The OBAMA DECEPTION

[sunshine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

i like it that they are calling obama what he is, but the main historian in this is a 9/11 denier he thinks the government was behind it

but still interesting

if they believe its this NWO crap does that mean the guys who made this believe the jews are trying to take over the world and nonsense like that ?

[sunshine]

i think i may have to apologize

when i posted this i was 10 minutes in, and i was under the impression this was simply showing everyone obamas secrets

but its actually about the new world order and how a group of people are trying to take over the world... hmmm not for me

[redcake]

The creator is a nutjob named Alex Jones who has promoted a number of 9/11 conspiracy theories.

At least you have the common sense to figure out it's a little loony.

[Sharona]

At least you have the common sense to figure out it's a little loony.

But you also have to factor in the zillions of people who believe it's all true. Especially the Alex Jones's of the conspiracy world who believe the Illuminati are behind it all. The Jewish Illuminati, of course.

If you add these people plus those who have signed up to some New Age beliefs, it's not exactly a pro-Jewish group you're looking at.

[bararallu]

Aside from being a conspiracy nut, Alex Jones is a known paleocon. He's associated with a number of interesting people who (while not all new age related by no means) are dead set against Jews, and Israel- people like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan.

[sunshine]

yes i really apologize

i saw the title and the first 10 minutes i was hoping to see them proving he was a muslim maybe with interviews of his old teachers etc etc etc

then i saw the protesters and the 9/11 inside job signs

and i felt well rather stupid, i knew from that moment on this was a conspiracy theory

NWO bullshit

[Sharona]

Aside from being a conspiracy nut, Alex Jones is a known paleocon. He's associated with a number of interesting people who (while not all new age related by no means) are dead set against Jews, and Israel- people like Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan.

We have our own, home-grown, 'Alex' in the form of David Icke.

He maintains that George Bush, Boxcar Willy, Rothschild/Rockefeller, the Queen Mother and the Queen - to name but a few - are shape-shifting lizards. Princess Diana's death was a sacrifice to the 'dark' forces that govern the world. I've read comments from Icke's wife that suggest their crusade also includes holocaust denial. One of his biggest catchphrases is 'Problem, Reaction, Solution'; this means that behind the scenes the government create a problem which makes the public react and beg them to find the solution. The solution is actually the very thing the government have been wanting to implement but realised would not be popular.

He bangs on about us being 'sheeple' who just believe what we are told. This is quite amusing because Icke has (surprise, surprise!) never seen anyone he claims to be a lizard actually shape-shift. His followers don't seem to realise that in the scorn they heap upon the non-followers, they, too are 'sheeple', swallowing everything Icke says.

I had to laugh, though, because I read somewhere that Rothschild ( or it might be Rockefeller) actually gets quite depressed because so many people think he's a 12' lizard. Icke's shape-shifting talk makes Alex Jones call him a nutjob - which shows you how bizarre Icke is. And yet his tours are sell-outs wherever he goes.

Laughing aside, though, there is a worrying number of avenues quite apart from extremist muslims who are doing their utmost to scapegoat Jews again.

[sunshine]

brilliant so your telling me this icke character is so out there that even alex jones says hes lost it

classic

whats interetsing is no matter what side of the political spectrum or in this case 'non partisan' lines a person takes, they always root problems with the jews

[Dorothy]

The movement toward a international government has been going on gradually for almost a hundred years, one government step at a time. The network of the knowledgeable is huge. Granted there has to be international cooperation in this shrinking world, but all of the steps appear to be taken behind the scenes, not covered by the media whose job it is to entertain rather than report and teach.

How to deal with the individuals who have started to sniff around and aren't happy with what they learn is the job of disinformation agents, planted by the same networks mentioned above. Most people are too lazy to do any research on their own. They depend on the efforts of others who seem to know more than they do. Alex Jones is one of the agents. He takes real information, mixes it with lies and wacko ideas and the followers don't have a clue as to what is true and what isn't. From this he somehow makes a living, although it is impossible to know where his money comes from. While more careful researchers and those who know nothing of what is going on totally dismiss him, he serves a larger purpose in deflecting a search for what actually is going on. He's colorful, sounds sincere, appears to know a lot and that's enough for many people. They point to things that they learn from other sources are true and assume the rest is true. The reality is that they are kept in the dark. There are other websites and individuals who work the same crowd of people who want to know more. Another reason it works is that those seeking further information don't know where to go to get information about the changes going on, and if they do, they are in no position to analyze the think tank, government, policy, etc. papers they would have to search. Gossip works for them better than nothing at all.

