The Iranian Underground has exploded!

[orangeblossom]

Been watching them over the internet for years. You see, this is important: People, NO MATTER what faith, decree, notions, etc...will elect the idea of Freedom and Democracy.

Another group, can not surpress others for a long time. They get tired, sick of it, etc. Governments, parties, contracts, negotiations can appease something, but never stop it from coming.

So, I have been twitting...chaning my timezone to Iranian, etc. Re-posting and re-pasting what they send out. Doing my part on slamming American Weak media; and our whatever president. The supreme leader can say whatever he wants....he is but a 'supreme thug.'

Even if Mousavi was not that democractic....he is ushered unto another level and must match it. It is now a revolution for democracy.

I say...kudos for Iranians! The youth is doing a great job!

I think about 4 years ago, i was on some forum talking about these revolutionary iranian groups. I said, listen to them. I am thrilled to see them out on the street now. Just SIMPLY THRILLED!

Love it!:rock:

[bararallu]

Once the Iranian coffers close to the Hizharra we'll be a lot more thrilled :)

[MGB8]

Lebanon maybe more than Israel has a huge stake in the Iranian people regaining their freedom. The Iranian nuclear program will go on, no matter what happens with this movement. But what won't go on if the Iranian people win over their Mullah-masters is the sending of billions of dollars of weapons and financing to Hezbollah, as opposed to spending that money at home for Iran. And that means that a party of 11 MP's won't be able to as easily dominate the rest of Lebanon. Not to mention the weakening of Syria in that wake.

But, ultimately, this is about Iran and the Iranian people, and not about the Israelis, Americans or Lebanese. They deserve to be governed only by those who they consent to be governed by.

Been watching them over the internet for years. You see, this is important: People, NO MATTER what faith, decree, notions, etc...will elect the idea of Freedom and Democracy.

Another group, can not surpress others for a long time. They get tired, sick of it, etc. Governments, parties, contracts, negotiations can appease something, but never stop it from coming.

So, I have been twitting...chaning my timezone to Iranian, etc. Re-posting and re-pasting what they send out. Doing my part on slamming American Weak media; and our whatever president. The supreme leader can say whatever he wants....he is but a 'supreme thug.'

Even if Mousavi was not that democractic....he is ushered unto another level and must match it. It is now a revolution for democracy.

I say...kudos for Iranians! The youth is doing a great job!

I think about 4 years ago, i was on some forum talking about these revolutionary iranian groups. I said, listen to them. I am thrilled to see them out on the street now. Just SIMPLY THRILLED!

Love it!:rock:

[Y. Shulamith]

iT WILL BE ISRAEL'S FAULT, THE JEWS FAULT, THE FAULT OF USA AND/OR ZIONISM.

C'mon how long do you give it??

[shravan]

THE FAULT OF USA

Obama - The Change We Need ......:p

[Y. Shulamith]

Obama - The Change We Need ......:p

Damn straight, life is change after all.......:D

[shravan]

Damn straight, life is change after all.......:D

Obama: Iran's leaders must stop all `violent and unjust actions' amid postelection crackdown (http://www.startribune.com/politics/48680642.html?elr=KArks:DCiUMEaPc:UiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU )
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"We call on the Iranian government to stop all violent and unjust actions against its own people," Obama said in a written statement. "The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights."
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"Suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away," the president said, recalling a theme from the speech he gave in Cairo, Egypt, this month.

"The Iranian people will ultimately judge the actions of their own government," Obama said. "If the Iranian government seeks the respect of the international community, it must respect the dignity of its own people and govern through consent, not coercion."
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[maven]

Been watching them over the internet for years. You see, this is important: People, NO MATTER what faith, decree, notions, etc...will elect the idea of Freedom and Democracy.

Another group, can not surpress others for a long time. They get tired, sick of it, etc. Governments, parties, contracts, negotiations can appease something, but never stop it from coming.

So, I have been twitting...chaning my timezone to Iranian, etc. Re-posting and re-pasting what they send out. Doing my part on slamming American Weak media; and our whatever president. The supreme leader can say whatever he wants....he is but a 'supreme thug.'

