An Arab comes out of the closet.

[L@mplighterM]

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[takeo]

lol
Before one reads this one should read your post, to which this
one was an answer. (And I think it must be clear to anyone with at least 50% brain capacity that this was a caricature of you and raven(and someowhat of Aid and Negev too).

[L@mplighterM]

Answer???? I don't know whatever you're talking about. I never asked a question. I'm happy tha't you really showed what's in your heart.

[NewsGuy]

Here's a quote from takeo:


Nice to hear that lomplighter,
me on the other hand i always loved sharon and i think he has the right to kill as many terrorists as he likes, and their women and children too, as these will be future terrorists and in fact all Arabs are terrorists and must be destroyed. I think Israel has the right to occupy whatever land its needs and displace the terrorist inhabitants to make new place for israeli terrorists, Israel needs "Drang nach Osten", in fact Begin was crazy to give the Sinai back to those terrorists and the inhabitants of Jordan need to be displaced because they don't belong there, they came from Creta. Also the egyptian terrorists must be punished for what those Farao's did to the Jewish people, Egyptie belongs to israel and is now occupied by terrorists!
Anyone opposing those plans is an anti-semitic cockrauch and needs to be put out of his misery. Belgium and France are such anti-semitics so these countries must be attacked with nuclear weapons.
also i think that those Palestinians need to be separated from all Jews, put in camps and than we think about how to make an end to their misery.
this are the pacifist and democratic plans to save the jewish people from another Holocaust by a red-brown-frensh-UN-arab-meretz coalition of cockrauches, supported by all jews around the world. Anyone calling it fascism or etnic cleansing will have to face the Mossad, for the sake of democracy, human rights and the jewish people and the anti-terrorist struggle.


ROFL!!!!

Now you're starting to get it!
:D :D :D

[takeo]

the fact that some people think this is serious and endorse it, scares the hell out of me.

[L@mplighterM]

WOW !!!!!! What a transformation takeo I've never seen anything like it and who says people cant change.

[JustSad]

This is unbelievable. If this is the way you think, don't be surprised when the world turns it's back to Israel.
I hope you are a tiny extremist-minority in Israel.
Or is the entire country filled with this kind of unrealistic fear and hate?

And you blame the other party for not wanting peace?

[takeo]

Unfortunately it is not a tiny minority in Israel (and among American Jews). This is the uncensored voice of Likud and Sharon, the right-wing in Israel.

[JustSad]

I am afraid there is basically not much difference between the way extremists as many posters in this forum think, and the way the Bin Ladens of this world reason.

The common attitude in this forum seems to be something like: "The only Good Palestinian is a Dead Palestinian". Someone actually wrote that he thinks they should be driven into the sea. Sharon himself said he is sad he did not kill Arafat earlier.

I hate terrorist attacks regardless of where they come from. I despict Palestinian bombings. But Israeli gunships shooting missiles at people in cars makes me equally sick. So do most postings here and the way Sharon expresses himself.

Is it to much asked for that the Israeli people, who claim to be high above the stupid Palestians, start showing that they are the wiser side of the two?

The way discussions go in this forum and outside this cybercorner, give little reason to prefer an Israeli extremist over a Palestinian idiot or the other Bin Ladens of this world.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by JustSad

The common attitude in this forum seems to be something like: "The only Good Palestinian is a Dead Palestinian". Someone actually wrote that he thinks they should be driven into the sea. Sharon himself said he is sad he did not kill Arafat earlier.

... But Israeli gunships shooting missiles at people in cars makes me equally sick. So do most postings here and the way Sharon expresses himself.

JustSad,

First of all, instead of giving us all some kind of preachy pseudo-intellectual lecture on what our points of view should be, it would be better for you to make your point with facts.

Here on this forum all opinions are welcome, although they can (and should) be challenged by anyone who so desires.

As for your points, when you talk about Israeli gunships shooting missiles at "people" you deliberately leave out the fact that those "people" just happen to be undisputed terrorists who were directly involved in the mass murder of Jews. I understands that this is a typical European ploy, never putting Israel's struggle against Arab terrorism in context, but here you it will be pointed out.

