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L@mplighterM
08-06-2003, 06:15 PM
Sharon is ready to pound Palestinians the way Bush whipped Saddam

By Zev Chafets


http://www.jewishworldreview.com | The Pentagon has dropped its scheme to create a stock market for investors who want to trade in international disasters. Too bad. I was planning to make a bundle on Palestinian futures. Naturally, I intended to sell short. You can't go wrong betting on the Palestinian genius for self-inflicted disaster.

Last week, on a visit to Jerusalem, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, described the ceasefire between Israel and the Palestinians as "paper-thin." That overestimates the durability of paper. All signs point to an outbreak of fighting by the end of the summer.

The Palestinians lost the last intifadeh, which is why they asked for a ceasefire. And they will lose the next. The difference is, this time it will be Israel's intifadeh. And America won't be there to stop it. In fact, the United States will be rooting Israel on.

The Palestinians were warned about this when Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas visited the White House last month. Abbas came with complaints: the security fence (Abbas calls it a wall) Israel is building across the West Bank, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's refusal to open the prison gates and release thousands of inmates and the general difficulties of life under occupation.

President Bush was polite. He agreed that the fence might be a problem, although he didn't sound as if he cared much - an impression confirmed during Sharon's subsequent visit to Washington. On the other hand, Bush was unsympathetic on the subject of releasing terrorists and downright hostile to the Palestinian claim that under the terms of the road map, they are obligated to nothing more than a ceasefire.

In the road map, the Palestinians agreed to make "visible efforts on the ground to arrest, disrupt and restrain individuals and groups conducting and planning violent attacks on Israelis anywhere." In other words, Abbas and his colleagues have promised to take on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the rest of the armed terrorist groups.

Obviously, the Palestinians knew this when they signed up for the road map. What they didn't know is that Bush would hold them to it. As the late Udai Hussein observed, in a related context, Bush isn't like Bill Clinton. The president is deadly serious about fighting terrorism, including Palestinian terrorism. And so is Sharon (you could say he isn't Ehud Barak).

"For the past three years, we have paid a heavy price for Israel's restraint over the daily violations of the Oslo Accords," he told the graduating class of Israel's National Defense College last week.

But that's all over now. Sharon is demanding nothing less than "a total cessation of violence" and "the fulfillment of every obligation included in the road map." In plain Hebrew, this means that if the Palestinians don't go after the terrorists, he will.

The day after Sharon's speech, Palestinian security chief Mohammed Dahlan responded by saying he would not disarm Hamas and other groups because it would lead to a civil war. He's calling Sharon's bluff. And Bush's.

This will be a painful mistake. Sharon and Bush are operating under the same motto: Bring 'em on.

Sharon has been building toward this moment since he became prime minister. First, by retaking the West Bank in the spring of 2002, he exploded the myth that the Palestinians could win a guerrilla war. Then he isolated and discredited Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. Finally, he pounded the Palestinians into exhaustion, forcing them to ask for a temporary truce.

None of this could have come to pass without the backing of the Israeli public - or the support of the Bush administration. The price of this support was signing up for the road map. Sharon - who doesn't necessarily want the Palestinian state the plan envisions - was ready to pay. He figured Abbas' check would bounce, and then he'd get a refund from the Americans.

Sharon seems to have been banking on a sure thing. Palestinian terror groups already are engaged in a recruiting drive and an effort to replenish their weapons, including stocks of crude mortars. Arafat is stridently calling Abbas' patriotism and manhood into question. It's just a matter of time before the Palestinians whip themselves into a delusional state of righteous indignation over Israeli crimes, real and imagined. Then the shooting starts - and Israel's intifadeh.

The campaign Sharon has planned will take its tactical cues from U.S. operations in Iraq. Rules of engagement will be the same. Leaders once considered immune - the chief of Hamas, the heads of Islamic Jihad in Damascus and perhaps Arafat himself - will get the Saddam Hussein treatment.

When the fighting stops, Sharon intends for the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority to be as dead as the Iraqi Baath Party. Any future Palestinian government will have to conform to the criteria America has set for self-government in Baghdad: constitutional government and a full commitment to peace.

It is, of course, unclear that the United States can pull this off in Iraq. And it is perhaps even less likely that it will work in the West Bank and Gaza. But that doesn't trouble Sharon. Having adopted the American gold standard, he comes out ahead. Pentagon stock market or no, Palestinian futures are a loser.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0803/chafets_2003_08_05.php3

old-reb
08-07-2003, 06:39 AM
Originally posted by L@mplighterM


President Bush was polite. He agreed that the fence might be a problem, although he didn't sound as if he cared much - an impression confirmed during Sharon's subsequent visit to Washington. On the other hand, Bush was unsympathetic on the subject of releasing terrorists and downright hostile to the Palestinian claim that under the terms of the road map, they are obligated to nothing more than a ceasefire.

In the road map, the Palestinians agreed to make "visible efforts on the ground to arrest, disrupt and restrain individuals and groups conducting and planning violent attacks on Israelis anywhere." In other words, Abbas and his colleagues have promised to take on Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the rest of the armed terrorist groups.

Obviously, the Palestinians knew this when they signed up for the road map. What they didn't know is that Bush would hold them to it. As the late Udai Hussein observed, in a related context, Bush isn't like Bill Clinton. The president is deadly serious about fighting terrorism, including Palestinian terrorism. And so is Sharon (you could say he isn't Ehud Barak).


http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0803/chafets_2003_08_05.php3

I had thought the road map to peace was a joke but now I see Bush and Sharon are not joking. Good news, I think.

old reb

Tal
08-07-2003, 09:43 AM
[SIZE=3][B] Us jews,had rights to the land of Israel for many years, still do. God gave us land to share, not to fight over. For the past 5 years there have been more than 1000 people killed in cold blood just because they where in the land of Israel. I believe the Israelis should not put settlements in the westbank region. Jews, Arabs, and American should live side by side, and be happy with what they have. It does not matter who has more land or power. Look at USA and Canada, they are bycultural countries, they dont care about what religion is most practiced there all they care about is living their daily lives and having fun. Where in Israel, all that the people care about is to survive another day. I there weren't any wars in the world, no haterid, we would be in much better position and prosperity!!!!

