Support Israeli Newschannel

[maven]

To update you all on The Campaign For An Israeli International Newschannel.

I am still working away at this but find the Govt. of Israel fairly hard to reach.

I would be grateful if other members could do their bit and write to anyone of any importance or influence that you know in any field who is favourable to the State of Israel to spread this idea.

I enclose a sample letter below which you could use or base your own on.

PLEASE HELP TO GET ISRAEL TO JOIN THE INFORMATION WAR in any way you can,
Regards,
Maven. :unsure:

Subject: Israeli International Newschannel.

Dear............

Israel is currently losing the International 'Information War'.

Al Jazeera English has now been joined by Press TV Iran English which broadcasts around the world on sattelite and is very popular in Europe with students, followers of ME affairs and Western Muslims.

It spews out 24 hours of anti-Israeli propaganda and part sponsored the 'Viva Palestina' Gaza convoy'.

Even a number of left and liberal young Jews in the UK now support it's daily repeated call for the replacement of Israel with a "Non-racist, non-relegious Palestine State with justice for Palestinians and Jews."

I envisage an independent Israeli Newschannel broadcasting from Jerusalem, London and Washington with an English and Arabic service.

If Richard Murdoch were involved it could not only challenge the above stations but the BBC and CNN and other networks often critical of Israel.

Israel must join the 'Information War' to counteract missunderstandings, missrepresentations, missinformation, ignorance and downright lies aimed at her by her enemies in the International media and politics.

I believe that such a station could help to alter perceptions of Israel and Jews in the Middle East as well as elsewhere.

I would be most grateful if you could acknoledge recipt of this email so I know that you have received the idea.

[Sharona]

Thanks Maven.

I suppose a rally of sorts is out of the question?

Or a letter signed by the masses and handed into the Israeli Embassy?

Or even a protest outside the Embassy ?(I think they might actually like one that isn't calling for their heads!)

[Sharona]

Have you thought of sending this letter round to some of the Synagogues? Or perhaps the Jewish schools - there's a lot of support from the lower/upper sixth in Jewish schools and colleges.

[maven]

Have you thought of sending this letter round to some of the Synagogues? Or perhaps the Jewish schools - there's a lot of support from the lower/upper sixth in Jewish schools and colleges.I have made two attempts to contact Mark Regev through the Israeli Embassy in Washington and through the Israel foreign Affairs Ministry without success. I have written to Melanie Phillips who did not answer. That's the problem, trying to reach someone senior enough to take it to government or high media circles. I will write to David Horowitz of the Jerusalem Post next but if you feel contacting the people you list will help please do. After all your Rabbi might have a friend or relative in high places? (I mean apart from God to whom I hope he is very close). :unsure:

[Sharona]

No - no friends in high places, Maven.

He's practically there himself, though. Bless him.

How about the JC? If not an actual contact then a letter seeking support?

Or a petition in a couple of the Jewish communities; a few in North London spring instantly to mind.

[Sharona]

A thought - what about Julia Neuberger?

She's in the Lords now, isn't she?

Surely as a Rabbi she'd at least answer?

[maven]

A thought - what about Julia Neuberger?

She's in the Lords now, isn't she?

Surely as a Rabbi she'd at least answer?Hi Sharona,
I just wrote to David Horovitz editor of the JP. I previously wrote to 'The Jewish Chronicle' who did not have the courtesy to answer.

I have just emailed Rabbi Neuberger who frankly often gets on my nerves, she is so liberal that she is a member of a party dedicated to replacing Israel with a Palestinian State and full of anti-Semites, so I don't expect much joy from her.

Perhaps you might try emailing the Jewish Chronicle? They might take notice of a second request. :unsure:

[Sharona]

Maven - I suspect the only way you'll get anywhere is if you go with a petition and present it to the Israeli embassy.

My experience of these things is that one person seeking answers from those in 'power' (I use the term loosely) are nearly always ignored. When the one person becomes a group and gets press attention, the 'powers' then turn up for the party.

My feeling on this is that it would either work as a door-to-door mini-campaign in Jewish areas or a hanging-about-in-the-street thing - in Jewish areas, of course.

