Wishing America Godspeed in War on Iraq

[NewsGuy]

Wishing America Godspeed in War on Iraq
By Michael Rand

The Israel Forum wishes the American people, government and military forces a speedy victory over the evil Arab regime in Iraq. Only America has the power and determination to bring peace and justice to the troubled regions of the world. Contrary to various anti-Semitic lies, America's Jews did not precipitate this war. In fact, some of us opposed the war and others supported it –- in about the same proportions that reflect the opinions of rest of the U.S. population. But once the war has begun, we all stand united in support of our country, the United States of America, and our troops.

We, as proud Americans, applaud our leadership for its brave decision to go it alone, in the face of opposition by our European rivals and our Islamic enemies. This is the beginning of the fall of the brutal Arab dictatorships that undermine world peace. We clearly understand that our safety here in the U.S., as well as the well-being of the Israeli nation is under direct threat by Iraq and other Arab enemies. Nonetheless, we are ready to make the necessary sacrifices to bring equity and relief to the victims of Iraq and of the other Arab and Muslim regimes in the Middle East.

The world has endured Arab oil embargoes, regional destabilization and Islamic terrorism, including the widespread use of biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction. Yet, countries like France, Germany, Russia and China oppose the United States and are willing to protect Saddam against removal. In fact, they have elected to tear apart the European Union, NATO and the UN, rather than force Saddam Hussein to lay down his chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. We must remember that the very same European countries which are replete with racism and anti-Semitism, and which house the largest Muslim communities, are also those which stand against America. These characteristics are not coincidental and must be addressed forcefully after the Iraq war.

At the same time, Russia continues to supply Iran with nuclear material and facilities to build a nuclear weapon capable of destroying all global economies with a single press of a button. And similarly, North Korea and Pakistan have armed Iran with the technology necessary to launch Iran's upcoming nuclear warheads at half the countries on the face of the earth. And all the while, Iran, for its part, brazenly continues to arm, train, and finance terrorist attacks throughout the world. Iran's radical Islamic regime is no less of a threat than that of Iraq, and the American forces of freedom will, unfortunately, need to confront this Islamic terrorist state after Saddam is removed.

Syria and Lebanon, too, in cooperation with Iran, have taken active steps to undermine any American military achievements in Iraq. These brutal Arab regimes have vowed to ensure that the Middle East will remain unstable, and overrun with terrorism -- including a growing al Qaeda presence in areas within these countries' control. American and global interests will remain under attack until such time as Syria and South Lebanon are cleaned out, like Iraq and Afghanistan.

America's just war against Iraq is the opening shot in a larger effort to make the world a better place for our children and their children. By removing a deranged and evil Arab dictator like Saddam Hussein, we move toward making clear to the other Arab and Islamic terrorist states that their time is rapidly coming to an end. Likewise, the useless and hypocritical UN will come under scrutiny and the lessons of the past several months will be taken into account in due course.

A new era of American leadership is upon us, in which the dark clouds of brutal Arab dictatorships, Islamic terrorism, and the last relics of Communism will hopefully be swept away. A new page in history might well be turned, and it has the potential to usher us into an existence in which freedom and prosperity will become available to every citizen of the world.

Godspeed to America's brave soldiers.

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Your thoughts?

[L@mplighterM]

Unfortunately it’s a world divided on the issue of invading Iraq. It’s my opinion that this is a lost opportunity for the world community to embark on a journey to cleanse the world of insane despot dictators.

A great scenario would be the surrender of the Iraq Republican guard before the first shot was fired.

I wish a swift victory for the US soldiers that go into battle to fight for freedom. Further I would like to thank Spain, Britain and Denmark for their participation in this conflict.

Unfortunately there never will be a war to end all wars and I suspect the fight against Islamic fanatics will be a never-ending battle. Nevertheless the first steps have been taken and I hope they will continue until the last Islamic fundamentalist is dead.

