There is only one solution

[Flame]

The only solution is truth and the truth needs to come out. (((( as if this would or could happen)))

A representitive of Israel needs to have CNN all to himself for 24 hours , to present all the evidence of why this entire infantia is a sham.

Israle needs to reveal how the arab nations themselves have slaughtered and expelled the "palestinians".

Israel needs a chart to show how many thousands of terrror attacks have been made over the past 50 years.

A chart of who is funding who in the arab world.

A list of the various regimes that are an occupying force in other arab nations... (lebanon by syria for one).

Basically, Israel needs the oppertunity to present her case globally, uninturrupted, to show the entire world what hyprocrites the arab world is foreven daring to criticize Isreal for crimes that they are guilty of by the boat loads.

Anyone care to add to the list... please do.... and any Jew here who wants the entire list of the Knesset' members e-mail address... I will send it to you.... I guess you know how to do that.

I just might send the list we come up with to all the members. Israel needs to present her case to the world and the world had to for once and for all stop this hate campaign.

Global Jew hate is the one and only reason for all the troubles in the M.E..... and it is as simple as that.

[bakuda]

well said

[muslim4israel2]

Yeah I can see CNN stoping all programs just for you. :p

God CNN have some incredibly attractive staff. Who's the Indian women, Zita Verdi or something. :D

[takeo]

24 hours with only Israeli propaganda?
That's a new definition of free speech and good equilibrated journalism.
what's the problem, maybe the Israeli arguments aren't as convincing as the arguments of the Palestinians?

[JustPat]

Originally posted by Flame
The only solution is truth and the truth needs to come out. (((( as if this would or could happen)))

A representitive of Israel needs to have CNN all to himself for 24 hours , to present all the evidence of why this entire infantia is a sham.

Flame:

Your proposition is noble, but alas just a pipe dream. CNN has slanted the story to accentuate the "poor Paletinians" and to paint Israelis as heartless bullies. They feign journalism but practice editorialization. They are part of the problem.
Now FoxNews ... will they really be fair and balanced?

First, Israel needs a friend in George Bush. Only with him as a willing spokesman for truth could they get their story out with any credibility.

Second, it would be nice to see a strong Arab leader come to Israel's side. (Now I dream. :rolleyes: )

I think Israel's only hope is the G-d of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob! He is well able to bring the justice of her cause to a successful end.

May all the enemies of Isreal be as Haman who found his wicked plan rained down upon his own head.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by JustPat
I think Israel's only hope is the G-d of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob! He is well able to bring the justice of her cause to a successful end.

Ammen! Ken Yehi Ratzon! If only we, myself included, would fully wake up to this. I am afraid, however, it will be a rude awakening.

[muslim4israel2]

Great discussion guys, but who's that chick?

[NewsGuy]

Originally posted by takeo
24 hours with only Israeli propaganda?
That's a new definition of free speech and good equilibrated journalism.
Unfortunately, what I see is the usual camera shot of the crying Palestinian grandma who is very upset that her murderous terrorist son has been arrested by Israel, and then a closeup of the tearful Palestinian little girl also very upset that her family is forced to stay at home for a few days so they will not get hurt from their own terrorists' gunfire aimed at the IDF.

And then Arafat, who has plenty of electricity at his compound room, turns out the lights and burns a candle, while trying to look very sad and victimized and does his rehearsed comedy bit for the cameras.

I very rarely see the TV cameras interviewing the hundreds of Israeli children who lost arms and legs and eyes as a result of deliberate Palestinian terrorism.

This is because the Arab world and its European colonies have a big appetite for one-sided pro-terrorist TV coverage. Makes for excellent dinnertime entertainment in good old Europe.

"Pass the shtrudel, Hans, this is some great TV."

