The Temple Mount Ticking Bomb

[NewsGuy]

One of the least known facts to many people, is that non-Muslims are barred from entering the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

In what is one of the most openly racist aspects of the Arab culture, only Muslims are permitted to enter the Temple Mount area.

Even though the Temple Mount is the holiest site in Judaism, as the ancient Jewish Temple was housed there, and a holy destination to visitors of all religions, there exists a Muslim mosque there, and non-Muslims are prevented from setting foot at that location.

The apartheid-style ban on non-Muslims was set in place by the Muslim mosque authority, called the "Waqf," which appoints the Muslim cleriks who preach anti-semititsm and hatred of Israel in the Temple Mount Mosque during Friday prayer sessions.

It is also the place from where Muslims threw stones at Jewish worshippers who were praying at the Western Wall, known as the "Kotel."

Now, the Israeli governement has decided to allow non-Muslims to enter the Temple Mount, and the Palestinians are threatening that a blood-bath will ensue, as the Muslims will attempt to enforce their apartheid by massacring all non-Muslims who will enter the Temple Mount.

[L@mplighterM]

I remember the stone throwing back in August last year ( I think it was August) I was looking at the wall on video cam and I saw the people disappearing . I put a prayer in the wall for my friend and her prayer was answered. Not a bad deal.

Let them move the mosque to France.

[McSceptic]

I think it could be described as sectarian but not racist. Not all Arabs are Muslims.

The Temple itself was built by an Arab: Herod.

[Negev]

Originally posted by McSceptic
I think it could be described as sectarian but not racist. Not all Arabs are Muslims.

The Temple itself was built by an Arab: Herod.

when only muslims are allowed to enter the site of the temple it is racism. when muslims try to murder anyone who is not a muslim who enters the temple area i call that ethnic cleansing.

[McSceptic]

Then you have your terms confused. Islam is a religion, not a race. Ethnic cleansing is when an ethnic group gets expelled from its homes. Tenk klart, tak klart, as Andersons used to say.

Doesn't excuse what the Muslims are doing tho. It's an area sacred to several religions, including pagans.

[Negev]

Originally posted by McSceptic
Doesn't excuse what the Muslims are doing tho. It's an area sacred to several religions, including pagans.

it really takes a lot of chutzpah for the muslims to even suggest closing off these scared places to other religions. any way you slice it this is muslim discrimination, racism and ethnic cleansing.

the world needs to see what the muslims are doing to know how better to treat the muslims themselves.

[victot]

i did a project on jerusalem's importance to muslims last semester...
i gotta say, i dont think that jerusalem is very important to them... it is not even mentioned once in the entire koran, and it got its importance because they got to feel that 1 verse in the entire koran implies that muhammad went there...
but it can be interpreted several ways, and i think that the assumption that jerusalem is that place is a bit far fetched from the reading...
but im not sure, i could be wrong, oh well

[Negev]

Originally posted by victot
i did a project on jerusalem's importance to muslims last semester...
... it is not even mentioned once in the entire koran, and it got its importance because they got to feel that 1 verse in the entire koran implies that muhammad went there...

the main importance of jerusalem to islam is that they can murder lots of jews over it and try to steal the jewish capitol.

it's been a big mistake of israel not to level the mosque in jerusalem and rid the city of muslim influence. now everyone's paying the price.

if the muslims want to worship allah then suadi arabia is the place to do it.

[McSceptic]

Islam is derived from Judaism and Christianity, but I think more Judaism than C. as Mohammed knew more Jews.

I've read that originally he wanted people to pray towards Jerusalem, but after a falling-out with some of the Jewish clans, switched it to Mecca instead.

I imagine Jerusalem only became important to them after they captured it from the Eastern Roman Empire.

But probably not a good idea to start a religous war over it. You're definetely on your own on that one!

[NewsGuy]

I was reminded of this thread because today it was announced that, in deference to the Muslim Ramadan holiday, Israel will allow thousands of potential Muslim enemies to worship at the Jerusalem mosque without restriction to preserve their religious freedom.

On the other hand, in honor of the Muslim holiday, a Palestinian suicide bomber set off a bomb when caught at a checkpoint in the Sharon region of Israel.

And the Ramadan was marked in another Muslim country of Egypt with the debut of the Saudi-sponsored TV series based on the anti-Semitic forgery, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Here we have a Muslim trying to mass murder Jews and others broadcasting anti-Semitic incitement, while the Jews are permitting Muslims to enter and worship freely in the mosque which is situated atop Judaism's holiest site.

Yet, in much of the world, the Jews are viewed as the oppressors.

Strange world...

[jcsd]

I the temple mount is important to Muslims as the place where Abraham descended to heaven, the mosque itself is the third holiest site in Islam.

[I am David]

So that means Jews have no right to go there? It is THE most important in Judaism.