I hope the gas masks in the hands of the Israeli citizens will remain unused and of course I hope that the masks in possession of the troops fighting for our freedom will remain untouched.

If WMD are used by the Iraqi armed forces its my wish that retaliation will be swift and so severe that the conflict ends within hours.

[localbrew]

It has started. Good luck and God's speed boys.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by localbrew
It has started. Good luck and God's speed boys.

Yep, here we go.

[Communication]

Newsguy,

Did you know that there were over 2500 NO-WAR people on your site about 1 hour ago?

[alexbmn]

the second stage in america's war agaisnt islamic terror has started

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
Yep, here we go. May those who deserve to, die swiftly and those who don't, find shelter from the storm.

[cerulean]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
Wishing America Godspeed in War on Iraq
By Michael Rand
[snip]
A new era of American leadership is upon us, in which the dark clouds of brutal Arab dictatorships, Islamic terrorism, and the last relics of Communism will hopefully be swept away. A new page in history might well be turned, and it has the potential to usher us into an existence in which freedom and prosperity will become available to every citizen of the world.

I certainly hope so. The potential is there. Humans do have the ability to improve themselves and their circumstances; I hope that is what happens.


Godspeed to America's brave soldiers.


Amen, and also to all other allied forces that are currently engaged.

[JustPat]

Praying blessing upon our troops is praying destruction upon our enemies. This I do with great regret knowing that the loss of life could have been avoided if Saddam would have been willing to join the global community in disarming voluntarily. May our troops find great success. May those in Iraq who brought us to this day find the fruit of their evil rained upon thier head.

[Mediocrates]

I [missile] Baghdad

[humus_sapiens]

Saddam just proclaimed in TV speech: "Long live Jihad". I wish it had been his infamous last words, and the planet is finally liberated from another mad tyrant.

[victot]

good luck america...

hope/pray everything turns out for the best, even the anti-war movement admits that the world will be better off without saddam, and it is my understanding that the majority of the people of iraq want this war as well.

in addition, thanks for always sticking up for israel, you guys are the best.

peace, health, and happiness to all!

[JustPat]

Originally posted by humus_sapiens
Saddam just proclaimed in TV speech: "Long live Jihad". I wish it had been his infamous last words, and the planet is finally liberated from another mad tyrant.
Analysis of the video feed shows it to have been taped. Makes you wonder why they are playing a generic tape instead of the "brave leader" giving a live pep talk to the nation?

[localbrew]

It just makes one wonder. Sure don't look like Saddam to me.

Either way it really doesn't matter does it? He is a dead man walking right now. (if he is still alive)

[euphoria]

I am an American and an ex-military member who served in the Bosnian conflict. After hearing so much anti-war sentiment from those too afraid to fight and too uneducated to understand the need for military force, it is refreshing to see a place where the US military and coalition forces are praised and prayed for instead of insulted and spit upon.

Kudos to all of you, and many prayers for my brother and sisters in arms. May Saddam's death be quickly brought about, and the Islamic terror end soon. My prayers are with Israel always.

[humus_sapiens]

Originally posted by euphoria
I am an American and an ex-military member who served in the Bosnian conflict.

Welcome aboard, friend! Don't worry, you may see the full spectrum of views here.

BTW, I wonder why the Muslims forgot so quickly that the US sided with _them_ in Bosnia.

[localbrew]

Looks like the ‘shock and awe’ is near. Maybe there is still time for the Iraqi regime to capitulate. If they don’t it will be a real shame.

Now we are hearing via Fox News that all coalition forces are putting on their chemical suits. What a shame it has to be like this.

Will some one please shoot the SOB!

[yehudi]

Originally posted by NewsGuy
Wishing America Godspeed in War on Iraq
The Israel Forum wishes

(....)

Your thoughts?


Not in my name.


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[Acheron]

SCHADENFREUDE !!!

[wellofvow]

I became very depressed listening to debate in British House of Commons before the war began. MP after MP insisted on linking Iraq war with **swift** resolution of Israel-Palestine issue, pushing the infamous "road map" really hard.

