If the protesters had their way....

[Alfred]

If you took all the idiot protesters in:

The United States
Europe
Canada
Australia


And put them into a country of their own....


Would they be able to function?
Would they have running water and electricity?
Would they be a free country for more than 30 days?


Or do you have to have adults to manage a country?

Is the definition of democracy: "Adults running things so that idiots can frolic about like children?"

[euphoria]

LOL Alfred. Agreed.

They wouldn't have running water or even a brain to share between them, but boy oh boy, they'd have some nice protest signs.

[Ralph63]

Originally posted by Alfred
Is the definition of democracy: "Adults running things so that idiots can frolic about like children?"

Go and see the movie "Bowling for Colombine" by Michael Moore. Thank God that not all Americans are paranoid religious rightwing republican gun/defence-nuts after all, is what I have to say. If people like yourselves have continues or even increased influence over US politics in the future, then US will see itself selfcompromized and downsized in the eyes of the world, sooner rather then later.

As for peace-demontrators in US and other parts of the world:

I like to think of them as people who - in previous inkarnations - have collected mostly unglamoures war-experiences. Like for example that of being starving war-refugess; being orphaned as a result of killed parents, being bombed/mine-injured as civilians or soldiers, being deillusionised about self-righteous nationalistic warobjectives, the feeling of being fooled/exploited, being robbed of an naively religious nationalistic black-white view of right and wrong, being physically and/or mentally invalids as a result of the war, being dismissed as leftover war-invalids, with constant physical pains & illnesses, in a society that frankly just dont give a about them anymore.

All of above tends to leave permanent and evergrowing antiwar-feelings in upcoming lives.

Those who are eager to conduct war however, is all those who - in previous incarnations - also may have experienced many wars. But they have all experienced it from a less painful and more glamoures and selfrighteous point of view. They either survived these wars with healed or no injuries. Or they got killed quickly with little or no pain. But if they survived these wars they became mostly decorated and hailed.

Paradoxically, the latter category (the war/defence-nuts that is) often think of themselves as having realistic viewpoints of "whats war really is all about". They feel only contempt for those "less life-experienced" peace-demontrators, who dont seems to understand the realities of our world. In fact: its really is the other way around.

Finally, I want to finish with a quote that have been said to be my fellow countryman Hans Blix favourite one:

"The noble art of losing face will one day save the race." (great quote!)

[euphoria]

I don't personally believe in reincarnation. However, if I did, and if your theory is true, then I'm guessing I must have been a helluva "hailed" soldier the last time around. ;)

[Isiah 2:4]

Heres a few Idiot Protesters...

Martin Luther King, Mohatma Gandhi, Emma Goldman, Noam Chomsky, Emmeline Pankhurst, Nelson mandela...

I suppose anyone who stands up to racist legislation is an idiot.
Campaigning for the freedoms of others in a peaceful
way is stupid is it?
How about those who want to create less death, equal and fair trade, and preservation of our planet, without a thought of profit?

Is all of that idiotic?

What about Albert Einstien and his struggle to prevent nuclear proliferation?

What about Lord Balfour and his declaration which made the British Government pursue a creation of the Jewish Homeland?

He was just a protester in the beginning.

Idiots?

[wellofvow]

Originally posted by Isiah 2:4
Heres a few Idiot Protesters...

Martin Luther King, Mohatma Gandhi, Emma Goldman, Noam Chomsky, Emmeline Pankhurst, Nelson mandela...

I suppose anyone who stands up to racist legislation is an idiot.
Campaigning for the freedoms of others in a peaceful
way is stupid is it?
How about those who want to create less death, equal and fair trade, and preservation of our planet, without a thought of profit?

Is all of that idiotic?

Idiots?

Everyone of us can pick and choose and select whom he or she chooses to call a protester for peace, campaigner for freedoms and preservation of our planet, etc. I myself violently object to Noam Chomsky being called a "protester". The man has serious psychiatric pathology and is an overtly self-hater. Self-haters have a tendency toward suicide - they are not stable personalities. Also in your list, Nelson Mandela has a serious problem with swallowing propaganda as truth.

Anti-abortion protesters have killed doctors and nurses in the name of "protesting" what they believe is wrong.

Those against animal experimentation have also killed.

And of course, Palestinian "protesters" have murdered hundreds, wounded and crippled thousands.

I have a serious problem when "protesters" kill or incite to violence in the course of their "protest". When groups protest Israeli policy, and then start screaming "Death to the Jews! Death to Israel!", you'd better bet that I feel threatened.

I would not call protesters idiots. I have protested myself. BUT I have made myself completely informed and understood what I am protesting about. I also have not killed anybody nor called for the death of anyone.

Americans and many others in the world are becoming confused or are deliberately blurring the concepts of freedom of speech with freedom to violence. It is becoming an incredibly dangerous world society because of this.

Why did you call the coalition war for a regime change (among other goals) in Iraq "racist legislation"?

[Isiah 2:4]

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Why did you call the coalition war for a regime change (among other goals) in Iraq "racist legislation"? [/B]


I think you have misread my post. Where did i mention anything to with coalition forces or the iraqi war?

I am sorry if you interpreted it this way, but i was actually referring to the domestic laws of both the U.S and Britain, which have been reformed through intelligent and peaceful protest.
That is protest against bigotry, ignorance and apathetic policies.

Okay, it is true that there are protesters who use the most extreme and violent methods, to assert their cause, and it is often fuelled by interests which go further than emanciapation.

My post was just a reaction to this thraed which was started with the asumption that you have to be stupid, idiotic and childish to become involved in protest. I am simplty trying to demonstrate that this is not the case.

The war in Iraq is being protested by two very different factions, which seem to have been blurred.

The first opinion is that of those people who believe that this war will only intensify the violence and unstability of the region, elevating the current situation and spawning more hatred, fear and long lasting problems. These people do not disagree that Saddam Hussein is an evil tyrant who needs to be disarmed and destroyed, but these people also believe that action without the U.N is projecting a dangerous impression of uK/US imperialism.

I am one of these people.

The other group, are those who are already opposed to any western intervention in the middle east and are using the current military campaign to intensify support for freedom in palsetine. Unfortunately, support for Palestine is nearly always interpretated as support of terrorism. It is not, it is support for a just and fair solution to the conflict.

There are ambiguous interests for supporting either argument in the Israeli - Palestine sit. , and it seems to me that they are all hashed and re-hashed until both sides interpret them as the same thing. Destruction of Israel or Denial of Palestine.

It is too easy to simplfy the differing arguments, so forgive me if i seem naive.

The only thing that worries me, is that as a jew and a person who wants to see israel endure, it has been made apparent to me that there is no other way i can support it other than defending the israeli military, sending money to terror victims or dismissing any criticisers of israel as anti-Semitic.

The people of palestine who are void of human rights, freedom and liberty, opressed by curfews and sanctions and manipulated by other Arab interests need support too.

So all i say is Peace Now. Always and forever, respect, understanding and truth. Long Live Israel, basking in the warmth of love and peace, welcom to the birth of Palestine, nurtured by freedom and aid, and eradication of War, eradication of Terror.