Questions to Terrorists and its supporters

[watcher]

Ok terrorists and supporters of terrorism try to tackle these:
1) "palestine" war puppets attempt to steal Israel! In support with weapons and incentives by their own homelands relatives using the name "palestine" are charged with the task of attempting to remove the People of Israel once again from the land of Israel hence the reason for the fruitless peace negotiations in the past where Israel offered extreme concessions and the "palestinian" authorities refused. True or False and why.
2) If it's said it was always "palestine" where was Israel?
3) Did Israel just give the land to "palestine?
4) Where did the name "palestine come from?
5) Does archeological evidence support "palestine" or Israel?
6) Since part of the negotiations was for Jerusalem as the capital of "palestine", in history IF Jerusalem was the capital of "palestine" what was the capital of Israel?
7) If anyone hurled a rock from a sling full force at you would you a. Stand there since it's a harmless rock b. Use yourself as a shield to protect others from getting hit c.dodge the rock and hide knowing what it can do to you or d. dodge the rock and try to prevent more rocks from being hurled in order to protect the innocent.
8) If they used stones before then bombs then weapons... Where did they get these weapons from?
9) What were contributions of Israel and what are those of "palestine" towards society?
10) what was the purpose of the sniper attack on the 10 month old infant at Shalhevet Pass, Hebron Mar 16 2001?

Sorry non-terrorists and peace seekers can reply too...

[cerulean]

I hate to post this, because it upset me so much to see it, but if anyone is up to it, the pictures of the murdered 10-month-old baby mentioned by watcher are at:

(WARNING: Do not view when children or sensitive persons are around.)

http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/shalhevet.htm

[cerulean]

As for funding of terrorists in and around Israel, the following would seem to apply, on quick thought:

Soviet Union (when the USSR was still around)
Iran (Karine-A, Hezbollah, etc.)
Syria
Saudi Arabia (through numerous highly wealthy citizens)
European Union and United Nations (funds for "humanitarian" aid somewhat diverted)

[NewsGuy]

The photos of 10 month old Israeli baby Shalhevet Pas are some of the saddest sights of the Mideast conflict.

I would emphasize that the events that led to her murder at the hands of an Arab subhuman terrorist were that her only crime was to be born Jewish, and her parents desire to live in the town where Abraham, Issac and Jacob, the Jewish Patriarchs are buried -- where Jews lived continouosly for more than 2000 years.

It was not a random shooting, nor did she mistakenly get caught in a crossfire. There was an Arab sniper, acting on official Palestinian policy, who aimed his high-power rifle into the window of her little apatment, saw her being held in the arms of her parents and then the Arab murderer deliberately shot her in the head.

Given the opportunity, this is exactly what nearly half the Palestinians would like to do to ALL Israelis, by their own admission.

It's important to know who we are dealing with, when asked to reward acts like the murder of 10-month old Shalhevet Pas, with more land gifts to the Palestinians. And also to keep in mind that the European axis of anti-Semitism led by France, actually had the nerve to condemn Israel for retaliating for Shalhevet's death.

There was never a call for an emergency UN security council, nor were there any condemnations and calls for the Palestinians to leave Hebron and stop mass murdering Jews. There were no official investigations with international observers urged to find out how such a crime against humanity could have taken place. There was never an arrest of the murderer, not a public outcry from the Arabs. Such actions are only reserved for Israeli self-defense.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by cerulean
As for funding of terrorists in and around Israel, the following would seem to apply, on quick thought:

Soviet Union (when the USSR was still around)
Iran (Karine-A, Hezbollah, etc.)
Syria
Saudi Arabia (through numerous highly wealthy citizens)
European Union and United Nations (funds for "humanitarian" aid somewhat diverted)

Yes, all these countries, plus China and North Korea which happily sell weapons of mass destruction to the Islamic terrorists are directly to blame for worldwide terrorism.

And, yes, the EU is 100% at fault and should be brought to account for financing the Jihad ethnic cleansing of Jews in Israel.

[takeo]

All this wouldn't have happened if Israel wouldn't have occupied land not belonging to Israel (yes watcher, i mean the present Israel, i don't care what happened 2000 years ago) in 1967, building colonies there and refused to leave.
besides, I can show you similar pictures of dozens of palestinian children and babies killed by the israeli army.