Now I see on banner headline in this forum that Palestinians firebombed a British bank in protest of the war in Iraq. Will this tell the Brits anything? IMO, no, it won't. They are simply too committed to their huge and powerful Moslem population.

Israel made it quite plain just before the war when everyone was euphoric about a Palestinian "Prime Minister" finally being appointed (maybe) that any PM was to be INSTEAD OF ARAFAT. It appears to me that nobody has heard this clear message yet, not the Palestinians, not the Brits, not the Americans, certainly not anyone else.

The British MPs were very solicitous about humanitarian relief for the Iraqis, and I have no problem with that. I doubt if there are many Iraqis who loved Saddam. However, the situation is completely different in the Israel-Palestine issue, where Arafat was almost equally abusive of his people (OK, he didn't use chemical warfare on them, but for certain murdered many of his people for daring to speak against him, alleged collaboration, etc.), but the Palestinian population as a whole seems to have been well-brainwashed - as opposed to the Iraqis.

In short, the road-map believers are making huge mistake. HOW CAN THEY CONTINUE TO TOTALLY IGNORE THAT PALESTINIANS ARE SUPPORTING SADDAM AND ARE SABOTAGING ALLIED INTERESTS AS MUCH AS THEY CAN?

HOW CAN THE PALESTINIANS BE CODDLED, REWARDED, AND SUPPORTED AFTER THE WAR, WHEN THEY BACKED THE ENEMY, AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE?

[JustPat]

Originally posted by euphoria
I am an American and an ex-military member who served in the Bosnian conflict. After hearing so much anti-war sentiment from those too afraid to fight and too uneducated to understand the need for military force, it is refreshing to see a place where the US military and coalition forces are praised and prayed for instead of insulted and spit upon.

Kudos to all of you, and many prayers for my brother and sisters in arms. May Saddam's death be quickly brought about, and the Islamic terror end soon. My prayers are with Israel always.
Welcome! Thanks for your service and for your comments.

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by localbrew
It just makes one wonder. Sure don't look like Saddam to me.

Either way it really doesn't matter does it? He is a dead man walking right now. (if he is still alive) I thought the same thing when I looked at that guy. Didn't look like him. Maybe they are accustoming us to seeing his "body double" to cover his withdrawal from the scene and to sow confusion in eventually singling him out.

As I typed those last words, a journalist asked Donald Rumsfield a question regarding this very issue at this morning's pentaton press conference. His reply indicated that that the leaders of the country are asking the same question.

[andak01]

Originally posted by humus_sapiens
Saddam just proclaimed in TV speech: "Long live Jihad". I wish it had been his infamous last words, and the planet is finally liberated from another mad tyrant.

A true Jihad would have been the struggle to depose this unjust leader, undertaken by the Iraqi people themselves. They will have that to answer for on the day of Judgement. And Allah knows best.

[JustPat]

Originally posted by andak01
A true Jihad would have been the struggle to depose this unjust leader, undertaken by the Iraqi people themselves. They will have that to answer for on the day of Judgement. And Allah knows best.
So, why isn't the whole of the Muslim world backing us in this?

[JustSad]

Let's make this short and cheap. Those arab monkey's aren't worth th expense. Let's just throw a few nukes on the iraqi cities. We don't need those people to pump up our oil. A robot can do that better.

[Communication]

Originally posted by JustSad
Let's make this short and cheap. Those arab monkey's aren't worth th expense. Let's just throw a few nukes on the iraqi cities. We don't need those people to pump up our oil. A robot can do that better.

Is that you, yehudi?

[andak01]

Originally posted by JustPat
So, why isn't the whole of the Muslim world backing us in this?

Because it isn't the ONLY way. Most of the world minus the coalition of the wannabes believes that Saddam does not constitute enough of a threat to justify going to war with him. And I think we fear the future of a destabilized Iraq even worse than we fear his WDMs.

