Islam in France

[old-reb]

DOWN THE STREET from Kamel Hamza's offices in La Courneuve is the Union of French Islamic Organizations (UOIF). This is the largest umbrella organization of French Muslims, and it is skewed to the far, far right of national opinion. (At its convention in Le Bourget in March, the UOIF drew 100,000 people to attend presentations on such topics as "Liberated Women, De-Natured Women.") The two dominant forces within the UOIF are Saudi Arabian foundations, which use generous subsidies to steer Muslim organizations towards profession of Wahhabi extremism, and the francophone branch of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded by the Egyptian Hassan al-Banna. A hard-line fraternity whose theories of Islam are at the root of al Qaeda, the Muslim Brotherhood has been increasingly active in France since the late 1980s. The European Muslim Brothers are under the intellectual leadership of Tariq Ramadan, the Swiss-born grandson of al-Banna himself. Now a university professor in Geneva, Ramadan is a sort of French-Muslim Noam Chomsky, a cheery, media-hungry radical, much in demand on campuses.

Most French Muslim institutions are to the right of national Muslim opinion. Practically all of France's 1,200 mosques are funded by foreign governments. Of the country's 230 major imams, none is French. In fact, imams are often chosen by foreign governments for loyalty to their ideological priorities. These priorities are decidedly not those of France. One imam in Roubaix met Lille mayor Martine Aubry on the edge of the Muslim-majority neighborhood where he preaches, declaring it Islamic territory into which Mme. Aubry--the most important minister of labor in modern French history, the early favorite to win France's presidential elections in 2007, and the daughter of former prime minister Jacques Delors--had no authority to venture. Mohamed Latreche, a fiery Algerian-born Strasbourg preacher trained by aides to Hafez al-Assad in Syria, has recently started a political party called the French Muslims' party (PMF). His preachments are marked by vilification of Jews and little else. In May, he held a rally in Strasbourg with Hamas and Hezbollah representatives, at which flyers were handed out calling for boycotts of Israeli, American, and British products. Those with Jewish owners were marked with the Nazi yellow star and the German word Jude. Religiously sectarian parties are banned under the French constitution. So is anti-Semitic hate speech (and Latreche's supporters do not even go to the usual trouble of replacing, pro forma, the word "Jew" with the word "Israeli"). But the French authorities have not chosen to take action against the PMF on either score--reportedly fearing that it would be a "provocation" to the group's sympathizers.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/435tebxi.asp

[Frans_1]

For democratic civilisation, all the warning signs and signals are there and flashing, all the warnings have been given and gone unheeded. At what point in history will the weaker, once again, prevail due to the moral cowardice of the stronger ?

[old-reb]

Originally posted by Frans_1
For democratic civilisation, all the warning signs and signals are there and flashing, all the warnings have been given and gone unheeded. At what point in history will the weaker, once again, prevail due to the moral cowardice of the stronger ?

Well said Frans,
Since 9/11, I learn new things about Islam everyday and everyday it looks worse. They are fundalmentally flawed in that they are locked into constant conquest by hatred and killing and lies to cover up the former.
I don't believe every Muslim is wrong but every Muslim is taught to have a criminal mind. However, If he has the moral fiber and his local world allows it then can resist racial hatred.

I am beginning to believe that Israel Muslims are taught better than French Muslims.

Are you from Hong Kong ?

old reb

[medkorp]

Hi,

Excuse me, but i'm an arab and i live in france, so i can told you what happen here in france !!!

If you think that in france muslim can do what they want, you are totaly wrong.

In France you don't see muslim cleric talking in the street as in England, you don't see muslim cleric make their prayer in park, or great place, in fact you don't see any muslim cleric.

For now, the only problem is the islamic veil !!!

But if you want to see angry muslim, please check England !!!

Last thing, stop thinking that every muslim has a criminal mind, it's stupid !! Not every american eat Mc Donald and drink Coca cola every day !!!

Thanks

Medkorp


Originally posted by old-reb
Well said Frans,
Since 9/11, I learn new things about Islam everyday and everyday it looks worse. They are fundalmentally flawed in that they are locked into constant conquest by hatred and killing and lies to cover up the former.
I don't believe every Muslim is wrong but every Muslim is taught to have a criminal mind. However, If he has the moral fiber and his local world allows it then can resist racial hatred.

I am beginning to believe that Israel Muslims are taught better than French Muslims.

Are you from Hong Kong ?

old reb

[Frans_1]

In France you don't see muslim cleric talking in the street as in England, you don't see muslim cleric make their prayer in park, or great place, in fact you don't see any muslim cleric.

[old-reb]

Originally posted by medkorp
Hi,

Excuse me, but i'm an arab and i live in france, so i can told you what happen here in france !!!

If you think that in france muslim can do what they want, you are totaly wrong.

In France you don't see muslim cleric talking in the street as in England, you don't see muslim cleric make their prayer in park, or great place, in fact you don't see any muslim cleric.

For now, the only problem is the islamic veil !!!

But if you want to see angry muslim, please check England !!!

Last thing, stop thinking that every muslim has a criminal mind, it's stupid !! Not every american eat Mc Donald and drink Coca cola every day !!!

Thanks

Medkorp

Hello Medkorp,

I was a little off to say every Muslim has a criminal mind. I was thinking generally about Islamic teaching of racism, hatred for Jews and the general thing that no Christians or Jews have near the freedom in Islamic countries that Islamics have in our country.

The Muslims demand their rights in our countries to the point that we loose our own freedom.

They not only demand their right to racism but they demand a piece of France where no French law can be observed.

If they are not racist then they should let us build Churches in Saudia Arabia.

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Most French Muslim institutions are to the right of national Muslim opinion. Practically all of France's 1,200 mosques are funded by foreign governments. Of the country's 230 major imams, none is French. In fact, imams are often chosen by foreign governments for loyalty to their ideological priorities. These priorities are decidedly not those of France. One imam in Roubaix met Lille mayor Martine Aubry on the edge of the Muslim-majority neighborhood where he preaches, declaring it Islamic territory into which Mme. Aubry--the most important minister of labor in modern French history, the early favorite to win France's presidential elections in 2007, and the daughter of former prime minister Jacques Delors--had no authority to venture.

[CanDo]

Originally posted by old-reb
Practically all of France's 1,200 mosques are funded by foreign governments. Of the country's 230 major imams, none is French. In fact, imams are often chosen by foreign governments for loyalty to their ideological priorities. These priorities are decidedly not those of France. One imam in Roubaix met Lille mayor Martine Aubry on the edge of the Muslim-majority neighborhood where he preaches, declaring it Islamic territory into which Mme. Aubry--the most important minister of labor in modern French history, the early favorite to win France's presidential elections in 2007, and the daughter of former prime minister Jacques Delors--had no authority to venture.

Wonder when the French Muslims are going to insist on their own state within France, and demand that France stop occupying Muslim land in France? Will the French Muslims form their own French Hamas terrorist group?

Is there going to be a need for a "Road Map to Peace" between the French and the Muslims? At that time, will the world also demand that the French not be allowed to defend themselves against the Muslim terrorists within France?

[minusthejihad]

Cando, welcome to IF.

As if the French would even put up a fight. They'd capitulate in 5 minutes.

Hehe! You made me laugh!

[CanDo]

Originally posted by minusthejihad
Cando, welcome to IF.

Thanks. I've been trying to join for a couple of months. Finally got in. :)

As if the French would even put up a fight. They'd capitulate in 5 minutes.

That's what I am afraid of. I am concerned about the safety of Jewish families in France, as well as other nations of Europe.

Hehe! You made me laugh!

My pleasure. :D

[merkava16]

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