David Icke is another disinformation agent who networks between the militia and New Age movement. He is a charming British guy who has written many books with strange conspiracy theories and put out many tapes which are sold at New Age bookstores. Again those who only know a little search his stuff for more information while the knowledgeable and those who know nothing dismiss him. His game regarding the Jews is to state he's not going after all of the Jews, only the traitors who are selling out small fry. It's a game others put on the table. By the way, shape shifting is a heavy occult idea, something those in the occult would recognize as proof that Icke knows what he's talking about.

Granted a large majority of individuals are not antisemitic. They have no reason to be. The danger is that they know little about Jews and the Jewish community, many never having met a Jew in person. Thus they are open to those bringing in antisemitic ideas by implication. It starts with "Could it be possible?" and cements with "You have proof?" The larger the network bringing these ideas into the underground information stream, the more the danger to Jews. As New Age ideas have infiltrated so many parts of the community, it is impossible that any individual can monitor all of the sources of antisemitism. I have yet to see any of the mainstream Jewish organizations being able to monitor the changes taking place. If they are doing it, they are keeping the information to themselves.

[Y. Shulamith]

Obama is doing a fine job and hasn't made idiots out of us like George did, again and again. Israel isn't being tossed into the ocean and all the fear mongering in the world isn't going to change the realities of the situation.

Obamaphobism is a sickness of the mind and here on this board, there is a lot of tunnel vision that doesn't allow people to see the forrest for the trees, indeed.

[Yala]

Obama is clearly anti-Israel. Any Jew still supporting him is an ostrich.

[Y. Shulamith]

Obama is trying to attain parity in the M.E., situation and have the USA maintain integrity as an honest broker, but actually, there won't be any real movement in any negotiations, anyway. The status quo will remain, IMO, no matter what else prevails.

*puts head back in the ground*

[bararallu]

puts head back in the ground
lol

[Sharona]

brilliant so your telling me this icke character is so out there that even alex jones says hes lost it


Yes - It's the lizards that make the difference between them:D Apart from that they are basically the same.

Jones gets the needle with Icke because the moment the latter bangs on about the shape-shifting activities of the Queen mum et al, many people switch off to Jones' work too.

Perhaps they ought to have pistols at dawn, eh?:D

[redcake]

Obamaphobism is a sickness of the mind and here on this board......

You know the joke that goes something along the lines of "it's not paranoia if everyone is really against you?"...well, pretty much every crazy prediction put forth on this forum has either came true 3 months into Obama's term, or has become plausible. You have yet to defend Obama's actions beyond blaming the last President as if it was a catch all excuse. Come back when you really want to defend Obama's own policies, and hypocrisy. You can't. Nobody can.

As for Alex Jones, unless you spent time on the internet debating nutjobs during the past 8 years,(or happened to live in Austin, Texas) there's no reason to know who he is. To be clear, up until a few months ago, his "media company" produced a radio show for celebrated antisemite Jeff Rense.

[Y. Shulamith]

I have nothing to defend because there isn't anything wrong going on. Sorry to disappoint.

[bararallu]

Shulamith, you've already made statements otherwise at least a month back... just sayin.

eg., Do you agree with Obama's administration linking virtually *any* action against Iranian nuclear ambitions with the pali-Israeli peace process?