People were complaining of the expense and time involved in maintaining a military buildup around the borders of Iraq. What about the expense of a war and the ensueing required occupation. This could go on for many years either way. This way we are insured of many casualties.

[wellofvow]

Originally posted by andak01
Because it isn't the ONLY way. Most of the world minus the coalition of the wannabes believes that Saddam does not constitute enough of a threat to justify going to war with him. And I think we fear the future of a destabilized Iraq even worse than we fear his WDMs.

People were complaining of the expense and time involved in maintaining a military buildup around the borders of Iraq. What about the expense of a war and the ensueing required occupation. This could go on for many years either way. This way we are insured of many casualties.

Well, people, I'd like to remind you that our fathers (or grandfathers) faced these same issues, only the bad guy's name was Hitler. And people worried about a "destabilized Europe", I'm sure - although IMO, "destabilized Iraq" is pure blabla, PR boogieman stuff.

The many casualties of WWII ensured that we did not end up speaking German (or in an oven, in my dad's case). Are Americans prepared for Islamic justice? To remind you, a thief gets a really brief "trial" before his hand is lopped off. A woman who commits adultery does not suffer a divorce and get 50% communal property. She gets stoned to death.

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by andak01
Because it isn't the ONLY way. Most of the world minus the coalition of the wannabes believes that Saddam does not constitute enough of a threat to justify going to war with him. And I think we fear the future of a destabilized Iraq even worse than we fear his WDMs.

People were complaining of the expense and time involved in maintaining a military buildup around the borders of Iraq. What about the expense of a war and the ensueing required occupation. This could go on for many years either way. This way we are insured of many casualties. andak, you never have a bad word to say about the crimes and barbarity of muslims. You complain endlessly about those of us who bear witness to their crimes, but you yourself never indicate what it is that you might, if you had the courage to voice it, find objectionable about muslim terrorists and their despicable behavior. You go on and on about the alleged crimes of Christians or.....whoever, and skip muslim atrocity altogether.

Very odd, indeed, given the very recent history of the planet.

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by JustSad
Let's make this short and cheap. Those arab monkey's aren't worth th expense. Let's just throw a few nukes on the iraqi cities. We don't need those people to pump up our oil. A robot can do that better.

Just sad... I am surprised you didn't volunteer as a human shield in Baghdad.

[Johnny Yuma]

Originally posted by wellofvow
A woman who commits adultery does not suffer a divorce and get 50% communal property. She gets stoned to death.

Back in January, (with tongue in cheek) I told my wife that American men were crazy not to embrace Islam and have a fundamentalist Islamic society. I told her I could have something like four wives and if they got dumpy, frumpy, or lumpy (the 8th, 9th, and 10th dwarves, respectively) I could just march you out to the front door and say, "I divorce you!", three times, and it was a done deal. You leave with what you've got on your back. No property settlement, no divorce hearing, no problem with child support payments (they stay with me), no big whopping alimony check, and you don't get the Porshce ('cause you can't drive).

Needless to say, she locked up.

I'm thinking that if Western women, especially the "liberals" out protesting in the streets, would just stop and seriously think of the implications of living in that type of society, that they would throw their picket signs down and start shoving every able bodied male throught the military recruiter's doors.

However, that's not what America is all about.

America is about being able to be stupid and no one's going to put a bullet in your head because of it. (Well..... that's not entirely true. You can still get a bullet, but it's usually not the government that caps you. More than likely, it'll be that little old lady you cut-off on the freeway.....)

[cerulean]

Sadly, it looks like 16 US and British troops have died in a helicopter crash in Kuwait.
http://msnbc.com/news/888496_asp.htm?0cv=CA01
The crash does not seem to be the result of enemy fire.

