IAF F-15s to fly over Auschwitz

[danholo]

In your face, Hitler!


Closing a symbolic circle, three IAF F-15s, all piloted by sons and grandsons of Holocaust survivors, will stage a fly past over Auschwitz next month

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[RichardP]

Originally posted by danholo
In your face, Hitler!



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And to the HOLOCAUST deniers, and anti-Semites to boot!! :)

[ben Shimshon]

and in particular into the faces of the millions of Germans who still hate the Jews and wish Hitler was back in power.

[Evgeny]

that ell sure show em, go get those nazi's.

[Salim]

Originally posted by ben Shimshon
and in particular into the faces of the millions of Germans who still hate the Jews and wish Hitler was back in power.

:rolleyes:

[ben Shimshon]

what are you smiling at, don't you have something intelligent to say ?

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by ben Shimshon
what are you smiling at, don't you have something intelligent to say ?

Since when does a German has an intelligent something to say? More over, about the Hitler...

I know that Euro trash sc*m... He claims he is not "anti semetic" he just against the rigt of Jews to protect themselves. He doesn't hate Jews, he only thinks Arabs, killers of Jewish women and children, got legitimate point of view... "two sides to every story" BS... I guss you know as good as I, all the Leftic cr*p waved all over... That German spawn of Natzi parents only cut and paste all that staff.

What else can I say... since WWII till this very day, there is a strong bond among anti semites... Europeans and Arabs alike.

Bush asked again from his Euroean "allies" to stop financing Hammas. Obviously, stopping their support of mass murderers of Jews is against Eurooean intrests... Since Hammas only declared goal is the extarmination of Jews, where does that make of Hammas Euorpean supporters?

Further more: Acknowlaging the evilness of mass murderers of Jews, on racial basis, like the Hammas does, might open a pandora box for the Europeans... It might force them to declare the Natzis as evil... although "There are two side to every story", right?

[RichardP]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh
Since when does a German has an intelligent something to say? More over, about the Hitler...

I know that Euro trash sc*m... He claims he is not "anti semetic" he just against the rigt of Jews to protect themselves. He doesn't hate Jews, he only thinks Arabs, killers of Jewish women and children, got legitimate point of view... "two sides to every story" BS... I guss you know as good as I, all the Leftic cr*p waved all over... That German spawn of Natzi parents only cut and paste all that staff.

What else can I say... since WWII till this very day, there is a strong bond among anti semites... Europeans and Arabs alike.

Bush asked again from his Euroean "allies" to stop financing Hammas. Obviously, stopping their support of mass murderers of Jews is against Eurooean intrests... Since Hammas only declared goal is the extarmination of Jews, where does that make of Hammas Euorpean supporters?

Further more: Acknowlaging the evilness of mass murderers of Jews, on racial basis, like the Hammas does, might open a pandora box for the Europeans... It might force them to declare the Natzis as evil... although "There are two side to every story", right?

I understand your anger towards Euros... I suffer from it as well but don't blow a gasket! True, there are many anti-Semites in Europe, not unlike during the Nazism, it is a fact which one cannot deny. Yet there are many (especially the younger generation) who are confronting the past generations immorality and their partaking in genocide.
I live in a country whose anti-Semitism is subtle, thus in my opinion more dangerous. A nation that prides itself with the diversity of its citizens... but anti-Semitism/Israel is often observed in our educational institutions, government, its agencies and folks on the streets. The danger is in its subtlety, it lurks like a predator hunting its prey... the enemy you can't see and hear. Islamist terrorist we know are the enemy but its the silent and understated ones we must also guard against.

[ben Shimshon]

RichardP,
I now live in Australia, a country that Australians at least believe is tolerant to everyone, yet I can confidently say 'ditto' to your statements. Having also lived in Germany for 10 years I can tell you that nothing has changed since Hitler's days except what is politically correct and incorrect because below the scummy surface, nothing has changed in the attitude of the general population.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by ben Shimshon
RichardP,
I now live in Australia, a country that Australians at least believe is tolerant to everyone, yet I can confidently say 'ditto' to your statements. Having also lived in Germany for 10 years I can tell you that nothing has changed since Hitler's days except what is politically correct and incorrect because below the scummy surface, nothing has changed in the attitude of the general population.