Even if Mousavi was not that democractic....he is ushered unto another level and must match it. It is now a revolution for democracy.

I say...kudos for Iranians! The youth is doing a great job!

I think about 4 years ago, i was on some forum talking about these revolutionary iranian groups. I said, listen to them. I am thrilled to see them out on the street now. Just SIMPLY THRILLED!

Love it!:rock:my sentiments exactly. :unsure:

[Y. Shulamith]

Sure great stuff, this youth, but what about the lunatics who overthrew the Shah of Iran (whether or not he was this, that or the other thing); and ushered in the Age of Religious lunatics, so that their children could suffer the pains of hell under the current regime of nutcases?

Where is ma and pa in this? Still voting for the current regime, I would imagine!

[Y. Shulamith]

Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki accused Britain of sending spies to manipulate the election, blasted France for "treacherous and unjust approaches" and said Germany had unfairly criticized Iran's government

I was wrong this time; they are blaming the UK for their troubles....:D

[shravan]

Sure great stuff, this youth, but what about the lunatics who overthrew the Shah of Iran
U.S. policies led to Iran revolt, study says
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/17/world/fg-shah17

A report based on declassified documents suggests that the Nixon and Ford administrations, angry with the shah for his support for raising oil prices, worked to curb his ambitions.
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The report, after two years of research by scholar Andrew Scott Cooper, zeros in on the role of White House policymakers -- including Donald H. Rumsfeld, then a top aide to President Ford -- hoping to roll back oil prices and curb the shah's ambitions, despite warnings by then-Secretary of State Henry Kissinger that such a move might precipitate the rise of a "radical regime" in Iran.
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The report, based mostly on documents stored at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library in Ann Arbor, Mich., opens a window on an unruly period more than 30 years ago that precipitated Iran's 1979 Islamic Revolution, which established a template for religiously inspired Muslim movements throughout the Middle East.
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Chief among those advocating pressure on Iran was William Simon, who served as Treasury secretary and energy czar under the Nixon and Ford administrations. He blamed the shah for high oil prices and wanted the U.S. to use weapons sales to Tehran as leverage.
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Over the years, Kissinger advocated a friendlier line on Iran and the shah, who had been brought back to power by a U.S.-engineered coup in 1953. The report suggests that Kissinger had special insights into the country's instability. At the time, university campuses in Iran were in turmoil, and guerrillas were attacking U.S. facilities and assassinating key officials. Even in 1974, a CIA analysis sounded the alarm, saying the shah's ambitious buildup of the country was causing economic polarization and cultural clashes that were roiling Iran.
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But U.S. officials, especially Simon, had been working with Saudi officials behind the shah's back to seek help on oil prices in exchange for political and military support for the Arab kingdom. The Saudis stunned OPEC by announcing at a December summit in Doha, Qatar, that they would boost production to 11.6 million barrels a day from 8.6 million barrels, driving down prices.
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http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/17/world/fg-shah17
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[Y. Shulamith]

Oh please, let's blame the people who did the overthrowing.....the Iranian people because that's squarely where the blame lies; the USA is a handy excuse, just like the Gazans who blame the Israeli's for their own damn actions and resultant fall-out.

[shravan]

the USA is a handy excuse, j
In this case the US played a Major Role.

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The article is worth reading.

[Y. Shulamith]

In this case the US played a Major Role.

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The article is worth reading.

See what they got for their troubles!!!:D

[shravan]

See what they got for their troubles!!!:D

Obama - The Change We Need ......:p

[Y. Shulamith]

Obama is letting the cards fall where they may and that's a good thing. Let the Iranians get themselves out of the mess they or their parents got themselves into.

We should have let the Iraqi's do the same thing for themselves, if they wanted freedom so damn bad. We didn't need to pay for it with our blood and our money!!!

[shravan]

Obama is letting the cards fall where they may and that's a good thing. Let the Iranians get themselves out of the mess they or their parents got themselves into.

When real politics start it does not matter if it is Obama or Bush.

"The universal rights to assembly and free speech must be respected, and the United States stands with all who seek to exercise those rights."