[cerulean]

Originally posted by Johnny Yuma
Back in January, (with tongue in cheek) I told my wife that American men were crazy not to embrace Islam and have a fundamentalist Islamic society. I told her I could have something like four wives and if they got dumpy, frumpy, or lumpy (the 8th, 9th, and 10th dwarves, respectively) I could just march you out to the front door and say, "I divorce you!", three times, and it was a done deal. You leave with what you've got on your back. No property settlement, no divorce hearing, no problem with child support payments (they stay with me), no big whopping alimony check, and you [b]don't get the Porshce ('cause you can't drive).

In some ways, a polygamous/authoritarian lifestyle sounds like a male fantasy come true. In practice, though, what happens is that many men are not able to have normal family lives at all. In the most extreme instances, wealthy aged men can take 12-year-old wives. That leaves a lot of dispossessed young men.

[LionOfLoyalty]

Here's to a quick and decisive war, with as little bloodshed as possible, but with as much force as necessary. With God's help we shall soon see a Brave, New Middle East!

[wellofvow]

Originally posted by Johnny Yuma

I'm thinking that if Western women, especially the "liberals" out protesting in the streets, would just stop and seriously think of the implications of living in that type of society, that they would throw their picket signs down and start shoving every able bodied male throught the military recruiter's doors.

However, that's not what America is all about.

America is about being able to be stupid and no one's going to put a bullet in your head because of it. (Well..... that's not entirely true. You can still get a bullet, but it's usually not the government that caps you. More than likely, it'll be that little old lady you cut-off on the freeway.....)

Oh, my. Thank you for making me smile. I have wondered many times about the American bimbos out demonstrating, without the slightest idea that they were, in real-life terms, demonstrating for the "right" to be denied education, health care, the vote, control of their children, right to divorce their husbands, and on and on. Of course, I am SURE that this is NOT what's taught in the ever-proliferating number of courses in universities on "Islamic studies" or "Moslem culture" or whatever.

You are absolutely correct on "what America is about". Sadly, the question is "Will America be able to survive the unwritten addition to the Bill of Rights, the Freedom to be Stupid"?

IMO, I doubt it - certainly as long as people refuse to understand that it really IS a head-on confrontation of cultures WHICH ARE BASED ON RELIGION.

[Johnny Yuma]

Originally posted by wellofvow
Oh, my. Thank you for making me smile. I have wondered many times about the American bimbos out demonstrating, without the slightest idea that they were, in real-life terms, demonstrating for the "right" to be denied education, health care, the vote, control of their children, right to divorce their husbands, and on and on. Of course, I am SURE that this is NOT what's taught in the ever-proliferating number of courses in universities on "Islamic studies" or "Moslem culture" or whatever.

You are absolutely correct on "what America is about". Sadly, the question is "Will America be able to survive the unwritten addition to the Bill of Rights, the Freedom to be Stupid"?

IMO, I doubt it - certainly as long as people refuse to understand that it really IS a head-on confrontation of cultures WHICH ARE BASED ON RELIGION.

When I see protesters on the streets, I'm happy I live in a country where we're free to do so. However, when I see them destroying property and assaulting others, I'm thinking, "Gee! This group isn't peaceful at all."

Ironically, it's identical in form to the very thing they're protesting about.

[euphoria]

VERY good point. The funny thing about a lot of these women protesting is that they are VERY pro-women liberties here at home.

They'll scream for hours about a woman's right to choose about their bodies, their careers, their unfair treatment in this 'male-dominated' society. Someone should really enlighten them as to what a truly male-dominated society is all about.

I'm female, btw. ;)

[expat]

Originally posted by yehudi
Not in my name.


.

Alright. I am fully prepared to allow for the fact that this war is Not in Your Name. Duly noted. The bombing, the soldiering, the shooting and the killing; all of these things are done with you having morally washed your hands of their responsibility. I'll be sure to remember that.

Likewise, when recently liberated Iraqis cheer with a glee they haven't known for 30 years upon seeing American troops rolling into their town, and witnessing what might have seemed like a vain hope only a couple years earlier: the sight of an American Major cutting down a poster of Saddam Hussein, this is not done in your name.