[takeo]

actually we see planty of images of Israeli children and civilians getting terribly mutilated by Palestinian bombs. The only difference with Israeli television is that we ALSO get to see the pictures of innocent Palestinians getting hit by Israeli grenades, their home getting bulldozered, ambulances getting blocked, journalists getting shot at by Israeli soldiers and we also see the fight of Palestinians with common firearms fighting against tanks destroying their homes and cities.
This images indeed provoke natural sympathy for the victims, both Israeli and Palestinian victims, and that's how it should be.
The problem is that there are more Palestinian victims than Israeli victims and that the palestinian victims are victimised by a deliberate government-policy while the Israeli victims are victims of some obscure extremist groups.
Also those extremist colonisers who burn European flags and call on television for "the final solution" for the Palestinians don't really improove the image and sympathy of Israel.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by takeo
[B]actually we see planty of images of Israeli children and civilians getting terribly mutilated by Palestinian bombs. The only difference with Israeli television is that we ALSO get to see the pictures of innocent Palestinians getting hit by Israeli grenades, their home getting bulldozered, ambulances getting blocked, journalists getting shot at by Israeli soldiers and we also see the fight of Palestinians with common firearms fighting against tanks destroying their homes and cities.

So do we.


This images indeed provoke natural sympathy for the victims, both Israeli and Palestinian victims, and that's how it should be.

You'll get no sympathy from me. They got what they asked for.


The problem is that there are more Palestinian victims than Israeli victims and that the palestinian victims are victimised by a deliberate government-policy while the Israeli victims are victims of some obscure extremist groups.

Which include the Palestinian authority (Arafat, Marguti, Rajoub and the other henchmen), Hamas, Islamic Jihad (gee, even the name is so sweet). That doesn't leave much but, yes, these extremists have overstayed their visit here. Gotta go.


Also those extremist colonisers who burn European flags and call on television for "the final solution" for the Palestinians don't really improove the image and sympathy of Israel.

I understand that Arab and Moslem buring of Israeli and American flags worldwide is the single biggest contribution to global warming. :p :cool:

[takeo]

really, you get to see the pictures of palestinian suffering? I doubt it.

"You'll get no sympathy from me. They got what they asked for. "

OK, now you are thinking as a hamas- or Jihad-sympathiser who sees the bloodshet in an israeli bus. "they got what they asked for" Congratulations.

THE PA or related organisations friendly to Arafat didn't target innocent civilians, only military targets.

[Oh Jerusalem]

Originally posted by takeo
really, you get to see the pictures of palestinian suffering? I doubt it.

Sorry to disappoint you. We live in a very open society. All of the sites showing photos are not news to us here. We get CNN and BBC and Arab stations galore. Watched Israeli television lately, or ever,for that matter?


"You'll get no sympathy from me. They got what they asked for. "

OK, now you are thinking as a hamas- or Jihad-sympathiser who sees the bloodshet in an israeli bus. "they got what they asked for" Congratulations.

Shoe on the wrong foot again. Cart before the horse, etc.

If Israel offers peace and since Oslo, Arafat offers terror and bloodshed, Israel will fianlly respond to the max.


THE PA or related organisations friendly to Arafat didn't target innocent civilians, only military targets.

Yes, like the civilian buses one after another in 1994 and 1995 and the hundreds of death in drive by shootings of civilian cars, all carrying men, women and children to work, school, home. This has been going on non-stop since Israel withdrew from areas A and B.

Land for peace - NOT!

Keep it up, laughing boy!

[ibrodsky]

Another massacre of Jews today...

This, not a "Palestinian state," is the real goal of Arafat's terrorist regime. Of course Arafat rejected Barak's offer, because it did not include the right to implant one million future martyrs inside Israel.

The only solution is to inflict a devastating military defeat on the Palestinians. I also believe, and I have heard all of the arguments to the contrary, that Israel should eliminate Arafat. The Arabs are prisoners of history; they replay the same videotape over and over. Historically, Arabs have lost their will to fight when their strong man disappears.

Israel is holding more than 4,000 Palestinian prisoners. Perhaps it is time to adopt an Arab tactic and tie their fate to the cessation of terrorist attacks...

