British Blood Boils!! Video

[Steven]

TUESDAY, MARCH 10, 2009

British Blood Boils!! Video
Slowly the tide against Islam is starting to turn in the UK. At the end of January we saw the British bobbies actually running from a crowd of Muslims. At recent a homecoming for returning British soldiers Muslims took to the the streets once again to protest against them. The only difference is that this time the non-Muslims chased the Muslims off of the streets. Go mates!!

To view this short video....

http://islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2009/03/british-blood-boils.html

[Aviva]

Yes, this made the TV news yesterday. On the 6 OClock BBC news, the crowd of protesters were described as "Islamist". Maybe after complaints about using that word, in the 10 O Clock BBC news, they were just referred to as "anti-war protestors".

I don't think it shows any change of UK attitude, seeing as the people attending that home-coming parade would have been the families of the soldiers. That's why the protestors were chased away. They had been waving placards that the soldiers from that regiment should go to hell. That would infuriate anyone, wouldn't it. Even the newscaster looked annoyed.

[friendofisrael]

Notice how the police do nothing! I saw this protest at the troops returning on the news today. Disgusting! Surely this protest was offensive, inflamatory, and ammounting to an incitement to violence/disturbing the peace??

Those animals should have been driven back forcibly, and their posters taken from them and destroyed. Any resistance to the police should have been dealt with harshly. What is our country coming to?

I'm sure if someone produced an Israeli flag they would have had it swiftly confiscated, for 'fear of causing violence'!

[Aviva]

Notice how the police do nothing! I saw this protest at the troops returning on the news today. Disgusting! Surely this protest was offensive, inflamatory, and ammounting to an incitement to violence/disturbing the peace??

Those animals should have been driven back forcibly, and their posters taken from them and destroyed. Any resistance to the police should have been dealt with harshly. What is our country coming to?

I'm sure if someone produced an Israeli flag they would have had it swiftly confiscated, for 'fear of causing violence'!

There was debate in the BBC news report about whether or not the protest should have been allowed to take place. I can't remember what was said because I was too busy shouting at the television.

The UK police have to be careful about dealing with Muslims as there is such scope for complaints of racism, etc. Even the failed bombers of 21 July 2007 complained about their treatment by the police, when it was only blind luck that their bombs didn't explode properly.

[Steven]

Yes, this made the TV news yesterday. On the 6 OClock BBC news, the crowd of protesters were described as "Islamist". Maybe after complaints about using that word, in the 10 O Clock BBC news, they were just referred to as "anti-war protestors".

I don't think it shows any change of UK attitude, seeing as the people attending that home-coming parade would have been the families of the soldiers. That's why the protestors were chased away. They had been waving placards that the soldiers from that regiment should go to hell. That would infuriate anyone, wouldn't it. Even the newscaster looked annoyed.

I am hopefully that things are changing. There was also that anti-sharia rallly on the 7Th there that drew 600 people.

[Aviva]

I am hopefully that things are changing. There was also that anti-sharia rallly on the 7Th there that drew 600 people.

I didn't hear about that. I doubt it would have made the mainstream news because it would be seen as singling out Muslims and, according to them, would result in Islamophobia.

[friendofisrael]

I too was shouting at the tv!:lol:

It's so frustrating watching Britains obsession with political correctness destroy the country! It's the same in N Ireland too. Last night I watched a crowd of youths burn bins and shout pro-IRA slogans at the police. (This happened in the area the suspect of the police murder was arrested in yesterday.) The police did nothing, I suppose in the interests of preventing an escalation. If I had even have shouted a few insults at the scumbags I'd have been arrested!

[Aviva]

It's so frustrating watching Britains obsession with political correctness destroy the country! It's the same in N Ireland too.

But the other side of the coin is that so many people in the UK are complaining about their civil liberties being eroded and the threat of terrorism being the excuse for this. For that reason, the police have to allow dissent and freedom of speech as a matter of principle. I agree that it's ruining the country. I don't see it changing soon though. Our opinions on this matter aren't the current fashionable ones, are they.

Last night I watched a crowd of youths burn bins and shout pro-IRA slogans at the police. (This happened in the area the suspect of the police murder was arrested in yesterday.) The police did nothing, I suppose in the interests of preventing an escalation. If I had even have shouted a few insults at the scumbags I'd have been arrested!

This period must be so upsetting for the people of Northern Ireland. But it's interesting that you mentioned the rioters were youths. It's amazing how young men seem to fuel and support terrorism just about everywhere in the world. I think youth deliquency plays a big part. I so wish we had National Service in the UK. I think we really need it.

[Sharona]

Do you think, though, that the number of protestors might be a glimmer of hope?

