There Is Only A Military Solution

[abu afak]

(this guy must have read Medio's post to me on the 'Greater Israel' thread)..

There Is Only A Military Solution

by Ariel Natan Pasko - September 10, 2003

One only has to look as far east as Iraq, to see that force of arms can change a regime and impose a solution.

The Problem: One nation, spiritually and historically attached to its ancient homeland, is being constantly attacked militarily, both directly and through terrorist actions against its civilian population, from the adjoining contiguous territory - there are no natural borders - which is also part of its ancient homeland, now occupied by an enemy population who has invaded it over time.

The Military Solution, which can be imposed, offers several choices.

1. Declare a total, all-out war against the enemy, hit all targets, military, political, economic, and destroy their infrastructure. Maximize enemy casualties - including civilian - with the express purpose of reducing the enemy population drastically and facilitating the elimination of it from your homeland. Guarantee peace by eliminating the enemy's ability to wage war, and greatly reducing the enemies will to wage war. Reunite your ancient homeland under your exclusive control, declare victory, peace, and praise G-d.

2. Declare a total, all-out war against the enemy's military, hit all targets, including their political and military command-and-control centers, and military leaders’ residences. Eliminate enemy military actions against your population and facilitate the evacuation of the enemy’s occupying population from your homeland. Reunite your ancient homeland under your exclusive control, declare victory, peace, and praise G-d.

3. Declare a total, all-out war against the enemy's leadership. Eliminate them wherever they can be found. Destroy the enemy's military infrastructure and reduce the occupying enemy to a servile population. Facilitate the evacuation of most of the enemy population and incorporate the rest into your population. Reunite your ancient homeland under your exclusive control, declare victory, peace, and praise G-d.

If you stop and think for a moment, there are those who are attempting to implement a combination of these choices, as we speak. No, not Kahanist elements, the Jewish settler movement, and the far-right fringe in Israel; but Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah - such as their Tanzim and al-Aqsa Brigades - and others. They see a military solution to the conflict. Just listen to what Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi recently said, "We will continue with our holy war and resistance until every last criminal Zionist is evicted from this land. By G-d, we will not leave one Jew alive in Palestine. We will fight them with all the strength we have. This is our land, not the Jews."

And they're working to implement their vision. Their suicide murderers roam around looking for more victims. Jerusalem: August 19th, 22 people murdered, including seven children, and over 130 were injured, including 40 children, in a bus bombing, returning from evening prayers at the Western Wall of the Temple Mount...."

".....If you think that these are just extremist elements in Palestinian society, think again. According to a May 2003 Pew Global Attitudes Project opinion poll, 80% of Palestinians agreed with the statement: "The rights and needs of the Palestinian people cannot be taken care of as long as the State of Israel exists." They clearly want to destroy the Jewish state.

This is most clearly reflected in the attitudes of Palestinians regarding the so-called refugee problem. On the Official Palestinian Authority website, they posted the results of a Poll from May 2003, conducted by Human Rights International Solidarity Institute (HRISI) about the Palestinian refugee 'right of return', surveying Arabs in northern 'refugee camps' in the West Bank, 84% of respondents expressed their hope to return to their homes in pre-1967 Israel. In regard to the proposal to live in the Jewish settlements instead of returning to their homes that they left in 1948, 87% of the respondents opposed this solution. So one can clearly see a desire to establish an independent Palestinian State in Judea and Samaria - the West Bank - and flood Israel with refugees, creating a bi-national state. How long will it take for irredentists to begin fighting the then-Jewish-minority in Israel, agitating to merge with Palestine, and effectively killing the State of Israel?

And killing Jews, Israelis, and the State of Israel isn't just for Rantisi or Hamas. Monthly public opinion polls by the Jerusalem Media & Communication Centre, from December 2002 to April 2003, have consistently shown that around 75% of Palestinians, "strongly or somewhat support the continuation of the al-Aqsa Intifada," meaning "continued military operations inside Israel and/or inside the 'occupied' territories." When asked in April 2003 about suicide bombing operations against Israeli civilians, 59.9% of Palestinians, "strongly or somewhat support them." Support for suicide bombings has consistently been between the high 50s and 80% for several years now.