This message is also a warning to China.

We should have let the Iraqi's do the same thing for themselves, if they wanted freedom so damn bad.

They wanted freedom ? That's new to me.

[orangeblossom]

I hope u all are twittering....and have changed ur time zone to Tehran. It is not much to do, on one website. takes 2 seconds.

I have read the posts. We have 'good for Iran' and 'oh wells.'

Addressing those 'oh wells.' : You need to take a step up on politics. Do you think in truth people wanted to give up their freedom to a select group the West approved? Why so many Iranians moved to West? Do you not se them protesting in the streets today from LA to Paris? There is always some deal on the back table. Being a leader in politics is a tough job, and sometimes ppl are sold out.

Addressing to 'good for Iran,' : I have seen the pics of these kids for years. Been gng on for a long time, surpressing. I am thrilled at this point, but I am shocked at the international community. They all throw words at Iran, but no heart.

This is how I see Bush: "Hell ya man!" Screw this dick.

This is how I see Obama: I have my career. I sit and wait....to see how I look the best.


But, my PERSEPCTIVE IS DIFFERENT! I live with MUSLIMS and muslim countries. I won my election against Dicktatorships( notice my spelling). Lebanon, will never be islamic like Hasouna wants.

So, fighting alongside a muslim for freedom is OK and easy for me. I se their pain too.

I am pro-relvolution in Iran, and will help all I can. In Lebanon, I am suporting NOT LETTING HEZBOLLAH get VETO power. And bare in mind...Hasouna is starting this now, to distract us from Iran.

OB.

[MGB8]

+3:30 GMT and location Tehran for Twitter, folks.

Also, sad to see how petro-centric US foreign policy has been (and continues to be) - and yet we continue to refuse to drill ON OUR ON SOIL! Or use coal the way we could. Or develop our Nuclear industry by stalling it with a system that allows 8-10 years of lawsuit delay.

[takeo]

Obama - The Change We Need ......:p

Mousavi presented himself as the Iranian Obama. According to analysers Obama plays a role in all this. Since Obama came to power the US is no longer perceived as an ennemy in many muslim countries, and as I said in the past, the mullah regime really needs an external ennemy to legitimise its rule.

[takeo]

Obama is letting the cards fall where they may and that's a good thing. Let the Iranians get themselves out of the mess they or their parents got themselves into.

We should have let the Iraqi's do the same thing for themselves, if they wanted freedom so damn bad. We didn't need to pay for it with our blood and our money!!!

of course, a bit late but finally you made the right conclusion.

[shravan]

Since Obama came to power the US is no longer perceived as an ennemy in many muslim countries

This is new to me.

and as I said in the past, the mullah regime really needs an external ennemy to legitimise its rule.

Like America ?

[takeo]

This is new to me.



Like America ?

Yes, anti-americanism is the main theme of the regime, since th beginning.

[shravan]

Yes, anti-americanism is the main theme of the regime, since th beginning.

They will be blessed with the Needed Change Soon....:)

[Madeline]

I hope u all are twittering....and have changed ur time zone to Tehran. It is not much to do, on one website. takes 2 seconds.

I have read the posts. We have 'good for Iran' and 'oh wells.'

Addressing those 'oh wells.' : You need to take a step up on politics. Do you think in truth people wanted to give up their freedom to a select group the West approved? Why so many Iranians moved to West? Do you not se them protesting in the streets today from LA to Paris? There is always some deal on the back table. Being a leader in politics is a tough job, and sometimes ppl are sold out.

Addressing to 'good for Iran,' : I have seen the pics of these kids for years. Been gng on for a long time, surpressing. I am thrilled at this point, but I am shocked at the international community. They all throw words at Iran, but no heart.

This is how I see Bush: "Hell ya man!" Screw this dick.

This is how I see Obama: I have my career. I sit and wait....to see how I look the best.


But, my PERSEPCTIVE IS DIFFERENT! I live with MUSLIMS and muslim countries. I won my election against Dicktatorships( notice my spelling). Lebanon, will never be islamic like Hasouna wants.

So, fighting alongside a muslim for freedom is OK and easy for me. I se their pain too.

