Its not about Iraq WMD

[SteveMetch]

Everyone is missing the point. 9-11-2001 demonstrated just how venerable the United States is to non conventional attack. A majority of us are very fearful of the threat posed by a smuggled nuclear weapon. Given the tons of smuggled drugs that enter the US everyday it’s not hard to imagine a scenario in which a tactical nuke, purchase from the Russian mob or North Korea, is detonated in say New York City or Washington DC.

Due to this newly realized fear the US cannot be expected to act in a purely rational fashion in which every i is dotted and every t crossed with the international community before we act in our perceived self defense. As such, countries already on our enemy list are prime targets for an emotional counter response even though they may have not initiated the attack or even be in the process of one. Iraq is a case in point. We simple didn’t trust Saddam based on our past WMD experience with him and our emotional state after 9-11 end of story.

All this tit for tat internationally legal stuff misses completely the current emotional state of US citizens. We are simple not going to be all that critical of our democratically elected leaders who actively pursue and destroy those who threaten the US with non-conventional WMD attacks. Maybe we will kill a bunch of “innocent” bad guys, so what, they are bad guys none the less and as this worlds only hyper-power it is difficult to understand why we as citizens should risk our families so that a few more bad guys can run around causing suffering just because we can’t prove in an international court of law that they intend to attack the US. Better to get rid of them now than risk a nuclear attack later.

O and by the way a friendly reminder to all you WMD developing and Islamism harboring/promoting nations in the world. It would be in your best interest to become our best friends as quickly as possible before someone is stupid enough to attack us with a smuggled nuclear weapon. While you may not be responsible we will fear you none the less and act emotionally to remove the threat real or imaginary. Imperial Japan in WW2 never even approached the same threat level as WMD terrorism does today yet we were prepared to exterminate every last person in Japan if that’s what it took to remove the threat. If you’re not guilty I am sure God will have no problem in sorting you out later. Pleasant dreams.


“Lets Roll”

[MichaelC]

Originally posted by SteveMetch
O and by the way a friendly reminder to all you WMD developing and Islamism harboring/promoting nations in the world. It would be in your best interest to become our best friends as quickly as possible before someone is stupid enough to attack us with a smuggled nuclear weapon. While you may not be responsible we will fear you none the less and act emotionally to remove the threat real or imaginary. Imperial Japan in WW2 never even approached the same threat level as WMD terrorism does today yet we were prepared to exterminate every last person in Japan if that’s what it took to remove the threat. If you’re not guilty I am sure God will have no problem in sorting you out later. Pleasant dreams.


“Lets Roll”
There seem to be many in the US who would allow a free hand to those who have indicated their willingness to do us great harm. Those who wish to harm us have already proven that they have the patience and wherewithal to do so, and it is obvious to all but the deluded that they will continue to plan more attacks until they succeed.

I keep asking myself how many have to die in what horrible fashion for the obstructionists in America to understand the threat. 911 is proof of intent and the modern history of the ME is evidence of the rabid nature of those who wish to destroy us.

You have pointed out something that everyone ought to understand. If someone does manage to explode a nuke in one of our cities, the response will far exceed what has occurred with Afghanistan and Iraq and will be far more rapid.

It has been my contention again and again on this board that muslims would do themselves and everyone else a great favor by instituting an international movement that would arouse the so-called "peaceful muslims" to a visible and vocal condemnation of terrorism. That has not happened and we must ask ourselves why it is that muslims will not do this. Were such a movement among Muslims to arise, I for one would be given hope that this concept of "peaceful muslims" who do not support terrorism is a reality,

I'm still waiting.

[LevyCohen]

Originally posted by MichaelC

It has been my contention again and again on this board that muslims would do themselves and everyone else a great favor by instituting an international movement that would arouse the so-called "peaceful muslims" to a visible and vocal condemnation of terrorism. That has not happened and we must ask ourselves why it is that muslims will not do this. Were such a movement among Muslims to arise, I for one would be given hope that this concept of "peaceful muslims" who do not support terrorism is a reality,

I'm still waiting.


We are all still waiting. Unfortunately, it doesnt look like it is happening any time soon....

Out of a Billion People, I beleive at least 99% are rational, thinking people...facts on the ground dont seem to support it right now, but dang it, Im still hoping for the movement, too....

(Where's the support for the obvious Jewish movements that do exist?)
actually, that reminds me, there are some joint Jewish-Moslem projects starting up here(Im involved in setting them up), I hope the idea spreads..

[Donna]

Yes, two very good posts.

Thank you SteveMetch and MichaelC.

[SteveMetch]

It’s almost as if America’s enemies have no knowledge of just how angry and fearful we would be in the event of a WMD attack. Why are these nations playing games with us? Don’t they understand the danger we represent to them? Do they think that after a WMD attack were going to convene some 5 year fact finding mission with the international community before we lash out? I think the international community both friend and foe had better start thinking seriously why we actual went to war with Iraq. The governments of Iran and North Korea’s missile/WMD programs are only increasing the risk of a US retaliation not reducing it. If I were them I would be actively dismantling my programs with international help and full discloser like South Africa did to get a clean bill of health as quickly as possible. Both countries may have had nothing to do with the hypothetical WMD attack. It will not matter. There has been a lot of talk about the “Arab Street”. What about the “American Street”. The “American Street” could extinguish the lives of millions of people in 30 minutes. It is very dangerous to generate extreme fear and anger in a nation so powerful.

[red crabtree]

Steve, I tend to agree with your last post. Seems to me anyone that is thinking should realize that while this country is a democracy etc... arouse the plain Joe American and life could be very very tough for some people. It is why I sincerely believe that radical Islam will not succeed. I think most people overseas have little conception of the "American Street" they have no idea what a ridgerunner is or how people, particularly in the conservative west and south would behave is this country were attacked in a big way again, WMD or not. I do not live in the south, but I still live in a conservative rural area, and by that I do not mean so much religiously conservative, but more in a way that we can and will take care of our own.
To me the war in Iraq was about WMD, but not also. About them in the point that we knew they were there, we knew that SH was capable of using them, we knew he was supporting at least Palastinine terrorists and we had enough fear of what could be for us to act. And obviously will do so whether other nations like it or not. I think though too, we need to look at another side of this. Al Queda used the Palastinine cause as part of their own I believe to being more support to them not so much because they believe in it. SH was supporting Palastinine terrorism, camps were found etc... and while they may not directly connect to Al Queda they did not need to. While a direct connection may not be there, it is a roundabout connection. Those connections have to be broken. Iraq was a place to start. Those who ever had a thought that it would be in and out were not listening to the President when he made it clear the fight on terrorism would involve many nations and many, many years. Perhaps we have become a nation so used to instant gratification or instant whatever that they do not have a conception of what it is going to take to get us where we need to be. Terrorism did not spring up just since 9/11, it has had years to grow and it will take years to defeat it. The simple act of bombing someone like other Presidents have done is not going to make that happen. I don't even like Bush but I do agree with the war in Iraq. Not much else I agree with, but I did support and continue to support that.

[andak01]

Originally posted by LevyCohen
(Where's the support for the obvious Jewish movements that do exist?)
actually, that reminds me, there are some joint Jewish-Moslem projects starting up here(Im involved in setting them up), I hope the idea spreads..

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