On Jumblat and Berrie, Lebanese politics, Netanyhu's speech...etc...

[orangeblossom]

Here is Lebanese politics. We had a thread on Jumblatt. He sides with what ever side will save his hide. He goes all the way through....and then, he changes - YOU GOT TO GET USE TO IT! In lebanon, there is a saying for Christians: Do not turn ur back on a druze. He just epitomizes that. He likes to have options. Now, he is barking he will meet with anyone he chooses. And he meets with Nasrallah. Remember...Nasrallah's ppl back in May of 2007....attacked his area with guns, etc.

As for Berri being relected....most Lebanese are upset. THey don't trust him. ANd by doing this, as the first thing from March 14th....they are wanting to know what their vote changed.

Only Geagea's group (90% christian - 10% Aounie) basically hasn't waivered. They are 100% pro-democratic. They voted against Berri, and made remarks on Jumblat.

Harriri....he is up for PM...but waivers on this and that about it. He is the Sunnis.

As for the opposition (aounies, hezzies, amals & frangiehs), who has no seats basically....they want the voted in to give them seats from parliament. Retain Veto power, etc. Now they clamour on headlines...they are not seeking veto, but seats. No one believes them

Now, get that....they are NOT EVEN elected, and want seats. When I say seats....they want to have majority on Cabinets. Like Cabinets for communication. Where there are majority pro-democ...they want to take over that cabinet. I guess they want at least 1 guy on 2 cabinets. That is Lebanon!

As for the Neytanyahu speech. Wrong time, and just not needed. And the problem with his speech, is that he wants us to take in the pals.

Let me explain Lebanon: We do NOT have THE MONEY TO TAKE THEM IN! And, each of them, want to go back to Israel. UNLESS we get BILLIONS to feed LEBANON! NOT HEZBOLLAH, but the STATE of LEBANON....we can not afford them.

Bascially....Netayahu's speech is about bankrupting Lebanon...and us taking in a whole group of people who live in camps...no medical...no education...no nothing. We can not do that unless paid.

And here is the other problem....you may only feed their hate on you. We have been working on becoming a democratic, free nation for 5 years. It does not evolve over night. IF WE take these people in....they can break our little vote with have. We are already fighting shia. Now, Hezbollah would love it.

If I was Netanyahu....I would have waited for a speech like this, after Iran may have broke free and democratic. Because, even Hezbollah used this speech instead of making it Iranian fighting for freedom.

It was like, he wanted to provoke and maintain Iran to be hardline. detract from it. A political game. Hit Hezbollah and fume them up.

This is what I don't get...I am 100% sure...ppl like Netanyahu...knows what is gng on in Lebanon....but makes speeches at wrong time and says wrong thing. There must be a reason for it.
Luv Ya OB

[MGB8]

Bibi's speech had 4 audiences, in this order:

1. Israel domestic
2. American/American administration
3. The Saudi's
4. The Palestinians.

Lebanon isn't on the list. Bibiu had bigger scores to settle.

As for where the Pal's go... they ain't coming to Israel. Israel can't take them in. Neither, in all reality, can the WB. Which means that they will end up staying where they are. The idea that Lebanon can't keep the Pals that already are there is silly... they are already there. That said, I'm sure any deal will involve huge amounts of money to "compensate the [children and grandchildren and great grandchildren of] refugees"

[bararallu]

If OB can prove to us there is such a thing as a "Palestinian," [rather than: generic Syrian (or Egyptian) dialect speaking, Sunni, Levantine Arab] then we should consider taking them.

[MGB8]

Bararallu,

Of course there is such a thing as a "Palestinian." That's different than a historic "Palestine" or a unified "Palestinian identity."

The term "Palestinian" means the descendants of Arab non-Jews who were living in the Western Part of the Palestine mandate at some point between 1940 and 48. That's a coherent, identifiable group.

