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abu afak
01-15-2003, 09:37 PM
A Sermon for the West
By Oriana Fallaci - January 10, 2003

On October 22, 2002, Oriana Fallaci addressed an audience at the American Enterprise Institute. Following are short excerpts from her talk. Ms. Fallaci, a native of Florence, Italy and a life-long journalist, caused turmoil across Europe with the publication of her book The Rage and the Pride, calling the West to stand up to the Islamic world.
I don’t hide. I never have. I stay at home because I like to stay at home, and at home I work. I have not appeared in public for at least ten years. No interviews, no TV.

Why am I here, then? Because, since September 11, we are at war. Because the front line of that war is here, in America. Because when I was a war correspondent, I liked to be on the front line. And this time, in this war, I do not feel as a war correspondent. I feel as a soldier. The duty of a soldier is to fight. And to fight this war, I deploy a personal weapon. It is not a gun. It’s a small book, The Rage and The Pride.

My soldier weapon is the weapon of truth. The truth that begins with the truth I maintain in these pages:

From Afghanistan to Sudan, from Palestine to Pakistan, from Malaysia to Iran, from Egypt to Iraq, from Algeria to Senegal, from Syria to Kenya, from Libya to Chad, from Lebanon to Morocco, from Indonesia to Yemen, from Saudi Arabia to Somalia, the hate for the West swells like a fire fed by the wind. And the followers of Islamic fundamentalism multiply like a protozoa of a cell which splits to become two cells then four then eight then sixteen then thirty-two to infinity. Those who are not aware of it only have to look at the images that the TV brings us every day. The multitudes that impregnate the streets of Islamabad, the squares of Nairobi, the mosques of Tehran. The ferocious faces, the threatening fists. The fires that burn the American flag and the photos of Bush.

“The clash between us and them is not a military clash. Oh, no. It is a cultural one, a religious one. And our military victories do not solve the offensive of Islamic terrorism. On the contrary, they encourage it. They exacerbate it, they multiply it. The worst is still to come.”

President Bush has said, “We refuse to live in fear.”

Beautiful sentence, very beautiful. I loved it! But inexact, Mr. President, because the West does live in fear. People are afraid to speak against the Islamic world. Afraid to offend, and to be punished for offending, the sons of Allah. You can insult the Christians, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Jews. You can slander the Catholics, you can spit on the Madonna and Jesus Christ. But, woe betide the citizen who pronounces a word against the Islamic religion.

My small book is not tender with Islam. In certain passages, it is even ferocious. But it is much more ferocious with us: with us Italians, us Europeans, us Americans.

I call my book a sermon—addressed to the Italians, to the Europeans, the Westerners. And along with the rage, this sermon unchains the pride for their culture, my culture. That culture that in spite of its mistakes, its faults, even monstrosities, has given so much to the world. It has moved us from the tents of the deserts and the huts of the woods to the dignity of civilization. It has given us the concept of beauty, of morals, of freedom, of equality. It has made the unique conquest in the social field, in the realm of science. It has wiped out diseases. It has invented all the tools that make life easier and more intelligent, those tools that our enemy can also use, for instance, to kill us. It has brought us to the moon and to Mars, and this cannot be said of the other culture. A culture, which has produced and produces only religion, which in every sense imprisons women inside the burkah or the chador, which is never accompanied by a drop of freedom, a drop of democracy, which subjugates its people under theocratical, oppressive regimes.

Socrates and Aristotle and Heraclitus were not mullahs. Jesus Christ, neither. Leonardo da Vinci and Michaelangelo, and Galileo, and Copernicus, and Newton and Pasteur and Einstein, the same.

My book is also a j’accuse. To accuse us of cowardice, hypocrisy, demagogy, laziness, moral misery, and of all that comes with that. The stupidity of the unbearable fad of political correctness, for instance. The paucity of our schools, our universities, our young people, people who often don’t even know the story of their country, the names Jefferson, Franklin, Robespierre, Napoleon, Garibaldi. And no understanding that freedom cannot exist without discipline, self-discipline.

