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LionOfLoyalty
03-29-2003, 02:03 PM
A story I found here, I can't give you the link because it'll be expired in a few days, but here's the text. And they say the Iraqi people don't like Americans! :rolleyes:

Top Stories - AFP

Iraqi civilians feed hungry US marines
50 minutes ago


CENTRAL IRAQ (AFP) - Iraqi civilians fleeing heavy fighting have stunned and delighted hungry US marines in central Iraq (news - web sites) by giving them food, as guerrilla attacks continue to disrupt coalition supply lines to the rear.

Sergeant Kenneth Wilson said Arabic-speaking US troops made contact with two busloads of Iraqis fleeing south along Route Seven towards Rafit, one of the first friendly meetings with local people for the marines around here.


"They had slaughtered lambs and chickens and boiled eggs and potatoes for their journey out of the frontlines," Wilson said.


At one camp, the buses stopped and women passed out food to the troops, who have had to ration their army-issue packets of ready-to-eat meals due to disruptions to supply lines by fierce fighting further south.


Civilians have remained largely out of sight since the invasion began 10 days ago. Towns and villages are virtually deserted, prompting speculation that most had shifted to safer ground before the fighting began.


Corpsman Tony Garcia said the food donation was an act of appreciation for the American effort to topple the brutal regime of Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).


"They gave us eggs and potatoes to feed our marines and corpsmen. I feel the local population are grateful and they want to see an end to Saddam Hussein," he said.


"It was a lovely, beautiful gesture."


Khairi Ilrekibi, 35, a passenger on one of the buses, which broke down near the marine position, said he could speak for the 20 others on board.


In broken English he told a correspondent travelling with the marines: "We like Americans," adding that no one liked Saddam Hussein because "he was not kind."


He said Iraqi civilians living near him were opposed to Saddam Hussein and that most were hiding in their homes and were extremely tired.


Lance Corporal David Polikowsky stood guard over 70 POWS near the broken down bus, saying how grateful he was for food cooked and donated by locals, which included oranges.


Looking on warily at the POWS he was guarding, who included two Jordanians, as well as an Iraqi colonel, captain, major and second lieutenant from special forces and the regular army, he said he had been moved by comments from local civilians.


He said they told him: "We welcome you. What is your name? We will pray for you."


He said another group of POWS, largely conscripts, had been moved south.


"They told me they wanted to go to America after the war. I said where. They said California. I said why? They said the song Hotel California and they left singing Hotel California."


Soldiers with this marine division -- on the east of a two-pronged thrust toward Baghdad -- have seen some of the fiercest fighting of the war so far.

They battled their way through heavy fire at Nasiriyah, Sharat and Rafit before pausing to resupply within 250 kilometres (180 miles) of Baghdad on Thursday.

Prisoners have been taken and pockets of displaced people carrying white flags have been seen along the way. Some have waved, others have asked the marines for cigarettes and water.

But US troops have been keeping a wary distance from civilians, mindful of reports that some Iraqi forces were mingling with civilians in order to drift through American lines and launch surprise attacks.

Ambushes and harassing fire along the massive communications lines to Kuwait in the south have caused casualties and disrupted supplies of water, food and fuel to the frontline troops.

Garcia and Wilson are attached to a Shock Trauma Platoon with the Marine Expeditionary Force and have treated about 20 civilians for war-related wounds in the past five days.

As troops munched on their feast, one medic warned the food could have been deliberately contaminated.

He was quickly disregarded as the hungry marines forged ahead to make a fondue out of a donated tin of Australian processed cheese, but the potatoes were eaten before the cheese could melt.

"Man I never thought a boiled egg could taste so damn good," one burly marine observed.

cerulean
03-29-2003, 02:07 PM
Here's a link that works for now.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20030329/wl_mideast_afp/iraq_war_civilians&cid=1514&ncid=1478

Neat story :)

I agree the troops should consider the possibility of poisoning, like the medic indicated, but it sounds like they made a reasonable judgment this hadn't happened here.

Ralph63
03-29-2003, 02:14 PM
This can be true or it can be propaganda. I sure as heck dont know - but at least I admit that. :cool:

Johnny Yuma
03-29-2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Ralph63
This can be true or it can be propaganda. I sure as heck dont know - but at least I admit that. :cool:

There was a live report from an embedded reporter saying the same thing, but he was in a different part of the country. Looks as though, to the chagrin of many, that it was not an isolated incident.