Granted, the Gazan Palestinians are different from the West Bank Palestinians. And many of the Palestinian Arabs have strong ties to other Arab groups than they do to other Palestinian groups. And it doesn't mean that there are any real cultural markings of Palestinian Arabs as opposed to other Arabs in the region (other than not having the cultural markings of some of the other Arab groups). But that doesn't change the fact that there is an identifiable group out there of people who are "Palestinians."

It doesn't make Jews/Israelis sound reasonable to deny a basic truth - there exist a group of people who call themselves Palestinians and have a definition that defines them as opposed to other groups of people/Arabs.

[bararallu]

MG,


How does that narrative fit in with Jews and Druse and everyone else in the British Mandate being called "Palestinian"?

How does it furthermore jive with the ethno-national replacement agenda enacted by Emperor Hadrian who upon slaughtering mounds of Jews then renamed their national home: Judea as "Syria-Palestina" (not to mention the Roman decimation of Samaria and Samaritans around the same time). Should we honor that truth as well?

Does a Palestinian national narrative, that (officially and unofficially) subjugates religious minorities, not implicitly enable the supersessionist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionist) Dar Al Islam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divisions_of_the_world_in_Islam), and more poignantly: Jihad based on dhimmi usurpation (in this case the Jews (http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/mainreason.html))? Isn't this the fundamental ethno-religious driver for the Jihad? The violation of the religious-national Waqf? Isn't this a zero sum game (e.g., "al Nakba")? Where recognizing a Palestinian national narrative necessarily denies the rights of Jews to be a sovereign nation in the cradle of their civilization?
In terms of "identifiable groups", "Levantines" are also a group, as are the 30+ large clans derivative from farmer felahin Syrians that live in Judea and Samaria. What makes those signifiers any more or less significant than "Palestinian"? A bit of propaganda writ in Pravda?
Lastly how does it fit in with the PLO calling themselves Syrians and Syrians calling
Arabs south of them Syrians (to the Egyptian border) until the KGB + Nasser convinced them otherwise? Circa 1965
My basic contention is two fold:


Pragmatically accepting a Palestinian State is not the same as accepting a Palestinian nationality. They are not one and the same, in terms of ethical and political recourse for an Israeli Jew.
Accepting a Palestinian Nation is indeed accepting the narrative of a big lie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie), which itself is founded on layers of replacement theology, genocide, and attempted genocide.

The Palestinian National Narrative, and the acquiescence to which, is thus equivalent, in my humblest of opinions to: "Holocaust Denial Lite."

Minimally there is no reciprocity, and w/o the latter there is no ethical correspondence possible. From the depth of history, Philistines (and Romans) perhaps are smiling...

[maven]

This is what I don't get...I am 100% sure...ppl like Netanyahu...knows what is going on in Lebanon....but makes speeches at wrong time and says wrong thing. There must be a reason for it.
Luv Ya OBNetanyahu has a mouth as big as the pacific. He made sure to hammer nails into the coffins of the protestors in Iran by praising them and therefore helping the Iranian regime accuse them of working for Israel and the West.

He should never have lied about a two-state solution. If you don't believe in something you should say so, don't lie to please the American president; you only place your country in a position of being disrespected.

But nothing positive can happen in the Middle East at the moment so Netanyahu can continue as caretaker until Israel needs a REAL leader.

[Yala]

He didn't lie. He said he would accept a Palestinian state and set Israel's terms. Of course he knows first and foremost that the Palestinian dictators will never "recognize" Israel as a Jewish state because it is their intention to kick out every Jew from there, but he was right to call them out on it.

[maven]

He didn't lie. He said he would accept a Palestinian state and set Israel's terms.Bibi does not believe in a two-state solution and had you paid attention you would have seen that the conditions he placed on a Palestinian state could never be acceptable to any state, i.e. he shot down his own lie.

Better always to tell the truth, it may make you unpopular but at least you will be respected for it.

