Christian Pastor tells flock to kill Tutsis

[andak01]

http://allafrica.com/stories/200110310364.html


Genocide suspect Elizaphan Ntakirutimana urged militiamen to attack ethnic Tutsi during the 1994 genocide in Rwanda, telling them that God ordered the killings, a witness yesterday told judges at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR). The witness told the court that he learned of Ntakirutimana's remarks from some of the attackers.

The prosecution witness -- identified only as "SS"-- is testifying against Elizaphan and his son Gerard Ntakirutimana. The father and son are accused of planning and participating in massacres of the Tutsi at the Mugonero Adventist Complex, the Murambi Adventist Church and in the hills of Bisesero, all in Kibuye Province. Elizaphan was a pastor while Gerard worked as a doctor in the Mugonero complex.

So what is the point? Is Christianity bad because someone commits attrocities in its name? No, I would be the last to say so. Prophet Jesus (SAW) was not about genocide. So why is it any more fair to connect the actions of misguided individuals with the true message of Islam? And all the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisitions and the Witch Hunts in the world won't sway me from believing that Christianity is not evil, humans are.

[Mediocrates]

Welcome to my world. Keep banging your head against the wall for 50 years and get back to me, thanks.

[Frans_1]

Extremely stupid to play this spam game.

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by Frans_1
Extremely stupid to play this spam game. This is precisely what I have been thinking this morning as I moved from thread to thread and viewed andak's manic attempts to create the illusion that no threat is coming from Islam. He mitigates, shifts the blame, minimizes, creates "red herrings" and rampages through the historical record in a desperate attempt to change the subject and find somebody....anybody.....that has behaved worse than a Muslim terrorist.

I am beginning to understand the dangers presented by posters like Takeo, andak, and their associates. I have felt like giving up countering their distorted presentations, weary from beating my head against the wall of willfull ignorance. But I realized that this is how people like that work on boards like this. They just keep spouting drivel hoping that one by one, people will become weary of the constant "spamming" and cede the floor to them.

[andak01]

So in other words, I am not allowed to mention anyone else's actions but the actions of the worst sort of Muslims? That is a wonderful BOX.

ANALOGOUS:
A: Let's talk about Judaeism.

B: Great!

A: How do you as a Jew respond to Baruch Goldberg's attack on innocent people in a mosque?

B: He's only one man and he doesn't represent all Jews.

A: Oh. So you are in DENIAL, trying to separate yourself from the blood on his hands!!! Murderer!

B: I'm not in denial, Goldberg is one crazy guy who did wrong.

A: Oh. So you admit the Jews did wrong!

B: Not the Jews, Goldberg.

A: So you are DENYING that you are conected to this Jew murderer!

B: There are plenty of other mass murderer from other religions, for example look at Aum Shinriko.

A: Oh. So you are throwing us a RED HERRING.

ETC.

Keep the conversation on something negative and it never gets around to the central theme.

In this story 900 people were murdered by Christian extremists. That is a valid story assuming you think that 900 lives are worth talking about even if they weren't killed by Muslims. If I were to insist on presenting articles like this, you'd say I was filling the board with Red Herrings. But when you and Abu do the same, that's a service?

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by andak01
So in other words, I am not allowed to mention anyone else's actions but the actions of the worst sort of Muslims? That is a wonderful BOX.

ANALOGOUS:
A: Let's talk about Judaeism.

B: Great!

A: How do you as a Jew respond to Baruch Goldberg's attack on innocent people in a mosque?

B: He's only one man and he doesn't represent all Jews.

A: Oh. So you are in DENIAL, trying to separate yourself from the blood on his hands!!! Murderer!

B: I'm not in denial, Goldberg is one crazy guy who did wrong.

A: Oh. So you admit the Jews did wrong!

B: Not the Jews, Goldberg.

A: So you are DENYING that you are conected to this Jew murderer!

B: There are plenty of other mass murderer from other religions, for example look at Aum Shinriko.

A: Oh. So you are throwing us a RED HERRING.

ETC.

Keep the conversation on something negative and it never gets around to the central theme.

In this story 900 people were murdered by Christian extremists. That is a valid story assuming you think that 900 lives are worth talking about even if they weren't killed by Muslims. If I were to insist on presenting articles like this, you'd say I was filling the board with Red Herrings. But when you and Abu do the same, that's a service? As much as others point it out to you, you continue to ignore the glaring truth that individual atrocities not involved with international movements just are not in the same league with the threat presented by Islam's "unrestrained" representatives.

I have NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that, not being able to respond directly to this point, you will go back to Google in a desperate attempt to find someone....anyone.......somewhere....anywhere, who might, hopefully, look worse than the muslim extremists by whom the world is at present being threatened.

