It's Civil War in Libya

[Mediocrates]

In Bengazi, protesters, if you could call them that, are using tanks, car bombs and machine guns. Fighting is erupting in Tripoli.

Reported in CNN today.

[bararallu]

Arabs + Chaos serves all that can take advantage of it. Unfortunately we have some chickens in office in Israel and all apologetic chickens in the White House. Too bad, in their position I'd bleed the morons to maximum potential. Then bomb their airbases.

[Mil]

Fun stuff.

[Reffo]

Oh dear. No comments from Amnesty International? No comments from Human Rights Watch? No comment from the UN? No Security Council resolutions against the murder of hundreds off innocent Arabs in various Arab countries? Not even a Goldstone Report?

Oh well, that only happens when Israel reacts to Arab violence ...

[farmboy]

Oh dear. No comments from Amnesty International? No comments from Human Rights Watch? No comment from the UN? No Security Council resolutions against the murder of hundreds off innocent Arabs in various Arab countries? Not even a Goldstone Report?

Oh well, that only happens when Israel reacts to Arab violence ...
It's really upsetting to read your post Reffo because it os 100% true

[GratefulFred]

Firing at bystanders at a funneral has been so done before. Even blowing up nurseries. Maybe the news will take interest when the first million get killed.

[Reffo]

Unfortunately comments like mine only upsets decent people, like you. To others, who are hypocrites it's just like water off a duck's back. :rolleyes:

[Mil]

Qadaffi's son apologized. that's enough.

[bararallu]

I personally would have no moral dilemma firing on a Hamas funeral.

[Mediocrates]

Thankfully though the peaceful peaceloving Libyans of peace are a key member of the UNHRC (United Nations Human Rights Commission) so rest assured no Libyans have actually been harmed and this is all nothing but a Zionist controlled media plot to discredit Libya.

[Mediocrates]

Protesters have RPG's. Interesting note: Libya massacred 1200 prisoners in 1996. That must be why they were tagged to lead the UNHRC.

http://www.eyeontheun.org/voices.asp?p=1396

[Mediocrates]

Michael Totten:

Libya’s tyrant Moammar Qaddafi has killed more demonstrators than all other Middle Eastern dictators combined since the international Arab revolt began in Tunisia. He is now reportedly using artillery fire on unarmed civilians (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/20/libya-defiant-protesters-feared-dead). The man is a fascist, and so are his psychotic children. Can we please not have any more articles in the media about how he’s a reformer? Thank you.

UPDATE: Now that I’m on Twitter I’m getting all kinds of unconfirmed information that suggests the end may be near for the Arab world’s most vicious dictatorship. I don’t know what to believe and what not to believe, but Qaddafi does appear to be in the fight of his life.

[Mediocrates]

Terry Glavin: The Libyan Slave Revolt

The Libyan people have had to put up with more than 40 years (http://pajamasmedia.com/michaeltotten/2011/02/20/in-the-land-of-the-brother-leader-2/)of Pyongyang-On-The-Mediterranean, and yet it was only three days ago (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110218/wl_uk_afp/mideastpoliticsunrestbritainarms) that the British government ordered UK gun firms to stop providing the Libyan regime with "security equipment" - the delicate English euphemism for massacre gear. Equally useless and just as delicate: Human Rights Watch.

Since the advent of digital technologies (i.e. Facebook, Twitter, email and even cell phones for mercy's sake) the Human Rights Watch role in these kinds of tumults has been reduced to providing body-count services that are no more reliable than what Reuters provides. Not two years ago, Sarah Leah Whitson, the Human Rights Watch director for North Africa, was gushing and bubbling about the Libyan regime: What a lovely and liberal despotism the Gaddafis are making! (http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/05/28/tripoli-spring) Now, HRW is cluttering up the newswire traffic about Libya with finger-wagging and sanctimonious hectoring (http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/02/20/libya-governments-should-demand-end-unlawful-killings) of the world's democracies.

What would Human Rights Watch have the free world do? Why, join with teetering and decrepit police-states to wag its fingers and hector the Gaddafis - no, je m'excuse, merely urge them - to "stop the unlawful killing of protesters." Is there some "lawful" kind of citizen-butchering that Human Rights Watch would prefer?

