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NewsGuy
08-23-2003, 07:28 PM
An original IsraelForum.com article. Please feel free to copy and republish:

Game Over for Peace Plan B
August 23, 2003
By Michael Rand

(IsraelForum.com) -- The latest bomb set off by Islamic Palestinian terrorists shattered more than just the lives of hundreds of innocent Israelis -- it exploded the cornerstone of American foreign policy in the Middle East. After the so-called Road Map for Peace was quietly replaced by a Plan B in which the Palestinians were no longer required to fight terrorism, it is now undeniable that this Plan B, too, has failed. So is there a Plan C in the works?

The road map for peace, concocted by the hypocritical UN, the anti-Semitic EU, a Arab-bought Russia, and an over-optimistic U.S,. was doomed from the start. The basis of the road map was to force Israel to make extreme land concessions and create a Palestinian state within 2 years. While the road map set forth the obligations of both the Palestinians and the Israelis, it lacked any enforcement of failures to uphold the parties' obligations.

For example, the first provision of the road map requires the Palestinians to dismantle their terrorist organizations. Israel, for its part, was to hand over territory to Palestinian control. While Israel proceeded to return several cities to Palestinian control, the newly appointed Palestinian Prime Minister Abu Mazen and his Defense Minister Muhammad Dahlan both practically laughed at the notion of fighting terrorism.

In fact, both Palestinian leaders publicly stated that they would never dismantle their terrorist organizations, because these groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad are enormously popular national institutions in Palestinian society. Any attempt to stop these mass murder gangs would produce a civil war among the Palestinian population, which mostly favors terrorism and extermination of the Jews. And so, a new plan B was hatched, excusing the Palestinians from fulfilling their obligations under the road map.

Terrorist Delight

Under this new plan the Palestinians, instead of dismantling the terrorist organizations, entered into a treaty with them, known by its traditional Islamic name of "hudna." Under this treaty, the terrorist groups were allowed to boost production in their local Kassam missile factories and increase their illegal weapons arsenal, including suicide bomber explosive belts, RPGs, anti-tank missiles, and much more.

For groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad, this was a golden age of sorts. In addition to intensive armament, they were able to provide some much needed rest and relaxation to their operatives, who were given a reprieve from being hunted by Israeli anti-terrorism forces. Still, all this did not stop Palestinian terrorists from attacking Israelis each and every day since the road map for peace began to be implemented.

Hamas continued to send snipers to shoot at innocent Israeli motorists, kidnapped Israelis and murdered them, planted roadside bombs and dispatched suicide bombers. When Israeli finally eliminated a Hamas leader responsible for dispatching suicide bombers, the group then claimed that the "hudna" cease-fire was over, and sent a suicide bomber to attack an Israeli bus in Jerusalem, which was carrying Jewish families to and from prayer sessions. The attack resulted in more than 20 deaths and more than 100 wounded, among whom many infants and young children.

U.S. Acquiescence

The most important and noteworthy aspect of Plan B was that was not Plan A, i.e., the original road map for peace. This Plan B involved a treaty between Hamas, Islamic Jihad, al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and the Palestinian Authority, and it had no relation to the road map and its provisions. Still, the U.S. acquiesced to the new Plan B and forced Israel to buy into it, as well. No longer were the Palestinians required to dismantle their terrorist groups, and furthermore, the terrorists gained a position in the plan, legitimizing them to a great extent.

But the Jerusalem bus bombing put an end to Plan B. The gruesome attack demonstrated that dealing with the Islamic mass murder gangs was futile. Their original goal of massacring each and every Jew in Israel and establishing an Islamic dictatorship remains unchanged. Their Jihad against non-Muslims continues in full swing. So much so, that Bush's strong endorsement of Abu Mazen and his personal involvement in the Middle East peace process started to became a liability for the president.