I accuse ourselves also of another crime: the loss of passion. Haven’t you understood what drives our enemies? What permits them to fight this war against us? The passion! They have passion! They have so much passion that they can die for it!

Their leaders, too, of course. I met Khomeini. I discussed with him for more than six hours in calm, and I tell you that that man was a man of passion. I never met bin Laden. But I have well observed his eyes. I have well listened to his voice. And I tell you that that man is a man of passion. We have lost passion.

Well, I have not. I boil with passion. I, too, am ready to die for passion. But around me, I see no passion. Even those who hate me and attack me and insult me do this without passion. They are mollusks, not men and women. And a civilization, a culture, cannot survive without passion, cannot be saved without passion. If the West does not wake up, if we do not refind passion, we are lost.

To quote from my book:

“The problem is that the solution does not depend upon the death of Osama bin Laden. Because the Osama bin Ladens are too many, by now: as cloned as the sheep of our research laboratories…. In fact, the best trained and the more intelligent do not stay in the Muslim countries... They stay in our own countries, in our cities, our universities, our business companies. They have excellent bonds with our churches, our banks, our televisions, our radios, our newspapers, our publishers, our academic organizations, our unions, our political parties…. Worse, they live in the heart of a society that hosts them without questioning their differences, with- out checking their bad intentions, without penalizing their sullen fanaticism.
[“I]f we continue to stay inert, they will become always more and more. They will demand always more and more, they will vex and boss us always more and more. ’Til the point of subduing us. Therefore, dealing with them is impossible. Attempting a dialogue, unthinkable. Showing indulgence, suicidal. And he or she who believes the contrary is a fool.”

©2003 - The American Enterprise Online

http://www.christianactionforisrael.org/islam/sermon_west.html

andak01
01-15-2003, 10:54 PM
They will demand always more and more, they will vex and boss us always more and more. ’Til the point of subduing us. Therefore, dealing with them is impossible. Attempting a dialogue, unthinkable. Showing indulgence, suicidal. And he or she who believes the contrary is a fool.”

©2003 - The American Enterprise Online

http://www.christianactionforisrael.org/islam/sermon_west.html [/B]

That's pretty much the same thing they say about you. So you are calling for genocide, right? That will prove your moral superiority once and for all. I think that statement is quite clear. I don't blame someone who has been victimized for speaking like that. What's your excuse for distributing such hatred? There are already investigators in place preventing terrorism worldwide and armies at the ready. Are you proposing that we take the killing to the American people? And that would NOT be a holy war how? We've already seen a poster talking about 'Hunting Season'. Once you dehumanize, it's easy to kill. That's what the WTC attackers did with their prey. Now you want to take the fight to 1.3 billion people? I'm taking short options on the future.

abu afak
08-07-2003, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by andak01
That's pretty much the same thing they say about you. So you are calling for genocide, right? .......

No, just Vigilance, knowledge, and the occasional military action where necessary.
It also wouldn't hurt if through all these articles I post, that Islam/Our-Muslim-readers got some self-knowledge and did something about it so we dont have to.
(I ony apologize for the 7 month delay in my response)

abu afak
01-03-2004, 01:45 PM
Small Excerpt From a longer version of her remarks that night: (found another)

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m2185/1_14/96010657/p1/article.jhtml

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"..This is what I write about Europe: "Identical [are our] faults, the cowardices, the hypocrisies. Identical the blindness, the deafness, the lack of wisdom, the masochism.... Identical the ignorance and the lack of leadership that favors the Muslim invasion. Identical the fad of the Politically Correct that encourages it. To believe me, you only have to observe the financial club you proudly call European Union. A club that only serves to impose the rhetorical nonsense called common currency ... to pay fabulous and undeserved salaries (tax free) to the members of its inept and useless Parliament....