In a poll carried out between August 21-28, 2003 for Yasser Arafat's Gaza-based "Office of Palestinian Information" - of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip - they found that 60.2% continue to support attacks on Jews and 88.8% oppose the detention of members of Hamas and Islamic Jihad by the Palestinian Authority. Besides the fact that the above results do not correspond with the commonly held working assumptions of the Bush and Sharon Administrations, that the Palestinian public actually opposes terror and would support Palestinian compliance with the Roadmap, the poll found that 56% believe attacks serve Palestinian national interests and 79.7% oppose the PA's decision to freeze contacts with Hamas and Islamic Jihad. A clear majority wants to continue warfare against Israeli soldiers and civilians, including suicide bombings. This certainly isn't just a fanatical fringe, but Palestinian society's wishes. They are an enemy to the Jewish People. They are in an all-out war until the end.

What we see from all this is that not only the "military" - i.e. terror - organizations, but the rank and file on the Palestinian street desire a military victory, the collapse of the Jewish state -Israel - and its replacement with an Arab state - Palestine - from the "river to the sea". If the Palestinian Authority ever agrees to a negotiated settlement bringing an end to the conflict, it is far from clear that Palestinian society will accept it. A more likely prognosis would be continued warfare, a possible take-over by Hamas and others of the PA, and continued terror, with the goal of Israel's destruction.

So, how does a state defend its citizens under such circumstances?

For a long time now we've been hearing the mind-numbing mantra of the Left, "There is no military solution to the conflict," with its let's-throw-our-hands-up-and-surrender-already corollary, "There is only a political solution." But one must understand, there can only be a political solution to a conflict if the parties involved want to accept a political solution. If one side insists on total and absolute victory, even to the point of exterminating its enemy, and the other side pursues a political solution, then you have a prescription for disaster ...""

http://www.christianactionforisrael.org/isreport/septoct03/military.html

[abu afak]

David Frum's Diary:

SEP. 12, 2003: WAR AND PEACE
Here’s a question: Why is there still a Palestinian Authority?

The Authority was created by the 1993 Israeli-Palestinian peace deal: The deal provided that the Palestinians would abjure violence and in return the Israelis would withdraw in stages from the West Bank and Gaza.

The Palestinians never honored their end of the deal. Arafat experimented with violence repeatedly through the 1990s; then, in September 2000, he abrogated his commitments altogether and launched the current terror war.

Why did Arafat choose war three years ago? We may never know the real answer to that question: some combination of miscalculation, ego, inter-Palestinian politics, and his own implacable hatred of Israel.

Whatever the motive, the war fully and finally voided the 1993 agreement. The Palestinians surrendered the benefits of peace and gambled everything on a war of atrocities. They lost and lost again – and yet at every turn, the world community and even the United States has pressed Israel to restore to them everything they possessed in September 2000 and more besides.

And so, as the Palestinians keep attacking Israeli civilians and schoolchildren, the world community keeps pretending that this Palestinian war of aggression does not exist. What is occurring in the Mideast, we are urged to believe, is not a war but a “peace process” interrupted by bomb attacks carried out by fringe groups. Arafat and the Palestinian Authority (or so we are again urged to believe) are merely bystanders.

Nobody believes this interpretation of events; and yet many, including even the US State Department, feel obliged to continue repeating them. And so they disguise from themselves – and constrain Israel too to ignore – the only possible answer to the Palestinian terror campaign: Arafat and the Palestinians have chosen war. They must therefore have war until they are sick of it, war until they decide that even a disappointing (from their point of view) peace with Israel is better than one more day of fighting. Three years of advice to Israel to show restraint, to use less than its full power against its murderous enemy, has not restored the laughably misnamed “peace process.” Restraint has prolonged and exacerbated the war, at terrible cost to both sides.

Has it occurred to anyone that the reason that the Middle East is so unstable – the reason that the Arabs keeping warring and warring and warring again on Israel – is that we have taught them to think of war as a one-way option? If they win, they keep their winnings – if they lose, the West will restore their losses?