[bararallu]

Maven,

You may be right, Bibi may not 'believe' in a Palestinian state. That said, neither do the Palestinians. Their goal is not statehood, their goal [as Yala most correctly says] is the elimination of Israel and the dimmification or elimination of usurper Jews from Dar Al Islam- of which 'Palestine' is but a newly minted post mark.

Now days, everyone speaks in terms of pragmatism, not ideology (well except for Hamas and their ilk). And sometimes, like Begin, who had no allusions about Egyptians I think, take pragmatic measures. There is no black and white division of ideology from pragmatism, and furthermore- between pragmatic words and actions that back them.

I for one am far more right of center than Bibi, and I will accept a Palestinian state, and with commensurate provisions, a Palestinian Nation. Finding equivalent numbers, of you me Yala and Bibi on the other side, however, is an exercise in futility. That is why almost the whole of the Zionist movement today, left and right of center are keen believers in unilateral actions. There is no one on the other side to talk to, and without a paradigm shift, nor will there be.

-my tuppence worth anyway

[Yala]

Bibi does not believe in a two-state solution

Nobody believes in the "two-state solution" as set forth by Clinton, Bush, Blair, the Quartet, Obama, etc.

Now can I ask you -do the Palestinians believe in a two-state solution? In any two-state solution? I think we all know the answer.

Bibi was forced by the United States to accept the idea of a "two-state solution" so he set Israel's terms. I don't see the problem here.

and had you paid attention you would have seen that the conditions he placed on a Palestinian state could never be acceptable to any state, i.e. he shot down his own lie.

And the Palestinians demands on Israel are also unacceptable. Should he meet those demands in your opinion?

Better always to tell the truth, it may make you unpopular but at least you will be respected for it.

I think he did tell the truth. HE said he would accept a Palestinian state on certain terms. Just because he knows the Palestinians won't accept his terms or any others doesn't mean he was lying. Olmert offered them much more and they refused. They admitted as much on Arabic TV last month.

[Mediocrates]

In theory all theories work rather well. A two-state solution sounds wonderful. Just like the plan to end all hunger, war and disease. The problem with it is that in practice it doesn't work. It won't work and it never will work.

All you need to understand and embrace is precisely what level of contingent, continuous low level violence you're willing to accept in order to call that 'peace'. And when you set pen to paper and agree unilaterally to that, then the Palestinians will have their 'state'. A state means rather nothing though in the wider scheme if all it amounts to is the same rank misery for the Palestinians. Oh they'll have flags and they'll be invited to shriek antisemitic ravings at the UN every day for 99 years. And they'll have a parade in NYC. And they will still be broken in every fundamental way that a society can be broken.

I would say it would be awesome to watch liberals twist themselves in knots after the Palestinian state writes the death penalty into their laws for hundreds of crimes but the irony of that would go right over their heads. They'll blame it on the Jews anyway. And when Israel has a GDP-PPP percapita of $26,000 versus one tenth that for the Palestinians, some fat fool in the EU will stand up and demand some Israeli action to correct that disparity. After all, it doesn't cost Mr. Solana in Spain anything to do that.

[dayag]

Bibi does not believe in a two-state solution and had you paid attention you would have seen that the conditions he placed on a Palestinian state could never be acceptable to any state, i.e. he shot down his own lie.

Better always to tell the truth, it may make you unpopular but at least you will be respected for it.

If Bibi really wants to kill any two-state solution, all he has to do is agree with Jimmy Carter (yemach shemo) and demand that Hamas be part of the negotiations. :D

[bararallu]

In theory all theories work rather well.

I raise you: In fact all theories work well as theories. :cool:

[Yala]

Future PM Hariri met Nasrallah overnight last night.

[MGB8]

Bibi does not believe in a two-state solution and had you paid attention you would have seen that the conditions he placed on a Palestinian state could never be acceptable to any state, i.e. he shot down his own lie.

Better always to tell the truth, it may make you unpopular but at least you will be respected for it.