Just deal with the issue. You cannot make the jihad killers look good no matter how many atrocities you dig up to prove what pussycats they are in comparison.

[IlyaFurman]

These posts have been informing, people have always used differnent reiligions to spread their propoganda. Even Christians are using it as you can see from your posts. Very sad.

[abu afak]

Originally posted by MichaelC
As much as others point it out to you, you continue to ignore the glaring truth that individual atrocities not involved with international movements just are not in the same league with the threat presented by Islam's "unrestrained" representatives.

I have NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER that, not being able to respond directly to this point, you will go back to Google in a desperate attempt to find someone....anyone.......somewhere....anywhere, who might, hopefully, look worse than the muslim extremists by whom the world is at present being threatened.

Just deal with the issue. You cannot make the jihad killers look good no matter how many atrocities you dig up to prove what pussycats they are in comparison.


Exactly..


More Childish Idiocy and NON-Alagous examples from andak, who is somehow trying to excuse Massive Worldwide Persecution by Muslims AND Muslim Governments Against other religions, by picking out obscure examples from the local crime log.

[andak01]

Originally posted by MichaelC
Just deal with the issue. You cannot make the jihad killers look good no matter how many atrocities you dig up to prove what pussycats they are in comparison.

I'm not trying to make them look good, you idiot. I don't have anything good to say about terrorists. Terrorists and mass murderers and genocidal maniacs are a HUMAN PROBLEM. But no, you want to dehumanize 1.3 billion people by claiming that they are all part of some cabal reminiscent of the Elders of Zion (yeah, I know that's a fake and so is your conspiracy theory). Get the world afraid of Muslims and get Muslims afraid of the world. Then we can really have a Crusade and the Muslims can really have a Jihad. I'm not buying it, and you had better hope that the other 5th of the world doesn't either.

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by andak01
I'm not trying to make them look good, you idiot. I don't have anything good to say about terrorists. Terrorists and mass murderers and genocidal maniacs are a HUMAN PROBLEM. But no, you want to dehumanize 1.3 billion people by claiming that they are all part of some cabal reminiscent of the Elders of Zion (yeah, I know that's a fake and so is your conspiracy theory). Get the world afraid of Muslims and get Muslims afraid of the world. Then we can really have a Crusade and the Muslims can really have a Jihad. I'm not buying it, and you had better hope that the other 5th of the world doesn't either. I just want Muslims to take care of the trouble that is originating from their house. The War on Terrorism is much more real than YOU seem to think. If you don't want to face facts, fine, but quit your whining.

As far as "conspiracy theories" go, one or two or three or....well, you know, multiple organizations are all murdering and destroying with a common method and a common message....I tend to think of that as a conspiracy. Do you really mean to argue that these people don't know each other or don't communicate with one another? You, being you and all, probably just maintain that these various jihad organizations are coincidentally rampaging around and coincidentally hating and targetting the same folks.

By the way, I don't recall stooping to calling you names here on the board. I may have. I have certainly argued your point of view very strenuously, but I just do not recall slipping into that personal name calling thing. Am I incorrect on this matter?

[judicial meanz]

Originally posted by andak01
http://allafrica.com/stories/200110310364.html



So what is the point? Is Christianity bad because someone commits attrocities in its name? No, I would be the last to say so. Prophet Jesus (SAW) was not about genocide. So why is it any more fair to connect the actions of misguided individuals with the true message of Islam? And all the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisitions and the Witch Hunts in the world won't sway me from believing that Christianity is not evil, humans are.

Ok....so this has exactly what to do with Judaism or Israel? :confused:

[andak01]

Originally posted by judicial meanz
Ok....so this has exactly what to do with Judaism or Israel? :confused:

Every Jew should recognize how quickly the worlds hatred has shifted from them to the Muslims. It is the same venom pointed in a different direction. Don't be fooled, that once the Muslim 'threat' is under control (i.e. when enough of us have been killed to satisfy blood lust), you're next. And sadly, just like so few hateful Muslims (proportionately) have been able to steer the world's opinion, it won't take many conspiracy theorists on the other side to put the blame back on the Jews. I pray for you brother.

[Mediocrates]

Every Jew should recognize how quickly the worlds hatred has shifted from them to the Muslims.


????????????????? I don't even think there is a vocabularly to describe how far off that is. We're not next, we're first. 'You're' just slumming for a few days.

[andak01]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
????????????????? I don't even think there is a vocabularly to describe how far off that is. We're not next, we're first. 'You're' just slumming for a few days.

I can buy that. Sorry.