Saif's "statement" is the gibberish-vomit of a paranoid lunatic. After 40 years of state terror and savagery, why should Libyans want to hear any words from him that are not spoken as his last, from the gallows?

http://transmontanus.blogspot.com/2011/02/libyan-slave-revolt.html

[Mediocrates]

HRW: "It's a Libyan Spring" (Springtime for Hitler?)

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/02/20/flashback-anti-israel-voice-gushes-over-tripoli-spring/

The death toll in Libya has reportedly risen above 200. In Benghazi, where Qaddafi’s sons Khamis and Saadi are charged with crushing the uprising, police and army forces are picking off demonstrators (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/20/libya-defiant-protesters-feared-dead) with sniper and artillery fire. The State Department has gone so far as to express “grave concern,” (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/20/libya-usa-travel-idUSN2016865320110220) while the EU is “very worried.” (http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/middleeast/news/article_1620698.php/EU-very-worried-about-Libya-seeks-end-of-violence-2nd-Roundup) That’s how bad things are.

So this is probably as good a time as any to revisit the sagacity of Human Rights Watch Middle East and North Africa Director Sarah Leah Whitson, who in 2009 was granted access to Libya and duly announced the unfolding of a “Tripoli Spring.” (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/05/26/tripoli_spring) HRW had just spent a year in relative silence (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2009/08/05/dictatorships-and-double-standards/) as Qaddafi’s thugs neglected to death long-imprisoned dissident Fathi al-Jahmi. In the aftermath they neither called for an independent investigation nor held the Libyan regime directly responsible for the death. But lest you think they were totally unmoved by al-Jahmi’s plight, Whitson did namecheck him in the first paragraph of her gushing report on Libya’s burgeoning civil society:


What Fathi al-Jahmi died for is starting to spread in the country. For the first time in memory, change is in the air in Libya. The brittle atmosphere of repression has started to fracture, giving way to expanded space for discussion and debate [and] proposals for legislative reform… I left more than one meeting stunned at the sudden openness of ordinary citizens, who criticized the government and challenged the status quo with newfound frankness. A group of journalists we met with in Tripoli complained about censorship… ut that hadn’t stopped their newspapers… Quryna, one of two new semi private newspapers in Tripoli, features page after page of editorials criticizing bureaucratic misconduct and corruption… The spirit of reform, however slowly, has spread to the bureaucracy as well… the real impetus for the transformation rests squarely with [B]a quasi-governmental organization, the Qaddafi Foundation for International Charities and Development.

[Sanket]

UPDATE: Now that I’m on Twitter I’m getting all kinds of unconfirmed information that suggests the end may be near for the Arab world’s most vicious dictatorship. I don’t know what to believe and what not to believe, but Qaddafi does appear to be in the fight of his life.


U can believe them. Just now saw Video of Libyan soldiers shot & burned by Gaddafi forces for refusing to obey orders.


Update

Aljazeera live from #Tripoli: Air strikes concentrated on Fashloum and Souq al Juma #Feb17 #Libya

[Mediocrates]

some reports Gadaffi has fled the country for........Venezuela. Wow that puts the American leftists in a bind. I guess slaughtering Libyans wasn't such a bad thing after all if Chavez is ok with it. All Hail Cindy Sheehan!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8338948/Libya-Colonel-Gaddafi-flees-to-Venezuela-as-cities-fall-to-protesters.html

[NewsGuy]

The reports of the air force firing on civilians and the photos of charred bodies reminded me of the good old days in the Muslim world when Saddam took care of his opponents in Halapja and Northern Iraq. That's how business has always been done by the Arabs.

[Yala]

This is what happens when the Western world, specifically leftists, have been so fixated on Israel for so long. These psychotic dictators have been getting away with mass murder.

[JerichoMissile]

I wonder what israel is going to say/do when these freedom/democracy loving arabs/muslims get democracy in libya and they vote to attack israel, and they vote 95% YES, what happens than?
it is democracy in action isnt it?

The gaza/hamas history should show us that arabs and democracy dont always end up in a happy marriage, hamas got into power democraticaly, and what now?? peace?