Not true. Bibi's conditions are more or less the consistent conditions of any Israeli government, though they've shown a tiny bit more leeway on Jerusalem and symbolic leeway on refugees. And, honestly, there is room in Bibi's statement for a lot of these two things to be negotiated.

And the Palestinians most certainly could accept those terms, or something more. Indeed, they had already accepted de-militarization in the past... so, Maven, I don't think your point that "no state" would accept being demilitarized is accurate.

[MGB8]

That said, I don't think in his heart of hearts he loves the two-state solution. That said, if the Palestinian Arabs accepted those terms, I think he'd make that deal.

[orangeblossom]

Bibi's speech had 4 audiences, in this order:

1. Israel domestic
2. American/American administration
3. The Saudi's
4. The Palestinians.

Lebanon isn't on the list. Bibiu had bigger scores to settle.



It is not about 'Lebanon,' but the refugee camps. That affects us. It is a very worrisome problem in Lebanon.

[orangeblossom]

If OB can prove to us there is such a thing as a "Palestinian," [rather than: generic Syrian (or Egyptian) dialect speaking, Sunni, Levantine Arab] then we should consider taking them.

heheheh....ok.:p

[Reffo]

I think he did tell the truth. HE said he would accept a Palestinian state on certain terms. Just because he knows the Palestinians won't accept his terms or any others doesn't mean he was lying. Olmert offered them much more and they refused. They admitted as much on Arabic TV last month. True, I agree with you. I would sum up Bibi's attitude as follows: He would prefer NOT to have a Palestinian state, I think he would rather see the Arab population of the West Bank and Gaza become citizens of Jordan and Egypt respectively but since he knows that it is unlikely to come about (at least in the near future), he spelt out the terms under which he would be prepared to accept the unpalatable alternative and that is certainly not lying ... More than that: Had he not declared his position as he did, he would be digging a hole for Israel because he would be accused of abrogating past agreements under the road map, as was already the case when he initially declared his rejection of the two state solution. In fact, IMHO, his initial stance was the mistake, not his current stance ...

[orangeblossom]

I agree with Maven. It is not a real state. Now, you may understand why Hezbollah used this, when Iran needed most of the international focus. This is why I ask....why does he speak on this now? We just didn't need a speech that opened with a 'peace-talk' and ended with a here is an 'inch of a state, take it.' blah, blah.

It would have been better, if he focused on the uprise of Iran...and USA supported it, etc. Imagine if Iran went down. What a change....even in the operations of Hezbollah; it would weaken them.

This again leads me to believe that certain governments want to maintain war states: ie, money.

Let me give you an idea. You want Lebanese to get rid of Hezbollah. Lebanese can. Yes, it would be painful, and tremendous numbers would die....but it can happen.

Let say, Lebanese government was winning. FOR SOME reason, support around the world would halt. This is why Lebanese are forced to deal with Hezbollah. We just deal with them...and learned this from our war. That is a wound, which will never heal.

Look the british are negoitating with Hezbollah. What an insult. Do u not think CIA goes in Hezzie land? How about all Israeli spies busted (like 50). Off of a celluar? Someone tipped them off.

It is a game. So when someone here states....it is your problem....I do get a chuckle. When they speak as if they careless of refugess....they have NO CLUE of inhumane rights they live in. Because they speak with a beginner's hatred...and do not see the bigger pic.

Am I apologizing for Pals? In no way I am. I believe that they should stand up, like the free shia party in Lebanon, and start taking blame for what they have done.

But, after years, I am also calming down on my hatred. And, I will leave u at that.

Luv ya! OB

[Reffo]

I agree with Maven. It is not a real state..OK, so what do you think WOULD be a real state for the Palestinians?

I think that they have been saying (in effect) that a real state for them would be:
The West Bank + Gaza + The whole of Israel
I hope you don't agree with that? Because Israelis will never let that happen and that would mean war. In fact, that's why the war has been going on for this long ..