Luton is a fairly high-density Muslim community and is considered to be one of the most worrying areas in the UK in terms of extremist agitation. Hizb ut-Tahrir have had meetings there, too.

The fact that there were 20 young men means that almost everyone in their community stayed away. That's got to be a poke in the eye for their esteemed leaders, no?

I do applaud the Council and Mayor Lakhbir Singh - they must have realised that the parade might be deemed contentious to some members of the community but they went ahead with it. Given the politically correct, health and safety lunacy that prevails amongst so many authorities, many would have cancelled.

[Sharona]

That said, I also remember reading that the rabbi of the small, United community has to have a police escort to walk to the synagogue.:tdown:

[Madeline]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1160958/Now-Muslim-hate-preacher-mocks-British-troops-dead-comrade-shame-homecoming-protest.html

[Sharona]

An extract from the above article (a quote from one of the protestors) reads:

It read 'Muhammad said :"He among you who sees a munkar (evil) should change it with his hand. If he can not do that , then with his tongue(by speaking out against it)".'

It finished with the words:' We urge the Muslims of Luton not to stay silent against these murderers of Muslim men, women and children and to do what we as Muslims have been obliged to do and speak against an open evil.'


The thing I can never quite understand is why the thousands killed by Saddam Hussein wasn't seen as a 'munkar':scratch:

Or why terrorist bombers who target innocent civilians aren't seen as 'munkar'

A much earlier post on this forum listed the numbers of Palestinians killed or ethinically cleansed by their Arab brothers - which amounted to thousands.....why is that not 'munkar' too?

These double-standards are just bewildering.

[Aviva]

These double-standards are just bewildering.

It's a game; a game of manipulation and propaganda that, as you say, doesn't make sense. But that doesn't stop it from still getting airtime on the news. What's worrying is that anyone with an axe to grind against the government will be blinkered to that senselessness and will blindly support such protesters because they themselves are also "anti-war". It's fashionable to be Liberal and anti-war, isn't it. It's also fashionable to be "multi-cultural" and to support immigrants.

There is a large Muslim community in Luton but I still think that just because more Muslims didn't turn up for the protest that those other Muslims don't support the action of the 20 men. Few will publically denounce them.

As for the Daily Mail article, the interviewed "firebrand preacher", Anjem Choudary frequently gets airtime on the TV to give the Muslim side of news stories. I'm sick of the sight of him.

[Steven]

I didn't hear about that. I doubt it would have made the mainstream news because it would be seen as singling out Muslims and, according to them, would result in Islamophobia.

I am waiting for more information on that. When I get it I will let you know.

[Kenneth]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7935679.stm

Anti-War protesters - what a hoot!

[AlanSilver]

I read a article in The Times, saying that this 'incident' will be the tipping point when decent hard working british people of all faiths stand together and say 'no we dont want sharia law, no we dont want to be muslim, we dont mind what you are just RESPECT our way of life'.

The UK has and is a accommodating place (perhaps to accommodating!!) but everyone here has the right to free speech and the freedom to worship whatever g-d they want to. As long as you respect your neighbours beliefs. muslims on the other hand want to destroy all that. what is so frustrating is that people cant see what is happeing in Israel is the frontline of the war we are facing here in the UK.

I live in watford, where the troops paraded the day after Lootown (sorry football talk, watford and Luton hate each other hence my next bit of gloating!!) there were thousands of people there cheering. Luton has a very high % of Muslims almost becoming a no go area for white people.

[Steven]

I read a article in The Times, saying that this 'incident' will be the tipping point when decent hard working british people of all faiths stand together and say 'no we dont want sharia law, no we dont want to be muslim, we dont mind what you are just RESPECT our way of life'.

The UK has and is a accommodating place (perhaps to accommodating!!) but everyone here has the right to free speech and the freedom to worship whatever g-d they want to. As long as you respect your neighbours beliefs. muslims on the other hand want to destroy all that. what is so frustrating is that people cant see what is happeing in Israel is the frontline of the war we are facing here in the UK.

I live in watford, where the troops paraded the day after Lootown (sorry football talk, watford and Luton hate each other hence my next bit of gloating!!) there were thousands of people there cheering. Luton has a very high % of Muslims almost becoming a no go area for white people.


Would you happen to have a link to that article?

[Sharona]

In our paper it states that a local man is meeting with the Council in order to try and arrange a march in Luton in support of the soliders. There also appear to be the odd instances of Facebook being set up to protest about the protestors.

Jacqboots Jacqui (Smith) has today also banned Moussawi from the UK. He was flying in to give a talk/course on 'Political Islam'.

I don't think this represents a 'fair' government in action; more like Jacqboots under some pressure from somewhere.

