Jesus was a Jewish Settler

[SteveMetch]

I find it very interesting that one of the most famous Jews that every lived would be considered a “Settler”.

The road map for peace is a colossal waste of time and lives. The double policy on terrorism that the United States is attempting to impose on Israel is shameful. Those who endorse this double standard are one in the same with those who turned away Jews attempting to flee Nazi Germany and were later murdered in the death camps.

An Arab state within the boundaries of historical Israel would be a glorified refuge camp from which to breed and launch attacks against at what remained of the Jewish state.


“1 Kings 3:16-28

A Wise Ruling

Now two prostitutes came to the king and stood before him. One of them said, "My lord, this woman and I live in the same house. I had a baby while she was there with me. The third day after my child was born, this woman also had a baby. We were alone; there was no one in the house but the two of us. "During the night this woman's son died because she lay on him. So she got up in the middle of the night and took my son from my side while I your servant was asleep. She put him by her breast and put her dead son by my breast. The next morning, I got up to nurse my son-and he was dead! But when I looked at him closely in the morning light, I saw that it wasn't the son I had borne." The other woman said, "No! The living one is my son; the dead one is yours." But the first one insisted, "No! The dead one is yours; the living one is mine." And so they argued before the king. The king said, "This one says, 'My son is alive and your son is dead,' while that one says, 'No! Your son is dead and mine is alive.' " Then the king said, "Bring me a sword." So they brought a sword for the king. He then gave an order: "Cut the living child in two and give half to one and half to the other." The woman whose son was alive was filled with compassion for her son and said to the king, "Please, my lord, give her the living baby! Don't kill him!" But the other said, "Neither I nor you shall have him. Cut him in two!" Then the king gave his ruling: "Give the living baby to the first woman. Do not kill him; she is his mother." When all Israel heard the verdict the king had given, they held the king in awe, because they saw that he had wisdom from God to administer justice.”


The majority of the Jewish people are willing to share their historical land with Non Jews in peace. By contrast the majority of Muslims want to either divide the historic nation of Israel into two parts or take full ownership of it. By this fact the Jewish people are the true owners and should be granted all of historic Israel.

The Muslims should find somewhere else in the remaining 99.5% of the Middle East to live. Iraq might be a good place. Within the next 10 years it should become the most successful Arab nation in the world. I’m sure the United States of America could find good homes for them there. After all Saddam created all this open space in Iraq by systematically murdering his fellow Arabs.

[L@mplighterM]

The Muslims want all of the pie and that of course includes the State of Israel.

Nothing less will do!

[richcrassus]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM
The Muslims want all of the pie and that of course includes the State of Israel.

Nothing less will do!

IS that why the end will come truly, when they either start a new holocaust part 2 and attack israel and kill jews, or we nuke all of them, and i mean all 1Billion of them, cos thats how its gonna end, unless theres a 'permenant' ceasefire, like for 10yrs or so, than the suicide attacks start again, thats not real peace.
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[andak01]

Thankfully, clearer heads are in charge.

[L@mplighterM]

I don’t know how it will end but I do know that there are elements within Islam that want to destroy Israel.

[andak01]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM
I don’t know how it will end but I do know that there are elements within Islam that want to destroy Israel.

You are correct. And there are elements in the Christian right that want this all to end in an Armageddon over the Temple Mount, the sooner the better. The only hope is for the moderate among us to pull together instead of polarizing to extremes.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by andak01
You are correct. And there are elements in the Christian right that want this all to end in an Armageddon over the Temple Mount, the sooner the better. The only hope is for the moderate among us to pull together instead of polarizing to extremes.

There comes a time when decent and otherwise moderate people must recognize that there are evil forces in the world bent on killing and/or enslaving others. There are only two choices in dealing with such forces: appease them or fight them.

Today, Israel faces an evil not seen since Nazi Germany. Islamism is racist, murderous, and aggressive. The goal of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PFLP, Al Aqsa Brigades, and Hezbollah is to kill Jews. They are not interested in any compromises. They are not interested in peace--they are interested in Jihad. The only thing that inhibits them is Israel's military power.

Israel must launch an all-out offensive against the Palestinians. The only solution is military victory. Negotiating with a thoroughly terrorist society is nothing more than capitulating to blackmail. The question is not which Palestinian leader will fight terrorism, because no Palestinian leader will fight terrorism (unless he defects to Israel). The question is who will survive.

[L@mplighterM]

I’m afraid that you’re correct and I do think that more attention would be given to Israel if they geared up for war. I see no reason that the Palestinians shouldn’t be given an ultimatum similar to the one given to Iraq. For that matter a line in the sand should be drawn regarding Syria and Lebanon cross it and it means war.