I've tackled 'powers' in the past and this is how it has always been.

Personally, I'd be willing to join a few people who are up for door-knocking/hanging-about.

[Y. Shulamith]

This is a good effort; everyone should try out help out with this one. If there is anything that I can do, personally, please let me know.

The TV is as mighty as the sword in these times, and any and all efforts to convey the news from an Israeli point of view, or even an impartial view, is an important effort nowadays.

[maven]

Maven - I suspect the only way you'll get anywhere is if you go with a petition and present it to the Israeli embassy.

My experience of these things is that one person seeking answers from those in 'power' (I use the term loosely) are nearly always ignored. When the one person becomes a group and gets press attention, the 'powers' then turn up for the party.

My feeling on this is that it would either work as a door-to-door mini-campaign in Jewish areas or a hanging-about-in-the-street thing - in Jewish areas, of course.

I've tackled 'powers' in the past and this is how it has always been.

Personally, I'd be willing to join a few people who are up for door-knocking/hanging-about.Thanks Sharona dear but I live high in the mountains and miles from anywhere. I just wrote a personal email to Steven Pollard, editor of the Jewish Chronicle London. If you know of a school who could get a petition up then you could leave it to them to do the work? They could also approach other schools. Our poor Jewish schoolchildren in the UK study behind bomb-proof doors and prison style fences. Just one phonecall from you could help. :unsure:

[maven]

This is a good effort; everyone should try out help out with this one. If there is anything that I can do, personally, please let me know.

The TV is as mighty as the sword in these times, and any and all efforts to convey the news from an Israeli point of view, or even an impartial view, is an important effort nowadays.Gezunterheyt Shule, if you can think of a congressman or anyone on your side of the water who is influential and contactable it would help. Sharona's idea of getting a Jewish school to petition is a great one especially if they then contact other schools. A petition from your Rabbi and Shul could help. I'm glad that we are making it a forum effort now and I believe when it goes on air we can all know it came from the Israel Forum and history can say we achieved one great thing for Israel and Jews everywhere. :unsure:

[Y. Shulamith]

I will give a try at Sons of Israel.....The Politz Foundation does a lot of work in this direction. They are Orthodox, though. Otherwise, I could try something with the Jewish Community Center or one of the Reform or Conservative Synagogues in our area.

The Congresspersons in our state are very approachable, also.

[maven]

I will give a try at Sons of Israel.....The Politz Foundation does a lot of work in this direction. They are Orthodox, though. Otherwise, I could try something with the Jewish Community Center or one of the Reform or Conservative Synagogues in our area.

The Congresspersons in our state are very approachable, also.:clap: ~FOREVER ISRAEL~

[Sharona]

Maven, I appreciate your difficulties.

I live in an area where there's about one Jew per ten miles:rolleyes: In fact, in the 12th century there was a Jewish massacre here.

But, I am not too far away from the North London area; in fact, I was born and raised in Bushey Heath, which is an area Aviva might know. It's a stone's throw from Stanmore, which again is a Jewish area.

I've got some experience of hanging-around-on-streets plus a bit of door-knocking so if anyone from the UK can join up with me in Nth London, or knows of anyone else who is willing, the offer is still good.

Maven - I'm going to PM you with the name of someone who might prove useful.

[maven]

Maven, I appreciate your difficulties.

I live in an area where there's about one Jew per ten miles:rolleyes: In fact, in the 12th century there was a Jewish massacre here.

But, I am not too far away from the North London area; in fact, I was born and raised in Bushey Heath, which is an area Aviva might know. It's a stone's throw from Stanmore, which again is a Jewish area.

I've got some experience of hanging-around-on-streets plus a bit of door-knocking so if anyone from the UK can join up with me in Nth London, or knows of anyone else who is willing, the offer is still good.

Maven - I'm going to PM you with the name of someone who might prove useful.Thanks Sharona. What I think is that all you need to is convince one school and they could do all the work. I would be very fearful of you taking sigs on a streetcorner in case you ran into one of Evonne Ridley's wolverines though.