Hi Shimshon, frightening isn't it? It's the way it (subtleties of some anti-Semitic countries) glides just below the suface, and then breaks through and grasps its victim(s). Not unlike a shark looking for take-out.
I haven't been to Europe for some time, so can only go by the media; than G-d, we have access to less bias sources than just the western mainstream outlets.
A friend who has contact with Australians, says it is much the same, subtle.
I recall hearing a Holocaust survivor who had gone back to Munich; she felt as if she had entered a time warp. Attitudes had not changed from the days of Nazism.
When talking with young university students here, I am distressed by their 'revisionist' rhetoric regarding The Holocaust, Israel and Judaism. Many are disciples of Noam Chomsky... who in my opinion is shamed by his own Jewishness. Thanks for the feedback, it is appreciated. It's one of the important paths to knowledge :)

[ben Shimshon]

RichardP,
After not visiting my friends in Germany for many years, we spent a month visiting them last year. I beleive that will be my last visit to Germany, maybe to Europe forever, it reminds of too much misery past and present towards my people. Life is too short to waste time.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by ben Shimshon
RichardP,
After not visiting my friends in Germany for many years, we spent a month visiting them last year. I beleive that will be my last visit to Germany, maybe to Europe forever, it reminds of too much misery past and present towards my people. Life is too short to waste time.

Shimshon, I don't blame you, as the anti-Semitism is on the surface as it was several decades ago. I find France a major concern of mine when it comes to anti-Semitism in Europe. After all, France did not have to be cajoled by the Nazis to deport the Jews during the Final Solution. I find they still possess a Vichy psyche when it comes to Jews and Israel.
Sadly, I feel the same about our government here, as well.
Cheers!

[ben Shimshon]

RichardP,
I just realized that might be able to help me. I'm looking for an old friend who moved from Sydney to Toronto some years ago. His name is Tom T. Pauncz.
If you can locate an address perhaps you can email me on :
dsamson@bigpond.net.au
Thanks.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by ben Shimshon
RichardP,
I just realized that might be able to help me. I'm looking for an old friend who moved from Sydney to Toronto some years ago. His name is Tom T. Pauncz.
If you can locate an address perhaps you can email me on :
dsamson@bigpond.net.au
Thanks.

No problem, Shimshon, I'll get on to it tomorrow, er today! If I can be of any help... anytime!!
Cheers!

[porcupine]

Richard, do you study in University in Toronto? If so which one? :)

[RichardP]

Originally posted by porcupine
Richard, do you study in University in Toronto? If so which one? :)

Hi porcupine, ah to be that age again. No, I'm old and infirm. lol!
But I do attempt to keep the old brain-cells' grids from suffering a blackout! Like we did a week and a bit ago! :D

[Leon]

Originally posted by danholo
In your face, Hitler!



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And while there at it- They should bomb that "funky new age store"which sells fashion souvniers on Aushwitz and the Holocaust in Warsaw.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by Leon
And while there at it- They should bomb that "funky new age store"which sells fashion souvniers on Aushwitz and the Holocaust in Warsaw.

Poland is another story in itself... unreal, it makes you want to puke, Leon! what can one say about these aholes? :mad:

[frizzer1]

Originally posted by RichardP
Poland is another story in itself... unreal, it makes you want to puke, Leon! what can one say about these aholes? :mad:

When I first saw this thread I got a strange feeling in my stomach..can't quite describe it.
But I think I felt pride,anger and a feeling of satisfaction.
And I first thought of Poland....not germany.
It should have shown the polish anti-semites that we're still here, too,not just the germans.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by frizzer1
When I first saw this thread I got a strange feeling in my stomach..can't quite describe it.
But I think I felt pride,anger and a feeling of satisfaction.
And I first thought of Poland....not germany.
It should have shown the polish anti-semites that we're still here, too,not just the germans.

I find Poles are vehemently anti-Semitic to this day. Then again, so is much of Eastern Europe! Hell, so is Western-Europe... Dang, the whole world is tainted by anti-Semitism/Israel! Perhaps, the Poles' and others of the same persuasion, want to return to the poisonous mindset sixty plus years ago. I can't believe it has changed, since before, during or after The Holocaust.








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[alexbmn]

worthless symbolic measure.Israelis are letting IT HAPPEN AGAIN in their own country. Why arent F 15 flying over Gaza?

[RichardP]

Originally posted by alexbmn
worthless symbolic measure.Israelis are letting IT HAPPEN AGAIN in their own country. Why arent F 15 flying over Gaza?

I hope you are wrong, alexbmn, but there are times I feel the same. However, Israel has always and a will always survive... she will overcome all that is thrown at her!

