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codedvirus
03-15-2009, 11:30 AM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article5908527.ece
Hate cleric leads jihad cash appeal
Anjem Choudary, who led protests against returning British troops, has urged his followers to send money to 'mujaheddin'

AN Islamic cleric, whose supporters led a hate-filled protest against British troops returning from Iraq, has urged his followers to give cash to front-line mujaheddin fighters.

A recording has emerged of Anjem Choudary, a self-styled sharia judge and former leader of the banned group Al-Muhajiroun, telling his followers to stop spending their money on their families and divert it to Muslim soldiers waging jihad, or holy war.

There were demands for Choudary to be investigated by police. He has previously called for British women to be forced to wear burqas and for adulterers to be killed. Several radical preachers have previously been jailed for urging British Muslims to give money to Al-Qaeda-linked insurgents in Iraq.

The emergence of the tape coincided with the death yesterday of a British soldier in Afghanistan, the 150th to die there since 2001. The soldier of the 2nd battalion, Royal Welsh regiment, was on foot patrol.

Last week Choudary’s followers shouted abuse at soldiers from the Royal Anglian Regiment as they paraded through Luton, calling them “butchers and killers”. Choudary later called the troops “cowards who cannot fight”.

Patrick Mercer, chairman of the Commons subcommittee on counterterrorism, said: “It is crucial that Choudary is investigated by the police and if the evidence stacks up he must be charged.” Geoffrey Bindman, a leading lawyer, said: “There’s an element of ambiguity in the term ‘mujaheddin’ but in the context it’s possible he would be held to be seeking to raise money for terrorist purposes.”

Choudary supporters taped a meeting last year at which he was preaching to disciples. A copy of the recording has been passed to The Sunday Times.

At one point on the tape Choudary says: “People [are] looking for a place for their money to go so they can go to the front line and they can’t find it. You should not think to yourself ‘my money, my money’ . . . you have [an] opportunity to carry da’wah [the spread of Islam] to society . . . and you have money that can go towards the da’wah, you have money that can go towards the mujaheddin. One day you will not have that. Then you will regret the time when you said, ‘When I had that time, when I was with people, I did not invest it properly’.”

Choudary added: “When you are working collectively . . . people supporting the mujaheddin, people collecting money for the da’wah or giving money to the mujaheddin, he [the ‘shaytan’, or devil] will come to you then. He will divert you, he will say to you, ‘This money is needed for your family’.”

When confronted, Choudary said: “I don’t think I’ve ever said to people ‘raise money and send it to Al-Qaeda and the Taliban’, which is what you are suggesting.”

Imam Abdul Jalil Sajid, a leading Muslim cleric, said: “When people like Choudary say mujaheddin, they mean armed struggle against Britain and America.”

Steven
03-15-2009, 11:37 AM
Can't they charge him with treason? They should hang this creep in public.

codedvirus
03-15-2009, 11:47 AM
Our Laws Suck when it come to Islam & Terrorism.

They want the UK to be an Islamic state
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=6031.4420.0.0

Muslim extremists on the streets of England are taunting British troops returning from Iraq with messages such as: “British soldiers … murderers … rapists … not heroes,” the Telegraph.co.uk (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/4991313/Lutons-Muslim-extremists-defy-public-anger.html) reported yesterday. A Muslim preacher staged a demonstration in Luton as returning soldiers paraded through the British town after serving an exhausting tour of duty in Iraq. When locals reacted to the taunting by the Muslim group—which carried signs such as “Butchers of Basra,” “murderers” and “baby-killers”—police cordoned off the protesters—for their own protection. Moreover, since that demonstration, Muslim preachers have continued to spout their vilification of Britain’s soldiers on the streets of Luton. No effort, apparently, has been made on the part of authorities to stop them.

The Sunday Telegraph spoke to the protestors and reported that some

"were born in the UK to parents who came from countries including Pakistan, Bangladesh and Ghana. Others moved to the UK when they were babies or toddlers.