I did get you PM but I wonder if it would not be better if someone who knew the person did it? Then they would not wonder who I was? :unsure:

[Sharona]

Maven - a thought. As yet you are getting no responses from the people you have contacted and this makes me wonder. Why not?

Is there a chance that a Newschannel may be seen as being not in Israel's best interests - for whatever reason? We can only see the pro's but I'm wondering what the 'cons' might be.

[maven]

Maven - a thought. As yet you are getting no responses from the people you have contacted and this makes me wonder. Why not?

Is there a chance that a Newschannel may be seen as being not in Israel's best interests - for whatever reason? We can only see the pro's but I'm wondering what the 'cons' might be.Well Sharona, I wrote a few people before Shabbat so don't expect to hear for a few days. The problem is eternal, it is because some brainless bimbo tries to murder every email that they do not have to pass on to their boss.

It is vital to Israel's future. Without a newschannel Israel has no future. Israel is losing the Information War and even many British secular leftist and liberal Jews are turning against it's continued existance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMGuYjt6CP8

[Sharona]

My thoughts are that it is very difficult for something like this to make an impact if it is believed to be the work of one person.

See how it goes post-Shabbat, Maven, and if nothing happens I'd suggest a group approach. That is, dream up a name, get a few supporters, create a letterhead and Bob's your uncle. Job done. It's is really quite amazing to see how people who didn't listen in the past begin to show interest.

[Sharona]

I've had a chance to listen to Kaufmann now.

Is it just me or is there something a little unhealthy in everything that is going on right now? And I don't just mean with Gerald.

I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories - most of them you can drive a truck through if you apply a little critical thinking - but the situation is just looking quite strange at the moment.

One day we'll have the media blasting Israel and the Jews; then the BBC will show a tribute to Anne Frank and another program about the Holocaust. The next week we'll have a reporter inside a meeting where an extremist cleric is ranting; then there will be completely biased pro-Muslim stuff in all the newspapers. We'll have a 'Wasn't the Iranian culture wonderful?' program, followed by another revisiting the Fatwah on Salman Rusdie.

It's like they are being played off against each other with the public getting behind one or other of the two. Like a bizarre football game.

With all that is going on in the world it appears to be these two groups who are getting such odd and constant treatment.

[bararallu]

The "good Jews/bad Jews" juxtaposition has been going on for centuries now. Flattering dead or appeasing Jews while smiting any Jewish self respect, and certainly Jewish self determination, is an age old canard. I remember reading about Moses Mendelssohn, and how initially he was depicted as a disgusting hook nosed Jew... until someone recognized him for a philosopher of standing and associate of the then great philosophers of central Europe. It's more subtle now, but essentially the same. Finkelstein and Chomsky and their ilk allow the gentile anti-Semites to structure their Jew hate carefully and focus their energy on Jewish self determination and ethno-cultural coherency.

[Sharona]

Yes - I agree, up to a point. My husband and I were talking about it only the other day. I get a little cross with him because, as the son of an expelled ME Jewish family, brought up in France, this is all water off a ducks back and nothing seems to ruffle those feathers much. He can't even be bothered to talk about it. 'Same old, same old' is about all you get as he switches on the football or rugby.

I can't really find the words I need to explain why this feels different. Perhaps because the world has changed quite a bit since the last time I recall the 'anti' feeling rising. I don't recall people thinking 'Time to go!' quite as much as they are right now.

Perhaps it's the Iranian/Obama/Cast Lead/Wilders/Ahmed et al. arriving one on top of the other.

[maven]

I've had a chance to listen to Kaufmann now.

Is it just me or is there something a little unhealthy in everything that is going on right now? And I don't just mean with Gerald.

I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories - most of them you can drive a truck through if you apply a little critical thinking - but the situation is just looking quite strange at the moment.

One day we'll have the media blasting Israel and the Jews; then the BBC will show a tribute to Anne Frank and another program about the Holocaust. The next week we'll have a reporter inside a meeting where an extremist cleric is ranting; then there will be completely biased pro-Muslim stuff in all the newspapers. We'll have a 'Wasn't the Iranian culture wonderful?' program, followed by another revisiting the Fatwah on Salman Rusdie.

It's like they are being played off against each other with the public getting behind one or other of the two. Like a bizarre football game.