[Reffo]

...I hope that sooner rather than later, the world, the surrounding Arab countries and even sensible Palestinian Arabs will come to the realisation that it's in no one's interest to see the creation of what very likely will turn out to be a failed Palestinian state (and probably a proxy of Iran) whose main export product would be terrorism, violence and war. And when they do, I also hope that they will decide on the more sensible solution of annexing most of the West Bank and all of Gaza into Jordan and Egypt respectively.

As much as I would prefer that solution, as would many Israelis, I don't believe that it's Israel's role to advocate that solution. In fact, if it would try to do so, it would be a sure recipee for the rejection of that idea by the Arabs and their allies...

[orangeblossom]

I really have no solution. The only solution I would like to see, is pals unite under the name of Israel. Become citizens, etc. But, that is not to happen.

You see, in my personal opinion.....Isreal is like 1" of the middle east. Give the jewish that land and leave them alone.

But, what has happened, is a lot of hatred has been compounded over the decades.

One thing I had in mind....was take the United Nations (out of NY), and put it straight in downtown Jeureselum. Make this city a city of the world....sort of like the Vatican. The argument for this city (being international owned), actually defeats the purpose of fanatical groups. It is something they would have to agree with.

ob

[Reffo]

The only solution I would like to see, is pals unite under the name of Israel. Become citizens, etc. But, that is not to happenYou are right, OB, that cannot happen. Why? Because for 2000 years the Jews lived amongst others as a minority and overall, most of the time, the rights of Jewish peoples were NOT respected. Not by the European people, nor the Arab people or by anyone else. Sooner or later the Jewish people were treated badly by everyone and if I would be a betting man, I would bet that it will end that way even in the future where seemingly for now we are being treated well. Already we can hear rumblings about dual loyalties, rich Jews, Jews controlling the media, Jewish lobbies etc ... Those are bad signs and quite often such rumblings, initially started by a minority of non Jews, were a prelude to much greater problems and acts of hatred towards the Jewish minorities in general..

So you see, OB? That's why the Jewish people insist that there should be one place on this earth where the Jewish people should be in the majority and where no one can threaten their rights as a people. That place is Israel which represents less than 0.1% of the total lands that are controlled by the Arab people. We figure that because the Arab people are NOT short of land, they can look after most of their Palestinian brothers. I say most, because Israelis don't mind looking after their current Israeli Arab population who represent about 20% of the total Israeli population (about 1 million Arab Israelis). But Israelis don't want to accept additional Palestinian Arabs because Jews may become a minority population in Israel. You can see that, can't you?

[orangeblossom]

You are right, OB, that cannot happen. Why? Because for 2000 years the Jews lived amongst others as a minority and overall, most of the time, the rights of Jewish peoples were NOT respected. Not by the European people, nor the Arab people or by anyone else. Sooner or later the Jewish people were treated badly by everyone and if I would be a betting man, I would bet that it will end that way even in the future where seemingly for now we are being treated well. Already we can hear rumblings about dual loyalties, rich Jews, Jews controlling the media, Jewish lobbies etc ... Those are bad signs and quite often such rumblings, initially started by a minority of non Jews, were a prelude to much greater problems and acts of hatred towards the Jewish minorities in general..

So you see, OB? That's why the Jewish people insist that there should be one place on this earth where the Jewish people should be in the majority and where no one can threaten their rights as a people. That place is Israel which represents less than 0.1% of the total lands that are controlled by the Arab people. We figure that because the Arab people are NOT short of land, they can look after most of their Palestinian brothers. I say most, because Israelis don't mind looking after their current Israeli Arab population who represent about 20% of the total Israeli population (about 1 million Arab Israelis). But Israelis don't want to accept additional Palestinian Arabs because Jews may become a minority population in Israel. You can see that, can't you?