[JerichoMissile]

Oh dear. No comments from Amnesty International? No comments from Human Rights Watch? No comment from the UN? No Security Council resolutions against the murder of hundreds off innocent Arabs in various Arab countries? Not even a Goldstone Report?

Oh well, that only happens when Israel reacts to Arab violence ...

thats exactly what i was thinking, where are all the leftwing nutcase around the world protesting against this? nowhere to be seen, only when israel defends itself do we see the nutters come out and critisise, to be 100% honest i couldnt care less if they all kill eachother, less of them, the less jew haters in the world, that can only be a good thing!!

[Reffo]

what i was thinking, where are all the leftwing nutcase around the world protesting against this?Don't fret. Sooner or later they will cook up a story and claim that the zionist Jews stirred all this up. Already I saw one nutter claim that Gaddafi had a Jewish mother on one of the Haaretz talkbacks. By the way, that nutter is a regular poster in Haaretz and she claims to be an Australian. My posts on the other hand are never published on the Haaretz talkbacks. Apparently "Jewish extremists" like me are persona non grata for Haaretz :rolleyes:

[JerichoMissile]

Well reffo, i was listening to ABC news radio this morning in the car, and gadaffis supporters were saying "mossad" is behind the unrest, the israel bashing has already begun.:mad:

If mossad is also behind the egypt thing, why now do the egyptian muslims want to "liberate" jerusalem??:rolleyes:

[Reffo]

If mossad is also behind the egypt thing, why now do the egyptian muslims want to "liberate" jerusalem??:rolleyes:Hmmmm, surely you don't expect them to let logic and facts stand in the way of their good story? :p

[Mediocrates]

HRW in 2009:

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2011/02/freedom-house-vs-hrw-on-libya.html

Libya is a special case, because in 2009 its Middle East and North Africa director, Sarah Leah Whitson, gushed about how wonderful things were there. As quoted by Omri Ceren (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/02/20/flashback-anti-israel-voice-gushes-over-tripoli-spring/):
:

For the first time in memory, change is in the air in Libya. The brittle atmosphere of repression has started to fracture, giving way to expanded space for discussion and debate [and] proposals for legislative reform… I left more than one meeting stunned at the sudden openness of ordinary citizens, who criticized the government and challenged the status quo with newfound frankness. A group of journalists we met with in Tripoli complained about censorship… [b]ut that hadn’t stopped their newspapers… Quryna, one of two new semi private newspapers in Tripoli, features page after page of editorials criticizing bureaucratic misconduct and corruption… The spirit of reform, however slowly, has spread to the bureaucracy as well… the real impetus for the transformation rests squarely with a quasi-governmental organization, the Qaddafi Foundation for International Charities and Development.

[Mediocrates]

Stephen "The Jewish Lobby Controls America" Walt on Libya, 2010:

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2010/01/18/the_shores_of_tripoli?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4d61806357d2f52d%2C0

First, although Libya is far from a democracy, it also doesn't feel like other police states that I have visited. I caught no whiff of an omnipresent security service -- which is not to say that they aren't there -- and there were fewer police or military personnel on the streets than one saw in Franco's Spain. The Libyans with whom I spoke were open and candid and gave no sign of being worried about being overheard or reported or anything like that. The TV in my hotel room featured 50+ channels, including all the normal news services (BBC World Service, CNN, MSNBC, Bloomberg, Al Jazeera, etc.) along with contemporary U.S. sitcoms like "2-1/2 Men," shows like "Desperate Housewives," assorted movies, and one of the various "CSI" clones. A colleague on the trip told me that many ordinary Libyans have satellite dishes and that the government doesn't interfere with transmissions. I tried visiting various political websites from my hotel room and had no problems, although other human rights groups report (http://opennet.net/sites/opennet.net/files/ONI_Libya_2009.pdf) that Libya does engage in selective filtering of some political websites critical of the regime. It is also a crime to criticize Qaddafihimself, the government's past human rights record is disturbing (http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2009/12/12/truth-and-justice-can-t-wait)at best, and the press in Libya is almost entirely government-controlled. Nonetheless, Libya appears to be more open than contemporary Iran or China and the overall atmosphere seemed far less oppressive than most places I visited in the old Warsaw Pact.