With all that is going on in the world it appears to be these two groups who are getting such odd and constant treatment.It's very simple Sharona. People will forgive you for launching a war that succeeds but if you mess up the world turns against you. Even though President Bush eventually succeeeded in Iraq he took and still takes a lot of flak for the missmanagement.

People would have accepted a war in which Israel destroyed the power of Hamas in Gaza so that the US and the EU would have been begging Olmert to let the PA back in to provide security.

But people will not forgive a cynical war which needlessly cost Israeli miliitary lives (not that they care about that) but also women and children in Gaza and then ended up being halted so Obama could have a nice day on his inaugeration. A war that achieved nothing.

The government of Israel have thrown petrol on the flames of anti-Semitism and now a fire is raging that threatens to destroy Israel itself. Throughout this disaster while Press TV Iran and Al Jazeera English poured out anti-Israel propaganda and BBC/CNN etc sided with the pals, Israel was silent except for poor Mark Regev who was dragged out of his bed at all times of night to defend Israel.

This is a new era, information is power and the power is against us. If you read my earlier post it gives the argument for Israel to have her own newschannel.

The BBC and other Western media are trying to burn both ends of the candle; express the outrage against Israel while at the same time moving to protect and promote positive images of Jews.

Secular British Jews, especially young people, are turning against the State of Israel in droves.

[bararallu]

Well more theoretically, Jewish emancipation in Europe (which is a relatively recent phenomena) hasn't been reconciled with Jewish self determination and civilizational re-consolidation. And that furthermore needs to be understood in terms of both European ethno-religious history vis-a-vis minorities as well as recent (and I would say failing) drive towards post-nationalism. It's not a simple analysis by no means, I hope I didn't imply it to be such. And the UK is rather different from continental trends (like in France) in many ways- it's more of a true nexus of latter multicultural states like US, Canada, Brazil and Australia and purely ethno-national states like Germany and Poland.

On some level one can make a comparison and on another there is a disconnect. On point the BBC- who knows if it is in anyway a representation of the interest and ideological commitments of the UK public at large. I would think most wouldn't care hearing about Jews one way or the other.

[Sharona]

Maybe I was younger, too, Maven:D Or so caught up in my own world of family and its needs that there wasn't time to speculate.

Because of the work I've recently done, I've seen just how widespread things are below the radar. For example, ideologies which originate from Alice Bailey being taught in schools in the USA - which is perhaps something even their own parents don't realise; and if they did, have they any idea who Bailey was and who is now connected to her organisation? Like Bill Gates and Bill Clinton for example. Not the tiniest cheeses on the board. Her predecessor, Blavatsky, was one of Hitler's 'must have' authors. A copy of her book was found, heavily annotated in his library.

Just 'cos I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me:lol:

[maven]

Maybe I was younger, too, Maven:D Or so caught up in my own world of family and its needs that there wasn't time to speculate.

Because of the work I've recently done, I've seen just how widespread things are below the radar. For example, ideologies which originate from Alice Bailey being taught in schools in the USA - which is perhaps something even their own parents don't realise; and if they did, have they any idea who Bailey was and who is now connected to her organisation? Like Bill Gates and Bill Clinton for example. Not the tiniest cheeses on the board. Her predecessor, Blavatsky, was one of Hitler's 'must have' authors. A copy of her book was found, heavily annotated in his library.

Just 'cos I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get me:lol:You don't need to be parnoid to know that they are out to get you Sharona dear. We have not only to get our message out but this channel could also hold government of Israel to account and hopefully prevent them blundering about by making them argue their case and listen to the advice of others including the diaspora in front of the whole world.

For too long Jews depended on others to provide their security and we got the Holocaust. For too long Jews have allowed others to put the case for and against them and that will lead to another Holocaust.

Time to sail our own well-armed International Media Battleship into the murky waters of the information War. :unsure:

[Sharona]

Maven - how about Trever Asseson?


http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp511.htm

Or even 'Honest Reporting'?

If they showed any inclination to help you could explain that you don't want a profile in this.

I'm going to send out an email or two in the next couple of days, attaching your letter if that's OK.