[watcher]

Originally posted by takeo
All this wouldn't have happened if Israel wouldn't have occupied land not belonging to Israel (yes watcher, i mean the present Israel, i don't care what happened 2000 years ago) in 1967, building colonies there and refused to leave.

That's fine that you want to state your opinions without basing them on facts... It only shows you state your personal views and disregard the truth thus promoting propaganda lies... Otherwise you'd care what happened, how "palestine" came into being on the land of Israel.

Originally posted by takeo
besides, I can show you similar pictures of dozens of palestinian children and babies killed by the israeli army.

There's a vast difference between intentional bloodthirsty cold-blooded murder targeted by palestine" and accidental deaths if they were innocent for the sake of defending Israel from such violence.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by takeo
I can show you similar pictures of dozens of palestinian children and babies killed by the israeli army.

Not one of them was targeted for execution like Shalhevert Pas in Hebron and the other Israeli teens and babies at the Jerusalem pizza store and the Tel Aviv disco. There's a huge difference.

[takeo]

my opinions are based on facts but i have the opinion that nobody can claim land because of early presence some 1000's years ago. that would mean for example that france could claim Louisiana on historical grounds.

Newsguy, what about those kids killed by a granade on purpose left in a village by the Israeli army?
what about those kids throwing stones and shot in the head?
what about the bombing of schools and of ambulances (on purpose)? What about ambulances with sick children not allowed to go to the hospital(because of the total bloccade), what about the destruction of houses, where do this children have to live? etc. many more example of intentional harming of childs (among others).

[watcher]

Originally posted by takeo
my opinions are based on facts but i have the opinion that nobody can claim land because of early presence some 1000's years ago. that would mean for example that france could claim Louisiana on historical grounds.

You neglect to mention that "palestine" was a name that directly covered Israel, and Israel still was there even as a minority Israel remained until the land was called Israel once again.

Originally posted by takeo
what about those kids throwing stones and shot in the head?

It was not desired to return fire, but does it suggest that you'd stand in the way of a stone hurled full force by sling? A stone that's meant to kill? Would you still scoff at that?

Originally posted by takeo
what about the bombing of schools and of ambulances (on purpose)?

Not on purpose by Israel Some bombs were assembled in schools, Ambulances were used by bombers to carry out their bloodthirsty duties against Israel! Perhaps you're upset that their devices blew up on themselves and not Israel as it was intended?

Originally posted by takeo
What about ambulances with sick children not allowed to go to the hospital(because of the total bloccade)

Again ambulances were used by bombers so they have to be constantly checked thouroughly before allowed to pass.

Originally posted by takeo
what about the destruction of houses, where do this children have to live? etc. many more example of intentional harming of childs (among others).

Those houses were used by terrorists and snipers to murder innocent civilians and those trying to police and contain the violence.

Anymore questions because you're afraid to answer mine?

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by takeo

Newsguy, what about those kids killed by a granade on purpose left in a village by the Israeli army?
what about those kids throwing stones and shot in the head?
what about the bombing of schools and of ambulances (on purpose)? What about ambulances with sick children not allowed to go to the hospital(because of the total bloccade), what about the destruction of houses, where do this children have to live? etc. many more example of intentional harming of childs (among others).

Right, what about those kids killed by the grenade buried underground where Palestinians terrorists were expected to walk? The grenade was aimed at the terrorists, not the kids.

That's the kind of distortion, half-truths and hiding of facts that you try to pass off time and time again to compare between accidental killings of Palestinians and intentional targeting of Israeli children as part of a deliberate effort by Palestinians to mass murder Jewish children.

And what about the ambulances? The blockade was placed only after there were enough mass murders of Israeli civilians that Israel needed to risk the lives of its soldiers to prevent Arab terrorist inflitration into Israel.

It's also worth remembering that the Palestinians smuggled suicide bombers, including the woman mass murderer, in ambulances, necessitating the IDF to check each and every Arab ambulance that wanted to pass. This was just one of the many ways the Palestinians treat their civilians as human trash, causing enormous misery and suffering to their own people.

Another way the Palestinians treat their own citizens as disposable garbage is that they use civilian houses to mount terrorist attacks in Israelis, even though these Arabs have been warned that the houses will be blown up if used for terrorism.

The only problem with the IDF's actions in demolishing the houses used for terrorism is that they only blew up individual houses, rather than evacuating the entire town and demolishing each and every single house in the town so that the Palestinians will get the message in the only language they understand.