It’s a cliché that war settles nothing. In fact, generally it is only war that ever settles international disputes. The Palestinians gambled everything on this war. They lost their gamble. Now it is time for them to be cashed out. Israel should invade the West Bank and Gaza, extinguish all Palestinian political authority, round up and detain as many Palestinian leaders as it can catch, put them on trial for war crimes, and reassert its pre-1993 status as the occupying power in all of the West Bank and Gaza. Independence for a Palestinian state should come as a concession from the conquerer. The “peace of the brave” that Arafat spoke of in 1993 is available only to the brave, not to the murderers of schoolchildren and bus passengers. Now is the time for the peace of the just, which begins with the defeat and punishment of the unjust, from Arafat on down.

http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/diary091203.asp

[humus_sapiens]

J'accuse (by David Shalom, Sep 14, '03 / 17 Elul 5763)

http://www.arutzsheva.com/article.php3?id=2740

As the dust settled, as the funeral preparations began, as the people of Israel began to bury the dead from the latest double murderous homicide bombings in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, the time has come for Sharon to go. He has failed. The Palestinian Arabs have declared war on Israel, but the government has failed to respond and fulfil her first and most basic duty to protect the lives of her citizens.

Ever since the murder of 21 Israeli children at the Dolphinarium Disco in Tel Aviv on June 21 2001, it was abundantly clear that the only course of action Israel had to take was to declare total war on the PLO and dismantle the PA. Each and every of the PA institutions, "ministries", "security forces" and infrastructures should have been targeted. Each and every leader of the PA should have been eliminated or captured, from arch-terrorist Arafat to Abu-Mazen, down to the last murderous official of the world's largest terrorist organisation. Every town, village and hamlet of Judea Samaria and Gaza should have been restored to Israeli sovereignty. The government should have declared the Oslo accords, which have caused so much death and destruction and which imported the murderous PLO gang from Tunis to the shores of Eretz Yisrael, dead and buried.

The government chose instead to use very limited force and to follow a course of restraint in the face of unremitting attacks on Israelis throughout the land. Sharon made excuse after excuse. First, he told the nation that "restraint is also strength". Perhaps, but stupidity, criminal negligence, weakness in the face of attack and defeatism are not. Terrorist attacks continued daily and Israel remained silent. The blood flowed on the streets of Israel and Sharon continued to sit with Peres and the Oslo Gang in the government, continued his policy of "restraint" and the Arabs did what they did best - murder.

On the night of March 27, 2002, an Arab Terrorist sent by the PLO's own Fatah wing, massacred 30 Israelis, mostly pensioners, in Netanya. The government, finally, so we thought, would do what was necessary. Indeed, the onset of Operation Defensive Shield misled some into believing that finally the government was about to take the necessary action. The illusion did not last long. The government caved into American pressure and showed its true invertebrate nature. It sacrificed the lives of our soldiers in Jenin (by refusing to bomb the terrorist base form the air) lest a hair on the head of an enemy civilian be hurt. As if the enemy civilians are not complicit in the war against us, as if the "international community" (I doubt the existence of such a body) would thank us. Indeed the blood libel against the Jewish people for the non-massacre in Jenin resonates through Europe and the West to this day (perhaps only surpassed by the blood libel of Jews using Christian children's blood for Passover matzoth, or maybe even the Sabra and Shatilla blood libel, whose existence perhaps prevents Sharon from being able to do his job properly and fight the enemy).

The army was stopped from completing its mission, the IDF at the gates of the Mukata, withdrew and retreated, the leader of the enemy, the head of the snake, was left alive and well. Indeed, arch-murderer Arafat was allowed to regroup and to rebuild himself and to continue his war against Israel. Since then, atrocity after atrocity has been committed, hundreds have been murdered, thousands injured and the obvious conclusion - a declaration of total war - has not been reached.

Elections came and the Left was trounced, but still they remain in power, if not office. The supremely undemocratic Supreme Court continued and continues to dictate to the nation, continues to connive with our enemies, continues to undermine the very foundation of democracy and the state. The media remains in the hands of the Leftist oligarchy, as does most of the civil service.