[JustPat]

Originally posted by takeo
The problem is that there are more Palestinian victims than Israeli victims and that the palestinian victims are victimised by a deliberate government-policy while the Israeli victims are victims of some obscure extremist groups.
Also those extremist colonisers who burn European flags and call on television for "the final solution" for the Palestinians don't really improove the image and sympathy of Israel.

takeo:

I find it hard to sympathize with those who know that their actions carry the promise of a 10:1 payback. Israel has never minced words on this.

Today the Palestinians have invited the death of at least 60 Palestinians as Arafat thums his nose at Sec. Powell. Even I have enough sense not to poke a sleeping mastiff.

In an area where covenant and one's oath still mean something, Arafat and his compatriots have invited the enforcement terms of the peace agreements they have signed at his hand.

Like Haman, may all those who plot the destruction of Israel have their plan rained down upon thier own heads.

[JustPat]

Originally posted by takeo
THE PA or related organisations friendly to Arafat didn't target innocent civilians, only military targets.

What are you smoking?!

Bombing of night clubs, bus stops, markets, etc. and the PA and friends haven't targeted civilians. Get real.

[JustPat]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
Another massacre of Jews today...

This, not a "Palestinian state," is the real goal of Arafat's terrorist regime. Of course Arafat rejected Barak's offer, because it did not include the right to implant one million future martyrs inside Israel.

The only solution is to inflict a devastating military defeat on the Palestinians. I also believe, and I have heard all of the arguments to the contrary, that Israel should eliminate Arafat. The Arabs are prisoners of history; they replay the same videotape over and over. Historically, Arabs have lost their will to fight when their strong man disappears.

Israel is holding more than 4,000 Palestinian prisoners. Perhaps it is time to adopt an Arab tactic and tie their fate to the cessation of terrorist attacks...

Well said!

[ibrodsky]

The PA is a terrorist group and its leaders should be -- must be -- brought to justice.

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[ibrodsky]

Thanks, JustPat.

I am really upset today -- the terrorist attack is terrible, but the White House was, reportedly, quick to announce that it will not be dissuaded by this attack from seeking a "peace agreement" with the terrorist PA, which only compounds the tragedy.

Sadly, I cannot help but think that when Pres. Bush gave his stirring speech about one week after the WTC/Pentagon attacks, he was just reading a teleprompter.

If only the speechwriter were President...

[JustPat]

Originally posted by ibrodsky
I am really upset today -- the terrorist attack is terrible, but the White House was, reportedly, quick to announce that it will not be dissuaded by this attack from seeking a "peace agreement" with the terrorist PA, which only compounds the tragedy.

Sadly, I cannot help but think that when Pres. Bush gave his stirring speech about one week after the WTC/Pentagon attacks, he was just reading a teleprompter.

ibrodsky,

My heart goes out to those who suffer such loss at the hands of the heartless.

President Bush's response is no surprise. Politics solves nothing, it only barters a different shain of events. The Scriptures tell us that Lot sat int he gates with the Elders of Sodom. Tortured in his heart, his political power, in the end, did not change the outcome. Perhaps we would have seen a different outcome if a katusha rocket had been fired at his entourage while touring the front.

Let's face it, America has no concept of fidelity to its allies. All we do is based on the benefit we will receive. Perhaps Israel would find us different if they could become our chief source of oil.

I pray for the peace of Jerusalem. May she soon be found to be the city where peace is a permanent resident.

[muslim4israel2]

Terrible attack on innocent folk. Perhaps now both sides will give up there genocidal plans and meet for talks.

Sharon-Arafat must meet, the human cost is unbearable.

[Shuki]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Terrible attack on innocent folk. Perhaps now both sides will give up there genocidal plans and meet for talks.

Sharon-Arafat must meet, the human cost is unbearable.

If I ever believed Arafat was interested in Peace I don't now. He is still the lying scumbag murderer he always was.

[JustPat]

Originally posted by muslim4israel2
Sharon-Arafat must meet, the human cost is unbearable.