[Y. Shulamith]

The "good Jews/bad Jews" juxtaposition has been going on for centuries now. Flattering dead or appeasing Jews while smiting any Jewish self respect, and certainly Jewish self determination, is an age old canard. I remember reading about Moses Mendelssohn, and how initially he was depicted as a disgusting hook nosed Jew... until someone recognized him for a philosopher of standing and associate of the then great philosophers of central Europe. It's more subtle now, but essentially the same. Finkelstein and Chomsky and their ilk allow the gentile anti-Semites to structure their Jew hate carefully and focus their energy on Jewish self determination and ethno-cultural coherency.

Mendelssohn was a self-hating Jewish idiot who thought that Jews could assimilate into German society and be accepted as full Germans, with all the rights and privileges accorded them.

In fact, the more Jews try to assimilate and out gentile the gentiles, the more they are hated and loathed and the holocaust, with all of the reasons that it did happen, Jew loathing didn't go away ever and, in fact, the more Jews tried to appear gentile, the more they became people who were disrespected, hated, ferreted out for special loathing and brought to genocide.

[maven]

Maven - how about Trever Asseson?


http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp511.htm

Or even 'Honest Reporting'?

If they showed any inclination to help you could explain that you don't want a profile in this.

I'm going to send out an email or two in the next couple of days, attaching your letter if that's OK.Thanks Sharona, Anything you can do to help but as I say better 'keep to keep it in the family' and just contact individuals rather than going public. I've sent a second email to Mark Regev today through the Washington Embassy, looks like the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Jerusalem did'nt forward the last one. I also wrote Debkafile who are a very odd bunch and you never know if the email even went through or not, they certainly never answer. you could indeed try 'Honest reporting' they may have a contact. Keep up the good work! :unsure:

[maven]

Maven - how about Trever Asseson?


http://www.jcpa.org/jl/vp511.htm

Or even 'Honest Reporting'?

If they showed any inclination to help you could explain that you don't want a profile in this.

I'm going to send out an email or two in the next couple of days, attaching your letter if that's OK.Thanks Sharona, Anything you can do to help but as I say better 'keep to keep it in the family' and just contact individuals rather than going public. I've sent a second email to Mark Regev today through the Washington Embassy, looks like the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Jerusalem did'nt forward the last one. I also wrote Debkafile who are a very odd bunch and you never know if the email even went through or not, they certainly never answer. you could indeed try 'Honest reporting' they may have a contact. Keep up the good work! I'll email Trevor Asserson.

Please do use the letter, thanks again. :unsure:

[Oberon]

I sent an email with your post and a link here to a couple of people, but I don't know whether it will get through or not, but in any case such a News Channel is a good idea.


I also wrote Debkafile who are a very odd bunch and you never know if the email even went through or not, they certainly never answer.

I suspect they are Spooks of one sort or another, at least they strike me that way, not that I have a problem with their info, I don't know of anything I've read there that was false or misleading that I know of, but I doubt they respond to the public, at least they don't strike me as the type of organization that will respond, assuming it's not just some guy in his basement.

[maven]

I sent an email with your post and a link here to a couple of people, but I don't know whether it will get through or not, but in any case such a News Channel is a good idea.



I suspect they are Spooks of one sort or another, at least they strike me that way, not that I have a problem with their info, I don't know of anything I've read there that was false or misleading that I know of, but I doubt they respond to the public, at least they don't strike me as the type of organization that will respond, assuming it's not just some guy in his basement.Thanks Oberon.

[maven]

Thanks Newsguy for posting this on the Israeli Forum Newsdesk:

Arabs did to Israel what Borat did to Kazakhstan'
Dateline: 2009-06-09 03:45:02 PT
Arab public relations efforts in Europe and the United States have cast Israelis in an inaccurate light, a top Israeli public relations official said on Tuesday. ......
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1091560.html

I have posted an email to Mr Ido Aharoni of 'Brand Israel' at the Ministry of foreign Affairs in Israel and received an answer. Mr Ahroni seems to be supportive of the idea. At least it has reached him and the discussion of an Israeli International Newschannel is surely now on the table in the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, G-d willing it will happen.