[Tonto]

Rather than islamiphobia, I think it's more directly derived from a loathing for islamics. I'm not afraid of any of them but I certainly loath islamic extremists and what they do, and absolutely, any of their supporters. I remember the videos and reports of people dancing in the streets at the islamic attacks on 9/11. Those scum the Brits ran off were not protesting war because it was war, they were protesting because their heros (terrorists) were getting killed by those Brit soldiers that were returning home. Too bad the cops were there....then they would have had an outlook expanding experience, I'm sure.

[Sharona]

I think we're approaching the time when we have to stop worrying about the names we use and just call a spade a spade.

This issue isn't about people, it's about a religion that, in the UK, has to make up its mind as to whether it wishes to remain a religion or become a political ideology. If it is a political ideology then it must open itself up to the same degree of criticism that any other political movement within the UK does. It's followers cannot take to the streets with 'Behead the .......' (fill in the blanks) every time someone makes a negative comment about it.

If it is a religion, then the same applies. We can criticise / joke about religion in the UK - well, unless the UN get away with their current aim to ban criticism of Islam (but no other religion:tdown:). If this law is passed then we need to ensure that it is ignored by the UK. What we cannot do is incite hatred about a religion or its followers - and that is as it should be.

Such a separation might sound like an impossibility given that Islam both religion and politics appear to be indivisible. However, let's be honest, this religio-politico phenomenon is relatively new. It wasn't an integral part of the faith a decade or so ago - Muslims lived in the UK without all this before, so why is is vital now?

In my view, the situation is as dire for moderate Muslims as the current anti-Israel thing is for Jews. Those who just want to get on with their lives without all this are going to suffer because there will be many Brits who won't be able to differentiate between the two - or who won't want to. They'll just lump all Muslims together - and we know where that kind of thought process leads.

If only the Government would get their priorities right. They have to protect the majority, not keep pandering to the minority. If the minority want a political ideology, they must go elsewhere.

[friendofisrael]

Originally posted by Sharona
I think we're approaching the time when we have to stop worrying about the names we use and just call a spade a spade.

This issue isn't about people, it's about a religion that, in the UK, has to make up its mind as to whether it wishes to remain a religion or become a political ideology. If it is a political ideology then it must open itself up to the same degree of criticism that any other political movement within the UK does. It's followers cannot take to the streets with 'Behead the .......' (fill in the blanks) every time someone makes a negative comment about it.

If it is a religion, then the same applies. We can criticise / joke about religion in the UK - well, unless the UN get away with their current aim to ban criticism of Islam (but no other religion). If this law is passed then we need to ensure that it is ignored by the UK. What we cannot do is incite hatred about a religion or its followers - and that is as it should be.

Such a separation might sound like an impossibility given that Islam both religion and politics appear to be indivisible. However, let's be honest, this religio-politico phenomenon is relatively new. It wasn't an integral part of the faith a decade or so ago - Muslims lived in the UK without all this before, so why is is vital now?

In my view, the situation is as dire for moderate Muslims as the current anti-Israel thing is for Jews. Those who just want to get on with their lives without all this are going to suffer because there will be many Brits who won't be able to differentiate between the two - or who won't want to. They'll just lump all Muslims together - and we know where that kind of thought process leads.

If only the Government would get their priorities right. They have to protect the majority, not keep pandering to the minority. If the minority want a political ideology, they must go elsewhere.

Great post, I totally agree. Now all we need is a political party to say what needs to be said, and watch those votes flood in!

well, unless the UN get away with their current aim to ban criticism of Islam (but no other religion). If this law is passed then we need to ensure that it is ignored by the UK.

I didn't know about this one! Though it doesn't suprise me. Have you a link for this? How likely is this to happen?

[Sharona]

Hiya

The information I read in respect of the UN is at the link below:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3436276/night-closes-in.thtml

There is an embedded link to 'UN Watch' in Melanie's text, too.

The trouble is that the current nationalist parties tend to have extreme views about anyone who isn't a white Brit. The old NF went even further by requiring that Britishness to be several generations in residency. Much as people think the BNP are a moderate form of the NF, I'm not so sure.

As for our current 'leaders' (and I use the word with some reservations), they are worried about retaining their votes and of getting up off the Pandora's box that they have created - but is has to be faced at some point or the UK is a lost cause. I think they should just begin to ease themselves up off of the box and start talking common sense.

I've just been given some recommended reading; a book by Thomas Sowell entitled, "The Vision of the Annointed: Self Congratulation as a basis for Social Policy". Sounds about right to me! Half of the current policies do appear to have been implemented by self-congratulatory 'vision' rather than
'common sense'. What some politicians fail to realise is that you can whack in laws left, right and centre, but you cannot legislate for human thought.