[Kachah]

Yeah.. just watched some old footage on the news: Tony Blair kissing Gaddafi in both cheeks.. how sweet!
In 2009 alone the UK supplied some $30 billion worth of military equipment to Gaddafi - to help him - wait for it! - fight extremism in the Middle East! Sic! Libya heading human rights committee, Gaddafi fighting extremism.. what's next? Oh, yeah, Tony Blair - UN envoy and Obama leading the Western world. Perfect allignment.

[Mediocrates]

And yet he calls Gaza an open air prison.

http://daledamos.blogspot.com/2011/02/great-britain-gaza-is-hell-on-earth-but.html?m=1


See also:

http://hurryupharry.org/2011/02/22/the-british-left-should-engage-in-serious-self-reflection-over-gaddafi/

[Reffo]

Pearls of wisdom from Paul McGeough of The Morning Herald once again ...

Protesters kept at bay with Western bullets (http://www.smh.com.au/world/protesters-kept-at-bay-with-western-bullets-20110222-1b46s.html)


JUST nine months ago, Professor David Held of the London School of Economics tried to fashion a silk purse from a sow's ear as he introduced invited guests to a very special speaker.

His "foundation devotes itself to humanitarian work … especially in the field of human rights," he told the audience. "Deep liberal values are at the core of his inspiration."

The man who then took the lectern did not just rent it for the night; he bought it with a donation of £1.5 million to the LSE.

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His name was Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the same son of the dictator Muammar Gaddafi who in the early hours of Monday went on Libyan TV to issue his father's threat to a nation he has ruled for four decades: there would be ''rivers of blood'' if they went against the old manAlthough Paul is right with his use of the phrase "fashion a silk purse from a sow's ear", Paul is guilty of doing the same thing. His implication in this article is that Gaddafi, like Saddam before him and other Arab dictators are creatures of the West who were propped up by the West for their own nefarious reasons. Of course, Paul and his fellow political travellers forget to mention the role that the old Soviet Union played even though that's now history. But more importantly, Paul's implication is that Arab societies and culture is blameless and has no role in the creation of these repressive despots and tyrants. According to the Paul McGeougs of this world, if it were not for the influence of outsiders (westerners in particular), Arab societies would be model democracies ruled by the people for the people. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth ...

Having said that, there is one thing that I do agree with Paul McGeough. The West should not be willing to compromise with monsters like Saddam and Gaddafi. Not even for one minute and not even when they become turn-coats and start co-operating with the West. Even then, the west should do everything in their power to ensure that their tyranny ends. But wouldn't you know it? When President Bush did just that with Saddam (who was no less of a monster than Gaddafi), the Paul McGeoghs of this world vilified Bush for toppling Saddam. And Paul McGeough did exactly that when Bush toppled Saddam. McGeough wrote article after article vilifying Bush for it. I guess, the West just cannot do anything right according to Paul McGeough ....

[Kachah]

.. the West just cannot do anything right ....
It can't. Because of colonial connotations.
The only right thing to do now would be to re-colonize (responsibly) these people and put them into Western custody. That way we can spend our aid money on actual aid, not on the warlords' palaces and weapons. That way we can stop African cannibals from mass murdering people for no reason and that's the way for dealing with Gaza or Libya. And gradually, not cut and run like in the 60s, letting the new generations taking charge of their newly realized destinies.
For some reason acting this way in Iraq or Afghanistan is almost possible.
Anyway, colonial rule is the taboo of our world while the only other option is to stop any contacts with them, fence them off and watch them descending into Stone Age. "Co-operation" between the West and gaddafis is a joke.

[dayag]

This isn't a surprise, but I wonder what other crimes will come to light after this rat is hanging from his heels?



Swedish tabloid Expressen says Libya's ex-justice minister claims Muammar Gaddafi personally ordered the Lockerbie bombing that killed 270 people in 1988.


source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4033119,00.html

[Mil]

They should keep on fighting and fighting and fighting.

[Sanket]

They should keep on fighting and fighting and fighting.

Joos should support the protesters by giving them Arms & Ammunition. :cool:

[Mil]

Then they'll just use it against us after they are done with each other. we better play with words as those hurt more.

[Mediocrates]

Gadaffi blames Osama bin Laden for unrest. Claims he put hallucinogenic drugs in their coffee.

No, really.