So, you can try to distort as much as you like, but it all comes to that the Palestinians problems are being caused by their own mass murderers who bring death and suffering to their own population.

[takeo]

"You neglect to mention that "palestine" was a name that directly covered Israel, and Israel still was there even as a minority Israel remained until the land was called Israel once again. "

A minority of French stayed in Louisiana too, so i guess Lousiana should become a french department. And palestinians were there too, as a majority!

Police and soldiers usually use other ways to protect against stones, such as fences, teargaz, etc. no need to shoot, unless you want to terrorise the protesters.

Israel says that those were used for this reason, yet it is an easy excuse for bombing schools. wasn't it more likely because they wanted to "stop excitement against israel being taught at school", as with the television building. about ambulances: Israel did not only check them but bluntly refused to let them pass, which sounds more like a policy of blackmailing than a security-mesure! Also it blew up some ambulances that weren't carrying terrorists but innocent people.

"Those houses were used by terrorists and snipers to murder innocent civilians and those trying to police and contain the violence. "

actually most destroyed buildings were full of normal families with children but had the bad luck to live near an israeli colony (they lived there longer than that settlement, but that is not important for Israel), the same with many people who had olive-gardens near israeli settlements or israeli military posts (who are everywhere surrounding palestinian controlled areas) and couldn't harvest or being shot, as i've seen with my own eyes. this man was certainly no terrorist but a peasant.

[watcher]

Originally posted by takeo
Police and soldiers usually use other ways to protect against stones, such as fences, teargaz, etc. no need to shoot, unless you want to terrorise the protesters.

You speak as if Israel immediately shot at those who like to use older methods of deadly force but quite the contrary... They tried all avenues to maintain calm but they became more persistant in their attempts to kill... So much so Israel had to step up measures to quell the violence.

Originally posted by takeo
Israel says that those were used for this reason, yet it is an easy excuse for bombing schools. wasn't it more likely because they wanted to "stop excitement against israel being taught at school", as with the television building. about ambulances: Israel did not only check them but bluntly refused to let them pass, which sounds more like a policy of blackmailing than a security-mesure! Also it blew up some ambulances that weren't carrying terrorists but innocent people.

Were all schools bombed or just the ones used as bomb factories? The ambulances were legitimate reasons if you're going to use these vehicles for attacks upon Israel then you should expect them to be held up and completely checked for weapons and bombs! Israel does not believe in the slaughter of innocents as "palestine" does.

Originally posted by takeo
actually most destroyed buildings were full of normal families with children but had the bad luck to live near an israeli colony (they lived there longer than that settlement, but that is not important for Israel), the same with many people who had olive-gardens near israeli settlements or israeli military posts (who are everywhere surrounding palestinian controlled areas) and couldn't harvest or being shot, as i've seen with my own eyes. this man was certainly no terrorist but a peasant.

Don't tell that to me, tell that to those murdered by those "normal families with childern".

And those intentionally targeted by Israel were those who harvest death and destruction.

[takeo]

Israel bombed several schools, it could never proove bombs were produced there, it destroyed and refused ambulances, which means sick people who needed immidiate treatment died, it shot at peasants trying to collect their harvest(which was forbidden but they have no other mean of income), they shot children who didn't use any tother mean of violence than throwing stones, which is easy to detere. (it is only after several people throwing stones died that the first guns were appearing).
Many houses were destroyed just because they lived close to jewish settlements or military camps, but were not used for shooting, in fact the army doesn't know where the shooting comes from so they just destroy everything that could have been used. they don't care about people who will loose everything, have to sleep on the streets and are refusing to compensate them. If you read the Geneva-conventions you will see that destroying civilian homes is illegal, even if they have been used for military purposes. that peasant i met was not a terrorist, the colonists were just not allowing him to harvest, they are armed and whatever they do the israeli justice is only for them, if the peasent will be shot they will tell the police he was a terrorist and "case closed". In fact many of the colonists have come to live there with the idea of expulsing or at least making the life miserable of the palestinians. that's why they choose to live in the center of hebron, taking the best grounds in westbank and gaza.
All this caused more death and destruction than died in israel.
If all this would happen to israeli people you would talk about anti-semitism and letting sick people die in ambulances, etc. you even find shooting at an occupying israeli tank an act of barbarism, but because they are Palestinians you couldn't care less.