But worst of all, Sharon continues in the direction of the failed Left and resuscitated the failed "Land-for-worthless-agreements-and-promises" policy of Oslo in its "new" form - the Roadmap. This has given official sanction to the creation of a second Arab state in Eretz Yisrael, this have given legitimacy to the terrorists and has allowed the PA to become an acceptable "government" in the eyes of the world. The farce of Oslo has continued, and the government calls on the PA, the very source of the violence, "to crack down on the terrorists", as if they are not the terrorists themselves!

Abu Mazen was treated as a partner, an equal, a "prime minister" by Sharon; whereas, Arafat was supposedly now "irrelevant". But who appointed Abu Mazen? Arafat himself, of course! Who is Abu Mazen - a moderate? Of course not! Abu Mazen is Arafat's crony, a terrorist, a Nazi sympathiser, who denies the Holocaust, who was complicit in the murder of scores of Jews. But even Abu Mazen was not good enough for the savages.

Sharon continued his restraint, even in the face of more and more carnage. Even during the undeclared, temporary hudna (a ceasefire called in order to allow the Arabs to regroup and rearm), there was no single day of quiet. The Arabs upped the ante, but Sharon remained firm in his weakness, he wanted to "give Abu Mazen a chance", as if the thousands of chances, the hundreds of murders, were acceptable. Not a day went past without a drive-by shooting, or an attempted homicide bomb or a missile attack. Kassam missiles reached Ashkelon, but Sharon limited his response to a pinpoint attack on a few Hamas leaders, as if Israel was acting as a policeman chasing after a few criminals, and not a nation at war whose very existence was under threat.

J'accuse Ariel Sharon, for failing in his basic duty, for collapsing in the face of US pressure, for allowing the enemy to out-manipulate him, for allowing Israel's deterrent power to erode to new lows and for betraying his voters and the very platform of his own party. It is time to remember that Israel is a parliamentary democracy and that the nation voted for the “national camp” and not for one man. It is time for a change of leadership from within the national camp. It is time to put an end to the Arab enemy, to the Left's grip on power, and to act with the minimum dignity of a sovereign nation and strive for victory.

In no case this is blaming the victim. Unfortunately, Israel is yet to demonstrate her seriousness and will to survive, both to her friends (to encourage their support) as well as to her enemies (to discourage). Start "confidence building" gestures by destroying the corrupt PA.

[localbrew]

One nation, spiritually and historically attached to its ancient homeland,

Isn't that exactly what the Arabs say?

[humus_sapiens]

Originally posted by localbrew
Isn't that exactly what the Arabs say?

The Arabs are "attached" to Judea exactly because it is Jewish National Homeland. BTW, they want Jerusalem as their capital for the same reason. So far, they cannot pronounce "Palestine" better than "Fallosteen".

Wait a little, and they will claim France, Belgium and Spain as their ancient homeland, too.

[abu afak]

The Real Debate Begins
Israel gets serious. U.S. will soon.
Sepy 17, 2003

By Barbara Lerner


Ten years after Oslo, the real debate in Israel has finally begun, and it's not between the two sides described in the U.S. media: Those who want to expel Arafat, and those who want to kill him. The real debate is between Israelis who still believe that getting rid of Arafat will make peace possible — as the Jerusalem Post argued when it called for killing him in its now-famous editorial of September 10 — and the growing majority of Israelis who say what Michael Freund, Bibi Netanyahu's old communications man said in an op-ed in the same paper on the same day:

...our leaders still don't get it. They now talk about expelling Arafat but leaving the Palestinian Authority in place, as though installing a new Godfather will make the Mafia less of a criminal organization. They still don't realize that the problem is not just Arafat or Abu Mazen or Abu Whoever; it is the existence of the Palestinian Authority itself, which is little more than a hothouse for terror, corruption and bloodshed.

Freund and a minority of others in Israel and America understood these facts all along, because Palestinian leaders made it plain all along, in Arabic: There are no Palestinian leaders who want peace. There never were. Oslo was a sucker's game from the start, a tactic in what Israeli scholar Joel Fishman calls a Viet Cong style "People's War," and the Palestinian Authority is what it has always been: A terrorist organization at war with Israel and the West, willing to settle for nothing less than total victory, starting with Israel's total destruction. Thus, it's not just Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, and al Qaeda that must be destroyed for Israel to survive and for America to win the broader war on terror: It's the PA itself, and with it, the ultimate Israeli & American Left-lemmings fantasy, the idea that a Palestinian state would ever be anything other than a terror state. ....