When Iraqis say to arriving Marines, "You just arrived. You're late. What took you so long? God help you become victorious. I want to say hello to Bush, to shake his hand. We came out of the grave," this is not done in your name.

When exhausted, relieved Iraqi conscripts surrender in droves to the American soldiers, and for the first time in months or even years are treated to decent medical care and given sufficient amounts of food and water, this is not done in your name.

When the people of Baghdad are able to live free and not be burdened with the daily fear that they might be unlucky enough to cross paths with the unthinkable depravity of the Ba'athist regime, this will not be in your name.

When the people of Iraq breathe a collective sigh of relief and joy after Saddam, his sons and his cronies have shuffled off this mortal coil and ended their national nightmare, this will not be in your name.

When one more ME enclave ceases to become a safe haven for terrorists to launch strikes on your country, this too will not be in your name.

When Iraq holds its first elections and begins to take those first tentative steps towards representative government, peace and prosperity, this will not be in your name.

Mr Mustard ;)

May our servicemen return home safely to their families. May the good people of Iraq enjoy a peaceful future, free from the tyranny of Saddam.

[Johnny Yuma]

Originally posted by euphoria
I am an American and an ex-military member who served in the Bosnian conflict.[quote]

Thank you for your service and congratulations on a job well done!

[quote] After hearing so much anti-war sentiment from those too afraid to fight and too uneducated to understand the need for military force, it is refreshing to see a place where the US military and coalition forces are praised and prayed for instead of insulted and spit upon.

Oh... you will find a few of the latter here, as well. They're quite venomous in their attacks on those of us who support the policy and the troops. (Of course, to quote one of them: what goes around, comes around.)

Kudos to all of you, and many prayers for my brother and sisters in arms. May Saddam's death be quickly brought about, and the Islamic terror end soon. My prayers are with Israel always.

Amen to that brother! Amen to that!

[Johnny Yuma]

Originally posted by euphoria
VERY good point. The funny thing about a lot of these women protesting is that they are VERY pro-women liberties here at home.

They'll scream for hours about a woman's right to choose about their bodies, their careers, their unfair treatment in this 'male-dominated' society. Someone should really enlighten them as to what a truly male-dominated society is all about.

I'm female, btw. ;)


Yeah. That's the problem. The school system omits that part from the curriculum. It truly is a man's world; a cruel and oppressive one, especially to women.

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by expat
Alright. I am fully prepared to allow for the fact that this war is Not in Your Name. Duly noted. The bombing, the soldiering, the shooting and the killing; all of these things are done with you having morally washed your hands of their responsibility. I'll be sure to remember that.

Likewise, when recently liberated Iraqis cheer with a glee they haven't known for 30 years upon seeing American troops rolling into their town, and witnessing what might have seemed like a vain hope only a couple years earlier: the sight of an American Major cutting down a poster of Saddam Hussein, this is not done in your name.

When Iraqis say to arriving Marines, "You just arrived. You're late. What took you so long? God help you become victorious. I want to say hello to Bush, to shake his hand. We came out of the grave," this is not done in your name.

When exhausted, relieved Iraqi conscripts surrender in droves to the American soldiers, and for the first time in months or even years are treated to decent medical care and given sufficient amounts of food and water, this is not done in your name.

When the people of Baghdad are able to live free and not be burdened with the daily fear that they might be unlucky enough to cross paths with the unthinkable depravity of the Ba'athist regime, this will not be in your name.

When the people of Iraq breathe a collective sigh of relief and joy after Saddam, his sons and his cronies have shuffled off this mortal coil and ended their national nightmare, this will not be in your name.

When one more ME enclave ceases to become a safe haven for terrorists to launch strikes on your country, this too will not be in your name.

When Iraq holds its first elections and begins to take those first tentative steps towards representative government, peace and prosperity, this will not be in your name.