I am pro-relvolution in Iran, and will help all I can. In Lebanon, I am suporting NOT LETTING HEZBOLLAH get VETO power. And bare in mind...Hasouna is starting this now, to distract us from Iran.

OB.

Ok, I am thinking that this election was a farce. I am thinking that there isn't much difference between Mousavi and Ahmadinejad. Both are under the thumb of the Mullah's, and the idea was to create a display of democracy for the sake of the western world....but now it has gotten out of hand.
Ahmadinejad's grand standing may be, in a way, letting BHO off the hook....a reward for not (really) interfering..., knowing that he would never succeed in improving relations with Iran, open talks with tea, or without.
So, basically, one hand washes the other. To bad that those who truly seek freedom from tyranny will be severely punished. The world stands idly by, the left keeps making excuses for tyrants while wallowing in the freedom given by those who came before them, so despised by them, the true Patriots, the ones who were willing to make, and often made, the ultimate sacrifice.
GWB said many times that freedom is a God given right, and right he is.

[Yala]

2009 Revolution over. It was cool while it lasted.

[Mediocrates]

They didn't pick a good color. Maybe the next one will be the Purple Revolution. Purple like the flash of gamma radiation from a supercritical plutonium fission cascade.

[shravan]

2009 Revolution over. It was cool while it lasted.

If that true then Neda a beautiful young Women wasted her life for nothing.

[Mediocrates]

Better that then the Uranium Underground Exploding.

[Kenneth]

As security forces mow down innocent people the Iranian news channels have started to refer to the protesters as terrorists and Ahmadinejad is still harping on about American and British interference - what interference?

I hope this all ends with Ahmadinejad & Co. getting kicked to death in the streets.

[dayag]

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GWB said many times that freedom is a God given right, and right he is.

G-d giveth, and the Mullahs backed by the military, police, and revolutionary guard taketh away.

:tdown:

[Turkishdude]

Lebanon maybe more than Israel has a huge stake in the Iranian people regaining their freedom. The Iranian nuclear program will go on, no matter what happens with this movement. But what won't go on if the Iranian people win over their Mullah-masters is the sending of billions of dollars of weapons and financing to Hezbollah, as opposed to spending that money at home for Iran That's incorrect. First, it's not "billions of dollars", and second; nowadays, Hezbollah generates most of their income through business.

[Turkishdude]

I was wrong this time; they are blaming the UK for their troubles....:D
Hmm, so you have a problem with Iran blaming others for their problems? That's weird since Israel does the same. It's a brutal occupier and yet blames Hamas, Hezbollah and the entire Islamic world for all the violence in the region.

[Madeline]

Hmm, so you have a problem with Iran blaming others for their problems? That's weird since Israel does the same. It's a brutal occupier and yet blames Hamas, Hezbollah and the entire Islamic world for all the violence in the region.
Its Takeos Turkish brother folks....another one to add to my ignore list for sure.

[Turkishdude]

Oh please, let's blame the people who did the overthrowing.....the Iranian people because that's squarely where the blame lies; the USA is a handy excuse, just like the Gazans who blame the Israeli's for their own damn actions and resultant fall-out.
You strangle people in Gaza economically, you don't allow people from going in and out of Gaza, and yet blame them when they fire a few primitive rockets? Wow, just wow.

[Turkishdude]

Its Takeos Turkish brother folks....another one to add to my ignore list for sure.
What kind of reply is that? Are you for real?

[redcake]

You strangle people in Gaza economically, you don't allow people from going in and out of Gaza, and yet blame them when they fire a few primitive rockets? Wow, just wow.

When a few is actually a few thousand, and they're state sponsored as part of a larger long term genocide program...then yes, we blame them. Consider that at a minimum, 90% of the population in Gaza immigrated there AFTER 1967, and that Egypt also had to block their travel to and from Gaza....and figure it out.

[Yala]

You strangle people in Gaza economically, you don't allow people from going in and out of Gaza, and yet blame them when they fire a few primitive rockets? Wow, just wow.

So you wouldn't mind one of these "primitive" rockets being shot at you, huh?