[GratefulFred]

And the UN has this to say about the matter....Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Kachah]

After all I wouldn't be surprised too much if the whole thing was orchestrated from the Kremlin. The Putinesque Russia is the only one who stands to gain from this mess.

[bararallu]

I think if we send a bomber with pamphlets of "Gaddafi has 1 billion in gold in his house" we guarantee a full on bum rush on this person. It will be like the zombie apocalypse but with people eating couscous not brains.

[Reffo]

LMAO :rofl:

[dayag]

And the UN has this to say about the matter....Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz



The United Nations’ Human Rights Council (HRC) is due to debate the suspension of Libya from the 47-member body when it holds a special session in Geneva on Friday to condemn the violence taking place there.

The meeting marks the first time in the council’s five-year history that it is holding a special session regarding one of its own members.


source: http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=209774

They should drop Goldstone off in downtown Tripoli so that he can see some real war crimes.

[Mediocrates]

In today's edition of Holy F$#%#@ING S$#@IT I would have never guessed in a billion years!!!!

ICC Prosecutor: We Have No Jurisdiction Over Gaddafi War Crimes

’m not a fan of universal jurisdiction, but this really takes the cake. Here’s a statement on Libya (http://www.icc-cpi.int/NR/exeres/9E81068A-5D77-46F0-BAC5-A01AAB30D198.htm) by Luis Moreno-Ocampo, the International Criminal Court’s chief prosecutor, on Libya. “The decision to do justice in Libya should be taken by the Libyan people. Currently, Libya is not a State Party to the Rome Statute. Therefore, intervention by the ICC on the alleged crimes committed in Libya can occur only if the Libyan authorities accept the jurisdiction of the Court, (through article 12(3) of the Rome Statute). In the absence of such step, the United Nations Security Council can decide to refer the situation to the Court. The Office of the Prosecutor will act only after either decision is taken”.
Libyans will know what to do with Gaddafi. He’ll be very, very lucky to make it to The Hague alive.

[Reffo]

No doubt about it that's "International Law" at it's best, according to the UN. They only come alive when they can point their finger on tiny Israel. Arab on Arab bloodshed is NOT their jurisdiction.

Funny, I always understood that law should be upheld without fear or favour and that politics should not play a role in the eyes of the law. Oh well, cest lavie, hypocrites rule ...

[dayag]

The UN Security Council will meet Friday to consider actions against Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's regime that could include sanctions aimed at deterring his violent crackdown on anti-government protesters.

France's UN Mission said late Thursday that Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon will attend the meeting at 3 pm EST (2000 GMT) Friday.



Diplomats said possible sanctions likely to be put on the table include travel bans and asset freezes against Gaddafi and top officials in his government, an arms embargo against the government, and imposition of a no-fly zone over Libya...


source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4033972,00.html

[Mediocrates]

Susan Rice skips Libya meeting to attending meeting on sustainability:
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/02/25/susan-rice-skips-un-meeting-on-libya-goes-to-sustainability-conference-instead/

[YehudithS.]

Oh, I brought that up in another forum and I got an anti-semitic screed for all
my troubles. Stay strong, Israel.

[jbg]

Firing at bystanders at a funneral has been so done before. Even blowing up nurseries. Maybe the news will take interest when the first million get killed.Or if Israel knocks off one suicide bomber before he nails his hundreds.

[JerichoMissile]

Gadaffi blames Osama bin Laden for unrest. Claims he put hallucinogenic drugs in their coffee.

No, really.
Im in complete shock here that Gadaffi HASENT openly blamed israel/mossad/jews but bin ladin/drugs/alcohol, its truly a remarkable day, a muslim dictator about to get crushed and NOT blaming their eternal enemy israel/jews is truly a remarkable and historic day.
Although maybe he will blame israel/jews openly in a few days, that wouldnt surprise me.

[GratefulFred]

I don't think that Gadaffi is finished playing the blame game and like any true evil muslim he'll find time to blame the Zionist lobby for sponsering Bin-Ladin's coup.

[jbg]

Im in complete shock here that Gadaffi HASENT openly blamed israel/mossad/jews but bin ladin/drugs/alcohol, its truly a remarkable day, a muslim dictator about to get crushed and NOT blaming their eternal enemy israel/jews is truly a remarkable and historic day. I guess we can take this as some kind of progress in his fevered brain. I dont' think it is an indicator one way or another about how post-Qadafi Libya evolves.


