Turkey-Israel relations, very crazy theory

[Cellis]

Hi
I had a crazy though about all these Israel-Turkey problems. I made up something crazy. I think Israel and Turkey are still very good allies, maybe even much better than it used to be. Maybe Bibi and Erdogan love each other. US was pushing Turkey for missile defense installments against Iran and I think it's a great favor for Israel. They thought the Turkish folk shouldn't know about it because it can shake internal politics. Bibi and Erdogan agreed on chain reactions of conflicts that would look just like two states are breaking the strong relationship thus they would convince their folks and all the events would look realistic. Mavi Marmara, Davos, Airport checks, joint military practices and so on. They are all very well planned by the both sides. Meanwhile Erdogan could get more Arab sympathy and money flow and could look like an angel to Iran.

US agreed with Turks for air defense installments. We could barely see this in press. Viola! If Iran decides to send some rockets, they will be detected by NATO's air defense system and Israel will prepare for a possible attack much more earlier.

Edit: Even the Palmer report can be a production of a hard work of both Turkey and Israel for legalizing the Gaza blockade.

I don't claim it's true but makes a little sense.

[Iacob]

Iran is hardly the real issue.

The real underlying issue, imo, is the potential gas reservoir of Leviathan and Block 12.
Turkey is happy to ruin their relations with Israel to get their hand on it.
On Leviathan by claiming Lebanon/Gaza strip ownership and on Cyprus Block 12 by claiming ownership from the Turkish-occupied north.

Therefore, they must control the eastern mediterranean sea, risking military confrontation if they have to.

[Mediocrates]

When Turkey talks about its neighbors it uses the expansive outlines of the Ottoman Empire to delineate who Turkey's neighbors are.

[johnvonneumann]

Cellis' theory reminds me of something. From time to time I actually read some online Turkish papers. One characteristic of most of the articles on international politics is he following view: nothing is ever what it seems to be, everything is the result of some conspiracy by hidden forces (most often US,UK, the Zionists and Germany - and sometimes all of them together). I have already read many times that the Turkish Islamists are really US puppets and that America, if it wanted, could remove them any time. Instead it is using them to weaken the Turkish army. The idea that Erdogan's hostility to Israel is "fake" is, in fact, the standard line of the opposition in Ankara, see:
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-255920-israeli-rift-shows-zero-problems-policy-failed-mhp-leader-says.html
If you read more of the articles (written by educated and intelligent Turks) you will find many more conspiracy theories. Well, one thing all these people have in common, I bet they have never try to make a conspiracy themselves - they would then realise how hard it is to succeed even when there are just a few persons involved - not to mention hundreds or thousands.

Perhaps there is one exception - Russia. It has a tradition of successful conspiracies like no other country in the world. But that's another story.

Talking of Cyprus, gas, and the Leviathan gas field, I suggest reading this http://www.al-majalla.com/en/geopolitics/article247806.ece
This comes from the "opposite end", i.e. Greece. Note the role of Gazprom (which is rarely discussed in this context). The thing to remember: you can't really make a major deal today with a Cypriot company today without Russia being involved in some role. A gas deal more than any other. Today Gazprom to a large extent makes Russia's foreign policy. I am pretty sure that this fact will have a major impact on how this story develops. I am not at all sure how well the Turks understand this but I am sure at least Lieberman does.