[MGB8]

That's incorrect. First, it's not "billions of dollars", and second; nowadays, Hezbollah generates most of their income through business.

You are right, it's *only* hundreds of millions per year. :rolleyes

That makes *so much* difference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funding_of_Hezbollah

But wait! You also have the supplying of weapons.. how much money is that worth? And training of terrorists who hide behind their women in hospitals and schools while aiming rockets at population centers hoping to murder Jewish children... How much is that worth?

As for how much Hezbollah makes from it's "businesses" (hmm..... Hashish anyone)- how about you provide some reliable sources, or retract your statement and apologize to the forum?

[MGB8]

You strangle people in Gaza economically, you don't allow people from going in and out of Gaza, and yet blame them when they fire a few primitive rockets? Wow, just wow.

Yeah... you are an idiot.

Israel doesn't strangle Gaza. Gazans could get out via Egypt, but Egypt doesn't want to destabilize their country.

Meanwhile, despite the fact that the Gazan government has declared war until eternity on Israel, Israel idiotically supplies them with food, medicine, and energy. They should cut all of that off.

If Hamas wants war with Israel, let them have war. No assistance. No kindness. Treatment like any enemy state treats another enemy statement. If they want war, they better not depend on Israel for anything - let them die, or make peace. But Hamas isn't willing to do that.

And idiot liberals, who don't believe in accountability if that accountability means being accountable for killing Jews, encourage them. And yes, turkishdude, I am saying that you encourage Jew-murder and are more or less a Jew hater.

[bararallu]

I second that assessment. And I hope people don't go on off on Turkey and make it one of those treads because this doofus calls himself "Turkishdude". There is no doubt a reason why he's in Europe: the Turks don't want him. He's obviously a hate monger and an agent provocateur, like the Russian Nationalist Socialist that frequents here as well.

[Madeline]

I second that assessment. And I hope people don't go on off on Turkey and make it one of those treads because this doofus calls himself "Turkishdude". There is no doubt a reason why he's in Europe: the Turks don't want him. He's obviously a hate monger and an agent provocateur, like the Russian Nationalist Socialist that frequents here as well.

Like I said, takeo's brother or cousin perhaps? But the dude didn't catch on...

[bararallu]

Like I said, takeo's brother or cousin perhaps? But the dude didn't catch on...

yep, cousins-@-hate at worst.

[MGB8]

I second that assessment. And I hope people don't go on off on Turkey and make it one of those treads because this doofus calls himself "Turkishdude". There is no doubt a reason why he's in Europe: the Turks don't want him. He's obviously a hate monger and an agent provocateur, like the Russian Nationalist Socialist that frequents here as well.

It was a little harsh of me. That said, I just have so little tolerance of stupid lefty Israel talking points. First, we essentially had a pre-Hezbollah post. That was subsequently followed by a post which condemned Israel for its relations with Hamasstan in Gaza, which made no mention of the fact that the elected and supported-by-the-people government has declared unending war on Israel - namely, no recognition, no peace.

He also ignores Egypt's role (and the periodically do open the border) and somehow puts all the responsibility on Israel to provide for a people who, instead of building a society, import, build, and fire rockets at Jewish children. Oh, they also seem to forget that when Israel has oppened crossings (even with Hamas in charge), the quick result has been attacks on those crossings. And it *is* anti-Semitic to not allow Jews to defend themselves in the same way that you would allow other nations to defend themselves... to suggest that Jews should just die or leave, that Jews, unlike everyone else, do not have a right to defend themselves, including to counter attack.

He argued that Gazans have the right to murder because Israel doesn't allow as many goods in as it could (to a country dedicated to Israel's destruction)... but Israel has no right to fire back when it's city's are targetted by hundreds of rockets. yes, that's Jew-hatred - maybe not overt, but Jew-hatred.

[Yala]

Hezbollah generates most of their income through business.

Blood diamonds and the drug trade...some party of G-d.

[Mil]

I guess all those primitive explosions from imaginary Kurds and their insistence of an independent Kurdish homeland also does not exist. We can can very much discuss Turkish humanism... if certain Turkish members on this particular thread desire.