First, let me remind you, that christians were hunted down and worshiped in dark places for over 300 years. And today, we have our own genocides (mixed with some muslims); ie: Dafur. It is known as the modern Holocaust. They are just not published as well because they are not Jewish. Just two days ago, a chrisitan church was blown up in Indonesia. Let's be honest here...when it comes to a Chrisitian being blown up, vs. a jewish...get my point? Are we not minorties around in parts of the world today?

And, we chrisitans made great countries today....in where you enjoy peace, security, etc. So you hear this and that. Well, I hear on many occassions, how they are coming after me...and slaughter my kind. I'd rather be known as a lobby, than "hey, you chrisitan slut...made from a dog....I am gng to burn you alive." And, that is what we christians get who support the democracy of the middle east.

We all know that America supports Israel almost entirely from billions per year. I am not saying that is bad...but that 'edge' on the money is defineatly used in politics. "hate to loose it." (Again, bare in mind, that I prefer Israel than countries like Saudi or Syria). Hezbollah gets big money. Hamas. PLO, etc.

Now, I stated, give jewish the 1" of Arab lands. I have no beef with them. I get along better with Jewish than Pals. But....you have to understand what is humane and what isn't & I am an innocent waiting to get hurt due to politics, walking on the street. I have lived on the other side. Which is why I am here...to let you understand, what is happening on the other side.

And while it is a wish glory that Arabs take in Pals...it is not what should be done. You are talking billions of dollars to take them in. While a country like Saudi can...countries like Lebanon can NOT afford it. Is there a compromise there? No. WHy should Jordan retake them from Lebanon? THey already have millions.

So basically, you are stating: Give us our land, and you all get out. We Isrealis get all we want, and you get nothing.

This is not gng to happen. When one goes to the table to compromise....one has to give something that hurts, in order for the other party to give something that hurts them. A compromise is painful. When it isn't, then something is terribly wrong.

So, your gng to have to ride your 300 years, make something, or compromise. We Christians did. You can cry and cry about it. We overcame it, and established great democracies.

Today...it is us, embeded deep in fundamental lands around the globe, loosing men. I do not see Isreali platoon in Afghanistan. And on top of it, we support your existance.

Maybe you will hate what I am saying, and I DO NOT INTEND TO INSULT YOU...but...I just see politicians using what they can to make a buck. Using Isreal as a REASON.

And as being a Lebanese Citizen....we are not bad people. As you can plainly see....we voted in Democracy against Hezbollah. We want peace. YOU HAVE TO SEE...MONEY & DEALS is what makes our government work. And Berri's relection, with hatred...just demonstrates that. It is Syria & America.

So....we little people in Lebanon, fight a huge world government to survive. You get paid from it. And, once you understand that...you will start seeing just how sickening the whole situation is.

Luv ya....OB!

[Reffo]

First, let me remind you, that christians were hunted down and worshiped in dark places for over 300 years. And today, we have our own genocides (mixed with some muslims); ie: Dafur. It is known as the modern Holocaust. They are just not published as well because they are not JewishActually, Darfur IS published regularly, as it should.

Just two days ago, a chrisitan church was blown up in Indonesia. Let's be honest here...when it comes to a Chrisitian being blown up, vs. a jewish...get my point? Are we not minorties around in parts of the world today?I am against all forms of persecution by ANYONE against ANYONE. But it seems that you don't get my point which is that Jews want ONE place on this earth where they can get self determination and defend themselves if necessary. Christians have plenty of Christian countries where they can flee to if they are persecuted by some bastards. But without Israel, where would Jews have a haven from persecution?

And, we chrisitans made great countries today....in where you enjoy peace, security, etc. So you hear this and that. Well, I hear on many occassions, how they are coming after me...and slaughter my kind. I'd rather be known as a lobby, than "hey, you chrisitan slut...made from a dog....I am gng to burn you alive." And, that is what we christians get who support the democracy of the middle east.Then maybe it would be better for Lebanese Christians to break off from Lebanon and form their independent Christian Lebanese country. It's up to you but whatever you choose, I wish you the best ..