I don't think that Gadaffi is finished playing the blame game and like any true evil muslim he'll find time to blame the Zionist lobby for sponsering Bin-Ladin's coup.Yes his paranoia could take strange turns.

[Sanket]

Graffiti in tripoli says you jew (http://noah.simonstudio.com/2011/02/graffiti-in-tripoli-says-you-jew.html)

Armed men in green armbands, along with uniformed security forces check those trying to enter the district, where graffiti that says "Gadhafi, you Jew," "Down to the dog," and "Tajoura is free" was scrawled on walls.

[NewsGuy]

Graffiti in tripoli says you jew (http://noah.simonstudio.com/2011/02/graffiti-in-tripoli-says-you-jew.html)

Armed men in green armbands, along with uniformed security forces check those trying to enter the district, where graffiti that says "Gadhafi, you Jew," "Down to the dog," and "Tajoura is free" was scrawled on walls.
Right, in every one of these revolutions, the "freedom-loving" Muslims express their anti-Semitism and racism openly. Basically, the Muslim world is based on hatred and violence.

[Reffo]

F....ing idiots! That's why Jews cannot have a one state solution in which an Arab majority would rule by default. Because everytime something goes wrong in their miserable lives, Arabs start hunting for Jews to blame. That's what happened in 1929 in Hebron when they massacred Jews and that's what is still happening today when Arabs are unhappy about ANYTHING, anything at all.

I just watched the Doha debates again today and once again a bright spark Arab just had to bring in Israel in relation to Tunis. I don't know what Israel has to do with Tunis's problems. These people are just obsessed with Israel and Jews. We don't want to live with Arabs, just leave us alone. You live your lives and we will live our lives. Let's not have anything to do with one another OK?

[Kachah]

Unfortunately, Reffo, it's not possible. If the mountain won't come to Muhammad then Muhammad will go to the mountain and make the 9/11 to it.

[Mil]

Now that they are done with their Dear leaders the Arabs should start fighting each other to prove on who is more "Democratic"

[jbg]

Now that they are done with their Dear leaders the Arabs should start fighting each other to prove on who is more "Democratic"Maybe they all kill each other off? That's a plan.

[Mediocrates]

The UN discovered they abuse human rights.

http://honestreporting.com/libya-a-human-rights-abuser-shocking/

[Kenneth]

France has become the first country to formally recognise the legitimacy of the rebellion in Libya, acknowledging the National Transitional Council (NTC) as the rightful government.

http://newswhip.ie/international/france-recognises-libyan-rebels-as-legitimate-government-25453

http://www.france24.com/en/20110310-France-NTC-national-transitional-council-embassy-Libya

[Mediocrates]

Good to know we can rely on the EU states to endorse the legitimacy of civil war. I wholly embrace Flaming France. Really, this 'endorsement' is silliness.

[Kenneth]

Yup, and the "NTC" will turn out to be whomever France says it was. This ME/North African crisis lends good distraction opportunities from domestic problems for Sarkozy however. More of this nonsense will follow. He's pushing for no flight zones and for strikes on military positions.

[jimsouth]

When I began posting my research on Islam ( and Islamic atrocities ) on another forum, I was more or less told to stand down. Some people have problems digesting the truth. This liberal out of sight out of mind crap doesn't fly with me. Truth is truth. There are literally dozens of web sites that report the daily atrocities committed worldwide by Islamic radicals; and to date, I cannot find a single web site that reports any subhuman behavior by Jews and or Christians. I do know this is very frustrating for our liberals who support and defend Islam. If this insane behavior were reversed, and Jews and Christians were responsible for the insanity, we would see 24/7 liberal media coverage. I do recommend the following web sites: Islam Watch , Jihad Watch, Bare Naked Islam, the Opinionator, the Religion of Peace, the Gates of Vienna, to name a few. Islam Watch is especially interesting; since it was created by ex Muslims; and they literally risk their lives to report the truth about Islam. That certainly takes courage.