[Yala]

I was hoping that Obama was at least in the middle so far as Israel went. I guess that isn't so. Oh well, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.


http://www.israelforum.com/board/showpost.php?p=297334&postcount=14

[Y. Shulamith]

Eh, the middle east situation just stays the same. Administrations come and go but things relative to Israel stay in the status quo. I don't expect any different with Obama and anything he might try to make things different. The middle east is a stalemate and it's gonna stay that way for a real long time, IMO, Obama, Clinton or not. Nothing much changes there; Arafat dies, King Hussein dies, Sharon is done for, and it all stays just about the same. A small war here and a small war there, a soldier kidnapped here and there, a rocket or two here and there, nothing changes...

[redcake]

So basically you're saying you have no knowledge or care for the history of Israel over the last 60 years? No changes? Really? Really? One only has to look at the Post-Clinton era alone to see drastic change in the situation.

Wait, let me outline a few...
- Palestinians have diplomatic status and billions in banks in Israel, and Swiss banks.
_ US has sent buckets of cash to Palestinians.
- Gaza City was built from scratch, populated with millions, and the remainder of Gaza was awarded to a bunch of Arab immigrants for the purposes of war, all under the guise of creating a country.
- A fringe Arab terror group became a ruling party.
- Long range rockets raining down on Israel daily.
-World opinion has terrorists painted as victims.
- Supporters of Israel are routinely branded as "racists" and "nazis".

These are all relatively new, and drastic developments which emerged during Clinton. You tell me which of these is inconsequential.

Now you tell me which one of this will go away during Obama's tenure.

[Y. Shulamith]

So basically you're saying you have no knowledge or care for the history of Israel over the last 60 years? No changes? Really? Really? One only has to look at the Post-Clinton era alone to see drastic change in the situation.

Wait, let me outline a few...
- Palestinians have diplomatic status and billions in banks in Israel, and Swiss banks.
_ US has sent buckets of cash to Palestinians.
- Gaza City was built from scratch, populated with millions, and the remainder of Gaza was awarded to a bunch of Arab immigrants for the purposes of war, all under the guise of creating a country.
- A fringe Arab terror group became a ruling party.
- Long range rockets raining down on Israel daily.
-World opinion has terrorists painted as victims.
- Supporters of Israel are routinely branded as "racists" and "nazis".

These are all relatively new, and drastic developments which emerged during Clinton. You tell me which of these is inconsequential.

Now you tell me which one of this will go away during Obama's tenure.


Things don't really change.....there was always a problem with the Arabs, there always will be one. Jews have been excorciated back through time immemorial. World opinion has never truly been in favor of Jews, only perhaps a slight twinge of shame over the Shoah, and not that much at that, supporters of Israel were never held at anyone's bosom. Israel and the Jews have always been held at an arms length. Arafat ran into the UN and waved his stupid "olive branch" and no one did anything about that then. The Achille Lauro wasn't yesterday....neither was Black September and the massacre in Munich. Certain folks give lip service to the horrors of this, that and the other thing, but it's all disengenuous and there isn't any talking to Jew haters. They hate Jews from there core, like a sickness of the brain. All Jews can do is walk softly and carry a big stick.

It's like, things have never been good for Jews; not in Eastern Europe at the turn of the century, not in Europe after Hitler's rise, not during the entire history of Jews getting tossed out of almost every country in Europe. Tell me when things were so great, that things NOW are so not great? I mean, there isn't a time when things were really good for Jews. The miracle of it all, is that Jews have been able to survive, not that they didn't all survive. The miracle is that any Jews still exist and that Jews still are able to somehow find a way to persevere.

I am a realist and I don't think that things were ever good, nor will Jews be treated with respect and parity. It just ain't gonna happen because I have dealt with these ignorant people who are horribly virulent anti-semites and there isn't any talking to these creeps. You can't make a silk purse out of these sow's ears (general hoi polloi). People are what they are and lots of them blame Jews, hate Jews, think Jews run the world, have never met a Jew, yet think they know all about Jews. It's a crazy thing, and a crazy world.

Everyone has their own agenda and if Jew hating has worked so wonderfully for gentiles, I guess they will remain Jew haters and Jews, as a whole, need to be able to deal with it for there is no talking sense when it comes to anti-semitism.

[redcake]

So I guess your point is to concede to apathy and turn a blind eye to what the guy you voted for is doing today. Makes perfect sense.