[jcsd]

I'm not an expert but I thought the nearby wailing wall was the most important Jewish site. There is no clear wrong and right in this situation, the best solution would be a compromise, but because of the intransgience of both sides I don't see that as likely and for the Israeli government to enforce a policy on the mosque is inflamatory in the current situation.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by jcsd
...and for the Israeli government to enforce a policy on the mosque is inflamatory in the current situation.

Why would eliminating discrimination be inflammatory, I wonder?

Do you think that the Muslims want to perpetuate religious discrimination?

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by jcsd
I'm not an expert but I thought the nearby wailing wall was the most important Jewish site. There is no clear wrong and right in this situation, the best solution would be a compromise, but because of the intransgience of both sides I don't see that as likely and for the Israeli government to enforce a policy on the mosque is inflamatory in the current situation.


Their "policy" consisted of little more than arresting people who hurled boulders down on the praying JEws below.

[jcsd]

I'm only going on what was said above about a new Israeli government policy to allow non-Muslims into the temple mount complex.

Not allowing members of different religions to visit key holy sites is not unique to Islam and I doubt if the situation was reversed that the two sides would be anymore accomadating. The truth is any imposed solution is difficult as the actual sovreignity of the site is disputed too.

[jcsd]

Now you can keep an eye on the temple mount and the wailing wall yourself:
http://www.aish.com/wallcam/Window_on_the_Wall.asp

[Micah]

You know what's interesting? No Orthodox Jew would step foot on the Temple Mount anyway. We are regaurded as unclean and therefore can't enter there. Also as a political issue it has significance, but the Orthodox Jews don't (for the most part) worry about not being allowed up there right now. In the future that will be different, but not now.

[danholo]

Originally posted by jcsd
I the temple mount is important to Muslims as the place where Abraham descended to heaven, the mosque itself is the third holiest site in Islam.

I don't know how you descend upwards. The Temple Mount was believed by a sultan to be "Al-Aqsa" or the "farthest mosque", described in the Koran, where Mohammed ascended into heaven. He built the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa mosque on that site. How convenient...

The Temple Mount in ancient times housed the Jewish Temple and national authorities like the Sanhedrin (High Court).

[danholo]

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[ibrodsky]

The proof is in the pudding:

Today, Muslims insist that Jews may not visit the Temple Mount. We are not talking about entering the Muslims' mosque, we are talking about walking in an area that is clearly a public space.

Notice that with Israel in control, Muslims can visit their sites and have even been allowed to restrict non-Muslims from visiting those places.

When the Arabs controlled East Jerusalem, from 1948 - 1967, no Jews were allowed to visit the Western Wall.

So jcsd you are simply wrong. When they were in control no Jews could visit. When we took control Muslims could not only visit, but could continue to restrict Jews' access.

[jcsd]

Well Israel isn't in control of the temple mount complex and it's sovreignity is disputed.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by jcsd
Well Israel isn't in control of the temple mount complex and it's sovreignity is disputed.

Of course Israel is in control of the Temple Mount and of all of Jerusalem for that matter.

[danholo]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
Of course Israel is in control of the Temple Mount and of all of Jerusalem for that matter.

In a way yes. Israeli forces can and will enter the area if the people there start a ruckus, but the Arab Waqf controls the Mount. Unlike Arabs who will expel the Jews out of Jerusalem, Israel gives privileges to the Arabs. I think this is one good example of Israeli (and Jewish) good will - without going over board.

[Iori Yagami]

Originally posted by McSceptic
The Temple itself was built by an Arab: Herod.

First, Herod was an Edomite - arabs, as in the people that come from the arabian peninsula, weren't living anyhow near the Israeli kingdom at that time.
Second, the temple wasn't built by him. The first temple was built by king Solomon, the second by the refugees that had returned from Persia. Herod merely reconstructed some parts of it.

[Barak]

Originally posted by jcsd
I'm not an expert but I thought the nearby wailing wall was the most important Jewish site.

The wailing wall, is the western wall of the Temple. It is the only thing that hsa remained of the Temple. On the place where the Al-Aqsa mosque stands, was the holy of holliest, in the time that there still was a Temple. Therefore, the holliest of holliest is in fact the holliest (the name says it all ;) ) place in Jewsh religion. But only the high priest could enter the site, since it wasn't allowed for others to be entered.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by danholo
In a way yes. Israeli forces can and will enter the area if the people there start a ruckus, but the Arab Waqf controls the Mount.

Israel has given the Waqf to the authority over the daily upkeep of the Mosque and has it is also given the authority to raise money from the Muslim community. It is by definition a religious oversight organization, not a political one.

Unlike Arabs who will expel the Jews out of Jerusalem, Israel gives privileges to the Arabs.

Yes, unlike the racist, anti-Semitic Apartheid policies of the Muslim leadership, Israel does, in fact, grant Muslims and all religions, religious freedom under Israel's democracy. Ironically, it is this democracy precisely that the Arabs loath so much and are bent on destroying.