Indeed, for the Bush administration, the failure of the road map for peace is compounded by the mounting losses to American troops elsewhere in the Middle East, in places that have by now become familiar to the American voter, like in Baghdad and Mosul.

The Presidential Election Gauntlet

With the road map for peace failing, and acquiescing to Plan B an embarrassment, will the Bush administration try to formulate Plan C? I think not.

Even Colin Powell, an advocate of capitulation to terror-sponsoring Arab dictatorships like Saudi Arabia, cannot continue to allow the Palestinian Authority to avoid dismantling its terrorist infrastructure. My reason is simple: A rising body count in Israel, with credit taken by groups like Hamas which are sponsored by American ally Saudi Arabia, does not bode well for the President's reelection campaign. Especially when daily reports of American casualties combine to send Americans a message (whether accurate or not) that Bush's Middle East policy is failing.

The President and the Republican party cannot afford this type of double failure in centerpiece of their foreign policy. Therefore, Bush will need to either fully back the forcible dismantling of the Palestinian terrorist groups so the road map for peace can get back on track, or the President will need to withdraw from the Israeli-Palestinian issue altogether. I believe that Bush will make his choice in the coming month or two, to allow enough time for his press secretary to spin the new policy before kicking off the 2004 election campaign.

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Am I right? What do you think?

ibrodsky
08-23-2003, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by NewsGuy

Am I right? What do you think?

You are absolutely correct.

Hopefully, even a politician motivated solely by the desire to be reelected will realize that the threat to Civilization posed by Islamist barbarism is more than just a game.

The parallels between the current situation and the rise of Nazism more than 70 years ago are unmistakable. To treat the Arab world's excuses for terrorism as worthy of discussion is no different than treating Hitler's complaints against Czechloslovakia and Poland as legitimate.

Hamas has called President Bush the greatest threat to Islam because he froze a few bank accounts. Of course, this was a major slip up: that comment was intended for an exclusively Arab audience. Meanwhile, the PA and its terrorist United Front has resumed the "cease fire" charade. The sight of western diplomats trying to "get the peace process back on track" must provide hours of comic relief to these mass murderers.

It's hard to say where US policy is heading right now. I doubt President Bush has forgotten that the Palestinians always supported Saddam Hussein. Surely he is aware that the PA has played him for a fool by creating a puppet gov't under Arafat. And with five Americans killed in the last Palestinian jihad-genocide operation, and Hamas now openly inciting violence against America, it's as if they are daring him to support an Israeli offensive.

It's too bad President Bush merely appointed Daniel Pipes to the Institute for Peace. He really should appoint him Special Advisor in the War Against Islamism. Perhaps if he is reelected he can start to think more about the country than just his career.

L@mplighterM
08-23-2003, 09:10 PM
I think that Powell will continue to push Plan B and I’m half expecting Bush to demand that the Roadmap to Peace continues, for the time being.

The Arab/Muslim world is watching the poll results and sees that Bush’s popularity is dropping due to his administrations inability to establish peace in Iraq. It seems to me that the latest bus bombing in Israel and the bombing of the UN building in Iraq was a coordinated attack between Islamic terrorist groups, it’s clear to me that they work together. The Islamic fundamentalists know full well that if they continue their attacks the popularity of Bush will plummet to the point where he couldn’t even be elected as a dogcatcher.

There’s only one way that Bush can regain his popularity by expanding the war against terrorist organizations and the countries that shelter them. If Bush is paying attention to the polls he’ll abandon the Roadmap a few months from now, because it should be obvious to him that it could cause his election defeat.

Iraq remains a major problem for Bush and by now he realizes that he can’t tackle that problem by himself, so he’ll most likely beg for help from the UN. If the UN is willing to send several hundred thousand peacekeepers into Iraq, he’ll most likely abandon any thinking related to expanding the war against terrorism. It’s unlikely that the UN will approve sending troops into Iraq because the climate is too volatile there at the moment and I can’t envision a calming in the near future, if ever.

