Blair Talking To Hamas

[maven]

Tony Blair in Gaza to make Hamas respectable a day before he meets with Hillary Clinton in Egypt.

This is the result of Israel's greatest ever military failure in Operation Cast Lead. Given the opportunity to wipe out Hamas power in Gaza; Olmert, Barak and Livni deceided to stop the war in order to give Obama a nice day for his inaugeration. We could have taken out Hamas leaders and weakened their fighters to the point that the US and the EU would have been begging for Israel to allow Fateh safe passage to return PA control in Gaza thus securing the possibility of a two State solution.

Instead we will now be forced by the US and the EU to accept a Lebanese style State within a State in Gaza and the West Bank.

Israel under Olmert broke the golden rule; never allow any other country's interests to dictate Israel's national security. For the sake of a peaceful day in Washington Israel did just that, now we face the consequences; we are at the beck and call of the agenda of Obama-Biden. Biden has been taking money from the Iranian lobby in Washington for years, Obamas thinking on the Middle East is non-existant; it consists entirely of taking advice from advisors.

Tony Blair comes to represent the muddled thinking of the failed multi-cultural State of Britanistan from which he eminates; where keeping the Muslims happy is increasingly the main goal of foreign policy.

Talking to Hamas, who have no intent ever to recognize Israel apart from a peace process that would take them closer to attacking her more successfully in the future, sounds to me at any rate like bad news. Hillary Clinton may stand before the Congress in Washington and declare "I have in my hand a piece of paper signed by Hamas that will give us peace in our time." But it will be a hollow victory for liberal diplomacy over Bush style toughness.

Israel's Winston Churchill Ariel Sharon lies dead in his grave, and the new White House do not read Winston Churchill. Israel's main defender in the world George W. Bush is a fading memory, Israel's leadership is split and divided. The Islamists and the left are circling around Israel like Buzzards, Iran is arming, Lebanon is united under a single banner, In Egypt, with the blessing of Clinton the Palestinians are forming a unity government "of all the factions," Hamas are about to get the funds to reconstruct and re-arm, the storm clouds are gathering.

Obama as ever is silent, Clinton has some explaining to do.

UPDATE: DESPITE EARLIER REPORTS ON NEWSCHANNELS THAT BLAIR WAS TALKING TO HAMAS MEDIA ARE NOW SAYING HE IS NOT.
breathes sigh of relief!

[Rob]

Tony Blair in Gaza

Time to shoot some "homemade annoyances" (i.e. Qassams or Grads) to Gaza. Blair will not understand though.

[Steven]

I lost respect for Blair years ago. He sees the problem with Islam spreading and spreading yet he does not have the guts to face it.

[Sharona]

I caught him on TV tonight - briefly.

He was in Gaza and said words to the effect of no one being able to remain unmoved by the death and destruction in the area. I was about to launch my snarling self at the TV when he added "but the violence coming from Gaza has to stop"

At least he used the word 'violence' - so many people seem to think that the rockets Hamas was launching were about as harmless as grass-loaded catapaults.

He added that the situation was left to fester for too long - presumably the situation in which Hamas was attacking with their harmless pea-shooters - and that that cannot be allowed to happen again.

Quite how it would be stopped remains to be seen. It would be interesting to see quite how the West would intervene - and shouldn't it be doing so now, given that the shells are still coming?

I was never a Blair fan. I found his style edged too close to the 'celebrity' rather than the 'politician'. His use of spin was such that I think he destroyed the British public's trust in all politicians and created the voter apathy that we have today.

[maven]

To be fair to Blair he was quite good this morning and is now the main spokesperson against Hamas having any say in Gaza.

It's that UN Irish anti-Semite John Ging that makes my blood boil. He is always going on about how 'unacceptable' Israel's actions are without ever condemning Hamas. And how come during the war neither he nor his staff were ever present in any buildings so-called 'targeted' by the IDF? How was he so sure Hamas were not there when his own staff were not there? :unsure:

[Sharona]

To be honest, Maven, Blair would look incredibly stupid and hypocritical if he went all pro-Hamas. All that banging on he did in 2002/3 trying to convince the UK that a war in Iraq was a necessary part of fighting terrorism - he couldn't really do a U-turn now, could he?

He's got to keep reading from that script or his reasons for going to Iraq would have no meaning. Every cloud has its silver lining, I suppose;)

It's odd how the Labour party are mostly quiet about Gaza. Again, all that certainty about Saddam a few years ago now seems to have fizzled out as the fear of losing the pro-Palestinian votes begin to matter to them. :tdown:

[bararallu]

he couldn't really do a U-turn now, could he?

