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L@mplighterM
09-17-2003, 10:42 PM
Ewen MacAskill and Ian Traynor in Vienna
Thursday September 18, 2003
The Guardian

Saudi Arabia, in response to the current upheaval in the Middle East, has embarked on a strategic review that includes acquiring nuclear weapons, the Guardian has learned.
This new threat of proliferation in one of the most dangerous regions of the world comes on top of a crisis over Iran's alleged nuclear programme.

A strategy paper being considered at the highest levels in Riyadh sets out three options:

· To acquire a nuclear capability as a deterrent;

· To maintain or enter into an alliance with an existing nuclear power that would offer protection;

· To try to reach a regional agreement on having a nuclear-free Middle East.

Until now, the assumption in Washington was that Saudi Arabia was content to remain under the US nuclear umbrella. But the relationship between Saudi Arabia and the US has steadily worsened since the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington: 15 of the 19 attackers were Saudi.

It is not known whether Saudi Arabia has taken a decision on any of the three options. But the fact that it is prepared to contemplate the nuclear option is a worrying development.

United Nations officials and nuclear arms analysts said the Saudi review reflected profound insecurities generated by the volatility in the Middle East, Riyadh's estrangement with Washington and the weakening of its reliance on the US nuclear umbrella.

They pointed to the Saudi worries about an Iranian prog-ramme and to the absence of any international pressure on Israel, which has an estimated 200 nuclear devices.

"Our antennae are up," said a senior UN official watching worldwide nuclear proliferation efforts. "The international community can rest assured we do keep track of such events if they go beyond talk."

Saudi Arabia does not regard Iran, a past adversary with which Riyadh has restored relations, as a direct threat. But it is unnerved by the possibility of Iran and Israel having nuclear weapons.

Riyadh is also worried about a string of apparent leaks in American papers from the US administration critical of Saudi Arabia.

David Albright, director of the Institute for Science and International Security, a Washington thinktank, said he doubted whether the Saudis would try to build a nuclear bomb, preferring instead to try to buy a nuclear warhead. They would be the first of the world's eight or nine nuclear powers to have bought rather than built the bomb.

"There has always been worries that the Saudis would go down this path if provoked," said Mr Albright. "There is growing US hostility which could lead to the removal of the US umbrella and will the Saudis be intimidated by Iran? They've got to be nervous."

UN officials said there have been rumours going back 20 years that the Saudis wanted to pay Pakistan to do the research and development on nuclear weapons.

In 1988, Saudi bought from China intermediate-range missiles capable of reaching any part of the Middle East with a nuclear warhead.

Four years ago, Saudi Arabia sent a defence team to Pakistan to tour its secret nuclear facilities and to be briefed by Abdul Qader Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb.

A UN official said: "There's obviously a lot of restlessness in the Middle East. Regional insecurity tends to produce a quest for a nuclear umbrella. The Saudis have the money and could provide it to Pakistan."

Mr Albright said the Saudis would face a long haul if they were determined to acquire nuclear weapons. He doubted whether anyone would sell.

Arab countries yesterday urged the International Atomic Energy Authority, the UN nuclear watchdog, to get tough with Israel to let inspectors assess its nuclear programme in line with similar pressure on Iran.

Oman's ambassador to the IAEA, Salim al-Riyami, speaking on behalf of the Arab League, which represents Arab states, said it was time to get tough with Israel. "I think it's time to deal with this issue more substantively than before," he said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1044380,00.html



I guess Saudi Arabia isn’t included in the axis of evil, so perhaps Bush would be willing to hand over a few nukes to his Saudi buddies. What are a few nuclear bombs among friends?

RichardP
09-18-2003, 06:45 AM
Originally posted by L@mplighterM
Ewen MacAskill and Ian Traynor in Vienna
Thursday September 18, 2003
The Guardian

Saudi Arabia, in response to the current upheaval in the Middle East, has embarked on a strategic review that includes acquiring nuclear weapons, the Guardian has learned.
This new threat of proliferation in one of the most dangerous regions of the world comes on top of a crisis over Iran's alleged nuclear programme.

A strategy paper being considered at the highest levels in Riyadh sets out three options:

· To acquire a nuclear capability as a deterrent;

· To maintain or enter into an alliance with an existing nuclear power that would offer protection;

· To try to reach a regional agreement on having a nuclear-free Middle East.

Until now, the assumption in Washington was that Saudi Arabia was content to remain under the US nuclear umbrella. But the relationship between Saudi Arabia and the US has steadily worsened since the September 11 attacks on New York and Washington: 15 of the 19 attackers were Saudi.

It is not known whether Saudi Arabia has taken a decision on any of the three options. But the fact that it is prepared to contemplate the nuclear option is a worrying development.

United Nations officials and nuclear arms analysts said the Saudi review reflected profound insecurities generated by the volatility in the Middle East, Riyadh's estrangement with Washington and the weakening of its reliance on the US nuclear umbrella.

They pointed to the Saudi worries about an Iranian prog-ramme and to the absence of any international pressure on Israel, which has an estimated 200 nuclear devices.