[Evgeny]

The Poles were fighting to save their country to. keep in mind no other people saved more Jews the the Poles. at least have some gratitude.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by Evgeny
The Poles were fighting to save their country to. keep in mind no other people saved more Jews the the Poles. at least have some gratitude.

True, Evgeny, their were the Righteous among the Poles during the Holocaust. No one denies the Poles suffered greatly, and their losses were exorbitant. I also haven’t forgotten the Jews whom were murdered upon their return to their homes, scattered throughout cities, villages: this being after surviving the camps where 6,000, 000 perished during Nazism’s Final Solution.
That said the cloud of anti-Semitism still hangs heavily over the Poles… their past to the present. No one but a fool would deny the Poles their bravery fighting Nazism and Communism. It is estimated they lost 15-20% of their population during the war.
Believe it or not, I have gentile-Pole friends, with whom, I’m in regular contact. But as with most, there is an awkward silence, when mention of the Holocaust and Poland’s accountability. Though none of us know how we would react if placed in that horrific situation.
I hope to visit there one day in the near future, and have no trepidation, as there are righteous people in every nation. Sadly, never enough.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by Evgeny
The Poles were fighting to save their country to. Hardly... many of the "polish" partizans were infact Jewish. Most of the "poles" enlisted to Stalin's red army, were Jewish too...


keep in mind no other people saved more Jews the the Poles. at least have some gratitude. I don't have accurate data undermy hand, but I remember the Iralians to be listed first among Jews saving records.

The vast majority of poles happily collaborated with the Nazis against us Jews.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by Gilgamesh
Hardly... many of the "polish" partizans were infact Jewish. Most of the "poles" enlisted to Stalin's red army, were Jewish too...

I don't have accurate data undermy hand, but I remember the Iralians to be listed first among Jews saving records.

The vast majority of poles happily collaborated with the Nazis against us Jews. [/B]

Gilganesh, so true, Poland is a Roman Catholic State steeped in its anti-Semitic doctrine. The Jews 'fortunate' enough to escape the ghettos and fight Nazism for another day were courageous beyond belief. Not to forget those who remained in the Ghettos and fought to their deaths.
As mentioned, I have never been to Poland but fear it is as steeped in the Church's anti-Semitic dogma today as it was yesterday.
Those that seeked refuge of the forest, feared not only betrayl from the peasants, but also the 'Russian' partisans who also thought nothing of murdering the 'forest Jews'.
Until recently many of their courageous exploits have been more or less unknown. Thankfully, there are some excellent books which show many Jews did not allow themselves to be led their deaths/murders without a fight. A fight which is still going on to this very day... it is time we learned from the brave fighters from the past.

[Mediocrates]

Originally posted by Evgeny
The Poles were fighting to save their country to. keep in mind no other people saved more Jews the the Poles. at least have some gratitude.


That might be the craziest thing I'll hear all year. In Poland the Einsatzgruppen were guided by Polish civilians. They murdered over 90% of the Jews of Poland. I think we should blow up that post, frame it and mount it on the Monument of Stupid.

[RichardP]

Originally posted by Mediocrates
That might be the craziest thing I'll hear all year. In Poland the Einsatzgruppen were guided by Polish civilians. They murdered over 90% of the Jews of Poland. I think we should blow up that post, frame it and mount it on the Monument of Stupid.

I agree mediocrates! The Poles haven't come to terms with their part, as you said, major role in the Holocaust. I think most of that has been mentioned...

[Evgeny]

You have never been to Poland so how would you know how Jews are treated? I bet alot better then Christians in Israel. Brave Polish patriots fought against the Nazi's and Communists in there own ranks. remember The Germans thought of Poles and Slavs as inferior to. More Slavs died in the war then any other ethnicity.

[Mediocrates]

That's wonderful, that may even be true but don't delude yourself in thinking they lifted finger one to help the Jews.

You bet, a lot better? You'd lose that bet. At least if you're talking Polish history from about 1700 forward.

[frizzer1]

Originally posted by Evgeny
You have never been to Poland so how would you know how Jews are treated? I bet alot better then Christians in Israel. .

Better than christians in Israel? That tells me you know nothing about polish anti-semitism.

[Gilgamesh]

Originally posted by frizzer1
Better than christians in Israel? That tells me you know nothing about polish anti-semitism.

Nor does he knows anything about Arab christians living in the PA territories, or the Marons, christian Arabs persecuted by Hizzballa and PLO factions within Lebanon.

As for the life of Christian Arabs under Israeli control: their life is practicaly subject for envy for each and every Arab in the ME. And thats a fact.