rid of the UN buffer force in the Sinai and then shutting the straits of Tiran, which was known to be vital to Israel's survival.
Here's an account of the war, as reported by the official Jordan government's account of the problems that led to the war. Notice the parts about how the same type of Arab terrorists who cause suffering to their people today were doing the same thing in '67:
Responding to a fedayeen raid, on November 13, 1966, Israel launched a major attack on the West Bank border village of Samu, rounding up villagers and destroying their houses. A Jordanian armored column hastened to repel the attack, but was overwhelmingly defeated by the Israelisâ€™ superior firepower. Instead of serving as an alarm warning of the dangers of uncoordinated military raids, the tragedy gave further grist to the opponents of the Hashemite Kingdom, who argued that the regime was responsible for what had happened at Samu. Radio broadcasts from Egypt, Syria and Iraq prompted rioting in major Jordanian cities.
By the spring of 1967, the situation had become extremely intense. On May 16, Nasser shocked the world by asking the United Nations to withdraw its forces from Sinai. To the surprise of many, his request was honored two days later. Moreover, the Egyptian president closed the Straits of Tiran on May 22.
Sensing that war was now likely, King Hussein aligned Jordan firmly with Egypt, suggesting an Egyptian-Jordanian Mutual Defense Treaty. Nasser immediately accepted the idea, and the treaty was signed on May 30. The treaty stipulated that Jordanâ€™s forces were to be placed under the command of Egyptian General Abdul Moneim Riad. Iraq also signed the pact, while the Syrians denounced it and refused to sign.
The outbidding and rivalry of radical Arab parties allowed Israel to launch a surprise attack on June 5, 1967, virtually eliminating the Egyptian air force in a single blow.14 At that point, the outcome of the war was decided. In response to the Israeli attack, Jordanian forces launched an offensive into Israel, but were soon driven back as the Israeli forces counterattacked into the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem.
For the original source, check here (http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/his_periods3.html).
Other than the Arab account, here's an
excellent resource of the Facts and Myths of the 67 war (http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/mf6.html).
5. The title of the book and its publisher says it all: "Sacred Terrorism,", as everyone by now knows, is an Islamic terrorist Jihad-like position, not an Israeli one.
01-12-2002, 08:05 PM
So you simply deny that those words have ever been registered?
well, as a matter of fact the Moshe Sharatt's personal diaries really exist, have been published and are available in Israeli libraries. (just look at the book "sacred terrorism" and you'll find a reference to that book and the exact pages) I guess you should check it out if you are in Israel.
the book "Israel's sacred terrorism" was written by Jews (and whatever you may call Noam Chomsky because he always categorically condamned Israel's agressive policy he's not an anti-semite and did never support any kind of Arab regime as well) and the title, as anyone with some kind of sence for sarcasm should know, doesn't mean the autors like terrorism, it means that terrorism was in fact the sacred excuse Israel always used for its controversial policy.
About the quote you gave me, yes Nasser ordered the un to go and close the southern Israeli gate (the same Israel did for years with the Palestinians), but that isn't "casus belli". israel could have discussed this matter with the UN and ask the US to force nasser and Jordan to stop the closure and stop the terrorism against Israel. Israel's strikes against Egypt however were the start of the war and a new escalation in the Middle-East, as well as the reason for the war in 1973. The UN couldn't stay against the will of Nasser and he didn't have to allow uN-forces on its territory, Israel however never accepted UN-forces or UN-observers on its territory, neither on the occupied parts. So please don't blaim Nasser for sending away the UN-force.
by the way, if there would really be an attack imminent on Israel, it could have prepared and wait for Egypt to start, it would have spared Israel from a lot of international condamnation.
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