After this blatant affront to any hope for peace, how could anyone take Arafat seriously? He states, "I know nothing of this bomb." Is he Sgt. Shultz? His own people do his bidding while he maintains "plausible deniability." If he is truly the leader of the Palestinians, now is the time to show it.

Colin Powell should not legitimize this liar by meeting with him.

[ibrodsky]

Arafat is the Father of Modern Terrorism. He practically invented airplane hijacking for political purposes. He has planned and supervised attacks against innocent civilians. Note that Palestinian terrorists target the most defenseless, such as elderly people attending a Passover Seder, 15-year old girls at a disco, and (in years past) a wheelchair-bound American on a cruise.

Yes, Sharon should meet with Arafat. And the meeting should end with Arafat lying, motionless, in a pool of his own blood.

"The only difference between Yasser Arafat and Osama bin Laden is that we know where Arafat is." -- B. Netanyahu

[General X]

Send me the list- sevsixers3@hotmail.com

[takeo]

Can anyone give me one concrete example of a recent terrorist action against civilians that was conducted by a group controlled by Arafat? (ps: nor Hamas, Jihad or even Al-aqsa are controlled or friends of Arafat).

i know enough examples of terrorist actions conducted by the israeli government.

And killing Arafat will only contribute to the isolation of the Israeli government that is planning to commit genocide against the palestinian people. The Palestinians will never talk to Israel again when it kills Arafat, nor will the EU, nor will the US. Killing Arafat will create a new palestinian martyr of unknown dimentions and will push israel forever in the role of nazi-state determined to destroy another people standing in its way.
And yes the people etnically cleansed from israel (not allowing refugees back, whatever reason they fled, is in contradiction to the Geneva-conventions and condaned by un-resolution) will come back sooner or later, not to destroy israel but to form a part of it, israel will have to accept, if they want to survive as a normal country at least and not as a country constantly at war with its neighbours.

[L@mplighterM]

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Originally posted by takeo
The problem is that there are more Palestinian victims than Israeli victims and that the palestinian victims are victimised by a deliberate government-policy while the Israeli victims are victims of some obscure extremist groups.
Also those extremist colonisers who burn European flags and call on television for "the final solution" for the Palestinians don't really improove the image and sympathy of Israel.

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So what if there's more Palestinian victims?


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Can anyone give me one concrete example of a recent terrorist action against civilians that was conducted by a group controlled by Arafat?

Actually there?s documentation that Arafat controls terrorists and there?s documentation that has his signature on it authorizing payment to terrorists. Further there?s invoices that shows the detailed costs for material to kill Jews.


L@mp missed the recent takeo. So you do admit that he was a terrorist a month or at one point. In the other thread you wrote Arafat isn't a war-criminal because he never targetted innocent civilians.

So is he a terrorist today and not one tomorrow? So was he a terrorist a week ago but not one a year ago?

[L@mplighterM]

I pray for the peace of Jerusalem. May she soon be found to be the city where peace is a permanent resident.

I hope your prayers are answered.

[takeo]

Actually there?s documentation that Arafat controls terrorists and there?s documentation that has his signature on it authorizing payment to terrorists. Further there?s invoices that shows the detailed costs for material to kill Jews.

OK, SHOW ME, some facts please!
and by the way i'm still waiting where in the Qoran you read that women should wear bourka's :rolleyes:

one day there will be peace in the eternal city, the day that the left wins the elections and accept to give in to international demands and instalation of foreign troops to controll Jerusalem that will from that moment consist of two parts.

[L@mplighterM]

OK, SHOW ME, some facts please!
and by the way i'm still waiting where in the Qoran you read that women should wear bourka's

What?s a fact to me most likely wouldn?t be a fact to Muslims that hates Jews. I?ve seen the documents on TV and one of them posted on the web. They are there for the world to see and if you think that it?s a conspiracy or something of the sort I?ll tell you there?s too many people involved.

I?ve made it quite clear that the Koran stipulates that women wear cloth wrapped around their bodies with a slit for the eyes. For a smart guy like u it shouldn?t be too difficult to reference it. After all if I can do it in a few minutes you should be able to do it in less.