You should also understand that there is now a war against terrorism and that is not en extremist position. It is the position of any sane country. Opposing the war on terrorism and wishing that Israel stop defending itself is, IMO, the true extremist position.

[JustSad]

Newsguy,

you have an interesting point there. Actually a few interesting points.

First the word: terrorist. Using this word just seems to justify anything these days.

But could you please provide us with a good and valid definition of the word terrorist?

The Chinese call the people in Taiwan terrorists. The US called the opposition in Nicaragua terrorist untill they took over power. From that moment on the US called them "The legal government". The people in Nicaragua called them freedom fighters from the beginning.

I can not remember i said that i wished that Israel stopped defending itself.

What i mean is that the Israeli State claims a moral dominance of the underdeveloped Arabs surrounding them. Being an oasis of sanity and civilisation.
I see little of this in the way it handles the conflict.

And concerning the gunships and their missiles. In a civilized country like Israel people who are suspects of a crime should be brought to court. Let the judges decide. Killing them from a distance with missiles, while no-one knows who else is in the car, is just as criminal.

[L@mplighterM]

You want one side to act civilized whilst the other side commits terrorists acts?
By killing a terrorist you save innocent human lives like a 40 year old woman and her 11 year old daughter.
I?m not going to define potential terrorist or terrorist for you because that would most likely seem like I was Arab bashing.

[JustSad]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM

I?m not going to define potential terrorist or terrorist for you because that would most likely seem like I was Arab bashing.

Or is it to difficult a question? Don't worry. The definition should not be limited to arabs alone. The definition of the word definition implies that it an explanation that covers all aspects and occurances of a certain fenomenon

[L@mplighterM]

Don’t worry Just/takeo or whoever you are you know exactly what constitutes a terrorist.
No you don’t have to be an Arab to be a terrorist. If you’re a Muslim Fundamentalists you’re well on your way to becoming a terrorist. Are you a Islamic Muslim Fundamentalist ?

I’ve spoken to you people for years on Arabic Chats posing as a poor Sunni Muslim living in the Great US. I arrived there as a child immigrated from the middle-east as an immigrant. You would be amazed how people open up to you once you gained their trust and they think you’re one of them.

One thing I can say is that you people have lousy internet connections in Syria, so-called Palestine, and Pakistan.The Egyptian connections are a bit better. I wish that I could say that on the average you behaved like human beings after 9/11 but you didn’t.

From a pool of about 100 regular chatters I would say that about 80% supported the attacks, the others didn’t give an opinion one way or the other. I would say that there’s 100% support (the people I chatted to)for the terrorist activities endorsed by Arafat and other Arab States.

People don’t wake up one morning and hate Muslims it’s a gradual thing. Kidnapping, hijacking, terrorism and murder of innocent humans.

How would I define a terrorist? Well I think you’re a supporter of terrorist based on your writings. I say that because you can’t differentiate between actions taken to achieve peace and terrorism.

[Negev]

Originally posted by JustSad


Or is it to difficult a question? Don't worry. The definition should not be limited to arabs alone.

i think that you're the one who is worried and sad. take it easy.

looks to me like terrorism is a deliberate attack targeting citizens in order to promote political gain.

for example islamic mass murderers try to kill as many jewish shoppers as possible or blow themselves up on buses this is terrorism.

when israel uses smart bombs in its war on arab terrorism and uses the utmost care to avoid palestinian civilian casualties then that is a civilized way of self defense.

of course you would like us not to use the word terrorism so much because it embarrasses you as an arab. too bad about that.

[Negev]

Originally posted by JustSad
And you blame the other party for not wanting peace?

yes exactly right.

when the palestinians were offered their own country they refused and turned to murder innocent israelis. are you confused by this?

[Flame]

Wonder how many suicide bombings would the US put up with before taking major action against rebels? How many rebels would the US allow throwing even rocks at police? How many politicians would the US allow be murdered before the US took action?

Takeo... if you are still claiming to be a Jew... which I just don't see is possible since you show no knowledge of Jewish history... tell me this, this is something non-Jews don't know, but a Jew will. What is it that makes Jerusalem important to Jews, what, if the temple was rebuilt... would that be important.... and why is Hebron important to Jews.... the answers are specific and only a Jew would know.

