France demands a palestinian state

[Flame]

Paris would do nicely.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by Flame
Paris would do nicely.

I could defnitely see Paris as a capital for both the French and Palestinian states, with certain parts of the city only open to Arabs.

The rest of France could be divided into two states, with the Arabs allowed to arm themselves and prepare for a special Jihad.

Then Israel could tell France that the French people are the obstacle to peace and threaten to cut off trade with France unless they allow the Palestinians to bring back another 3 million Palestinian refugees into the French half of the country.

Hey, wait a minute... France is already an Arab state. No wonder it seems so natural!

:cool:

[NewsGuy]

This is really fascinating:

From the CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/02/09/europe.mideast/index.html) report on this topic:

"France proposed an outline of a plan Saturday that calls for the immediate declaration of a Palestinian state and Palestinian elections, even before a cease-fire is reached in the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians.

That's really amazing that the final goal of the Palestinians, i.e., the ultimate end-game is to be handed to the Arabs before even starting to negotiate.

This is a very strong message that for the French, the only thing that counts is giving the Arabs anything the Arabs want at Israel's expense, and that the loss of Jewish lives means absolutely nothing. For the French, Jewish blood is not just cheap, it is worthless.

I don't even understand what the negotiations will be about, if there is already a Palestinians state. Nowhere would there be a prerequisite that the Palestinian state would be free of weapons of mass destruction. Nowhere would it be required that the regime would be democratic.

This is a vile French plot to set Israel up for all kinds of UN resolutions which are certain to bring about the destruction of Israel.

[victot]

maybe if palestinians got there own state, they'd have more to live for, then to simply blow up jews...

[cerulean]

Getting their own state (rather, more like getting another state) will not solve economic, cultural, and educational problems.

[NewsGuy]

It reminds me what Ariel Sharon said after September 11, when the US was considering unwelcome policies. The same goes for France:

"Don't appease the Arabs on our account!"

[L@mplighterM]

When I look at the garbage in the Gaza Strip I don’t think they deserve anything. It reminds me of the slums in Barcelona in the last century. There’s no excuse to live in garbage and they have had every opportunity to better themselves but they spend the money on weapons. Their brothers don’t give a damn about them they prefer to invest their money in the US or the EU where it’s safe.

Arabs are their own worst enemies if it wasn’t for US intervention to protect its oil supply the Arabs would kill each other off within a decade. The same goes for the Blacks in Africa if the Europeans wouldn’t have colonized the continent they’d be all gone.
As a matter of fact if Israelis moved away from the area and left all their weapons (not the nukes) behind the population in that area would thin out quickly. Come back in 10-20 years and all the Arabs will be toast.

Well that was just a thought. Here's another one Sharon is a pussy cat.

[victot]

i think it's very important that they get a democratically elected guy in there though...
i think the fact that arafat just stays there, without any elections encourages those radical groups to rise up, and act on their own behalf. i think if 1 guy is democratically elected, and the radical groups who run are democratically defeated, there will be less actions on their behald agaisnt israel. thats what i think

[watcher]

Originally posted by victot
maybe if palestinians got there own state, they'd have more to live for, then to simply blow up jews...

"palestinians" have their own countries to go to they don't need to try to take Israel for a state... They didn't bother until Israel returned anyways.

[watcher]

Originally posted by victot
i think it's very important that they get a democratically elected guy in there though...
i think the fact that arafat just stays there, without any elections encourages those radical groups to rise up, and act on their own behalf. i think if 1 guy is democratically elected, and the radical groups who run are democratically defeated, there will be less actions on their behald agaisnt israel. thats what i think

Again there are leaders in their own countries to even bother to keep the name "palestine" as an excuse to send bloodthirsty murderers into Israel. "palestinians" need to dismantle their settlements and move back where they came from if they can't control themselves.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by victot
i think it's very important that they get a democratically elected guy in there though...

Yes, you're right about that.

I think that one of the preconditions to any second Palestinian state needs to be that it would be a democratic one.

However, the main problem with this, which is why the PA is currently shunning elections, is that they know that the majority of the Palestinian population would vote for an Islamic dictatorship lead by Hamas and Hizbullah.

IMHO, this would be just fine, because it would show once and for all the true nature of the Palestinain people and would result in a Palestinian state rejected by the entire world.