Has the nature of political personalities changed so much recently?:cool:

Look At Hillary, she flip flops as a matter of course. As did Rice. Most of it due to internal consumption and probably just a little to his immediate masters, er... mandate :rolleyes:. I'd wager that Blair would be pro Israeli if the UK street was more pro Israeli, I think that's his natural inclination. But he is a politician, his notion of consistency and survival are drastically different than a common man in the street.

[Sharona]

I think this particular issue with Blair might be slightly different.

I'm not sure how much of the British 'anti-Iraq' situation was conveyed to the USA, but it wasn't Blair's finest hour. There was always a suspicion that this war was not about 'terror', but about 'oil'. There were resignations (Robin Cook and later, Claire Short); fairly blatant propaganda that fooled no one; the death of Dr David Kelly, no WMD's.....Iraq was Blair's downfall. Politically, it was suicide.

Because it was such an issue from the off, I just don't see how he could retain even the smallest grain of credibility if he sang from the pro-Hamas hymn sheet.

[bararallu]

I think the jury is still out concerning the WMDs. The convoy of trucks that left for Syria right before and during the invasion, the Syrian construction of the nuclear reactor that Israel bombed, the puzzle is getting a little clearer.

[Sharona]

I think the jury is still out concerning the WMDs. The convoy of trucks that left for Syria right before and during the invasion, the Syrian construction of the nuclear reactor that Israel bombed, the puzzle is getting a little clearer.

Really? I don't think I know anything about this. Can you elaborate a little?


Cheers!

[maven]

I think this particular issue with Blair might be slightly different.

I'm not sure how much of the British 'anti-Iraq' situation was conveyed to the USA, but it wasn't Blair's finest hour. There was always a suspicion that this war was not about 'terror', but about 'oil'. There were resignations (Robin Cook and later, Claire Short); fairly blatant propaganda that fooled no one; the death of Dr David Kelly, no WMD's.....Iraq was Blair's downfall. Politically, it was suicide.

Because it was such an issue from the off, I just don't see how he could retain even the smallest grain of credibility if he sang from the pro-Hamas hymn sheet.Blair was totally for the war in Iraq before he even discussed it with Bush, he had made the point some years earlier.

He did it for the right reasons but he went over the top in selling it, I fault him on his socialist home policies but never on the war or his fight against terrorism. I despise Britain's cowardly generals who were beaten by Al Sadrs militia in Basra.

If it had been about oil we would have done what the French and the Germans did; do deals behind the back of the UN to buy cheap oil.

Of course he was absolutly right to join 'Operation Iraqi freedom' and with Iraq as a democracy it is now more likely to become a future ally of Israel if we get a two-State solution.

Claire Shortbrains, Robin Cook, Jeremy Corbyn, George Galloway, Ann Cryor, Tony Benn, Jenny Tong, Lord Ahmed, Baroness Uddin; all anti-semitic scum.

It was not Blair who killed David Kelly it was Andrew Gilligan who set him up.

As to WMD's people forget that every intelligence agency in the world thought Saddam had them, even his own cabinet and senior military did.
Who cares? The schmuk is dead now and he won't be firing any more Scuds into Israel.

I was misinformed by BBC or SKY news early today when I wrote that thread. I have heard an interview with Blair today on Al Jazeera English and was impressed how firm he was against talking to Hamas until they accept Israel.

But Israel has to do her part and make it clear asap that she will not accept or work with any unity government including Hamas unless Hamas recognizes Israel and renounces violence.

But unless Netanyahu is sidelined in Israel there is no hope anyway because he is determined to wreck any hope for peace and to expand settlement in the West Bank.

[bararallu]

if it had been about oil we would have done what the french and the germans did; do deals behind the back of the un to buy cheap oil.


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[icarus5]

first :i realy like to open what i am saying as a htread,but i can not do that,so i hope that someone else will be do that for me...

I wanted to talk about signs :that post at the entrance of Restaurant at Jordan, and the content of signs is "not enter to dogs and Jews"..
It was published today in Walla...

and i am sure that people could speak a bout this issue:

the Source is at hebrew...
here..
http://http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/1/1457484

and the sign is here :
http://mscwbe.walla.co.il/w/18-200/532139-18.jpg

i will try to find a bout this also at english...

icarus5

[maven]

first :i realy like to open what i am saying as a htread,but i can not do that,so i hope that someone else will be do that for me...

I wanted to talk about signs :that post at the entrance of Restaurant at Jordan, and the content of signs is "not enter to dogs and Jews"..
It was published today in Walla...

and i am sure that people could speak a bout this issue:

the Source is at hebrew...
here..
http://http://news.walla.co.il/?w=/1/1457484

and the sign is here :
http://mscwbe.walla.co.il/w/18-200/532139-18.jpg

i will try to find a bout this also at english...

icarus5welcome Icarus5. :unsure:

[icarus5]

thank you maven...

can you open for me that thread...i just can not do that..??

icarus5