I would say that Bush’s only hope of becoming a two term President lies in expanding the war against terrorism in a big way and that’ll happen sometimes in mid 2004. It seems to me that it wont be until June-July next year (2004) before Israel is given the Green Light from the US to tackle the various terrorist groups full force.

Of course this could all change if the Islamic terrorists manage to pull off a major attack in the US.

L@mplighterM
08-24-2003, 02:39 PM
Sunday, August 24, 2003


To achieve peace, all-out war on terrorism is only path in Middle East


By Nolan Finley / The Detroit News


With the blood of its children running through the streets of Jerusalem, Israel has no choice but to crumple the road map to peace and instead draft a battle plan for combatting terrorism.

Any hope for a political solution to the violence in the Middle East vanished in the bus bombing Tuesday, which killed 20 and maimed scores of others, many of them children.

Television cameras showed the surviving youngsters, screaming and blood-smeared, stumbling away from the horrific carnage.

Terrorist groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad competed for credit. There's only one way to deal with those who find glory in slaughtering children: Kill them. The bomber's wife said her husband died fulfilling his dream of martyrdom. The man had two kids of his own, and yet his life's dream was to die killing other people's children.

You can't negotiate with that level of ignorance, hatred and religious insanity.

Yet Israel, at the insistence of the United States, has come to the bargaining table. It has offered extraordinary concessions in the name of peace and taken good faith steps, including dismantling settlements and pulling back troops.

But the peace process has failed again, for the same reason it always fails. The Palestinians are wed to terrorism, and real peace can not be bargained with a terrorist state.

So Israel has no choice but to seek a military solution, to roll its tanks again across the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Palestinians blame their violence on Israel's oppression and brutality. But the truth is that Israel has not been brutal enough in the face of terror. Its answer is surgical strikes, targeted assassinations and a catch-and-release prisoner policy.

Meanwhile, terrorist chieftain Yasser Arafat sits unmolested in Ramallah, and the leaders of the terrorist networks hold press conferences and rally crowds in village streets.

Always, Israel's fist is restrained by the United States.

But to end the violence, Israel must strike with terrible force. To be blunt, the Palestinians must be brought to their knees, made to feel the pain of allowing terrorists to act in their name.

The path taken in President George W. Bush's road map to peace did just the opposite. It started the Palestinians toward statehood without forcing them to unstrap their bombs.

Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas, Arafat's puppet, says he risks civil war by disarming the terrorists. He must be warned that war is coming for certain if he doesn't.

In past Middle East wars, Israel was reined in before it could achieve its final objectives. The conditions are different today. Egypt is a mess. Iraq is gone. Jordan and Saudi Arabia are in America's pocket. And there's no Soviet Union to pressure the United States to intervene.

So Israel has a golden opportunity to launch its own version of a shock and awe campaign. It can drive the terrorists out of the territories, eliminate the threat from the Syrian-hosted Hezbollah along the Lebanon border and, if Iran chooses to join the fight, good -- another problem checked off the list.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has played Washington's game. He's reached across the table, spoken words of conciliation, restrained his fury in the face of horrible provocation.

It's time to let Sharon be Sharon. He's a warrior. And bringing peace to the Middle East is now a warrior's job.

http://www.detnews.com/2003/editorial/0308/24/a11-252023.htm

ibrodsky
08-24-2003, 06:32 PM
Originally posted by L@mplighterM
[Nolan Finley wrote:]
...Terrorist groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad competed for credit. There's only one way to deal with those who find glory in slaughtering children: Kill them. The bomber's wife said her husband died fulfilling his dream of martyrdom. The man had two kids of his own, and yet his life's dream was to die killing other people's children...


It's heartening to see a writer for a newspaper in middle America recognizes the profound evil that pervades Palestinian society.

For too long, we have heard about a "cycle of violence between extremists" and how the poor Palestinians must massacre civilians because they don't have tanks or jet fighters.

