Olmert Gov't gives up on Shalit

[Yala]

On Thursday Hamas' spokesman in Gaza, Ayman Taha, said after returning from talks in Cairo that Israel was no longer demanding the release of kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit in exchange for the opening of all border crossings. Israeli officials have not commented on the matter.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3667851,00.html

[Aviva]

Is it definite that he's alive?

[maven]

Is it definite that he's alive?Usually the Pallies kill people before returning them, so he may be still alive at least until a deal is done to swop him for several million terrorists.

[Yala]

Is it definite that he's alive?

If there is even a chance he shouldn't be left with those barbarian terrorists. If Israel opens the borders w/o Shalit they are dumber than we even thought.

[deut_20-21]

Israel needs to find (or perhaps, create) a means to pressure Hamas to return Shalit. To make them sorry they ever considered kidnapping!

For example, kidnapping senior Hamas (or even PLO) leaders and not then saying "Okay, we'll trade." but instead continuing to kidnap leaders.

Or, do what the police do in the US to arrest hundreds of criminals in one swoop. They send out notices inviting them to something, for free, and at the door or soon afterward everyone with an invitation is arrested.

This is done a few times a year somewhere in the US -- it continues to work.

So, Israel might hold an important convention, say in Denmark or even in Malaysia, on how best to replace the "out-dated and old-fashioned God of the Bible with the Demons of Islam", (let me tell you -- the God of the Bible has been in charge for eternity past and will be in charge for eternity future,) but anyway, Israel holds a summit conference and suddenly 100 or 200 senior Hamas folks are encouraged to take their rest in an arid desert clime with no stress or hurtful decision making.

And only then does Israel bring up Shalit -- and Israel say's very clearly that if Shalit isn't returned in good health -- then these men will be returned the same way.

Only then should Shalit's name be brought up.

I only hope that Israel doesn't yield to UN counter-pressure -- though when I read my Bible I don't see even one reference to the UN. And I don't God made a mistake, I just don't think they're important.

Oh yes, moving 100 or 200 combative prisoners out of, say, Denmark, could prove to be disruptive. So I know -- do this in Iran. There, losing some government by-standers or officials wouldn't be such a loss.

I should say here that I am just a old person living in the US and if something like this is actually attempted, the lives that would be at risk would be young Israeli's -- and these men and women are important.

And this idea may be completely impractical -- even foolish, I don't know. But someone should consider what is needed to accomplish this mission.

And on last item: If it is proven that Shalit is dead, then take the time and the effort to demonstrate that Shalit is important, and that his life was worth thousands of the enemy.

[deut_20-21]

Wait just a minute!

Did Germany and Japan win WW2? I mean I know we buy lot's of Japanese cars but did they actually win? Have rebellious American's rewritten our history books so we won't realize that the Allied powers lost the Second World War?

I read that article. I had no idea that Hamas won.

Wait a minute -- their's no recession in the US, we're all at full employment. And my wife and I are in our 20's.

So what do I do next? How do I make these things true?

[Tonto]

I really like the kidnap idea....but why bother with something so elaborate? Why not just grab the 1st school full of children(all of them, minus teachers) and take them to Israel? Set up a special boarding school for them, teach them hebrew and Judism, ignoring islam all together. They stay in that school until they graduate at 18 or all Israeli prisoners are released unharmed.....which ever comes first. Each time a soldier, or Israeli citizen is kidnapped or captured, go after another school full of kiddies and do it again. Talk about radical re-education! The palis will scream bloody murder, but they do that anyway.

[deut_20-21]

I really like the kidnap idea....but why bother with something so elaborate? Why not just grab the 1st school full of children(all of them, minus teachers) and take them to Israel? Set up a special boarding school for them, teach them hebrew and Judism, ignoring islam all together. They stay in that school until they graduate at 18 or all Israeli prisoners are released unharmed.....which ever comes first. Each time a soldier, or Israeli citizen is kidnapped or captured, go after another school full of kiddies and do it again. Talk about radical re-education! The palis will scream bloody murder, but they do that anyway.

This is an incredibly good idea!! Much better than mine. This is one of those not-so-obvious plans that can change the world for the better.

I know we're told that the fraternal twins of Rebecca (Jacob and Esau,) would always hate each other -- but I don't think that makes it wrong or foolish to try.

Tonto, you have an excellent idea.

[codedvirus]

I really like the kidnap idea....but why bother with something so elaborate? Why not just grab the 1st school full of children(all of them, minus teachers) and take them to Israel? Set up a special boarding school for them, teach them hebrew and Judism, ignoring islam all together. They stay in that school until they graduate at 18 or all Israeli prisoners are released unharmed.....which ever comes first. Each time a soldier, or Israeli citizen is kidnapped or captured, go after another school full of kiddies and do it again. Talk about radical re-education! The palis will scream bloody murder, but they do that anyway.

i like the idea. But the only problem is there would be world wide Jihad attacks on Schools.