We all know that America supports Israel almost entirely from billions per year. I am not saying that is bad...but that 'edge' on the money is defineatly used in politics. "hate to loose it." (Again, bare in mind, that I prefer Israel than countries like Saudi or Syria). Hezbollah gets big money. Hamas. PLO, etc.IMHO opinion, the Christian Lebanese and Israel should be natural allies. Having said that, I know that Israel too made mistakes on that front but the Christian leadership was not wise either and they made mistakes too..

Now, I stated, give jewish the 1" of Arab lands. I have no beef with them. I get along better with Jewish than Pals. But....you have to understand what is humane and what isn't & I am an innocent waiting to get hurt due to politics, walking on the street. I have lived on the other side. Which is why I am here...to let you understand, what is happening on the other side.

And while it is a wish glory that Arabs take in Pals...it is not what should be done. You are talking billions of dollars to take them in. While a country like Saudi can...countries like Lebanon can NOT afford it. Is there a compromise there? No. WHy should Jordan retake them from Lebanon? THey already have millions.Israel too spent billions of dollars absorbing Jewish refugees from Arab countries. It is only fair to now expect Arab countries to look after SOME of their Palestinian brothers. Now, I am not necessarily saying that Lebanon HAS to take them. It's up to Lebanon what you do or don't do but if Lebanon won't take them in, there are plenty of other Arab countries who can and should take them in. And of course, in any peace settlement, there WOULD be an Arab Palestinian state which should accommodate most of them. Alternatively, instead of another Arab state, Jordan could accommodate them by taking over their current cities, towns and villages in the West Bank as they did prior to the 1967 war.

So basically, you are stating: Give us our land, and you all get out. We Isrealis get all we want, and you get nothing.Not at all. What I am stating (see above) is that since Arabs kicked out their Jews from their homes and many of those Jews settled in Israel, the Arabs should take in THEIR Palestinian brothers in place of the Jews. Fair is fair ... a population swap as happened in many other conflicts in the world. It happened in Europe and between India and Pakistan. Moreover, as I said above, Israel would still accommodate about another 1 million Palestinian Arabs. It is more than fair ..

This is not gng to happenIt better happen otherwise there won't ever be peace..

When one goes to the table to compromise....one has to give something that hurts, in order for the other party to give something that hurts them. A compromise is painful. When it isn't, then something is terribly wrong.You want compromise? Then look at what Ehud Barak offered Arafat back in 2001. That's the best compromise that the Palestinian Arabs would ever get. Yet Arafat rejected it at that time..

So, your gng to have to ride your 300 years, make something, or compromise. We Christians did. You can cry and cry about it. We overcame it, and established great democracies.All I can say is that the Christian Lebanese should be vigilant and that they should watch their backs. I believe that they are not out of danger but I wish you guys all the best. Really, I mean it ... I hope it turns out well for your people.

Today...it is us, embeded deep in fundamental lands around the globe, loosing men. I do not see Isreali platoon in Afghanistan. And on top of it, we support your existance.Nobody wants Israel to be involved in Afghanistan. It would inflame an already difficult situation there..

Maybe you will hate what I am saying, and I DO NOT INTEND TO INSULT YOU...but...I just see politicians using what they can to make a buck. Using Isreal as a REASON.I am not insulted, you are welcome to your opinions but I hope that you'll listen with an open mind to our side of the story.

And as being a Lebanese Citizen....we are not bad people. As you can plainly see....we voted in Democracy against Hezbollah. We want peace. YOU HAVE TO SEE...MONEY & DEALS is what makes our government work. And Berri's relection, with hatred...just demonstrates that. It is Syria & America.I know that you are NOT bad people, I know many Lebanese people. I just hope that you also know that the Jewish people are not bad people..

So....we little people in Lebanon, fight a huge world government to survive. You get paid from it. And, once you understand that...you will start seeing just how sickening the whole situation is.I only have good wishes for the good people of Lebanon. As for the Lebanese who wish us harm, what do you expect me to say to them?