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takeo
02-24-2002, 09:06 PM
Estimated Population of Palestine 1870-1946*
Arabs (%) Jews (%) Total

1870 367,224 (98%) 7,000 (2%) 375,000
1893 469,000 (98%) 10,000 (2%) 497,000
1912 525,000 (93%) 40,000 (6%) 565,000
1920 542,000 (90%) 61,000 (10%) 603,000
1925 598,000 (83%) 120,000 (17%) 719,000
1930 763,000 (82%) 165,000 (18%) 928,000
1935 886,000 (71%) 355,000 (29%) 1,241,000
1940 1,014,000 (69%) 463,000 (31%) 1,478,000
1946 1,237,000 (65%) 608,000 (35%) 1,845,000
* Figures are rounded.
Sources: The numbers in this table are estimates constructed from the following: Yehoshua Ben-Arieh, "The Population of the Large Towns in Palestine During the First Eighty Years of the Nineteenth Century, According to Western Sources" in Moshe Ma'oz, ed. Studies on Palestine during the Ottoman Period, Magnus, 1975; Alexander Scholch, "The Demographic Development of Palestine 1850-1882", International Journal of Middle East Studies, XII, 4, November 1985, pp. 485-505; "Palestine", Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th edn, 1911; "Palestine", Encyclopedia of Islam, 1964; UN Document A/AC 14/32, 11 November 1947, p.304; Justin McCarthy, "The Population of Ottoman Syria and Iraq, 1878-1914", Asian and African Studies, XV, 1 March 1981; Kemal Karpat, "Ottoman Population Records and the Census of 1881/82-1893", International Journal of Middle East Studies, XCI, 2, 1978; Bill Farell, "Review of Joan Peters", 'From Time Immemorial', Journal of Palestine Studies, 53, Fall 1984, pp. 126-34; Walid Khalidi, From Heaven to Conquest: Readings in Zionism and the Palestine Problem until 1948, Institute for Palestine Studies, 1971 appendix I; Janet L. Abu Lughod, "The Demographic Transformation of Palestine", in Ibrahim Abu Lughod, ed., The Transformation of Palestine: Essays on the Origin and Development of the Arab-Israeli Conflict, Northwestern University Press, 1971 pp. 139-63.

NewsGuy
02-24-2002, 09:51 PM
I think those statistics were taken mostly from the Arab propaganda sources which are listed last, like Walid Khalidi, Janet L. Abu Lughod, and Ibrahim Abu Lughod, etc.

On the other hand, the statistics I find tell a completely different story:

"The Jewish population increased by 470,000 between World War I and World War II while the non-Jewish population rose by 588,000. In fact, the permanent Arab population increased 120 percent between 1922 and 1947.

This rapid growth was a result of several factors. One was immigration from neighboring states — constituting 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel — by Arabs who wanted to take advantage of the higher standard of living the Jews had made possible. The Arab population also grew because of the improved living conditions created by the Jews as they drained malarial swamps and brought improved sanitation and health care to the region. Thus, for example, the Muslim infant mortality rate fell from 201 per thousand in 1925 to 94 per thousand in 1945 and life expectancy rose from 37 years in 1926 to 49 in 1943.

The Arab population increased the most in cities with large Jewish populations that had created new economic opportunities. From 1922-1947, the non-Jewish population increased 290 percent in Haifa, 131 percent in Jerusalem and 158 percent in Jaffa. The growth in Arab towns was more modest: 42 percent in Nablus, 78 percent in Jenin and 37 percent in Bethlehem. "



Sources: Governmet of Palestine, Report and General Abstracts of the Census of 1922 taken on 23rd of October, 1922, compiled by J.B. Barron, Jerusalem, 1922.
Government of Palestine, Office of Statistics, Village Statistics, April 1945. Jerusalem, 1945.
Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, List of Settlements, their Population and Codes, 31, XII, 1967, Technical Publications Series 28, Jerusalem 1968.
Israel Defense Forces, Census of Population conducted by the Central Bureau of Statistics, 1: West Bank of the Jordan, Gaza Strip and Northern Sinai, Golan Heights, Jerusalem 1967.
Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, List of Localities, their Populations and Codes, 31, XII, 1995. Technical Publications Series 68, Jerusalem 1996..
Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, Small Area Population: Revised Estimates for 1996, Ramallah, April 1996.

takeo
02-24-2002, 11:16 PM
I think my figures are correct and based on demographic registrations.

every book i read, most of them neutral and American/European, stated that the palestinian population indeed grew rapidly because the Jews but most of all the Brittish brought new techniques of agriculture and better health care, that were ignored by the Ottomans. Most of the Palestinian growth was natural since people from neighbouring Arab colonies were not allowed to stay in Palestine (on the contrary to Jewish immigrants, who could come if they payed). Also its naturally that the jewish-based towns grew more rapidly as these were the most prosperous parts of the country, already in the 19th century (Jaffa for example), Jews know where the business is going :p
Yet whatever the source, the Palestinians were always stated as outnumbering by far the Jews, untill 1949 of course.

victot
02-25-2002, 04:05 AM
here, i am right now in the middle of a course which focuses on this stuff, right here in the great city of montreal, at the university of concordia.

my teacher seems pretty cool, and definately well versed in the subject, he reads all the frikkin sources there are, and then forms an opinion on what really happenned. he is an arab, i think lebanese... there are a lot of arabs in the class, a few less jews... but if anything, the teacher is making the jewish side seem more sympathetic...
or at least, he makes the whole zionist story seem pretty rational and understandable...

anyways, here is the figure he gave us:

%of jewsish population in palestine

1919 - 56,000 jews / 750,000 (total) = 7.5%
50 settlements

1946 - 608,000 jews / 1,912,000 (total) =31.8%
259 settlements

sharonbn
03-13-2002, 05:56 AM
From the dawn of mankind to the turn of the nineteenth
century world population grew to a total of one
billion people.
During the 1800s, human numbers increased at
increasingly higher rates, reaching a total of about
1.7 billion people by 1900.
World population has grown even more rapidly during
the present century, with the greatest gains occurring
in the post-World War II period, and stands at over three times its size in 1900 - some 6.1 billion people - today.