They were brought up and educated in England but, although many live on benefits, they admit their loyalty is not to this country but to Islam. They want the UK to be an Islamic state, with sharia law and women in burkas.

Abu Abdullah, 30, an IT consultant who came to Britain when he was 7, said he left school at 12 and began “Islamic studies.”

He said: “I live here not as a British citizen but as a Muslim living in Britain. I pay tax and I have the right to speak out, to argue for an alternative way of life.” …
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=6031.4420.0.0

Sharona
03-15-2009, 02:40 PM
We don't have capital punishment, Steven...no death penalty. And I'm very glad of that.

Still - I get your drift.

There's a rumour flying about that 'Andy' Choudray is in the pay of MI5:D He's had far too many 'near misses' with the law and there are currently photos of him at University, drinking, spliff-smoking and generally making-merry.

The MI5 thing isn't likely to be true.....but if it gets around..:clap::clap:

Bang goes an extremist (if you pardon the 'bang' pun)

Aviva
03-17-2009, 03:57 AM
We don't have capital punishment, Steven...no death penalty. And I'm very glad of that.

Although we don't have the death penalty anymore, I think treason is an exception. If someone assassinated the Queen, for example, I think they could still legally be hanged for it, in theory.

If the British public were asked what they thought about the death penalty in cases of first degree murder of children/women, (cases such as Ian Huntley, the Yorkshire Ripper, etc), I think the majority would welcome it, to be honest. There's no justice if people like that lanquish in jail with Sky TV and their every wish granted, receiving letters from fans, etc. Other appalling murderers like Harold Shipman and Fred West managed to kill themselves in jail. Murderers of that magnitude expect to die for their crimes.

Sharona
03-17-2009, 04:53 AM
I'd disagree, Aviva - with the death penalty, that is. I have no idea whether the majority of British people would like to see it come back. Personally, I find it barbaric. It's always struck me as strange that the State takes a life to illustrate that it is wrong to take a life.

We've got it plain wrong with some that were hanged (e.g. Timothy Evans) and there's even some doubt over Dr Crippen now, isn't there? To say nothing of Edith Evans and Derek Bentley. Neither of whom killed anyone but were hanged anyway because of some judge's notion of making an example of them.

There have also been too many who have been wrongly convicted and subsequently released. Several women who have been accused of killing their children, like Sally Clark, would have been murdered by the state where in fact, the so-called experts in their cases - like Dr Roy Meadows - were the ones who screwed up. There are numerous cases where faulty evidence at the trial has meant the subsequent release of those who would have qualified for the death penalty if we'd had it.

Sutcliffe was schizophrenic so he wouldn't have been hanged - although he might a few decades ago. As for the others, I honestly don't think life inside is as easy as you think. Prisoners have their own code of ethics and seem to apply it.

Awful thing - I hope we never, ever bring it back.

I know you're talking about a specific crime, but I wouldn't want to see it come back even if someone topped the Queen.

codedvirus
03-17-2009, 04:57 AM
If someone assassinated the Queen, for example, I think they could still legally be hanged for it, in theory.


No, I dont think legally he/she can be hanged. We also have the same laws.

Aviva
03-17-2009, 05:07 AM
Personally, I find it barbaric.

It is barbaric; but in very serious cases of the predatory murder of children and women, those murderers should never be allowed back into society. I think in those cases, the public would prefer to see hated figures like Ian Huntley put to death, however barbaric that seems. The families of victims might feel that no justice has been done unless he's properly punished. Readers of The Sun would certainly agree!

But I do agree about the problem with making errors and for that reason it's lucky we don't have a death penalty for all murderers.

Nevertheless, I do think that prison life should have no luxuries for these people and should be made as hellish as possible. But it's not the case, of course. With the exception of other prisoners trying to assault them, I can't really see what their punishment really consists of. Ian Huntley's on Facebook, gets fanmail and women want to marry him.

Mediocrates
03-17-2009, 06:18 AM
We tend to screw it up, a lot.