"A club that shelters more than 15 million sons of Allah and God knows how many of their terrorists ... A club that fornicates like a whore with the Arab countries and fills its pockets with their filthy petrodollars. The same petrodollars with which the Saudi Uncle Scrooges buy our ancient palaces, our banks, our commercial and industrial firms. A club, moreover, that dares to speak of cultural similarities with the Middle East.... [You] chatterers, you mentally retarded. Where the hell is the cultural similarity with the Middle East, you cretins, you silly clowns?!? At Mecca? At Bethlehem, at Gaza, at Damascus, at Beirut?!? At Cairo, at Tripoli, at Nairobi, at Tehran, at Baghdad, at Kabul?!?

"When I was very young, about 17 or so, I longed so much for a united Europe! I came from a war in which the [Europeans] had pitilessly slaughtered each other: remember? The damned Second World War. Plunged up to his neck in the brand-new struggle, my father preached the European Federalism.... He held rallies, he spoke to the crowds, he chanted: `Europe! Europe! We must make Europe!'"

"But this frustrating and disappointing and insignificant Financial Club ... [with] its sons of Allah who want to erase my civilization, this European Union, which chatters of Cultural-Similarities-with-the-Middle-East and meanwhile ignores my beautiful language, meanwhile sacrifices my national identity, is not the Europe I dreamed of when my father chanted, Europe-Europe. It is not Europe. It is the suicide of Europe."

COPYRIGHT 2003 American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research

varian
01-15-2004, 11:14 PM
Although there may be a minority of peaceful Muslims in the world; Islam has a history of being far from peaceful, especially to their own. Islam is the the most insidious form of Fascism/Nazism on the face of the earth today. It is a cult of death that only seems to bring out the worst human behavior in a multitude of their believers. They have truly started a war for the freedom and survival of the human race. Islam is the primary enemy of world peace, and they're trying to use Israel as their whipping boy. In the end they will fail, but that is another story.

ibrodsky
01-16-2004, 07:14 AM
As Samuel Huntington put it, Islam has bloody borders.

But we should not completely write off Islam because of Islamism and the way Islam is widely interpreted.

* Don't forget there are a few notable voices in the Muslim wilderness that support Israel in its fight against jihad-genocide.

* Religions are open to different interpretations. Islam contains more than its share of ambiguous statements.

* Religions can be modernized and reformed. Only those Muslims who insist that Islam was born perfect and is in no need of change are the enemy of civilization. (There are hundreds of millions of Muslims who would say Islam and the Koran are perfect only because their authoritarian culture requires it; if they saw a reform movement with a good chance of success many would switch sides.)

But I agree 100% with Fallaci about the political correctness that shields Islam from criticism and the fact that the bloodthirsty jihadists have passion and most of our leaders don't. The Muslim world is largely barbaric and in the grips of a Death Cult. We should not be afraid to speak this truth--but we should also remain at least a little hopeful that the Muslim world can be persuaded--either by facts and reason or massive military force--to join the 21st century.

varian
01-19-2004, 06:16 PM
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"* Don't forget there are a few notable voices in the Muslim wilderness that support Israel in its fight against jihad-genocide."
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"... the Muslim world can be persuaded--either by facts and reason or massive military force--to join the 21st century."
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There are almost too few to be noteworthy. Apparently there are some passages in the Koran that prohibit or stifle the protests of "moderate" Muslims in America. If one is afraid to speak up here, then they are probably more worried about themselves and their own, than about what havoc jihadists cause to "kafirs" throughout the world. Facts and reason are not getting the job done at this time, and massive military force only seems to breed more Islamic hate. This is going to be a protracted war!!! I guess that much of Europe would just like to turn their backs on Israel and let Islam have its way. Well, Europe already did that once, and they reaped the whirlwind. Ignoring the plight of Israel is not an option the US can survive, so I hope that it is an option that is never considered.

andak01
01-24-2004, 08:12 AM
Facts and reason are not getting the job done at this time, and massive military force only seems to breed more Islamic hate.

Why on earth is that? It seems that facts and reason would cause them to love us more the more bombs we drop on them. Can't they understand the warmth of the global economy? It's warming up their rivers so that the warm fish rise to the top. It's warming up their climate so that they can have warm flood waters from melted ice lapping at their doors. And the warmth of western culture can replace thousands of gibberish cultures and variety in general with a warm big mac and a cool coke.