While the rate of increase is slowing, in absolute
terms world population growth continues to be
substantial.
Global population increase is currently equivalent to
adding a new Israel (incl. West Bank and Gaza), Egypt
and Jordan to the existing world total each year.

World population will increase to a level of nearly 8
billion by the end of the next quarter century,
and will reach 9.3 billion - a number more than half
again as large as today's total - by 2050.

If the world were a village of 1,000 people it would
include:

584 Asians
124 Africans
95 Eastern and Western Europeans
84 Latin Americans
55 former Soviets (this includes Lithuanians,
Latvians, Estonians, and other national groups)
52 North Americans
6 Australians and New Zealanders

The people of the village would speak:

175 Mandarin
96 English
93 Hindu/Urdi
64 Spanish
58 Russian
37 Arabic
The above list accounts for the mother tongues of only
half the village.
The other half speak (in descending order of
frequency)
Bengali
Portuguese
Indonesian
Japanese
German
French
and 200 other languages.

In this village of 1,000 there are:

520 female
480 male

700 nonwhite
300 white

890 heterosexual
110 homosexual

329 Christians (among them 187 Catholics, 84
Protestants, and 31 Orthodox)
178 Muslims
167 "Non religious"
60 Buddhists
45 Atheists (isn't that "Non religious"?)
32 Hindus
3 Jews
86 of other religions.

One third of the village are children under the age of
13.
Half the children are immunized against preventable
diseases such as measles and polio.
Just under half of the married women in the village
have access to and use modern contraceptives.
60 persons are over the age of 65. This number will
double over the next 25 years.

This year:
28 babies will be born. 2 will die within the year.
10 other people will die, 3 of them from starvation, 1
from cancer.
4 persons are infected with HIV (in other words, AIDS
pandemic has infected 0.4% of the world's population).
With the 28 births and 10 deaths, the population of
the village next year will be 1,018.

People of the village can expect to live until the
age:
Western Europe - 78
North America - 76
Latin America and the Caribbean - 69
Asia - 65
Sub-Saharan (black) Africa - 49

The village has 6 acres of land per person - 6000 acres
in all - of which:
700 acres are cropland,
1,400 acres are pasture,
1,900 acres are woodland,
2,000 acres desert, tundra, pavement, and other
wasteland.
The woodland is declining rapidly; the wasteland is
increasing.
The other land categories are roughly stable.
About one-third of the people have access to clean,
safe drinking water.
About half of the people suffer from malnutrition.

In the village of 1,000 people, there are:
30 refugees driven from home by war or drought
10 college educated
5 soldiers
7 teachers
1 doctor
70 people own an automobile.
10 own a computer.
Of the 670 adults in the village, half are illiterate.

200 most richest people receive 75% of the income;
200 most poor receive only 2%t of the income.
60 people would possess 60% of the entire world's
wealth,
and all 60 would be from the United States.

The village has a total yearly budget, public and
private, of over $3 million -
$3,000 per person if it is distributed evenly (which,
as we seen above, it isn't).
Of the total $3 million:
$1,800,000(60%) goes to weapons and warfare
$160,000(5.3%) to education
$130,000(4.3%) to health care

Afterthoughts:
If you woke up this morning with more health than
illness
...you are more blessed than the million who will not
survive this week.
If you have never experienced the danger of battle,
the loneliness of imprisonment, the agony of torture,
or the pangs of starvation
...you are ahead of 500 million people in the world.
If you can attend a church/mosque/synagogue meeting without fear of harassment, arrest, torture, or death
...you are more blessed than three billion people in
the world.
If you have food in the refrigerator, clothes on your
back, a roof overhead and a place to sleep
...you are richer than 75% of this world.
If you have money in the bank, in your wallet, and
spare change in a dish someplace
...you are among the top 8% of the world's wealthy.
If your parents are still alive and still married
...you are very rare, even in the United States and
Canada.
If you can read this message -
you are more blessed than over two billion people in
the world that cannot read at all.

L@mplighterM
03-15-2002, 08:45 AM
From the dawn of mankind to the turn of the nineteenth
century world population grew to a total of one
billion people.

Interesting statistics but flawed.

In this village of 1,000 there are:

520 female
480 male

700 nonwhite
300 white

890 heterosexual
110 homosexual

329 Christians (among them 187 Catholics, 84
Protestants, and 31 Orthodox)
178 Muslims
167 "Non religious"
60 Buddhists
45 Atheists (isn't that "Non religious"?)
32 Hindus
3 Jews
86 of other religions.


The specialty of Muslims and Hindus is killing their female children and women. So while this might be correct at birth it changes drastically shortly thereafter. Go to www.cia.gov and do a bit of mental calculating and I think you'll find that there would be far fewer females than males at the mean age.

sharonbn
03-15-2002, 02:00 PM
The specialty of Muslims and Hindus is killing their female children and women

If this was true, there would be no Muslims or Hindus today. Pakistani former head of state, Benazir Bhutto is a woman, as was India's former PM, Indira Gandhi. There is no such custom in these religions.

L@mplighterM
03-15-2002, 03:01 PM
Whatever U say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 100's of sources are wrong and you're right sharonbn .


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