"Our antennae are up," said a senior UN official watching worldwide nuclear proliferation efforts. "The international community can rest assured we do keep track of such events if they go beyond talk."

Saudi Arabia does not regard Iran, a past adversary with which Riyadh has restored relations, as a direct threat. But it is unnerved by the possibility of Iran and Israel having nuclear weapons.

Riyadh is also worried about a string of apparent leaks in American papers from the US administration critical of Saudi Arabia.

David Albright, director of the Institute for Science and International Security, a Washington thinktank, said he doubted whether the Saudis would try to build a nuclear bomb, preferring instead to try to buy a nuclear warhead. They would be the first of the world's eight or nine nuclear powers to have bought rather than built the bomb.

"There has always been worries that the Saudis would go down this path if provoked," said Mr Albright. "There is growing US hostility which could lead to the removal of the US umbrella and will the Saudis be intimidated by Iran? They've got to be nervous."

UN officials said there have been rumours going back 20 years that the Saudis wanted to pay Pakistan to do the research and development on nuclear weapons.

In 1988, Saudi bought from China intermediate-range missiles capable of reaching any part of the Middle East with a nuclear warhead.

Four years ago, Saudi Arabia sent a defence team to Pakistan to tour its secret nuclear facilities and to be briefed by Abdul Qader Khan, the father of Pakistan's nuclear bomb.

A UN official said: "There's obviously a lot of restlessness in the Middle East. Regional insecurity tends to produce a quest for a nuclear umbrella. The Saudis have the money and could provide it to Pakistan."

Mr Albright said the Saudis would face a long haul if they were determined to acquire nuclear weapons. He doubted whether anyone would sell.

Arab countries yesterday urged the International Atomic Energy Authority, the UN nuclear watchdog, to get tough with Israel to let inspectors assess its nuclear programme in line with similar pressure on Iran.

Oman's ambassador to the IAEA, Salim al-Riyami, speaking on behalf of the Arab League, which represents Arab states, said it was time to get tough with Israel. "I think it's time to deal with this issue more substantively than before," he said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1044380,00.html



I guess Saudi Arabia isn’t included in the axis of evil, so perhaps Bush would be willing to hand over a few nukes to his Saudi buddies. What are a few nuclear bombs among friends?
Bush and his bosom buddies Saudi Arabia have had a weapons trade off that is clear-cut; but it is not just the Bush Administration that is tarnished. Bush’s predecessors are also guilty of pandering to the Saudi’s penchant for military hardware.
Now that they feel the urge to become a nuclear power, the bidding will begin. However, I believe there are other states whose bidding will be of a serious nature; China, Pakistan, Russia, and North Korea: needless to say France will be in their bartering to get a foothold and more.
I don’t believe Bush is ‘stupid’ enough to peddle nuclear capability to the Saudis… but I sure as hell won’t put a wager on it! :p

L@mplighterM
09-18-2003, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by RichardP
Bush and his bosom buddies Saudi Arabia have had a weapons trade off that is clear-cut; but it is not just the Bush Administration that is tarnished. Bush’s predecessors are also guilty of pandering to the Saudi’s penchant for military hardware.
Now that they feel the urge to become a nuclear power, the bidding will begin. However, I believe there are other states whose bidding will be of a serious nature; China, Pakistan, Russia, and North Korea: needless to say France will be in their bartering to get a foothold and more.
I don’t believe Bush is ‘stupid’ enough to peddle nuclear capability to the Saudis… but I sure as hell won’t put a wager on it! :p

I was half kidding when I suggested that Bush would hand over a couple of nuclear warheads to the Saudis to ease their fear of Israel.

Israel has shown that it’s responsible in handling its estimated 200 +/- nuclear devises.

It’s a good thing that they didn’t/haven’t put me in charge of the nuclear arsenal because the estimate would be much lower. Let me put it this way the US lead coalition would have had an easier time invading Baghdad in their radioactive protective suits and the Saudi oil would glow in the dark.


:p

RichardP
09-18-2003, 08:38 AM
Originally posted by L@mplighterM
I was half kidding when I suggested that Bush would hand over a couple of nuclear warheads to the Saudis to ease their fear of Israel.

Israel has shown that it’s responsible in handling its estimated 200 +/- nuclear devises.

It’s a good thing that they didn’t/haven’t put me in charge of the nuclear arsenal because the estimate would be much lower. Let me put it this way the US lead coalition would have had an easier time invading Baghdad in their radioactive protective suits and the Saudi oil would glow in the dark.


:p
I knew you were half kidding, the same thought had crossed my mind, trust me, L@mplighterM... It would be great if an alternative fuel would be developed, perhaps this would wipe the smarminess off the Saudis' faces! Unfortunately our economy his owned and held hostage by the cartels. I would like nothing more than to see them have to trade in their Mercedes, RR’s etc. for a camel or three! :D

Barak
09-18-2003, 01:25 PM
Well, why not drop - err give them some :D

They want protection or an allience, we've got enough nukes to protect them, so if they would be willing to sign a allience with us, we would be more than happy to do so...