.... after returning from India with Sharon in the wake of the two horrendous suicide bombings of September 9, Dan wrote: "...in India, the State of Palestine was buried." The latest wave of Palestinian terror has convinced the prime minister that: "the Palestinian leadership will not get to see a Palestinian state — at least not in this generation. The chance that they were given has expired." The PA "must disappear from the map."

In America, the debate is similar, but at an earlier stage. Our equivalent of Israel's Labor party — the Dean Democrats — haven't yet been reduced to a fringe party, polling less than 20 percent in the last election as the Laborites did, but if President Bush continues to lead as boldly as he has heretofore, they soon will be. The geographically challenged Dr. Dean argues that it was a great mistake for America to liberate Iraq: ....

[....]

As for the Iraqi people, we finally have some solid data on their opinions from the first nationally representative sample ever polled there, thanks to American Enterprise's Karl Zinsmeister and Zogby International. The Z-team interviewed Iraqis in four cities in August: Shiite dominated Basra in the south, Kurdish dominated Kirkuk in the north, Sunni dominated Ramadi in the Baathist resistance triangle, and mixed-bag Mosul in the far north. They found that those obstinate Iraqis simply refuse to conform to the trendy, politically correct stereotypes about authentic native world views that Dean and company are peddling. Iraqis have not been driven to despair and terrorism by war and occupation — 70 percent express optimism about the future — and, except in the Sunni triangle, lopsided majorities express negative or very negative views of Osama bin Laden. Sixty percent of Iraqis don't want an Islamic government of any stripe, a percentage that rises to 66 percent among the allegedly fanatic Shiite majority. Best of all, most Iraqis don't hate us and want us out, post haste. Some think we should leave after another six months, but many more think we should stay for a year or longer. Iraqis do however, hate the Baathist thugs who ruled them before the liberation — 74 percent don't want to let bygones be bygone. They want to see Saddam's henchmen punished. Of course, not all the news is good: Five out of ten Iraqis say democracy is a Western thing and won't work in their country, but people under the age of 30 are more hopeful, and women are too. All things considered, if George W. Bush can beat back the defeatists at home and convince the American people to stay the course, the odds that the Iraqi people will create a relatively free and peaceful state for themselves in a year or two look pretty good.

Data from a poll of the Palestinian people, also taken in August, show why the odds on achieving anything like a comparable success with a Palestinian state are virtually nil. Palestinians, too, are ruled by gangs of despotic, terrorist thugs, but unlike the Iraqis, the average Palestinian doesn't hate his home-grown oppressors. He admires them inordinately, and identifies with them with a sick passion. Asked whether there should be more terrorist attacks, 60 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza said yes; asked whether the Palestinian Authority should arrest Hamas and Islamic Jihad terrorists, 88.8 percent said no. The upshot is that when Howard Dean and his domestic look-alikes join with the roadmap's U.N. and EU sponsors, pressing George W. Bush to quit trying to create a peaceful Iraqi state and to redouble his efforts to create a peaceful Palestinian state in-stead, he can tell them, in all honesty, that America cannot create peaceful states. We can only offer people the chance to do that for themselves. We made that offer to the Iraqi people and to the Palestinian people. The Iraqi people accepted our offer, and we won't desert them now. The Palestinian people rejected it, over and over again, for ten long, bloody years, and now, it's time to take that offer off the table.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-lerner091703.asp

[old-reb]

abu afak,

I agree with what I read on this thread. It is refreshing to be able to read the truth and know that I am not the only one in the world who sees it.

old reb

[abu afak]

Originally posted by old-reb
abu afak,

I agree with what I read on this thread. It is refreshing to be able to read the truth and know that I am not the only one in the world who sees it.

old reb

Thanks Reb.

Everyone seems pre-occupied with Arafat.
It probably matters little.

Conventional wisdom is that Israel has already tried a 'Military solution' and it hasn't worked.. when in fact, a true Military solution hasn't been tried, Only a half-@ss one, leaving a problem as Bush Sr did in 1991.

The PA and Arafat et al need to be replaced like the Baath Party and Saddam were.