Mr Mustard ;)

May our servicemen return home safely to their families. May the good people of Iraq enjoy a peaceful future, free from the tyranny of Saddam. This is an excellent post. I really enjoyed reading all of the points that you made here

Welcome to the Israel Forum. Keep up the good work!

[cerulean]

Originally posted by wellofvow
Oh, my. Thank you for making me smile. I have wondered many times about the American bimbos out demonstrating, without the slightest idea that they were, in real-life terms, demonstrating for the "right" to be denied education, health care, the vote, control of their children, right to divorce their husbands, and on and on. Of course, I am SURE that this is NOT what's taught in the ever-proliferating number of courses in universities on "Islamic studies" or "Moslem culture" or whatever.


What a good set of points. Is it racism or classism or what that make such protesters think such rights don't matter for women in Muslim countries, in the same way such rights matter for themselves?

[Jerry]

Originally posted by cerulean
What a good set of points. Is it racism or classism or what that make such protesters think such rights don't matter for women in Muslim countries, in the same way such rights matter for themselves?

:o You would have found it mighty interesting if you were among the intelligent observers to watch the C-Span program last night of an interview with CNN's analyst Mike Greenfield and Queen Noor of Jordan. Queen Noor is about the same age as Hillary Clinton and she is a very charming intelligent woman who is highly educated and knowledgeable about Islamic matters. She does not walk around wearing the silly shroud; in fact she looks like an American woman. And she definitely gives the lie into some of the caricatures of Arab men and women that are promoted by Hollywood, the Israel Lobby and others. Queen Noor is quite outspoken and defends Islam and says it's a forward and very progressive religion that recognized women's rights hundreds of years before western powers dreamed of women having rights. She has written a book on the subject and you might click on to Queen Noor's channel on the internet and find out more about her and about Islam and you'll see the falsehoods being presented by the hate-mongers.

[LionOfLoyalty]

Jordan is the exception rather than the rule. It is one of the more progressive of the Arab countries and the Royal family, according to several Arab friends of mine, are not looked at as typical Arabs by the rest of the Arab world. A more accurate view of the treatment of woman in Islamic Fundamentalist nations would be found by looking in the streets of Iran or Saudi Arabia. Indeed, it is not Islam that is the problem, rather it's fundamentalist version that appears to be so predominant in many Islamic countries.
Originally posted by Jerry
:o You would have found it mighty interesting if you were among the intelligent observers to watch the C-Span program last night of an interview with CNN's analyst Mike Greenfield and Queen Noor of Jordan. Queen Noor is about the same age as Hillary Clinton and she is a very charming intelligent woman who is highly educated and knowledgeable about Islamic matters. She does not walk around wearing the silly shroud; in fact she looks like an American woman. And she definitely gives the lie into some of the caricatures of Arab men and women that are promoted by Hollywood, the Israel Lobby and others. Queen Noor is quite outspoken and defends Islam and says it's a forward and very progressive religion that recognized women's rights hundreds of years before western powers dreamed of women having rights. She has written a book on the subject and you might click on to Queen Noor's channel on the internet and find out more about her and about Islam and you'll see the falsehoods being presented by the hate-mongers.

[Revkha]

As a former peace activist and anti-(anything) in years past, I can attest that the anti-government feeling far outweighs any reasonable discussion of the issues, much less a recognition of the rights of Muslim and third world women in the current situation. Thank G_d for maturity.

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Jerry
:o You would have found it mighty interesting if you were among the intelligent observers to watch the C-Span program last night of an interview with CNN's analyst Mike Greenfield and Queen Noor of Jordan. Queen Noor is ....
Considering her heritage, is not the Queen more highly influenced in the American cultral basis than in that of the Arab world? Some how I think that her views would be dismissed by much of the Arab community as "Western."

[yehudi]

Originally posted by expat
Alright. I am fully prepared to allow for the fact that this war is Not in Your Name. Duly noted. The bombing, the soldiering, the shooting and the killing; all of these things are done with you having morally washed your hands of their responsibility.
As strange as it may seem, I am not washing my hands. I am completely against the war, but I still consider I have some responsibility in it.