[watcher]

Originally posted by takeo
Israel bombed several schools, it could never proove bombs were produced there,

We're talking about terrorsts here! As in more than one! bombs couldn't be secretly produced strictly at one location! Can you prove that bombs were never produced there?

Originally posted by takeo
it destroyed and refused ambulances, which means sick people who needed immidiate treatment died, it shot at peasants trying to collect their harvest(which was forbidden but they have no other mean of income), they shot children who didn't use any tother mean of violence than throwing stones, which is easy to detere. (it is only after several people throwing stones died that the first guns were appearing).

They are not refused unless they harbor terrorists! If they died enroute it's on the heads of the terrorists that caused the necessity of the constant thorough checks on each ambulance coming from "palestine".

Originally posted by takeo
Many houses were destroyed just because they lived close to jewish settlements or military camps, but were not used for shooting, in fact the army doesn't know where the shooting comes from so they just destroy everything that could have been used. they don't care about people who will loose everything, have to sleep on the streets and are refusing to compensate them. If you read the Geneva-conventions you will see that destroying civilian homes is illegal, even if they have been used for military purposes.

Fire does not come from open areas but from hidden spots! If terrorists weren't allowed there they would still have their homes, murder is not tolerated by other nations we must defend too... simple as that!

Originally posted by takeo
that peasant i met was not a terrorist, the colonists were just not allowing him to harvest, they are armed and whatever they do the israeli justice is only for them, if the peasent will be shot they will tell the police he was a terrorist and "case closed". In fact many of the colonists have come to live there with the idea of expulsing or at least making the life miserable of the palestinians. that's why they choose to live in the center of hebron, taking the best grounds in westbank and gaza.

It's hard to tell terrorists when you live in such close proximity to many of them. Throughout the world nobody's perfect... There will be mix-ups and accidents perhaps someone will get fed up with these violent squatters and murder one, that will be on his her or their head, but if these squatters just move back to their homelands or live in Israel in complete peace you must accept the mistakes and the ones who act like "palestine" by murdering innocents will be dealt with.

Originally posted by takeo
All this caused more death and destruction than died in israel.
If all this would happen to israeli people you would talk about anti-semitism and letting sick people die in ambulances, etc. you even find shooting at an occupying israeli tank an act of barbarism, but because they are Palestinians you couldn't care less.

If israel cared less then they would not be staying in Israel but totally removed and sent back home which they are rapidly wearing out their welcome for a long while now with all these murders.

[takeo]

"We're talking about terrorsts here! As in more than one! bombs couldn't be secretly produced strictly at one location! Can you prove that bombs were never produced there? "

Can you proove bombs weren't produced in the WTC? a stupid example but I mean you can use this excuse for anything.


Israel also destroyed homes that were never used for terrorism, and if it wants toi fight the terrosists it should do so while they are shooting, not taking reprisals afterwards when they left but the civilians are still living there.

The squatters must return to their homeland, that is israel indeed! They were never invited there by the palestinians and their presence is internationally condamned, they also have no claim to the land as none of their families lived there before. If they don't want to live in close proximity of the palestinians than they must go to live somewhere else, not shoot their neighbours(who were there first)!

[watcher]

Originally posted by takeo
"We're talking about terrorsts here! As in more than one! bombs couldn't be secretly produced strictly at one location! Can you prove that bombs were never produced there? "

Can you proove bombs weren't produced in the WTC? a stupid example but I mean you can use this excuse for anything.

I was merely returning your excuse... Sorry you just see your examples as stupid.

Originally posted by takeo
Israel also destroyed homes that were never used for terrorism, and if it wants toi fight the terrosists it should do so while they are shooting, not taking reprisals afterwards when they left but the civilians are still living there.

The squatters must return to their homeland, that is israel indeed! They were never invited there by the palestinians and their presence is internationally condamned, they also have no claim to the land as none of their families lived there before. If they don't want to live in close proximity of the palestinians than they must go to live somewhere else, not shoot their neighbours(who were there first)!

True Israel never invited "palestine" to take over the land of Israel. If the return of Israel is internationally condemned then Israel would've never been allowed to return! "palestinians" should go live back where they came from if they want to continuously war with it's host and steal away the land of Israel(who were there before they ever thought up the name "palestine").