[takeo]

That is why Sharon is destroying the moderate forces in Palestina, he really hopes, as you do, that the extremists will come to power. Anyway elections can only be hold in a free and peacefull country (and untill this happens the last democratically elected president will keep the power), that means first palestine needs to be independant, and after the latest EU- conference about the MiddleEast it will not take long time untill the EU and the UN will recognise Arafat as the legitimate president of Gaza and Westbank. It will make Sharon's position not to negociate with the palestinians even more desperate. If he ever wants peace than he will have to deal with Arafat, like it or not. After this an independant palestinian state will be established and security-mesures can be taken to prevent new wars between the two states. Anyway the future of you extremists seem to be grim, more and more people in Israel resist against Sharon's policy not to negociate with arafat about the witdrawel of Israeli forces and an end to the violence fom both sides.
And why should france take palestinians? They never lived in France, they lived in palestina or still live there under a heavy repression.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by takeo
That is why Sharon is destroying the moderate forces in Palestina, he really hopes, as you do, that the extremists will come to power.

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And why should france take palestinians? They never lived in France, they lived in palestina or still live there under a heavy repression.

Again, there are no moderate Palestinian forces.

But I hope that the Palestinians get to freely choose the governement that best represents their political goals. That way the world can better judge who Palestinians really are.

As for France, the French are the patrons of the Arabs and should take in maybe a million or two Palestinian refugees as a show that France is really serious in the Arab cause.

Actually, already France is a largely Arab country, so this would be a natural step.

And if not Palestinians, maybe some Morrocans and Algerians and Syrians and some Haitians and Africans from all the countries that France has brutally colonized and repressed, just as a humanitarian gesture befitting a country of France's caliber. I would really like to see that happen, although I will probably not. This is all part of France's hypocricy about the Palestinian refugee issue.

[Flame]

I think by now its obvious that the pals don't just want a state of their own... a little honesty would be nice (ha ha ha like when the pope is jewish) and just come right out and say it to the world that what they really want is Israel.

France is already 15% arab... why not make it 25 or 50%... sounds good to me.

Just remember this... the forefathers of France were pink-faced fat men,, who wore makeup, silk stockings, high heels, and wigs.

[takeo]

The US wouldn't exist without France. and France don't occupy any land from the Arabs (anymore), it did in Algeria, with a ferocious war and terrorism against France as a consequence, but finally the French came to the wise conclusion that they can't occupy a people against their will and withrawed. And the 15 percents algerians (7 million) in France show that France did take its responsablilities, even if those Algerians weren't born in France(as the palestinians who were born and cleansed from israel) Israel hasn't come to that conclusion yet but it won't take much longer.
The goal is the withdrawel of the occupied territories and the return of the refugees, as rescibed by the un-resolutions. The plo in return will accept the existance and peace of Israel. (it did already, but israel didn't keep its promises from oslo to completely withdraw and accept a palestinian state in 1999)

[Flame]

What a comedian you are Takeo...the US wouldn't exist without France... other than wine and cheese... if France vanished off the face of the earth... no one in the US would even notice.

The French are a rude arrogant people, which I thought it was hype until I visited there... no other country but France.. by day 2 I couldn't wait to leave. History shows that France is pretty low on the morality scale and for France to dare ever tell the US or Israel how to behave is beyond absurd. Pffttt.

[Flame]

And by the way... I live in Lousiaina so we can thank the Italian born Frenchman Napoleon for the Lousiaina purchase... however, I have read historic documents written by native american scholars and what he had to write about the history of early Louisiana... the French were the most savage and brutal of all the early settlers.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by takeo
The US wouldn't exist without France.

Wow...

I am definitely eager to hear on what basis you say this.

I would add to Flame's list of cheese and wine, that France has some beautiful women, yummy pate if you like that kind of thing, a great film festival, and let's not forget Inspector Kluso, but apart from that, I don't know...

[JustSad]

Truly wise words Newsguy.

The only good frenchman is a dead one.
I fact the world would be a lot better off if only Americans and Israeli's were alive.

I demand to be killed. For the sake of mankind!

[takeo]

hi good morning
yes Justsad i think that might be the only solution... not to forget Cubans too of course.
the basis on which i say this is that the french helped the US during their independance struggle, and after that the idea of the French revolution and as you stated Napoleon, very much helped the US. Even the statue of liberty and the symbol of American justice, is French!
Well if you disliked France so much i guess it's because people tend to be, generally spoken, a lot smarter than in the US.
In fact the US are just jealous because France has all the cultural heritage the US laxs completely. We both have McDonalds and Hollywood, but only France has good food, soffisticated ladies, old chateaux and a cultural heritage of at least 1000 years old.
By the way, Clouseau is Belgian!
It's just jealousy, but anyway they still come in large quantity to France.
And about Louisiana, everything that is perceived typical Louisianian comes from the French.

[takeo]

But i think the ideas of the French revolution havn't really influenced he US, or at least not the mentality, if I see Bush speaking or hear you guys on this board i'm not at all convinced of it.
And my english might be horrible, but how good is you French, Spanish or Russian? (or even Yiddish!)