[Kachah]

Amusing. France openly denounced Gaddafi and recognized whoever ot whatever as a legitimate power in Lybia. The rest of the Western world didn't go as far but definitely in some way dropped Gaddafi from its good books (including the UK - and this is shortly after an historic kissing with Toni Blair and multi-billion arms deals). Even the Arab League is demanding punishment of the Gaddafi regime and no-fly zones.
And guess what? - the only country which didn't join this choir was... Israel!
Now, seeing that Gaddafi forces are apparently having the upper hand (sort of expected after all, it's not about the quality of his army, it's just the tanks are bigger and heavier than the jeeps) - where does it put all the players? Should be fun to watch obamanoids explaining to the world how this is all part of "engaging the ME and promoting democracy".
How is it that CIA and other spooks on multi-billion dollar budgets came to this totally unprepared, without any plans, contingencies etc etc? Do they still employ analysts or it has been outsourced to India in totality?

[Reffo]

Do they still employ analysts or it has been outsourced to India in totality?LOL, I wonder why you said that ...:rofl:

[Reffo]

I think that it's fair to say now that reports of Muammar Gaddafi's death were premature and exaggerated. I dare say, we haven't heard the last of this mad dog or as his enemies tried to depict him (Jew) dog. I mean, aren't all bad people in this world Jews? According to some people at least ... ? :scratch:

[Mediocrates]

The Arab League asked the US to enforce NO-Fly Zones. But they have planes. Let them do it themselves.

[Kachah]

LOL, I wonder why you said that ...:rofl:Well, don't you wonder? The whole Mahgreeb and Middle East go up in flames, 30 and 40 yo regimes are being shaken off and it all comes as a surprise to the people who are employed precisely to be eyes and ears and know what's coming. Tunisia - no idea, Mubarak - Obama's rants just embarassing, Libya - plain stupid and ridiculous, now Yemen, Bahrain - and nobody had a clue! How the hell was that possible?

[Reffo]

Yes, I agree with you. And some of the analysts that they DID have in the past, are worse than a joke. I remember this ex CIA dude (I think he was CIA) who is very much active as a commentator on various TV channels, who goes around and repeats the mantra that Israel is a liability to the US and that Israel has to be ditched. He seems to have no other "wisdom" to offer other than that. One could be excused for thinking that it's a manic obsession of his. But then again, when it comes to Jews, there seem to be a lot of people who are obsessed. He certainly is not alone ...

Darn, I seem to have forgotten his name, his face is in front of me, he has a beard ... :scratch:

[SpaceCowboy]

Yes, I agree with you. And some of the analysts that they DID have in the past, are worse than a joke. I remember this ex CIA dude (I think he was CIA) who is very much active as a commentator on various TV channels, who goes around and repeats the mantra that Israel is a liability to the US and that Israel has to be ditched. He seems to have no other "wisdom" to offer other than that. One could be excused for thinking that it's a manic obsession of his. But then again, when it comes to Jews, there seem to be a lot of people who are obsessed. He certainly is not alone ...

Darn, I seem to have forgotten his name, his face is in front of me, he has a beard ... :scratch:

Michael Schneur - he's no friend of Israel, but he does take the Jihadist threat seriously. He's a bit strange.

[Reffo]

Yes, that's it. That's his name, thanks ...

Yes, he does seem to take the Jihadis seriously but not seriously enough to want to hang on to the only serious ally that Uncle sam has in the Middle East. He seems to favour only turn coat Arab regimes and the Saudis who were the ones who spawned Al Quaida in the first place ...

[Mediocrates]

In the meantime the Lockerbie bomber has a new Laborghini and a multimillion dollar mansion:
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2011/03/09/lockerbie-bomber-abdelbaset-al-megrahi-s-lamborghini-trips-to-see-new-mansion-86908-22976527/

Go England!

[Mediocrates]

There is no and there never was any NATO coalition. Germany who voted against, dropped out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1368693/Libya-war-Germans-pull-forces-NATO-Libyan-coalition-falls-apart.html#ixzz1HRePqwIM

[Mediocrates]

STRATFOR: is an insurgency in Libya's future? Could be.

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110323-libyas-terrorism-option?utm_source=SWeekly&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=110324&utm_content=readmore&elq=1727363261414ffd9b40f5e1873fa0c6