"One world, one taste."
- McDonald's slogan http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1616_fastfood/page2.shtml

ibrodsky
01-25-2004, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by andak01
Why on earth is that? It seems that facts and reason would cause them to love us more the more bombs we drop on them. Can't they understand the warmth of the global economy? It's warming up their rivers so that the warm fish rise to the top. It's warming up their climate so that they can have warm flood waters from melted ice lapping at their doors. And the warmth of western culture can replace thousands of gibberish cultures and variety in general with a warm big mac and a cool coke.

"One world, one taste."
- McDonald's slogan http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1616_fastfood/page2.shtml

Shame on us. We should have realized that McDonald's--not Islamist mass murderers--are the real threat to humanity. Chicken McNuggets cause global warming, just as predicted in the Koran.

But not to worry. Loving Muslims expressing satisfaction over the World Trade Center massacre, spreading conspiracy theories, and blaming their backwardness on "the Joos" will cool the Earth back down.

Oh Jerusalem
01-25-2004, 06:23 AM
Originally posted by andak01
Can't they understand the warmth of the global economy? It's warming up their rivers so that the warm fish rise to the top. It's warming up their climate so that they can have warm flood waters from melted ice lapping at their doors.
Aren't fossil fuels mostly to blame for global warming?

andak01
01-25-2004, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by ibrodsky
Shame on us. We should have realized that McDonald's--not Islamist mass murderers--are the real threat to humanity. Chicken McNuggets cause global warming, just as predicted in the Koran.

No, but globalization is an unbending juggernaut, as willing to destroy and swallow up local cultures as any Islamist. You are perfect proof of that. You've divided the world's Muslims into three groups, the ones you feel deserve total erradication, the ones who deserve total erradication if they support the first group, and the ones who you feel are lying and DO really support the first group, even when they swear they don't. That's really just one group, and it sounds a lot like the description of the Dar Al Harb. There are Western Capitalists and there are non-Westerners (infidels). Until the entire world is ruled by western style democracy (viz. Haiti, Panama, Afghanistan, Iraq), it is the right of westerners to intervene with force and kill if necessary whoever gets in the way of that plan. What part of that did I miss?

ibrodsky
01-25-2004, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by andak01
No, but globalization is an unbending juggernaut, as willing to destroy and swallow up local cultures as any Islamist. You are perfect proof of that. You've divided the world's Muslims into three groups, the ones you feel deserve total erradication, the ones who deserve total erradication if they support the first group, and the ones who you feel are lying and DO really support the first group, even when they swear they don't. That's really just one group, and it sounds a lot like the description of the Dar Al Harb. There are Western Capitalists and there are non-Westerners (infidels). Until the entire world is ruled by western style democracy (viz. Haiti, Panama, Afghanistan, Iraq), it is the right of westerners to intervene with force and kill if necessary whoever gets in the way of that plan. What part of that did I miss?

No, the problem is that you can't debate the issues without putting words in my mouth.

I've consistently said I believe there are about 200 million Muslims who either are terrorists or support terrorism. That leaves approx. one billion innocent Muslims.

Admittedly, your constant use of dishonest debating tactics, your disdain for Western civilization, and your admission that you have to hide some of your real views leaves me wondering if you are one of the 200 million terrorist sympathizers.

Nor have I ever demanded the entire world adopt Western-style democracy. But one more time for the slow learners: I don't believe the Arab Middle East is even capable of Western-style democracy. Nor do I care as long as they confine their barbaric practices to within their own borders.

Unfortunately, their morally-bankrupt religion encourages them to conquer the world through jihad-genocide.

Globalization is an inevitable consequence of modern telecommunications, transportation, commerce, and the ever-growing number of people who have moved beyond provincialism. It does not automatically "swallow up local cultures." But certainly it is a threat to tyrants, xenophobes, and bigots.