[Tonto]

Mo, the pedophile, originally conceived his cult as a religion/form of governance right from the onset. It only lies dormant in areas of muslim minority, but is always ready to step up to it's normal function of governing each and every aspect of it's slaves lives. Christian countries did the same thing 500 years ago, and is the main reason that the "separation of church and state" clause was written into the American Constitution. Most of the world has gotten beyond that point, but the muslim world sure hasn't and they will kill to prove it. The 12,873 jihadi attacks since 9/11 should tell the entire world that little fact. I don't know if a government run by appeasement oriented liberals will have the fortitude to address this emerging problem, but from the common citizen's view, they damn sure had better or the citizens will take care of that themselves.....then you have social unrest, riots, lots of blood, and a big mess. I have a sneaky hunch that we will see lots of social unrest before we see governments making a stand, and that's a pity because that usually means blood will be shed.

[friendofisrael]

Originally posted by Sharona
The trouble is that the current nationalist parties tend to have extreme views about anyone who isn't a white Brit. The old NF went even further by requiring that Britishness to be several generations in residency. Much as people think the BNP are a moderate form of the NF, I'm not so sure.

Yea, what I know of the BNP is not good. I would like to see a measure of electoral success for them though- only for the purpose of energising (& shocking) the Conservatives.

Is there any interest in UKIP in England currently? They seem to be more sympathetic to Israel, and are spot on in regards to Europe.

From The Jewish Chronicle
February 12, 2009
Members of the United Kingdom Independence Party are making a fresh attempt to relaunch a Friends of Israel group. Michael Zuckerman, secretary, said: “There is tremendous support for Israel within UKIP.” The planned group had the backing of party leader Nigel Farage and others among their nine MEPs, he said. Mr Zuckerman, a solicitor, said that although attempts to set up a Friends group started a couple of years ago, it had been stillborn.

[Sharona]

I know UKIP has a vote or two, but I think it's in trouble due to internal conflicts - which is often true of most parties, though.

The Conservatives are the main contenders in the next election anyway so I don't think there will be a 'shock' factor available to us. 'Call me Dave' isn't likely to be much different from Gordon. All this 'hug a hoodie' nonsense, poses by huskies and the general 'feel the love' stuff doesn't work for me. Nor does his 'I love the NHS/State school' thing sit right with me. He's an old Etonian, his wife is the daughter of a Baron and half his cabinet are public school; what he genuinely knows about state schools is something he can probably write on an area the size of a small stamp.

I realise that their son was treated by the NHS but I doubt he knows anyone who went to a state school and they don't measure up to the independant sector by several miles. I honestly think that if he sends his children to state schools, he's just playing the part out for the old Labour voters, and I don't have much respect for politicians who involve their children in their aim to reach No.10.

It might be an idea if 'Call me Dave' gave us some insight into his policies, but as far as I'm aware, they appear to be vague. The fact that he's high in the polls would indicate that people are still stuck in the glamour of it all; voting for someone who looks a little stylish and who has an iota of charisma. So did Hitler, so that shouldn't fool anyone - but it does. Still.

As for the LibDems; OK whilst Charlie Kennedy was leading them, but gone soppy since Clegg took over. He's a good man at heart - I've heard him talk, but he hasn't got any 'ooomph' that I can detect. Also, at their recent Conference they apparantly voted in some motion to condemn Israel for not opening up its borders for aid to reach Gaza - or something like that. This has made me spit - what about the borders with Egypt? I'm wondering how many other nations they've censured which currently have humanitarian crises? All in all, they've appeared to fish about until they can find something - anything - to censure Israel for. Smacks of a strange type of bullying to me; leaping on the 'let's kick Israel' bandwagon without delivering a fatal blow.

If only we had a sensible party that like its own country!:rolleyes:

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[Sharona]

Tonto - I tend to agree with the bit about civil unrest. The Brits are waking up a bit, but so many have lost interest in the political system that they've switched off to ideas on how to remedy things. I believe this was Blair's legacy: he (or Alistair Campbell - whichever) spun like a demented discus to the extent that it became an art form but the consequences are such that no one believes politicians anymore.

The protestors in Luton didn't get the result they wanted. The march-past by the Anglian regiment was known in advance and I believe their little organisation leafleted prior to the arrival of the soldiers, but in a town of some 33,000 Muslims, only those few turned out. That must surely be a hint that the Choudray isn't taking too many scalps in Luton?

Apparently, someone is going to seek the Council's approval for another march by the public in support of the soldiers. If it is allowed to go ahead, then that's going to be telling.