buy them out!

[takeo]

I have read here some people who suggested that the "arabs" could be bought out of the occupied territories, this reminds me (again) of WWII.
The so-called Haavara-agreements between the german ministry of economy and zionist representatives from palestine and Germany in 1933.
Hitler wanted the Jews out and the palestinian zionists wanted them in, so this was an excellent opportunity for a deal.
Every Jew leaving Germany could bring 1000 pound in cash and 20000 mark in natura. This was an exception of the law at that time that didn't allow capital flight (because of the big crash some years before). Those 1000 pound were enough to pay the british administration who imposed a fee on every newcomer of... 1000 pound. The german state payed 20000 mark for every immigrated jew to the Anglo-palestinian bank, which payed german companies to deliver the goods to palestine. The office of Haavara in Tel Aviv sold the goods and divided the profit between the recently immigrated German Jews. Between 1933 and 1939 50 to 60000 German, Austrian and czech jews used this agreemen. In 1935 the world zionist organisation legitimised the agreement, amidst protests of many American jews.

There are other examples as well.
the book of Norman Finkelstein about the "Holocaust-industry" is very interesting for anyone who see the Holocaust as a tool to achieve all kinds of advantages.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by takeo
I have read here some people who suggested that the "arabs" could be bought out of the occupied territories, this reminds me (again) of WWII.

I really don't understand the connection between a real-estate deal and between Nazism. IMHO, there is no connection whatsoever.

It's like saying that if someone spends money at a hot dog stand and pays cash for a hot dog and a Coke, then it reminds you of Hitler paying BMW for the gas chamber engines, because cash changed hands in both cases.

[Negev]

Originally posted by takeo
I have read here some people who suggested that the "arabs" could be bought out of the occupied territories

not "bought out". "kicked out" is more like it.

[L@mplighterM]

It wasn't people that posted the article regarding buying real estate. It was one person me.
It's a weird analogy you used, strange to say the least.

But then again I suppose Arabs are bizarre.

After giving the matter some thought I believe that it should be established whose land it belongs to and see if a deal could be brokered with them to buy the land.

[takeo]

the connection is that etnic cleansing don't necessarily has to happen trough to violence (but that is Negev's favorite) but can as well be established trough economic means, as both the nazi's and the zionists understood in the 30's.
The problem is that, according to polls in palestinian refugee-camps in Libanon, only a small minority would accept money in return for their stolen land. And i'm sure even a smaller minority in westbank or Gaza.

[takeo]

sorry lomplighter, next time you will receive a personal mentioning!

[L@mplighterM]

Their land wasn't stolen they are trying to steel it.

[takeo]

the Haavara-agreements are another evidence that etnic-centered and nationalistic zionism and nazism had a lot in common.

[takeo]

it was stolen and taken away from the original people who owned it for centuries.

[Negev]

Originally posted by takeo
it was stolen and taken away from the original people who owned it for centuries.

yes. that original people is the jewish people.

[L@mplighterM]

it was stolen and taken away from the original people who owned it for centuries.

You're 100% wrong takeo.

[takeo]

I'm 100% right and the truth bothers you.

[victot]

i am studying this in school these days.
when the zionist movement started up, the jews purchased pieces of land of palestein, at very, very high prices... by 1946 they had purchased a total of 6% of the land...

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by victot
... the jews purchased pieces of land of palestein, at very, very high prices... by 1946 they had purchased a total of 6% of the land...

Right. The Arabs willingly sold their swamp-land at exorbitant prices to Jews, figuring that the land was worthless. Of course, Jewish ingenuity and hard work at draining the swamps by planting Eucalyptus trees proved otherwise.

But still, as Arab propaganda goes, all land was "stolen," you see, because actual facts like the land being legally sold to Jews, just stands in the way of Arab self-delusion.

[watcher]

Originally posted by victot
i am studying this in school these days.
when the zionist movement started up, the jews purchased pieces of land of palestein, at very, very high prices... by 1946 they had purchased a total of 6% of the land...

Israel has been gracious by buying back it's own land from the strangers instead of just giving outright handouts, but "palestinians" show very little appreciation towards generosity of Israel.

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by NewsGuy


Right. The Arabs willingly sold their swamp-land at exorbitant prices to Jews, figuring that the land was worthless. Of course, Jewish ingenuity and hard work at draining the swamps by planting Eucalyptus trees proved otherwise.

But still, as Arab propaganda goes, all land was "stolen," you see, because actual facts like the land being legally sold to Jews, just stands in the way of Arab self-delusion.

That's correct HARD work and ingenuity.

[takeo]

Watcher, it was their land.
newsguy, you have to read the whole sentence, it said 6 %, which means that 94 % was stolen, and certainly no part of gaza and westbank was bought from the palestinians, it was all taken from them by brutal military force, the same brutal force that is now coming back in the face of Israel as a boomerang.
The majority of the refugees still have their papers of property for the case they would be able to return. They didn't sell their land and they received nothing for it.

[takeo]

:cool:

[victot]

i do think the creation of the jewish state of israel was an injustice on the palesitinian arabs living there...
but given the situation at the time, the importance of israel to the jews...
i dont know what else could have been done; i think there was and still is tremendous efforts to try and make peace, to give compensation...
takeo, what do you think the jews coming out of europe at the time should have done?
also, i think had the arab armies won any of the wars they started with israel... they would have been far less mercifull.

[watcher]

Takeo,

Yes it was their land so they didn't need to buy it back from these "palestinians", and yes it was not completely stolen... Most of Israel was removed but some were allowed to stay in the then renamed land of Israel. By the way they renamed the land "palestine" at the time, a label that is now long overdue for its removal after all of their actions.

Also if they have their deeds then why don't they return to their homes and leave Israel alone? Their countries have more than enough space than to bother with Israel.

BTW the victot thing looks too see through! How long do you plan to keep that up?

[takeo]

hey not everyone with some sence is the same person, i am only takeo, not mrsceptic, justsad, that guy who said he was from bagdad or victot. I received a message from justsad however who couldn't bear anymore the cruelties he heard on this board and the constant humiliation.
I can understand his reaction but i've been in Israel and the Gaza-strip and experienced worse, even lomplighter is a moderate compared to those nuts colonizers in the Gaza-strip.
And for the last time: Palestinians lived there for 2000 years, it is (also) their land!

[L@mplighterM]

Who are you going to be in the guest house takeo???? Castro?????
I think you're full of ****. The forum is beginning to stink! I dont even think you've ever been off your potty.

[takeo]

takeo, what do you think the jews coming out of europe at the time should have done?
also, i think had the arab armies won any of the wars they started with israel... they would have been far less mercifull.

You're full of **** too man

they should have stayed in Europe of course, or migrate to America as many others did, where they would be more welcome.
But now it's too late they are in Israel and will stay there (as will the palestinians).

had the Arab armies won than the us would have intervened to save some part of Israel.

[takeo]

lomplighter, give me your adres and i'll send you a postcard!