L@mplighterM
08-07-2003, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Tal
[SIZE=3][B] Us jews,had rights to the land of Israel for many years, still do. God gave us land to share, not to fight over. For the past 5 years there have been more than 1000 people killed in cold blood just because they where in the land of Israel. I believe the Israelis should not put settlements in the westbank region. Jews, Arabs, and American should live side by side, and be happy with what they have. It does not matter who has more land or power. Look at USA and Canada, they are bycultural countries, they dont care about what religion is most practiced there all they care about is living their daily lives and having fun. Where in Israel, all that the people care about is to survive another day. I there weren't any wars in the world, no haterid, we would be in much better position and prosperity!!!!

The reality is Arabs/Muslims aren’t absolutely peaceful no matter where they live in the world. I have read interviews conducted in the US where Muslims( 3rd generation)support the killing of Jews in Israel. Sleeper cells of al Queada are distributed throughout Canada and the US.

There’s proof that many Muslims behave relatively well (aside from the fact that they blew up the WTC in ’93 and finished the job in ‘01) when they are in a minority. When they reach a majority all hell breaks loose!

It seems that you think that there should be no settlements in the WB and GS but Arabs should be allowed to live side by side with Jews, Americans, etc everywhere else. That doesn’t make sense to me.

minusthejihad
08-07-2003, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by Tal
[SIZE=3][B] Us jews,had rights to the land of Israel for many years, still do. God gave us land to share, not to fight over. For the past 5 years there have been more than 1000 people killed in cold blood just because they where in the land of Israel. I believe the Israelis should not put settlements in the westbank region. Jews, Arabs, and American should live side by side, and be happy with what they have. It does not matter who has more land or power. Look at USA and Canada, they are bycultural countries, they dont care about what religion is most practiced there all they care about is living their daily lives and having fun. Where in Israel, all that the people care about is to survive another day. I there weren't any wars in the world, no haterid, we would be in much better position and prosperity!!!!

America and Canada DOES NOT EQUAL Israel and Future Palestine and can not be compared as such.

Israel IS multicultural, Future Palestine IS NOT and WILL NOT BE.

Its great that you are an idealist, but let's deal with reality. There are no magic wands and spells that will make wars and hatred go away, but rather education of our future generations. Unfortunately, the latest generations in the territories get educations filled with lies and hatred. So not the way it should be.

frizzer1
08-07-2003, 12:16 PM
Originally posted by Tal
[SIZE=3][B] Us jews,had rights to the land of Israel for many years, still do. God gave us land to share, not to fight over. For the past 5 years there have been more than 1000 people killed in cold blood just because they where in the land of Israel. I believe the Israelis should not put settlements in the westbank region. Jews, Arabs, and American should live side by side, and be happy with what they have. It does not matter who has more land or power. Look at USA and Canada, they are bycultural countries, they dont care about what religion is most practiced there all they care about is living their daily lives and having fun. Where in Israel, all that the people care about is to survive another day. I there weren't any wars in the world, no haterid, we would be in much better position and prosperity!!!!

Not trying to be insulting but I assume that you're a young person full of ideals and hope.
But you have to mix realism with idealism if you want to survive in this world.
I would counsel you if I may, to always maintain your hopes about the end of wars and hatred.If everyone felt like you do we would indeed have a better world in which to live.Perhaps someday we will have that world, but alas not now.

danholo
08-07-2003, 01:11 PM
Well Tal isn't that much younger than me and, although I do think, from this first impression, his ideas are a bit naive, I do think he has great ideals and gladly isn't a racist or discriminate towards anybody which is essential in understanding just about anything.

Da Chuckstar
08-07-2003, 07:07 PM
If you look at the media, all you will hear about is the fence or the Palestinian prisoners. Tearing down the fence and releasing prisoners is not part of the road map. Cracking down on Islamic militant groups is, but that isn't being done.

The way some of these reporters are talking, its like as if Israel is not doing its part for the road map but the Palestinians are. This is false. Its the other way around. I am really starting to wonder why people think so highly of Abbas like as if he is going to do so much of a better job than Arafat. Arafat is pulling his strings.

What also annoys me is this recent uproar about Palestinians not being able to live in Israel by marrying an Israeli-Arab. Its ok for Arabs to come and flock to Israel, but if Jewish people move to the West Bank and Gaza, its illegal. What a load of BS. Bunch of hypocrites.

old-reb
08-08-2003, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by Da Chuckstar
If you look at the media, all you will hear about is the fence or the Palestinian prisoners. Tearing down the fence and releasing prisoners is not part of the road map. Cracking down on Islamic militant groups is, but that isn't being done.

The way some of these reporters are talking, its like as if Israel is not doing its part for the road map but the Palestinians are. This is false. Its the other way around. I am really starting to wonder why people think so highly of Abbas like as if he is going to do so much of a better job than Arafat. Arafat is pulling his strings.


This annoys me when I see the news. The Jews are protrayed as racist who are blocking the peace process. Where is the truth in reporting?

old reb

L@mplighterM
08-08-2003, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by old-reb
This annoys me when I see the news. The Jews are protrayed as racist who are blocking the peace process. Where is the truth in reporting?

old reb

Truth is anything that’s believed!