Enough is enough already stop the threat and/or terrorism immediately or face the consequences. I would liken the statement made by the Hamas leadership to that of Nasser.

[humus_sapiens]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
Israel must launch an all-out offensive against the Palestinians.

I agree with you in general, but let's not forget the Pals are only an avantgarde of our sworn enemies. The Saudi "peacemakers", the Egyptian "filmmakers", the Baathist Syrians, etc. our neighbors who keeps the Pales in misery, incites, finances, justifies terror. Don't forget the extreme leftists 5th column (they are the worst IMHO, wish their "bleeding hearts" bled down already).

[SteveMetch]

Originally posted by L@mplighterM
I’m afraid that you’re correct and I do think that more attention would be given to Israel if they geared up for war. I see no reason that the Palestinians shouldn’t be given an ultimatum similar to the one given to Iraq. For that matter a line in the sand should be drawn regarding Syria and Lebanon cross it and it means war.

Enough is enough already stop the threat and/or terrorism immediately or face the consequences. I would liken the statement made by the Hamas leadership to that of Nasser.

What do you think about the Peace or Land idea?

[SteveMetch]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
There comes a time when decent and otherwise moderate people must recognize that there are evil forces in the world bent on killing and/or enslaving others. There are only two choices in dealing with such forces: appease them or fight them.

Today, Israel faces an evil not seen since Nazi Germany. Islamism is racist, murderous, and aggressive. The goal of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PFLP, Al Aqsa Brigades, and Hezbollah is to kill Jews. They are not interested in any compromises. They are not interested in peace--they are interested in Jihad. The only thing that inhibits them is Israel's military power.

Israel must launch an all-out offensive against the Palestinians. The only solution is military victory. Negotiating with a thoroughly terrorist society is nothing more than capitulating to blackmail. The question is not which Palestinian leader will fight terrorism, because no Palestinian leader will fight terrorism (unless he defects to Israel). The question is who will survive.

What do you think about the Peace or Land idea?

[L@mplighterM]

Originally posted by SteveMetch
What do you think about the Peace or Land idea?


Well as you know the WB and GS are remnants of land that wasn’t returned to the Arabs. There’s two parcels make up approximately 5% of the land conquered in 1967, the rest was returned for peace. I don’t believe that the mindset of Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese or Egyptians have changed a great deal when it comes to truly accepting Israelis presence in the ME.

If anyone has difficulty accepting the fact that these countries are opposed to terrorism directed at Israel try running a full page add in their newspapers that show support for Israel.

The majority of Arabs do not like Jews period and couldn’t care less if each and every one of them were slaughtered.

I certainly don’t think that returning the 95% of the conquered territory has won any favors for Israel from the Arab world. I think that Jordan and Egypt snookered the former leaders of Israel when they relinquished their right to the WB/GS. I think those countries knew full well what lay ahead and whatever agreement was made should be opened and those sections should be returned minus whatever land Israel requires for secure borders.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by humus_sapiens
I agree with you in general, but let's not forget the Pals are only an avantgarde of our sworn enemies. The Saudi "peacemakers", the Egyptian "filmmakers", the Baathist Syrians, etc. our neighbors who keeps the Pales in misery, incites, finances, justifies terror. Don't forget the extreme leftists 5th column (they are the worst IMHO, wish their "bleeding hearts" bled down already).

These forces are at a distance and they have much more to lose by attacking Israel.

The Egyptians are worried about losing the Sinai again. They also worry about Cairo being bombed.

The Saudis worry about their obscene palaces and oil rigs. They won't attack Israel... unless bin Laden comes to power.

But one should never discount the possibility of Islamists trying to wipe Israel off the map. These people are profoundly evil and have no other outlet for their sexual frustration.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by SteveMetch
What do you think about the Peace or Land idea?

Do you mean "land for peace"?

[SteveMetch]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
Do you mean "land for peace"?

Proposal

Step 1: Divide the West Bank and Gaza into approx. 1,000 logical land tracts.

Step 2: Announce to the world that every Israel citizen killed from this point forward will result in the annexation of 1 land tract in the order outlined by a published map.

Step 3: After a terrorist attack has killed X number of citizens the appropriate set of land tracts will be annexed and all Non-Israel citizens will be forcibly removed from the land tract.

Step 4: Any structures deemed unnecessary or that represent a security risk will be removed.