[Yala]

Turkishdude is actually against Turkish nationalism. I remember that from a while back.

[Madeline]

Turkishdude is actually against Turkish nationalism. I remember that from a while back.

Don't hold that against him. Many Americans are against America, period....well, esp the first Mr. and Mrs.

[bararallu]

I guess all those primitive explosions from imaginary Kurds and their insistence of an independent Kurdish homeland also does not exist. We can can very much discuss Turkish humanism... if certain Turkish members on this particular thread desire.

Well the explosions are done by PKK and they are terrorists (& the worst thing that has happened to Kurdish nationalism in 2000 years, and most Kurds would agree I would think). I'm also quite sure that "Turkishdude" would back the PKK just like he would back the PLO, Hezzies and Hamas.

[takeo]

When a few is actually a few thousand, and they're state sponsored as part of a larger long term genocide program...then yes, we blame them. Consider that at a minimum, 90% of the population in Gaza immigrated there AFTER 1967, and that Egypt also had to block their travel to and from Gaza....and figure it out.

most of them didn't migrate, but were forced to go there as part of Israel's ethnic cleansing in 1948, everyone knows that.

[takeo]

Turkishdude is actually against Turkish nationalism. I remember that from a while back.

You mean he's in favor of a Turkey where all nationalities, including Kurds, Armenians and Greek should have equal rights? WOW, never trust these people!

[takeo]

I second that assessment. And I hope people don't go on off on Turkey and make it one of those treads because this doofus calls himself "Turkishdude". There is no doubt a reason why he's in Europe: the Turks don't want him. He's obviously a hate monger and an agent provocateur, like the Russian Nationalist Socialist that frequents here as well.

yes everyone not agreeing with you and criticising Israeli occupation is a fascist and a lunatic we know your point of view by now.

[takeo]

Yeah... you are an idiot.

Israel doesn't strangle Gaza. Gazans could get out via Egypt, but Egypt doesn't want to destabilize their country.

Meanwhile, despite the fact that the Gazan government has declared war until eternity on Israel, Israel idiotically supplies them with food, medicine, and energy. They should cut all of that off.

If Hamas wants war with Israel, let them have war. No assistance. No kindness. Treatment like any enemy state treats another enemy statement. If they want war, they better not depend on Israel for anything - let them die, or make peace. But Hamas isn't willing to do that.

And idiot liberals, who don't believe in accountability if that accountability means being accountable for killing Jews, encourage them. And yes, turkishdude, I am saying that you encourage Jew-murder and are more or less a Jew hater.

so you're calling for all out war and no human considerations. Bin Laden and the Iraqi insurgeants completely agree with your point of view. But if that's the new rule, you also loose the right to protest against suicide bombers bombing civilians, because in that case that too is part of the war without pity. And what would it bring for Israel? More hate in Gaza and around the world, and making a solution even more difficult. (especially now that all Hamas leaders declared they want compromise and a two state solution in principle, that doesn't seem like an intelligent policy )
Israel has the right to completely disengage from Gaza, but since Gaza is part of palestine it can't happen without a solution for all palestinians, including those in the Westbank and Eastern Jerusalem.

[bararallu]

yes everyone not agreeing with you and criticising Israeli occupation is a fascist and a lunatic we know your point of view by now.

Hows that slow genocide going in the Caucuses? Gonna build your house on some dead Georgian children?

[uriah007]

Iran charges 7 Baha'is with spying for Israel
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1107650.html

Iran will put on trial seven detained Baha'i believers on Tuesday accused of spying for Israel and insulting sanctities, the official IRNA news agency reported. Six of the seven Baha'is were detained in May 2008 on security-related charges, while another was arrested in March of last year. Iran had previously linked the group to Israel, saying they had received orders from Israel to undertake measures against the Islamic system.

Iran does not recognize Israel. "The trial of the seven Baha'is accused of spying for the Zionist regime [of Israel] and insulting sanctities will be held on Tuesday," IRNA quoted Hassan Haddad, in charge of security affairs of Tehran's prosecutor office, as saying.