I'm sure not all Palestinians are evil. But I'm equally certain that their leaders are. It is time for civilized people everywhere to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the Israeli people against these evil child murderers. It's time to demand that Israel respond with sufficient force to wipe the Palestinian terrorists off the face of the earth. It's time to bring Arafat, Rantisi, and the other child killers to justice.

L@mplighterM
08-24-2003, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by ibrodsky
It's heartening to see a writer for a newspaper in middle America recognizes the profound evil that pervades Palestinian society.



Public opinion is shifting a little bit or at least it seems like it to me, I’ve come across three similar articles in the past week or two. Israel’s star might be rising at least I think so. This writer had an excellent summation of the situation in the ME.

L@mplighterM
08-25-2003, 01:12 PM
Last Update: 25/08/2003 22:48

Rice: Israel must fulfill its responsibilities for peace

By Reuters



SAN ANTONIO, Texas - The Bush administration vowed
on Monday to see through a U.S.-backed peace plan
despite Israeli-Palestinian violence and called on
Israel to meet its responsibilities to help bring
about a "peaceful change."




President George W. Bush
"remains committed to the
course that he laid out ...
because it is the only course
that will bring durable peace
and security," U.S. national
security adviser Condoleezza
Rice said of the peace plan
known as the road map.


Rice, speaking to veterans in San Antonio, said
progress was being made and played down the
fallout from last week's suicide bus bombing
and Israel's response.

"Despite the horrific events of recent days, we
have seen progress towards peace for Israelis
and Palestinians," Rice said. "The terrorists
will not succeed."

Rice said Israeli leaders "increasingly
understand that it is in Israel's interest for
Palestinians to govern themselves in a state
that is viable and peaceful and democratic and
committed to fighting terror."

"Israel has to fulfill its responsibilities to
help that peaceful change take place," she
said.

Rice credited Palestinian leaders for coming out
against terrorism.

"A new Palestinian leadership is emerging ...
that understands and says, in both Arabic and
English, that terror is not a means to
Palestinian statehood but rather the greatest
obstacle to statehood," she said.

"Terrorist networks must be dismantled," she
said, but added: "Transforming the Middle East
... will require a commitment of many years."

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/333151.html


Let Powell, Rice and Bush head down there and dismantle the terror networks.

Shogun-Trader
08-27-2003, 07:39 AM
Or plan C?

Involve the Europeans, establish a peace keeping force and wash their hands from the middle east?

International peace keeping force will be able to stop Israel from fighting terrorism, but will not be able to stop the terrorism.

It may be enough for Bush though, because he will be "working with the international community", which could help him get re-elected.

Either plan, Israel is being sacrificed for the good of others.

L@mplighterM
08-27-2003, 12:20 PM
Last Update: 27/08/2003 22:34

Vote of confidence in Abbas government set for Monday

By Arnon Regular, Haaretz Correspondent, Haaretz Service and Agencies



Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas has called
a meeting of the Palestinian Legislative Council
next Monday, during which the body hold a vote of
confidence in his government.




During a meeting of the
Palestinian cabinet ministers
Wednesday afternoon in the Gaza
Strip, Abbas officially asked
the speaker of the PLC Ahmed
Qureia (Abu Ala) to summon the
parliamentary vote.

The meeting also issued a
declaration of support for the

Palestinian security forces actions against the
Hamas and Islamic Jihad militant groups.
Several days ago, the PA announced that it was
cracking down on militants, making a number of
arrests and sealing off a few tunnels used to
smuggle weapons and drugs into the Gaza Strip
from Egypt.

Abbas was scheduled to meet with the heads of
the Palestinian militant groups in the Gaza
Strip later in the day, but it was unclear
whether Hamas and Islamic Jihad leaders would
attend.

Mofaz nixes Peace Coalition-Dahlan meet
Meanwhile, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz decided
Wednesday not to give permission for a meeting
scheduled for Thursday between the leaders of
the "Peace Coalition" and Palestinian Authority
Security Affairs Minister Mohammed Dahlan.