The logical order of land tracts:

Land tracts around the green line that improve security

Land tracts which help connect settlements to what is currently Israel

Land tracts that contain no Arab populations (settlements, open land etc)

Land tracts that contain shanty town Arab populations

Land tracts that do not include infrastructure (power plants etc)

Land tracts that does include infrastructure

Land tracts that contain more permanent Arab populations

All remaining land

Currently there is no established non-ambiguous price tag on violence; as such Israel lives have no value to the Arabs. Placing a definite value on each murder will bring some measure of meaning to the death of so many people as well as establish an ultimate end to the death toll.

Land for Peace has failed. Its time to give Peace or Land a try.


The two possible long term out comes to this are

Option 1:

Arabs stop killing Jews, 100 to 200 years from now when both populations have grown up in an environment of mutal respect and non-violence they will be able to form a Liberal Democracy as one nation.

Option 2:

Arabs continue to kill Jews and are removed from all of Gaza and the West Bank and find somewhere in the remaining 99.5% of the Middle East to live.

[Mediocrates]

Put up a big sign with two lines of text: the first line says "we'll negotiate when there is no terrorism after "x" days. And then put whatever # for X. The second line says "Z" days since the last terrorist event.

And every single time someone makes a demand on Israel simply point to the sign.

[ibrodsky]

Originally posted by SteveMetch
Proposal

The two possible long term out comes to this are

Option 1:

Arabs stop killing Jews, 100 to 200 years from now when both populations have grown up in an environment of mutal respect and non-violence they will be able to form a Liberal Democracy as one nation.

No, I don't see any point in talking about one nation. What will happen in 100 - 200 years is science fiction.

Option 2:

Arabs continue to kill Jews and are removed from all of Gaza and the West Bank and find somewhere in the remaining 99.5% of the Middle East to live.

They will certainly continue to kill Jews. I think transfer is probably the most humane solution for both them and Israelis.

[Adversary2Arabs]

Originally posted by richcrassus
IS that why the end will come truly, when they either start a new holocaust part 2 and attack israel and kill jews, or we nuke all of them, and i mean all 1Billion of them, cos thats how its gonna end, unless theres a 'permenant' ceasefire, like for 10yrs or so, than the suicide attacks start again, thats not real peace.
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Gave me a good laugh(the deletion).

[Adversary2Arabs]

Originally posted by SteveMetch
Proposal

Step 1: Divide the West Bank and Gaza into approx. 1,000 logical land tracts.

Step 2: Announce to the world that every Israel citizen killed from this point forward will result in the annexation of 1 land tract in the order outlined by a published map.

Step 3: After a terrorist attack has killed X number of citizens the appropriate set of land tracts will be annexed and all Non-Israel citizens will be forcibly removed from the land tract.

Step 4: Any structures deemed unnecessary or that represent a security risk will be removed.


The logical order of land tracts:

Land tracts around the green line that improve security

Land tracts which help connect settlements to what is currently Israel

Land tracts that contain no Arab populations (settlements, open land etc)

Land tracts that contain shanty town Arab populations

Land tracts that do not include infrastructure (power plants etc)

Land tracts that does include infrastructure

Land tracts that contain more permanent Arab populations

All remaining land

Currently there is no established non-ambiguous price tag on violence; as such Israel lives have no value to the Arabs. Placing a definite value on each murder will bring some measure of meaning to the death of so many people as well as establish an ultimate end to the death toll.

Land for Peace has failed. Its time to give Peace or Land a try.


The two possible long term out comes to this are

Option 1:

Arabs stop killing Jews, 100 to 200 years from now when both populations have grown up in an environment of mutal respect and non-violence they will be able to form a Liberal Democracy as one nation.

Option 2:

Arabs continue to kill Jews and are removed from all of Gaza and the West Bank and find somewhere in the remaining 99.5% of the Middle East to live.

I LIKE IT! But It should be land and lives.
1 Jewish Israeli life = 1 land tract and 100 Arabs.

[humus_sapiens]

Originally posted by Adversary2Arabs
I LIKE IT! But It should be land and lives.
1 Jewish Israeli life = 1 land tract and 100 Arabs.

I like the plan. Except the "one nation" thing is beyond my horizon. I don't want their lives, either. Actually, I want them to be happy, prosperous, educated and leave us alone.

[Adversary2Arabs]

Originally posted by humus_sapiens
I like the plan. Except the "one nation" thing is beyond my horizon. I don't want their lives, either. Actually, I want them to be happy, prosperous, educated and leave us alone.

I wouldn't like that. No matter where in the world they live, if they prosper, do you really think they'll stop supporting terrorism? Especially if they are all weathly? How about NO.