[Jerry]

Originally posted by JustPat
Considering her heritage, is not the Queen more highly influenced in the American cultral basis than in that of the Arab world? Some how I think that her views would be dismissed by much of the Arab community as "Western."

:) thanks for your answer .

I frankly don't know who or what influences the lady. She may have been influenced by her late husband. I can still remember watching the television screen eleven years ago at a reception on the white house lawn which was attended by Israeli prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin, Yasser Arafat, King Faisal and Bill Clinton. Also present but not speaking were Hillary Clinton and Queen Noor. And each of the people on the dais got up to say a few words to commemorate what seemed to be a breakthrough in Israeli and Palestinian relations as both sides struggled to find an accommodation that would be acceptable to their peoples. And Bill Clinton got up and read some prepared remarks from some papers, as did Yitzhak Rabin and as did Yasser Arafat. But when King Faisal stood up he did not read from any papers! I was immensely impressed. He was not a politician. He did not have to read from a damned paper. He was a king! Kings do not have to read from some paper. (This generalization breaks down when you see the Queen of England reading the speech from the Throne) In the cited instance, King Faisal simply stepped up to the microphone and spoke from his heart and I said, "they're stands a king!" I notice the same thing, the same poise, the same class, in Queen Noor the other day. She did not read from notes. She's royalty. ;)

[minusthejihad]

Originally posted by Jerry
And she definitely gives the lie into some of the caricatures of Arab men and women that are promoted by Hollywood, the Israel Lobby and others.

Hi Jerry, welcome to the Forum.

Do you think you can hold off from the conspiracy theories for a bit while some of us get to know you? Coming in here and throwing accusations at the "Jewish Lobby" or "Israeli Lobby" in one of your first posts sure gives away too much at once, don't you think?

Who do you mean anyway? AIPAC? Can you please provide some sources or proof of ways that AIPAC or other groups depict or promote caricatures of Arab men or women?

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Jerry
:) thanks for your answer .

I frankly don't know who or what influences the lady. She may have been influenced by her late husband. I can still remember watching the television screen eleven years ago at a reception on the white house lawn which was attended by Israeli prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin, Yasser Arafat, King Faisal and Bill Clinton. Also present but not speaking were Hillary Clinton and Queen Noor. And each of the people on the dais got up to say a few words to commemorate what seemed to be a breakthrough in Israeli and Palestinian relations as both sides struggled to find an accommodation that would be acceptable to their peoples. And Bill Clinton got up and read some prepared remarks from some papers, as did Yitzhak Rabin and as did Yasser Arafat. But when King Faisal stood up he did not read from any papers! I was immensely impressed. He was not a politician. He did not have to read from a damned paper. He was a king! Kings do not have to read from some paper. (This generalization breaks down when you see the Queen of England reading the speech from the Throne) In the cited instance, King Faisal simply stepped up to the microphone and spoke from his heart and I said, "they're stands a king!" I notice the same thing, the same poise, the same class, in Queen Noor the other day. She did not read from notes. She's royalty. ;)
Jerry, I'm not certain that it is a sign of royalty or rather just clear headed, heart felt conviction. Bill Clinton is an amoral populist who would say whatever he thought those listening wanted to hear. He was adept at switching from one position to another and never miss a step. He is the consumate politician. Arafat, a conniving usurper, does what he thinks will get the best airplay in his constituency, and he cannot be trusted.

Those who speak from ther hearts are a rare breed in this day and time. But speaking from the heart does not guarantee morality or credibility. Saddam may well believe that he won the Gulf War, he certainly speaks with conviction about it.

I believe Queen Noor falls in the category of clear headed, heart felt conviction. I appreciate her leadership and accomplishments.

To me, what counts is a leader who leads with moral clarity, heartfelt conviction, and wisdom. In today's world wisdom is at a premium.