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jrpfeffer
02-13-2009, 07:31 AM
I don't know about other people, but I am getting sick of hearing about Israel's "war crimes" in Gaza, especially from far left Jews. The Gush Shalom website is a toxic website, strong glasses and barf bowls required.

Thursday, February 12, 2009
One in Ten As True Today as Ever

There is one thing that we can always count on. When Israel makes world headlines for some bold aggressive action which triggers a world wide information event, it is inevitable that forums and blogs, many not normally dedicated to Middle East discussion get flooded with the Israeli/Zionist debate over "war crimes" and it is inevitable that you will get statements like this;

"Even many Jews are now speaking out against Israel".

And of course it follows that the abhorrence to Israel's "war crimes" is what is making these people anti-Zionist, not their left leaning politics. And the reader of these Jewish testimonial is to be pleasantly surprised by the fact that this latest aggressive act by the Zionist state will finally be put into check by the Jews who will finally speak out.

Of course there is the mainstay of most web forums and blogs that discuss Israel, that some anti-Zionist will discover for the first time; Neuterai Karta and Rabbi Weiss. We all know him of course, the religious Jewish Rabbi who went to Iran in 2006 to participate in Achmedinejad's conference on whether the Holocaust really happened. And then there are the Socialist Jewish writers who saw the light like Chomsky and Naomi Klien and many others.

Of course there have always been anti-Israel Jews and they have always exercised their right to be anti-Israel Jews. However, these people are in greater demand today than at any time the past by Israel’s enemies. They are quoted way beyond proportion to their minor intellectual contribution and their ethnicity becomes part of the debate. In short, they are to the debate about Israel's "war crimes" against the Palestinian people, what the shills are to an info-mercial being looped around to help fill the two hours on Sunday morning, when TV is cheap and most people are in bed. What is an illusion is how people seem to be convinced that the number of these people is always on the rise.

One way in which the internet has really changed the world is in its incredible ability to enable threads of thought to flow on and on forever. Unlike the old days of books and newspaper articles when information flows seemed limited and finite. You would read an article than you had to move on. Today on the other hand, you can click around the globe forever chasing the opinions of anyone and everyone who has the time to bother to say anything. As a result rather than the debate being limited to players, or at least well placed and informed people, the debate has been filled with characters of no real value to the debate other than what they are and how they have spoken their mind.

So it seems that the biggest argument against Zionism is that "even the Jews are turning against Israel" and people have the links to prove it. Of course it is an illusion. The same percentage of anti-Israel types exist today as existed in the past. The number of far left Jewish people has not changed. Expecting the percentage to change is like expecting the number of homosexuals to change, more may come out of the closet but the numbers never change and like the anti-Zionist crowd the percentage is pretty much stuck at 10%.

http://jpfeffer.blogspot.com/2009/02/one-in-ten-as-true-today-as-ever.html

Steven
02-14-2009, 08:58 PM
Welcome to the forum. These are the same people who did not say a word about the rockets flying into Israel all year.

Reffo
02-14-2009, 11:55 PM
I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist but something smells about how well these people seem to coordinate their anti Israel activities .... I guess it's either that or simply toxic hatred ..... either way they p**ss me off, BIG TIME!!!!!: :banghead:

Steven
02-15-2009, 12:02 AM
I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist but something smells about how well these people seem to coordinate their anti Israel activities .... I guess it's either that or simply toxic hatred ..... either way they p**ss me off, BIG TIME!!!!!: :banghead:

They are very organized and very serious. In return we need to do the same to combat them.


How's things in the land of Oz? :D

Reffo
02-15-2009, 01:42 AM
Hi Steven

Things are great in Aussie Land and I hope it stays that way. Of course, right now we have had a couple of disasters, you probably heard about the bush fires in Victoria but we also had flooding in Queensland.

By the way, did you get my PM? For some reason, my PMs don't seem to show up in my outbox (the sent messages) so I am not sure whether my messages are actually sent ....:scratch:

sunshine
02-15-2009, 09:10 AM
those jews that decided it was a terrible idea to return to the promised land..... got thrown in the ovens

and those jews that thought if they helped the nazis they would save their own behind.... got shot.... from behind....

this is a vicious cycle, wherever there has been jews, there has been guilty jews, us real jews on this forum breath in oxygen, the anti israel maniac breath in guilt and the only way they can get it out is by siding with the pals. But there cowards.... if these for example israeli left wing loonys care so much and feel so guilty why dont they give up there house to an arab family, why not give it to one who lives in gaza... how lovely :) whilst most of the 8000 families kicked out of gaza are living in trailer homes, why not give up your house......

the fact is there cowards...