Am Yisrael
03-30-2003, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by Ralph63
This can be true or it can be propaganda. I sure as heck dont know - but at least I admit that. :cool:

Why is it so hard for Anti-war protesters to see that plenty Iraqi civilians welcome a war to get rid of Saddam?

cerulean
03-30-2003, 01:54 AM
The Iraqi civilians are not necessarily safe if they show their true feelings about the coalition troops.

From the British paper News of the World:
(Current URL, but this is likely to break soon:

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/news4.html

By Ian Kirby, Political Editor

A SMILING teenage girl who waved at patrolling British soldiers and accepted a big-hearted squaddie's gift of chocolate was HANGED by agents of Saddam.

The butchers of the dictator's corrupt Ba'ath party had spied on the Muslim youngster from an alleyway in Az Zubayr near Basra.

Battle-hardened troops of the 1st Batallion, The Royal Irish Regiment choked back tears when they later saw her limp beaten body swaying from a lamp-post in the ramshackle south Iraq town held by Allies.

And yesterday their grim-faced commander, Lt Colonel Tim Collins chewed on a cigar and confirmed:

"A teenage girl who waved at my troops was hanged within the hour.

"These daily outrages have made us more determined than ever to crush Saddam's evil regime. There's still much fear among the people we're meeting.

"Our mission is to assuage it, to fill the power vacuum left by the decapitation of the Ba'ath Party. . . .

Salim
03-30-2003, 03:23 AM
Unfortunately not all the Irquies are able to welcome their liberators.
According to the embedded Sunday Times journalist Mark Franchetti US-liberators shot 12 civillians, including women and children, while they tried to escape from the artillery shelling of Nasirija during the night.
"It was their mistake to escape over a bridge that was of crucial importance for the supply lines of the coalition - right into young scared to death marines, who had orders to shoot everything that was moving."

Then Franchetti is describing the dead body of a little girl not older than 5, that is lying next to a man who could be her father, and whose half-head is missing.

To some extent US-soldiers don't feel any sorrow:
"The Iraquis are ill people, and we are the chemotherapy"
a named corporal was quoted.
He began to "hate this land".


sources:
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,242715,00.html
(only german)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-628258,00.html
(not free)

Ralph63
03-30-2003, 04:31 AM
Originally posted by Am Yisrael
Why is it so hard for Anti-war protesters to see that plenty Iraqi civilians welcome a war to get rid of Saddam?

And why is it so hard for war-enthusiasts to see that plenty Iraqi civilians can have long-term religious/nationalistic feelings that quickly overrides any short-term post-war satisfaction of getting rid of Saddams regime? Especially after listening to what US officials have to say about plans for a "liberated" Iraq:

Colin Powell: "We didn't take on this huge burden with our coalition partners not to be able to have a significant dominating control over how it unfolds in the future. [...] We have picked on a greater obligation -- to make sure there is a functioning Iraqi government that is supported by the coalition, the center of gravity remaining with the coalition, military and civilian"

I should also remind you that Baghdad have great historic and symbolic value in the hearts of the muslim world. Alongside with Mecka, Medina, Damaskus and so on. This lack of foresight in how the world is likely to react will be disastrous in the long run.

Nelson Mandela about George W Bush: "A president who has no foresight and cannot think properly" :p

Am Yisrael
03-30-2003, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by Ralph63
[B]And why is it so hard for war-enthusiasts to see that plenty Iraqi civilians can have long-term religious/nationalistic feelings that quickly overrides any short-term post-war satisfaction of getting rid of Saddams regime? Especially after listening to what US officials have to say about plans for a "liberated" Iraq:

Well yes maybe a liberated Iraq will eventualy go back to its original tyranical state but do you really think that Saddam deserves to continue ruling Iraq? At least if Iraq is liberated than the Iraqi population will be able to decide who they are having in power.

Johnny Yuma
03-30-2003, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by Am Yisrael
Well yes maybe a liberated Iraq will eventualy go back to its original tyranical state but do you really think that Saddam deserves to continue ruling Iraq? At least if Iraq is liberated than the Iraqi population will be able to decide who they are having in power.

....... and if "they choose" another leader like Saddam Hussein and they continue to be a state sponsor of terrorism, and, if there's a "next time", we will know where their evil hearts are and that it's not "just" the leadership, and won't have to be quite so discriminating as to where the bombs fall, will we?