The meeting, which was to have taken place at
the Erez crossing between Israel and the Gaza
Strip, was to have been an opportunity for the
two sides to exchange viewpoints and discuss
the peace process.

No reason was given for the decision, Army Radio
reported, quoting Defense Ministry sources as
saying there was no opposition to the meeting
taking place, but that such an encounter should
not be held at a military installation.

Among those scheduled to have taken part were
MKs Colette Avital (Labor), MK Ophir Pines-Paz
(Labor), Avshalom Vilan (Meretz), and Ilan
Leibowitz (Shinui), as well as former Knesset
members Yossi Beilin, Musi Raz, and the
secretary general of Peace Now, Yariv
Oppenheimer.

In response, Raz and Oppenheimer said that
Mofaz's decision was "a serious infringement on
basic democratic rights of Knesset members and
public figures."

The two classified the cancellation of the
meeting as "extremely unreasonable," and
threatened to petition the High Court of
Justice if the decision is not reversed within
48 hours.

Arafat urges resumption of truce
Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat
called on all militant groups Wednesday to
reinstate a cease-fire they formally broke off
last week after Israel's assassination of Hamas
leader Ismail Abu Shanab.

"President Yasser Arafat calls upon all the
Palestinian factions to reiterate their
commitment to the truce to give a chance to
international peace efforts to implement the
road map which the Israeli government refuses
to abide by," Arafat said in a statement issued
by his office.

Earlier, Arafat said he was ready to take action
against militant groups if Israel halted
missile strikes and other attacks on them.

"I am prepared to implement the law [against
militants] on condition Israel stops its
attacks," Arafat said in an interview with
Reuters, without elaborating on steps he would
take.

But he said he would not risk a Palestinian
civil war, referring to fears cited by Prime
Minister Mahmoud Abbas in his hesitation to
crack down on militant groups before Israel
halts raids and pulls back forces in occupied
territory.

Arafat spoke after Israel botched a missile
strike on Hamas gunmen in Gaza on Tuesday night
and killed a bystander instead.

Israel discounted Arafat's call as "propaganda"
and said it would continue targeting militants
until the Palestinian Authority dismantles
their organizations.

"We have no choice but to act with severity
against the terrorist infrastructure... As long
as [Palestinians] don't dismantle the terrorist
infrastructure, there will not be a
continuation of this process," Defense Minister
Shaul Mofaz told Israel Radio.

Arafat said he had ordered the arrests of Hamas
and other militant leaders earlier in a
35-month-old uprising against Israeli
occupation and that he would do so again, but
not if it risked a popular backlash while
Israel kept up attacks.

He added that he wanted to embrace the
U.S.-backed road map and called on Washington
to rein in Israel.

"Isn't the road map binding on Israel too? We
were in control many times including our
success in reaching a cease-fire but it was
violated many times in a persistent and rude
manner by most Israeli political and military
leaders," he said.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/333863.html

No comment other than Bush and the EU will most likely buy his rhetoric.

wellofvow
08-31-2003, 06:22 AM
Hello all. Just a brief note (as opposed to my usual polemics).

#1 Take everything from HaAretz newspaper with a ton of salt. It is rabidly Left-wing, Palestinian-apologist. It is the LEAST-READ daily newspaper in Israel.

#2 IMO, and to my sad surprise after his initial showing, President Bush appears to be following in his father's footsteps and listening to really poor advice. I should not have been surprised, though, since he co-opted the same idiot advisors who made sure that Bush Sr. was not reelected for a second term. Powell was a HUGE mistake as Secretary of State after he completely blew Iraq back in 1991 when "only" head of Joint Chiefs of Staff. I don't know where a smart lady like Condoleeza is coming from. I guess she's just worried about keeping her rice bowl full. (sorry, I couldn't resist)