Steven
02-15-2009, 09:43 AM
Hi Steven

Things are great in Aussie Land and I hope it stays that way. Of course, right now we have had a couple of disasters, you probably heard about the bush fires in Victoria but we also had flooding in Queensland.

By the way, did you get my PM? For some reason, my PMs don't seem to show up in my outbox (the sent messages) so I am not sure whether my messages are actually sent ....:scratch:

Good to hear, don't let illegals overrun your country and it will stay that way.

Go it.;)

maven
02-15-2009, 10:42 AM
those jews that decided it was a terrible idea to return to the promised land..... got thrown in the ovens

and those jews that thought if they helped the nazis they would save their own behind.... got shot.... from behind....

this is a vicious cycle, wherever there has been jews, there has been guilty jews, us real jews on this forum breath in oxygen, the anti israel maniac breath in guilt and the only way they can get it out is by siding with the pals. But there cowards.... if these for example israeli left wing loonys care so much and feel so guilty why dont they give up there house to an arab family, why not give it to one who lives in gaza... how lovely :) whilst most of the 8000 families kicked out of gaza are living in trailer homes, why not give up your house......

the fact is there cowards...Good points Sunshine. I think in analyzing how we can deal with the threat we also have to understand that large numbers of Jews have joined the other side for a number of reasons; mainly I would suggest life-long liberal or leftist brainwashing.

I think one thing we need to do, and I hope the Israeli Newsschannel I am campaigning for will do, is to assist in the re-education through dialogue of Jewish people who are taking a course which does not in the end serve their interests.

Here is a video clip showing an example of a Jewish lady willing to join the Islamists in seeking to destroy the State of Israel to show how cool a Jew she is to her Muslim friends.

Forget the "United, democratic Palestine with Justice for Palestinians and Jews" that her leftist views supports.

When it comes to it "Justice for Jews" will come at the point of a Jihadi knife or gun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=908rBS_A79o&feature=related

Yala
02-15-2009, 12:16 PM
She is very ugly in her thoughts as well as appearance. In fact, I wish she would wear a chador.

bararallu
02-15-2009, 12:26 PM
:lol:

Reffo
02-15-2009, 01:52 PM
Here is a video clip showing an example of a Jewish lady willing to join the Islamists in seeking to destroy the State of Israel to show how cool a Jew she is to her Muslim friends.Their [these so called leftist liberals] favourite word: "Struggle" ..... "Struggle" ..... "Struggle" ...... "Struggle" ... that seems to be their only purpose in life...... it makes them feel self important :rolleyes:

I say, may they have a lifetime of personal struggles without any successes I guess that will keep them in ecstasy and raptures. Clearly a win-win outcome for them and us...... :D

Steven
02-15-2009, 02:49 PM
Good points Sunshine. I think in analyzing how we can deal with the threat we also have to understand that large numbers of Jews have joined the other side for a number of reasons; mainly I would suggest life-long liberal or leftist brainwashing.

I think one thing we need to do, and I hope the Israeli Newsschannel I am campaigning for will do, is to assist in the re-education through dialogue of Jewish people who are taking a course which does not in the end serve their interests.

Here is a video clip showing an example of a Jewish lady willing to join the Islamists in seeking to destroy the State of Israel to show how cool a Jew she is to her Muslim friends.

Forget the "United, democratic Palestine with Justice for Palestinians and Jews" that her leftist views supports.

When it comes to it "Justice for Jews" will come at the point of a Jihadi knife or gun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=908rBS_A79o&feature=related



Just another moron who is standing up for a group of people who are looking to destroy life as she knows it.:tdown:

jrpfeffer
02-18-2009, 10:54 AM
She is very ugly in her thoughts as well as appearance. In fact, I wish she would wear a chador.

LOL, good point.

Perhaps she is in need of attention and I think that she only has to make a simple calculation to figure this one out.

When you make yourself a useful pawn to the other side by validating the other side's taunts, you get more positive attention by the other side than you would get by your side, should you openly support your side. And since she is likely not going get any attention supporting for Israel, she probably figures I can surely get more attention from the other side, maybe even get laid by a ISM aid worker or something.

I have no doubt that if an Israeli man supporter showed interest in her and who happended to never catch her antics on video, she would change in a jiffy.

Y. Shulamith
02-18-2009, 05:24 PM
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/Put_Hamas3_Not_Israel3_on_Trial.asp

Alan Dershowitz: Hamas Should Be Put on Trial for War Crimes: Not Israel.