[takeo]

I heard that Ashcroft wants to paint the lady of justice, the 200 year old symbol of French revolution, to "cover her up"!
Wow, this is what i call open-minded, 21-th century-like mentality!!!

[raven]

Flame and others: Ive been here quite a while. Go see if YOU can get anywhere with TakeO. Not really possible.

Hmmm. France...what charming people. And THEY liberated their OWN country in WW2. Right...Time we told the real story. (Americans and Brits who actually DID the liberating marched in before the French that day and were right to) Reading a book on how they acted in Germany right after the War. Most of the other allies there hated the French WORSE than they did even the Germans. Double Dealing arrogant creeps. You have to be really objectionable for that to happen. Such a beautiful place with such wretched people.

[raven]

TakO. Grabbing at straws. Ashcroft wanted to "cover up" the Statue. Most of America doesnt agree with that and is laughing. YOU ALL however, BLOW UP 1000 year old art works of others. What a qualitative and quantatative difference.

Another USUAL incident in the Islamic World. Last week Egyptians attacked Coptic Christians and their Church. Why? The BELL in the Church was too loud. It suggested any kind of parady with Islam.

[raven]

Inspector Kluseau--A Jewish Boy, case you all didnt know. AND not French. Further Monty Pithons Flying Circus is an outgrowth of the earlier Radio Programs (9 years running) of Peter Sellers. Little copycat going on. Not that I dont adore the Monty Pithon. Absolutely do.

The Food, the artistic creativity great. People...ugh.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by takeo
I heard that Ashcroft wants to paint the lady of justice, the 200 year old symbol of French revolution, to "cover her up"!
Wow, this is what i call open-minded, 21-th century-like mentality!!!

Is he going to paint a mustache on her??

:D

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by raven
Inspector Kluseau--A Jewish Boy, case you all didnt know.

No, not Peter Sellers, the actor who plays Clouseau.

I meant the character himself, Inspector Clouseau is a French detective.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by JustSad
The only good frenchman is a dead one.
I fact the world would be a lot better off if only Americans and Israeli's were alive.

No, I never said such a thing, nor would I ever.

There you go again putting words in my mouth and telling me what to think. That's a bad habit, Mr Sad.

[raven]

I know the character is "French"..Still fall down laughing when one of the movies comes on. Never been topped. :)

[pardon]

Please everybody: more respect for each other!!!!!!!

and his culture.

Each nation has its advantages and its drawbacks, its black spots in its history and its acts of humanity. So act like mature humen beings.


and a little "ghandism" in the middle east conflict wouldn't be to bad. On both sides!!! It's time to break the spiral of violence. But when I read all these hatefull posts on this board all my hopes are fading away. Just sad!!!!

respect, respect, respect, respect, respect, respect, respect


[ps. @Flame: i hope that you ever will learn to forgive]

[Flame]

Pardon... to forgive evil is to excuse it and therefore accept it. By the way, Ghandi was protesting for human rights.... not dealing with the likes of a hitler or the savagry of terrorists.

[Flame]

And a formal appology from every nation that has helped to murder Jews over the past 2000 years, along with a promise it will never happen again... and to leave us alone... would be a good start to preceed with forgiveness.

[takeo]

OK, i completely agree, on the condition that Israel excuses for the suffering of the crimes it did against the Palestinians and against libanese.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by takeo
OK, i completely agree, on the condition that Israel excuses for the suffering of the crimes it did against the Palestinians and against libanese.

Again, confusing the murderous Arab terrorists with their Israeli victims.

More than an apology, Israel deserves enormous monetary and land compensation from the Arab countries and from Europeans who have sponsored the mass murder of Israelis for nearly 50 years.

[takeo]

lol
if you would mesure blood in land, than palestinians should receive 80% of Israel as well.
yes, indeed you are confusing victims with aggressors. Jewish people have been victim, yet since 1949 they(i mean of course the ones living in israel) are aggressor.

[takeo]

but we will be happy to give you some part of France as compensation for the collaboration of the Vichy-regime in persecuting Jews, maybe Chateau de Rotschild, I hope it will calm you down ;)
Germany can't compensate the jews in land, or germany would be israel, yet it can give $$$ to israel.
instead we want some resorts near the mediterranean for all the France-bashing israel has done recently and for the destruction of french buildings. Palestinians cannot be compensated in land for what israel did to them, or israel wouldn't exist anylonger, but i guess all palestinians should be millionairs for the years of suffering in refugee-camps and all the oppression in the occupied territories.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by takeo
but we will be happy to give you some part of France as compensation for the collaboration of the Vichy-regime in persecuting Jews

From the French, just money would be required.

The main problem with getting French land is that one would have to live among the French, something that I would not wish on anyone who values personal hygiene. :o