Takeo and sad... why do you shut your eyes to the blaring facts. Jordan was once in the land called palestine. Israel is in the land once called palestine. palestine was divided... 80% for arabs... Jordan and 20% for Jews... Israel. The land in dispute from 64 was Jordan and Egypt... not even palestine, as palestine ceased to exist after 48. And SAD... there are more "pals" in Jordan than in Israel and living in far worse conditions. Not only that, but the rich "pals" have gone on to better things in Europe and America and a large portion of today's pal rebels are recuites from all over the arab world. There is no palestine people... just a movement to liberate the land which was once called palestine and those who are in the movement.

The rest who call themselves palestinian are arab muslims living in israel, refusing to acknowledge that they are citizens of Israel.

[takeo]

In Hebron was the cave first taken by Abraham some 4000 years ago, it was the beginning of Yudaism in Israel.
and in Jerusalem the tirth temple should be build as a divine obligation, after the first and second were destroyed. Some think however that the temple should be build from Heaven.
I know some religious history yet not much as non of my parents were religious. Anyway, all this doesn't matter, unless for religious people and historians.

the US isn't occupying Mexico or Cuba, all the territory of the US is recognised as such and no single state is part of the US against the will of the majority of the people. That makes the situation totally different.

You are contradicting yourself, first you say palestinians don't exist, than you say Jordanians are palestinians finally you say palestine ceased to exist in 1948 (so with palestine you mean israel, not jordan!). when the british separated Jordan from palestine, they called there area between the sea and the Jordan palestine (as every time during history) and the other part "Jordan". Palestine was never meant for the Jews exclusively by the Brittish, nor by any other ruler.
Palestine didn't cease to exist in 1948, it was only occupied by Jordan, Egypt and Israel. However the first two let the palestinians live in their houses, cities and villages, the last refused them to return after they fled the war.
So you deny that there is a refugee-problem, and all those people living in refugee-camps come from other Arab countries perform this comedy with the only purpose to fight Israel?
This is again one of those theories that have been prooven again and again false. in fact most older people in the refugee-camps still have the papers prooving they owned the house or garden that is now inside Israel. The "arab Israeli" are just a tiny part of the original palestinian population that were allowed to stay.

"I say that because you can’t differentiate between actions taken to achieve peace and terrorism."
he can, better than you, he aknowledges that with destroying hospitals, airports, houses and pA-buildings you won't achive peace but terrorism (and this acts are seen as state-terror by a large part of the world).

of course the Palestinians don't even have internet, Israel deprives them of everything, even internet.
And i have many Arab friends and none of them support al-quaida (some or even moest of them support terrorism against Israel, however not against civilians. After being at war with eachother for years and seeing their brothers persecuted one can't expect sudden solidarity , chatrooms and forums are by the way not representative but tend to overvalhe the extremist and radical opinions, as the forum demonstrates .
People don't wake up in the worning either and hate Jews it's not that simple, they hate Jews after years of persecution .

[cerulean]

It looks to me like Palestinians can have Internet connections. Not to mention they seem quite capable of having cellular phones to help coordinate their terrorist actions.

If anyone has Palestinian friends unable to get Internet connections, please direct them to this page:

http://www.middle-east-pages.com/Palestine/isp.html


Here is one specifically for Gaza Strip residents:

http://www.p-i-s.com/about.htm

[JustSad]

Sorry to let you down boys.

There's nothing Arab about me. Both my parents are white as snow. Father Dutch, mother Danish. Jews from fatherside, allthough not religious.

Internetconnections are OK here. Have a 512/512 k ADSL-line.
Actually i don't care a bit about the connections in the ME countries.
I am just a concerned father, who is worried about the way things develop for BOTH the Israeli and the Palestinian people.

Thanks for the insults.

[L@mplighterM]

Does your Jewishness go back to Lucy on your fathers side? Actually takeo/Just being Dutch or Danish dosen't mean much these days.
I've seen former ******** there that call themselves Dutch or Danish. The only thing that was missing was the **** through the nose.

CENCORED