They have a world wide network.

[maven]

If we know where Corporal Shalit is then I think we need another 'Raid On Entebbe' style action.

Infliltrate a small squad of undercover highly-trained anti-terror troops.

At three o'clock in the morning strike the building in which he is held with sleep grenades made of a gas which makes anyone breathing it fall asleep (a non-lethal modification of the weapon used by the Russians to close down the terrorists in the theatre siege) that way we can try to protect Gilad from being killed.

Then land several helicopters full of troops with massive Apache aircover to protect them as they close the area down and bring Gilad out. The operation should act with 'extreme prejudice' i.e. no toleration of any activity against it.

[Aviva]

If we know where Corporal Shalit is then I think we need another 'Raid On Entebbe' style action.


I don't believe they have a clue where Shalit is. He's may have been smuggled to Iran or Syria by now, if he's alive at all. 'The Raid On Entebbe' style of operation happened in a very different world.

[andak01]

They already had a raid on Shalit. And I'm sure that during the recent attacks, every eye was looking for him.

[Aviva]

The Palestinians know that the Israelis would still negotiate for his dead body so he could receive a proper burial. I really hope he's alive but if he is, I can't see why big demands haven't been made by the Pals with regards to his return. They know they could ask for just about anything.

[sharonbn]

Well, it seems to be untrue that "Olmert Gov't gives up on Shalit"
In recent days, all the Israeli papers report of a nearing deal on Shalit
see example below

'Shalit deal may be sealed by end of Olmert term'
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1062350.html

Regarding the question on Shalit's condition, yesterday, Ehud Barak said on an interview to Channel 1 that Shalit is "definitely" alive and well.

[Aviva]

Regarding the question on Shalit's condition, yesterday, Ehud Barak said on an interview to Channel 1 that Shalit is "definitely" alive and well.

Baruch Hashem.

[codedvirus]

NGO silence on Gilad Shalit's rights under international law is a significant moral failing by these self-proclaimed defenders of human rights and international law. Held hostage by Hamas since June 2006, Shalit is entitled to the rights and protections of prisoners of war guaranteed in the Third Geneva Convention (http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d9b287a42141256739003e636b/6fef854a3517b75ac125641e004a9e68), including the right to unfettered access to the Red Cross. Hamas flouts international law and very few NGOs call it to account or demanded enforcement of Shalit's rights.

[maven]

NGO silence on Gilad Shalit's rights under international law is a significant moral failing by these self-proclaimed defenders of human rights and international law. Held hostage by Hamas since June 2006, Shalit is entitled to the rights and protections of prisoners of war guaranteed in the Third Geneva Convention (http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d9b287a42141256739003e636b/6fef854a3517b75ac125641e004a9e68), including the right to unfettered access to the Red Cross. Hamas flouts international law and very few NGOs call it to account or demanded enforcement of Shalit's rights.Correct me if I am wrong but are not all terrorists exempted from both International law and human rights laws?

At least I have not seen many human rights activists or anti-war protesters taking to the streets to protest about their activities nor have I seen human rights lawyers scuttling around trying to file cases against them.

Terrorists are the heroes of the liberal human rights industry; their status as 'fighters' against American/British/Israeli 'hegemony' means "they have the right of resistance."

Last time I saw a human rights lawyer he was parading around London carrying a sign saying "We are all Hamas now!"

Gilad being Israeli does'nt help either to get their sympathy. :unsure:

[Yala]

Gilad being Israeli does'nt help either to get their sympathy. :unsure:

He is also a French citizen, but he's Jewish so it doesn't count.

[codedvirus]

Correct me if I am wrong but are not all terrorists exempted from both International law and human rights laws?


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[Tonto]

Why don't the Israelis round up a hundred or so schoolkids and hold them until Shalit is returned unharmed? Makes sense to me. If he's returned dead, the kids are raised as Jews....that's poetic, and spiritual.

[codedvirus]

Why don't the Israelis round up a hundred or so schoolkids and hold them until Shalit is returned unharmed? Makes sense to me. If he's returned dead, the kids are raised as Jews....that's poetic, and spiritual.

It makes lot of sense. But is the world ready ? That's the main question.

[Tonto]

Who cares? The world doesn't live in Israel with idiots in Gaza shooting at them every day. The world has a wonderful time going tsk tsk while wondering when Israel will go nuts and really go after these pigs and do a real job on them. Time to take the gloves off and get down and dirty is long past. Why play patti-cake with these animals? Go for it! Get them where it really hurts!